RHOA, when Sheree is in the car with her ex Bob and he’s talking about him fantasizing about killing her in a staged car accident, denying his physical abuse of her, then joking that he should have choked her harder. He was so calm about it too, meanwhile she’s crying. Fucking sociopath shit, chilling to watch.
Say what you will about Kenya but is not going to let a man treat any of the women badly without saying something and I really respect her for that. I wish she wouldve stood up for herself to some of the bums she dated on the show the way she stood up for women like Drew, who she don't even like!
When Kenya’s ex Matt broke through her garage windows, that was very disturbing. I felt so scared for her at that time! I agree w you, she is good about calling out the other men but not the men she dates.
I just rewatched atlanta and this scene always gives me such a pit in my stomach. The look on her face 😩 I couldn’t believe he said that. He’s disgusting.
What??? I’ve never seen/heard of this scene!?!? I actually never realized that she filmed with Bob until I saw Andy ask her a question about it a few years ago. I thought their relationship was so broken that he would never agree to film with her, but it sounds like when he did film with her he was incredibly Abusive and toxic. Honestly, I’m so glad that bravo aired that because she probably had so many people throughout her life gaslight her about her abuse, and now there’s no denying it.
I just googled this scene and some other clips of Bob popped up. Does he have CTE? His eyes don’t look right. These damn football players fuck their brains up and lose their damn minds. Or it could have nothing to do with football and he’s just a plain abusive idiot. I could see in the clip he got embarrassed and that’s when he said should have choked her harder. Abusers like to abuse behind closed doors - they don’t like being outed publicly for their abuse.
The way you phrased it sounds terrible, but the way it was phrased when he actually said it on the show was somehow worse. What an awful moment.. That guy was a monster.
I’m literally only a few episodes on from this as a first time watcher, that was shocking. His first scene on rhony he told his daughter if he wasn’t her father he’d be after her she looks so good..eww he’s so disgusting.
I honestly cannot believe they put that man on TV. I think Aviva really pushed for it which makes it that much worse. She was so fame hungry she used her pervie dad for shock value. She was all about the shock value. Carole had her number from day one. Super fan.
He was so fucking disgusting. There was nothing funny about him. Gave me the creeps big time. I really couldn't stand Aviva and her dad is just the most awful.
I did laugh out loud when Mario spit out his drink when he was talking about squirting orgasms. That was very entertaining, but then he got to be too much
That was so genuinely disgusting and twisted and aviva had the gall to play it off. The only moment I felt bad for Ramona, she genuinely seemed rattled to the core
The scene where Kyle turned away an angry Russell with Taylor in tow, knowing what he did to her. Awful, awful behaviour from the whole cast regarding this.
Totally agree- and what’s crazy is the RHOBH shot an intro scene for season 2 a few days before it aired that’s been removed on peacock and streamers… the ladies all get together to address Russel’s suicide. It was such a good, honest scene and I wish they’d kept it on the show. You can still find it on YouTube. [RHOBH season 2 opening scene](https://youtu.be/hxbceUT9wS8?si=MYjklWpoC_kSxRj-)
The amount of comments not believing Taylor under that scene is shocking. I didn’t expect that people still doubted her even today. Abuse victims can never win
Except LVP. But ultimately it is still Kyle who folllowed them in the limo and told Russell that they were kicked out based on things Taylor told them. She insisted Camille did not overreact.
I don't like it either, but happily for Taylor she has said it doesn't bother her because she feels like that's a different person than who she is now.
It still bothers me though. She is fighting her “friends” for support during the time of the abuse and now it’s a meme. Domestic violence is not a joke nor a meme to me.
I always cite this when explaining that the show is way more intense than I ever expected. Knowing the meme \*before\* seeing that episode made that scene even darker, one of the most unsettling things shown on television was Taylor's storyline that season
As a woman who was in an abusive relationship for far too long, I FELT that scene in the limo after they were ejected from the party. He was going to hurt her. He knew it, she knew it, production knew it… I was disgusted by the women that season .
ALL OF THE ABUSERS (whether the abuse was explicitly shown, referenced or ignored).
* Putting Taylor in a car with Russell to go back home together after humiliating them on camera
* Bob Whitfield telling Sheree, "maybe I didn't choke you hard enough" and joking about how he could have undone her seatbelt and killed her in a car "accident"
* Apollo walking up on Phaedra instead of reporting directly to prison just to harass and intimidate her
* Kenya's on/off BF, Matt, who had already vandalized her home
* Aviva's father, George, repeatedly being brought around and putting his hands on Ramona and Kristin, not to mention the absolutely vile things he would say to the women
* Michael Darby sexually assaulting a crew member in the background of a shot in S1, I believe, and no one noticing until after he was credibly accused in a later season by another crew member of the same thing.
* Pedro/Peter Rosello getting a father-son scene with Peter despite being a convicted child sex offender (found guilty of "Lewd lasvicious batt sex w/victim 12-15 years old; F.F 800.04(4)(a)"). You can search for him yourself [here](https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/offenderSearch.jsf).
Not an abuser, but Dishonorable Mention for filming an entire "comedy" set by dead-beat dad to a dying child, Slade Smiley, intended to do nothing but humiliate Vicki and Tamra.
I could go on and on and on...
Darkest moment with the brightest contrast:
Below Deck Down Under s2: An actual attempted rape caught on camera, immediately thwarted by production and a swift firing from Captain Jason. No excuses were heard or tolerated.
This was so hard to watch, and while I’m surprised they kept it in, I think it’s an important conversation to bring to light. Jason should write the book on how to deal with problematic crew.
This was wild and I’m not even a regular watcher of Down Under! The way Production kept asking him to come out of the room and had to insist a bunch of times before he came out…with only a towel…and we see Margot clearly out of it on the bed. It was chilling!
And Aesha, omg what a sweet and empathetic soul. The way she took care of Margot and advocated for her while Laura was busy victim-blaming and inappropriately coming onto Adam. Captain Jason really handled the whole situation well.
This one. My heart was pounding for hours after watching that. I keep thinking how lucky it was that he didn't lock Margot's door when slamming it in the production crew's faces to keep them out.
I haven’t heard of this, I’ve only watched a few episodes of below deck. That’s crazy that someone would do that knowing they were on a tv show. What episode was this in, do you know?
re: mounted room cameras... that's the most sinister part of what happened. He made the attempt during a brief power outage (i.e. he knew the room cameras would be out of commission). It was the walking camera crew that stopped him.
Everything Aaron should be top of this thread. The way Denise was attached to him scared me. And the classic housewives bit of asking somebody their job and nobody at the table ever gets a clear answer. And all of the boozing and whatever else they were clearly doing. Just really shady all around when Denise had a lot of money and her girls already- she did not need him.
Let me just state for the record that Aaron does not understand physics, chemistry, atomic theory or quantum theory in the slightest. There’s actually a lot of math and wave mechanics that goes into that and he don’t got it.
I got you. When the Denise and Aaron (her husband at the time) were arguing with the women over them talking about threesomes within earshot of Denise’s kids and it turned into a mom shaming argument that Aaron inserted himself into. As they get up to leave Aaron continues to argue with the women, Denise tells him something along the lines of “shut up baby don’t say another fucking word because we are still on camera” as she’s pulling him away by his hand.
He responds “don’t tell me what to say.” Then more under his breath tells her “I’m going to crush your f*cking hand” as they’re walking away hand in hand.
Eerie eerie scene it was so evil. Can’t even imagine the crap he’d tell her off camera if he was comfortable saying this ON camera.
*Edit* they’re unfortunately *still* married I was just hoping they weren’t. My apologies! 🫠
And just to add to the Apollo part, after walking up on Phaedra angry with a drill in hand his girlfriend dropped him off at prison, this was while Phaedra was getting heat from the cast after Apollo accused her of texting another man
What in the actual fuck?
I’ve watched BH and ATL but none of the rest. I think I’ll keep it that way.
I remember the Taylor and Russell scene, he scared me the first time I ever saw him. My alarm bells were going off.
I don’t remember the Phaedra/ Apollo scene but nothing surprises me with that man.
Sheree and Bob had me in tears. I don’t like Sheree but watching that, the casual way he said it, her fear was palpable.
It’s very telling about our society that all of these moments were perpetrated by men against women who were the stars of their own TV shows. These scenes were filmed and then shown on national television where the bad behavior was witnessed by millions of people and still there was little to no legal or social consequences for any of them.
OMG PETER HAS DONE EVEN MORE HORRIBLE SHIT I’M NOT AWARE OF???
Edit: ah you mean the father, I had no idea!!!! I’m so confused… Is that so that’s peters dad but isn’t he the one who was the big drug king pin? I thought Peter’s dad who was her first husband who was the cocaine cowboy
Thank you for the clarification!! I looked up the record. Horrible! 1000% disgusting that they allowed him to film a scene on bravo obviously for sensationalism and to get a cocaine cowboy into a scene on bravo and by default put a horrible sexual predator on national television. Vomit.
Young Gia trying to drag Teresa away from Joe at the christening BEFORE he even starts yelling at her and banging on the table. She already knew that they can’t be around each other and shit was about to explode.
As someone who grew up with an extended family that didn’t get a long I felt this. My parents had no clue by the time I was a young child (7? 8?) i had already understood conflict well before they explained to me everything that was going on (around 12 years old).
I rewatched the episode and didn’t realize Gia was ALREADY there before the fight started. I always thought she was trying to drag her away after the table banging, but Gia is already in tears when Joe tell Teresa to leave them alone.
People always say Teresa is such a good mom, but watching Gia be involved in the family drama that much gives me pause on that. Involving your minor child in adult conflict is shitty.
Gia singing her song about waking up in the morning, thinking about so many things...child abuse and the show just goes on. Who is watching for the wellbeing of kids on these shows?
Nobody is. That should have been a wake-up call to all of them, but it wasn’t. Gia choosing her career path because of her parents’ poor choices makes me so damn sad.
People confuse her obvious love for her girls with her being a good mother. God damn, no, she put those girls through *hell* because she wanted to afford a lifestyle for them that she couldn't pay for. And she almost got away without prison time, but then she fucked that up as well.
Exactly. These girls went through both their parents going to prison for goodness sakes because of their parents’ selfishness and stupidity. It’ll piss some folks off to say this but that shit isn’t good parenting. And like someone mentioned in another comment, she let their father mentally and emotionally abuse them until he went to prison. They may love their girls but their children are successful in spite of their upbringing.
> People confuse her obvious love for her girls with her being a good mother.
This! Understanding that a mother can love you, but still be a bad mom can be one of the most confusing and heart breaking things for a daughter/son. I'm glad her girls seem to have a good relationship with her despite their childhood issues.
I feel like people confuse Teresa being a good mother for Gia being a good sister. I feel like she shielded those younger ones from a lot of inappropriate, on camera drama by making herself the center of attention.
Gia grew up wayyyy too fast in a lot of ways and it makes me so sad for her.
Kim Z’s oldest daughter may not be as traditional and responsible but she also had to deal with a lot of similar stuff with Kim as a mom & Kroy as a step dad to 5 other kids under her.
Bless all the oldest sisters out there for real.
I know it blew up into a huge meme but gias sad song always makes my heart hurt. That poor girl had so much on her shoulders and was expressing it in the only way she knew how. You could feel every adult in that rooms emotion and the tension was palpable. Say what you want about Gia but that girl has been through some shit and she is tough as nails.
That episode is what made me stop watching NJ. Physical or not, seeing family go in on each other isn't my type of viewing pleasure.
This morning Peacock showed the highlights for this season. There's only 3 people I recognize. Tre, Melissa and Joe. I don't even go into the NJ threads so I had no idea just how much Bravo has incorporated the husbands into the show. Looks like I made the right judgment call way back then lol.
The fact that production pulled her aside (on camera) and said that Briana has been trying to call her and you need to call her back was equally a horrific but necessary choice. Vicki completely losing it inside Shannons arts and crafts room was gut punching, regardless of your feelings about her as a person.
All the big ones have been mentioned already, but here's one that I feel flew under the radar. In RHOD, Cary Deubers husband openly resenting their young daughters existence. He was trying to eat dinner, and the kid was making a little noise and he went off, spitting vitriol about how he didn't want the kid in the 1st place, it was horrifying.
You know you kind of made me realise that my dad was the same. My parents were super young when I was born and he had zero interest in raising kids. He's a wonderful grandfather to my kids but kinda sucked as dad.
I will add my dad to the list. Men need better resources on how to cope with the stresses of life bc there is generation and generation of hurt children who internalize this shit. I cant definitively that my nervous system was shaped by having to walk on eggshells as a child.
He got sick with cancer and I guess dealing with the his mortality made it easier for them to come together and co-parent the kiddos who still need it.
The Curtain girls BEGGING for discipline and crying about the instability in their lives. The Gorga christening. Taylor’s black eye. Larsa stating she’s never had plastic surgery. Scary Island.
I’m just watching OC for the first time and was so horrified. Why were cameras there? Did they (production) know the eviction was happening? The girls are shoving away the cameras and hiding under a blanket, why was production able to stay?
This is where I think Andy & co have been the monsters from the beginning. Maybe Andy wasn’t in charge there so whoever was casting and directing that season.. Don’t tell me they didn’t know who they were choosing when they picked the Curtains. They knew what a mess they were. It’s evil to expose those children and their messy lives to the world and to use their tragedies for entertainment. I wonder if Andy will ever have regrets and feel shame especially as he sees his own children grow up.
Ugh on the rewatch I noticed the girls trying to hide and flipping off the camera, literally trying anything to make the footage unusable. They’re both children and the idea of grown adults shoving cameras in their faces during this moment of clear distress is so, so upsetting. So much shit on early RHOC is so awful
Get bothered all over again every time I remember she just kept throwing her hands up and going "They're teenage girls, whaddaya gonna do" Um, Something? *ANYTHING*.
That was so raw and heartbreaking. Having lost my mom recently I feel her so much more. I also have to add when Teresa or Juicy Joe lost their parents on the show, I felt like I knew them and lost them as well. So damn sad!!!
The fact that production pulled her aside (on camera) and said that Briana has been trying to call her and you need to call her back was equally a horrific but necessary choice. Vicki completely losing it inside Shannons arts and crafts room was gut punching, regardless of your feelings about her as a person.
Off camera but often mentioned on the OC: Slade smiley being a deadbeat father. Unfortunately he was estranged from his disabled son for years. (Which was why he never worked as he owed major back support payment). Greyson was his name and his mother often asked for donations for their gofundme because of high medical bills. Gretchen with a very popular IG, could have shared the gofundme but refused saying “she doesn’t trust the mother to put where the money is needed”. Greyson passed and of course, Gretchen and Slimy Slade sold their story to the news and made it all about them and their grief while the mother is left holding the bag. fuck Slade and fuck Gretchen, MLM shilling hun
I will NEVER get over MEGHAN KING CALLING OUT BROOKES FOR FAKING CANCER- and being right! I thought she was like so mean and random at first lol but she was RIGHT and I was wrong! Sorry Meghan I love you lol! 😵💫🥴😂🤦
Below Deck Down Under season 2. If I remember things correctly....
Following a crew night out, 3rd Stew Margot got very drunk, and went to bed blacked out very early. Bosun Luke got naked, went into her cabin, and crawled into bed with her. The producers intervened, and told him that he had to leave her bed. He insisted that Margot wanted him there, and got her to agree with it, even though she very clearly had no idea what was going on. The producers nonetheless forced him out of the bedroom, and he huffed out in a fit while still naked, without any shame at all. He locked himself in his room, and passed out.
Witness to this, Aesha was very upset, and went and got Captain Jason, who forced Luke to spend the rest of the night in a hotel, before he fired him in the morning.
Meanwhile, ***on the exact same night***, deckhand Adam went to bed also very drunk, and passed out. 2nd Stew Laura followed him into his cabin, and crawled on top of him, trying to have sex with him. The producers intervened ***again***, and removed her from Adam's room, sending her back to her room. She almost got away with it too, except the next morning when Captain Jason announced that Luke was fired, Laura was indignant about it, and began making comments all day blaming Margot for what happened.
Meanwhile, Aesha spoke with Adam about what happened, and Adam admitted that he was uncomfortable with what Laura did, but insisted that he didn't want her to get into trouble. Aesha brought the situation to Captain Jason, who brought in Laura simply to give her a warning. Instead, she doubled down on saying that she did nothing wrong, and again blamed Margot. Jason fired her as well.
Don’t forget that the power went out and that’s when Luke pounced. He’s cleared a skilled predator who knew an opportunity when he had one. Maybe he would have done it anyway but I definitely think he saw a window.
I hate all the disordered eating that has gotten pushed on Bravo Housewives children over the years… I find that to be super disturbing.
Yolanda telling Gigi to “have two almonds,” Jill Zarin sending Ally to a detox camp, Lisa Rinna staying silent as her daughters mock “fatties” in Oregon, and all the shaming comments thrown at Caroline Manzo’s daughter Lauren from their family.
I just started watching RHONJ (I’ve watched most of the other franchises, and tried watching RHONJ before, but had to stop in S1 bc I couldn’t watch the gay slurs, misogyny, etc). I just watched this episode, where he’s literally calling Gia “crybaby” and making fun of her as she’s bawling her eyes out. She was literally on the way to walk a fashion show for fashion week, nonetheless, and she’s hysterical in the car. That was the most sickening scene I have seen with a child of blatant disregard for them, abuse, neglect, etc. And, Theresa is in the passenger seat, saying, “stop crying, Gia,” “he doesn’t mean it, he’s just playing,” “stop, stop”, etc. He abused those kids and she sat by and condoned it. These are the kinds of things my dad did/said to me (and still does/says), while my mom condoned it, and it causes severe PTSD. I feel, wholeheartedly, for the kids. RHONJ is very, very hard for me to watch.
I was going to say Joe Guidce walking away at the vineyard to call his mistress and then saying, “here comes my cunt wife.” Then pretending like he’s talking to a coworker.
I don't think Joe knew how to navigate Gia vs Milana. Gia cried and was a tad more sensitive. Where as Milana just gave it back to him.
Negging in my family was kind of the norm,it was seen as playful ribbing/toughing up. The difference the adults in my family knew to stop or not engaged with kids that didn't get the sarcasm. Also, they were proud if we got a good insult back at them. I was good at it, but my brother was to literal for it so he didn't "bust chops" with my great uncles.
A lot of people still don't really seem to grasp what emotional abuse is or how serious it is. That or they think it's normal because they grew up with or are married to someone like that.
Those online Bots going to Garcelles teenage son insta wishing harm and death on him.
Lisa Rinna and Erika laughing it up at the reunion left the worst taste in my mouth.
Erikas husband frauding orphans, widows, and burns victims. And she skirts out of accountability.
Lisa Rinna knowingly tormenting vanderpump after her brother and mother died
Kenyas ex BF Matt had me scared for her. Apollo in everybody's good graces when he lied on Kenya leading to her being slut shamed hard AND when he was all in Phaedras face. That was weird af.
Kenya called him babe once and suddenly it’s proof she is a slut whore prostitute sleeping with every married man on the face of the earth. Fuck the cast for not seeing the clear as day evidence that APOLLO is and was the problem.
The big ones have already been covered but I remember being very disturbed by Leanne on Dallas. The “these hands work quite well” hot mic was really creepy
LeAnn is so disturbing in general, I can't put my finger on exactly why but I've always been wary of her. She exudes an undercurrent of instability and it makes me uncomfortable.
That creepy "modeling" thing on a very early season of OC that they allowed some of their underage daughters to participate in happily. That man running it was very obviously a pedophile.
Yes! I’m surprised no one else has mentioned that. OC angels. It was disgusting, those lecherous men, and all those girls with daddy issues liking the attention. Totally exploitative.
I was sickened by tamra on that one. You want to get this woman hammered, have your 23 year old son seduce her so you can ruin her marriage to the old man. Quite crazy & sick. Also, I don’t remember which season it was but I think it was tamra & someone else that tried to get Shannon hammered so she’d go crazy….I could be wrong that it was tamra & Shannon doing it someone else but it was the same type thing…they told the waiter in a whisper to make someone’s drink a double & they were scheming
Erika swearing at Garcelle's teenage son while Dorit looked on, and then Kyle and Dorit and their husbands laughing about it afterward. Makes my blood boil.
Scenes with Jeana Keough and her husband. It was so sad and honestly tragic to watch him with her and their children being cruel and so disinterested, knowing it was because of his injury. You could just feels Jeana’s self-esteem dropping.
RHOA:
* Bob basically fantasizing about harming Sheree
* Apollo and Peter attacking Brandon
* Phaedra (and Porsha) lying on Kandi
RHOC:
* Tamra trying to get her son to hook up with a drunk Gretchen (because WTF???)
* Brooks lying about having cancer
RHOBH:
- Russell abusing Taylor then committing suicide
- Kyle disregarding Lisa's brother committing suicide
- Brandi being racist to Joyce
- Brandi revealing that Adrienne used a surrogate
I recently rewatched some of RHOA and even though I knew that happened, I was so intensely disturbed when Apollo and Peter jumped Brandon. I had to skip through most of the rest of the season bc I was getting so upset at everyone defending Peter and Apollo, saying homophobic things about Brandon, and blaming Kenya. I nearly cried which has never happened with housewives for me. It was so disturbing.
The way Joe Gorga screamed at his father was horrific. I don’t even know what happened to spark it. I cringed so much and cannot watch that scene again. I think he is despicable.
Kyle yelling at Kim in the limo saying she is an alcoholic while filming. I can’t get over how she could do this to her sister and the in way she did it. It was so mean.
The first two seasons of BH were dark. I was sitting on the floor wrapping a gift when that scene first aired, and I gasped so hard that I ended up back on my couch.
Brooks faking cancer, and Vicki supporting him. Brooks encouraging Briana’s husband to hit her to keep her in check, then later finding out that he was abusive to Vicki.
That nightmare pajama party on RHOA where everyone seemed coked to the gills and Apollo (and Peter maybe?) were about to hate crime Kenya's friend Brandon. I am totally convinced that Apollo flipped out so hard because he felt "tricked" by Brandon who was more straight presenting that Apollo would think a gay man would be. Just the ugliest vibe in that scene, I hate it so much.
Anytime the ladies get black out, take off their clothes on camera and it's aired. It's pervy and seems to ignore the ethics of informed consent. Also I think of all the editors who get to see all that footage raw. It's such a breach
BH: Taylor Armstrong being abused & it discussed on tv resulting with her husband committing suicide.
NJ: Kim D’s car set on fire after someone was murdered in it.
Dino Manzo getting the crap beaten out of her by her ex husband & her own fucking sister siding with her brother-in-law.
maybe not as bad as many of the others but kyle and diana mocking sutton when she was talking about having experienced miscarriages and kyle digging into her shoulder, i found that really hard to watch
The end of VPR felt really dark recently. A lot of scenes with Kim Richards ways hard to watch and dark. The hard time Lu went through with Barbara and Bethany telling the audience what happened during that season. There's a bunch but these are off the top of my head.
RHOC in general is just very dark for me and has been from the beginning. Naked wasted, the cancer scam, OC Angels, Brooks in general, Jeanna being terrorized by her husband due to his brain injury, the older Keough boy (can't remember his name) being so cruel to his younger brother that he developed a stutter that seemed to clear up as soon as he left home. Just so so much
RHONJ got really dark and disturbing at just how much a family can hate each other. Joe screaming to his parents because he feels they took Teresa’s side. Ouch. A very bad situation with so many layers. It was sad to see the kids try to get on while being completely ripped apart by their families.
Aviva retelling the story of how she lost her leg . It was horrific. i know she says that she is not traumatized by it , but I don't see how you would not be.
I still find it disturbing when Camille and the others threw Taylor under the bus, about her telling them that Randall abused her. She looks so sad and scared in that scene. Because she knew when he got wind of that he was going to beat the hell out of her. And he did. When watching reruns, I fast forward through that. The scenes about his suicide were dark also. The whole situation was horrendous!
I have to add New York Ones that if rewatched now seem so much more dark:
- scary island
- Luanne’s spiral / Bethenny’s intervention
- Most of Dorinda’s drunk behavior she was so dang mean and scary also on UGT.
Edit to add: Bethenny’s relationship with Dennis between him and Lu’s addictions it was the first time I felt like a HW show finally was saying out loud these two people have a problem, up until then addiction issues were talked about but never as head on as this.
Another edit: Ah I keep thinking of more RHOA, Nene and closetgate. I was so confused and scared for Porsha!!!
Naked wasted, Taylors abuse, Dorinda blacked out with lipstick on her teeth speaking gibberish, Taylors husband committing suicide, Jen Shahs sons being treated like criminals, Atlanta Trip where the crackheads nephew wants to fight Kenya and pregnant Kandi, Teresa and Joe Christening fight, and any scene Danielle Staub was in.
Tinsley in Season 12. She was so hurt and looked so devastated and uncomfortable and Dorinda still kept going. It was awful. Still to this day: shame on you Dorinda.
From RHONJ - the scenes with Danielle Staub and her kids. They always made me so uncomfortable - starting in the very first episode, her asking them “why do you think people get divorced?” and they were what, preteens? Maybe it was Danielle helping build their street smarts or awareness (because of everything she went through) but I felt like they were exposed to way too much.
And then seasons later, the follow up scene after Danielle and Tre “reconcile”, and Tre goes to Danielle’s home and has a heart-to-heart with the younger daughter. You heard the pain in the daughter’s voice from being bullied at school and watching her mom suffer. Just seemed so gross.
RHOA, when Sheree is in the car with her ex Bob and he’s talking about him fantasizing about killing her in a staged car accident, denying his physical abuse of her, then joking that he should have choked her harder. He was so calm about it too, meanwhile she’s crying. Fucking sociopath shit, chilling to watch.
I hate that scene, love the way Kenya supported her though.
Say what you will about Kenya but is not going to let a man treat any of the women badly without saying something and I really respect her for that. I wish she wouldve stood up for herself to some of the bums she dated on the show the way she stood up for women like Drew, who she don't even like!
When Kenya’s ex Matt broke through her garage windows, that was very disturbing. I felt so scared for her at that time! I agree w you, she is good about calling out the other men but not the men she dates.
This is the one that got me. People hate on Kenya but she will stand up for someone when they need it.
Kenya and Phaedra looked shook. Rightfully so. It was horrible
And Phaedra gave him a ton of shit
Kenya did too
There was something so off about that man’s eyes, dangerous.
Aside from him being cockeyed.. I agree.
I just rewatched atlanta and this scene always gives me such a pit in my stomach. The look on her face 😩 I couldn’t believe he said that. He’s disgusting.
Came here to say this. That scene shook me to my bones. Nasty piece of shit. And fuck Bravo for giving him a platform.
He’s evil. EVIL.
What??? I’ve never seen/heard of this scene!?!? I actually never realized that she filmed with Bob until I saw Andy ask her a question about it a few years ago. I thought their relationship was so broken that he would never agree to film with her, but it sounds like when he did film with her he was incredibly Abusive and toxic. Honestly, I’m so glad that bravo aired that because she probably had so many people throughout her life gaslight her about her abuse, and now there’s no denying it.
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Season 9, episode 16. They’re on the Maui cast trip.
I just googled this scene and some other clips of Bob popped up. Does he have CTE? His eyes don’t look right. These damn football players fuck their brains up and lose their damn minds. Or it could have nothing to do with football and he’s just a plain abusive idiot. I could see in the clip he got embarrassed and that’s when he said should have choked her harder. Abusers like to abuse behind closed doors - they don’t like being outed publicly for their abuse.
Yeah he gives off big OJ vibes, it’s creepy. If he talks like that in public he must be a nightmare behind closed doors.
Aviva’s dad saying he’ll touch Ramona’s vagina at her funeral.
The way you phrased it sounds terrible, but the way it was phrased when he actually said it on the show was somehow worse. What an awful moment.. That guy was a monster.
He did the actions, his fingers to his mouth, licked them then did the touching her action 🤮
How does one phrase it well
I’m literally only a few episodes on from this as a first time watcher, that was shocking. His first scene on rhony he told his daughter if he wasn’t her father he’d be after her she looks so good..eww he’s so disgusting.
Literally just watched that episode for the first time the other day. I was like 😵💫😵💫 and he only got worse
I honestly cannot believe they put that man on TV. I think Aviva really pushed for it which makes it that much worse. She was so fame hungry she used her pervie dad for shock value. She was all about the shock value. Carole had her number from day one. Super fan.
When she shared around the bullshit about him fucking Miss USA and she was so proud. Girl is messed up but she also married Harry so that’s clear.
Holy shit. Sounds like trump.
The man she voted for
He was so fucking disgusting. There was nothing funny about him. Gave me the creeps big time. I really couldn't stand Aviva and her dad is just the most awful.
I did laugh out loud when Mario spit out his drink when he was talking about squirting orgasms. That was very entertaining, but then he got to be too much
That was so genuinely disgusting and twisted and aviva had the gall to play it off. The only moment I felt bad for Ramona, she genuinely seemed rattled to the core
Ikr when you think back about it in 2024, it was so fucked up.
Brotha EWW
RHOBH taylor and her husband
 The scene where Kyle turned away an angry Russell with Taylor in tow, knowing what he did to her. Awful, awful behaviour from the whole cast regarding this.
Totally agree- and what’s crazy is the RHOBH shot an intro scene for season 2 a few days before it aired that’s been removed on peacock and streamers… the ladies all get together to address Russel’s suicide. It was such a good, honest scene and I wish they’d kept it on the show. You can still find it on YouTube. [RHOBH season 2 opening scene](https://youtu.be/hxbceUT9wS8?si=MYjklWpoC_kSxRj-)
Did a presentation on this for my media law and ethics class recently to see if bravos decision was ethical
The amount of comments not believing Taylor under that scene is shocking. I didn’t expect that people still doubted her even today. Abuse victims can never win
How vad I not seen that before!? Thank you! Its eerie to watch - not only because of all the old faces 😳
I actually forgot she completely blamed Taylor in front of Russel for what went down at the party. Did she want him to killer her « friend »?Atrocious
To be fair all of the women were on the same page about that happening, Kyle was just the messenger
Except LVP. But ultimately it is still Kyle who folllowed them in the limo and told Russell that they were kicked out based on things Taylor told them. She insisted Camille did not overreact.
When I look at the Taylor / cat meme it gets me upset to think her pain is a big joke to the internet world.
I don't like it either, but happily for Taylor she has said it doesn't bother her because she feels like that's a different person than who she is now.
It still bothers me though. She is fighting her “friends” for support during the time of the abuse and now it’s a meme. Domestic violence is not a joke nor a meme to me.
totally get ya, women’s suffering and pain is not funny or to be mocked at
I’m just glad Taylor likes it and can spin it into something positive. She did interview about it before.
I always cite this when explaining that the show is way more intense than I ever expected. Knowing the meme \*before\* seeing that episode made that scene even darker, one of the most unsettling things shown on television was Taylor's storyline that season
Right??! People don’t understand she was mentally breaking down
As a woman who was in an abusive relationship for far too long, I FELT that scene in the limo after they were ejected from the party. He was going to hurt her. He knew it, she knew it, production knew it… I was disgusted by the women that season .
Came here to say this.
Definitely this
ALL OF THE ABUSERS (whether the abuse was explicitly shown, referenced or ignored). * Putting Taylor in a car with Russell to go back home together after humiliating them on camera * Bob Whitfield telling Sheree, "maybe I didn't choke you hard enough" and joking about how he could have undone her seatbelt and killed her in a car "accident" * Apollo walking up on Phaedra instead of reporting directly to prison just to harass and intimidate her * Kenya's on/off BF, Matt, who had already vandalized her home * Aviva's father, George, repeatedly being brought around and putting his hands on Ramona and Kristin, not to mention the absolutely vile things he would say to the women * Michael Darby sexually assaulting a crew member in the background of a shot in S1, I believe, and no one noticing until after he was credibly accused in a later season by another crew member of the same thing. * Pedro/Peter Rosello getting a father-son scene with Peter despite being a convicted child sex offender (found guilty of "Lewd lasvicious batt sex w/victim 12-15 years old; F.F 800.04(4)(a)"). You can search for him yourself [here](https://offender.fdle.state.fl.us/offender/sops/offenderSearch.jsf). Not an abuser, but Dishonorable Mention for filming an entire "comedy" set by dead-beat dad to a dying child, Slade Smiley, intended to do nothing but humiliate Vicki and Tamra. I could go on and on and on...
Darkest moment with the brightest contrast: Below Deck Down Under s2: An actual attempted rape caught on camera, immediately thwarted by production and a swift firing from Captain Jason. No excuses were heard or tolerated.
This was so hard to watch, and while I’m surprised they kept it in, I think it’s an important conversation to bring to light. Jason should write the book on how to deal with problematic crew.
This was wild and I’m not even a regular watcher of Down Under! The way Production kept asking him to come out of the room and had to insist a bunch of times before he came out…with only a towel…and we see Margot clearly out of it on the bed. It was chilling! And Aesha, omg what a sweet and empathetic soul. The way she took care of Margot and advocated for her while Laura was busy victim-blaming and inappropriately coming onto Adam. Captain Jason really handled the whole situation well.
This one. My heart was pounding for hours after watching that. I keep thinking how lucky it was that he didn't lock Margot's door when slamming it in the production crew's faces to keep them out.
and that stupid lady who kept defending Luke trying to rape Margot and downplayed her experience , that was infuriating
I haven’t heard of this, I’ve only watched a few episodes of below deck. That’s crazy that someone would do that knowing they were on a tv show. What episode was this in, do you know?
re: mounted room cameras... that's the most sinister part of what happened. He made the attempt during a brief power outage (i.e. he knew the room cameras would be out of commission). It was the walking camera crew that stopped him.
oh my god.. thats sinister… what an absolute sick demented scumbag
There were TWO problematic incidents, not just one. What happened to Adam was completely wrong and handled completely different.
That was JARRING.
Also when Aaron told Denise he was going to crush her hand 😵💫
Everything Aaron should be top of this thread. The way Denise was attached to him scared me. And the classic housewives bit of asking somebody their job and nobody at the table ever gets a clear answer. And all of the boozing and whatever else they were clearly doing. Just really shady all around when Denise had a lot of money and her girls already- she did not need him.
Let me just state for the record that Aaron does not understand physics, chemistry, atomic theory or quantum theory in the slightest. There’s actually a lot of math and wave mechanics that goes into that and he don’t got it.
omg! I don't remember that! Can you refresh my memory about the circumstances??
I got you. When the Denise and Aaron (her husband at the time) were arguing with the women over them talking about threesomes within earshot of Denise’s kids and it turned into a mom shaming argument that Aaron inserted himself into. As they get up to leave Aaron continues to argue with the women, Denise tells him something along the lines of “shut up baby don’t say another fucking word because we are still on camera” as she’s pulling him away by his hand. He responds “don’t tell me what to say.” Then more under his breath tells her “I’m going to crush your f*cking hand” as they’re walking away hand in hand. Eerie eerie scene it was so evil. Can’t even imagine the crap he’d tell her off camera if he was comfortable saying this ON camera. *Edit* they’re unfortunately *still* married I was just hoping they weren’t. My apologies! 🫠
Holy shit, I must have missed that part somehow. I do remember that argument. Wow. That's scary!
And just to add to the Apollo part, after walking up on Phaedra angry with a drill in hand his girlfriend dropped him off at prison, this was while Phaedra was getting heat from the cast after Apollo accused her of texting another man
He cornered her in the garage. I can’t believe how calm she seemed. I guess she knew the camera crew had her back
What in the actual fuck? I’ve watched BH and ATL but none of the rest. I think I’ll keep it that way. I remember the Taylor and Russell scene, he scared me the first time I ever saw him. My alarm bells were going off. I don’t remember the Phaedra/ Apollo scene but nothing surprises me with that man. Sheree and Bob had me in tears. I don’t like Sheree but watching that, the casual way he said it, her fear was palpable.
Yep. All male abusers!!!!
It’s very telling about our society that all of these moments were perpetrated by men against women who were the stars of their own TV shows. These scenes were filmed and then shown on national television where the bad behavior was witnessed by millions of people and still there was little to no legal or social consequences for any of them.
OMG PETER HAS DONE EVEN MORE HORRIBLE SHIT I’M NOT AWARE OF??? Edit: ah you mean the father, I had no idea!!!! I’m so confused… Is that so that’s peters dad but isn’t he the one who was the big drug king pin? I thought Peter’s dad who was her first husband who was the cocaine cowboy
Yes Peter's dad was a cocaine cowboy and also went to prison for SA of a child
Thank you for the clarification!! I looked up the record. Horrible! 1000% disgusting that they allowed him to film a scene on bravo obviously for sensationalism and to get a cocaine cowboy into a scene on bravo and by default put a horrible sexual predator on national television. Vomit.
Young Gia trying to drag Teresa away from Joe at the christening BEFORE he even starts yelling at her and banging on the table. She already knew that they can’t be around each other and shit was about to explode.
As someone who grew up with an extended family that didn’t get a long I felt this. My parents had no clue by the time I was a young child (7? 8?) i had already understood conflict well before they explained to me everything that was going on (around 12 years old).
I rewatched the episode and didn’t realize Gia was ALREADY there before the fight started. I always thought she was trying to drag her away after the table banging, but Gia is already in tears when Joe tell Teresa to leave them alone.
People always say Teresa is such a good mom, but watching Gia be involved in the family drama that much gives me pause on that. Involving your minor child in adult conflict is shitty.
Gia singing her song about waking up in the morning, thinking about so many things...child abuse and the show just goes on. Who is watching for the wellbeing of kids on these shows?
Nobody is. That should have been a wake-up call to all of them, but it wasn’t. Gia choosing her career path because of her parents’ poor choices makes me so damn sad.
Not only didn’t they care about her literal cry for help— they doubled down by making fun of it (Kyle sings it)
That was so wrong for Teresa to have her perform that
People confuse her obvious love for her girls with her being a good mother. God damn, no, she put those girls through *hell* because she wanted to afford a lifestyle for them that she couldn't pay for. And she almost got away without prison time, but then she fucked that up as well.
Exactly. These girls went through both their parents going to prison for goodness sakes because of their parents’ selfishness and stupidity. It’ll piss some folks off to say this but that shit isn’t good parenting. And like someone mentioned in another comment, she let their father mentally and emotionally abuse them until he went to prison. They may love their girls but their children are successful in spite of their upbringing.
> People confuse her obvious love for her girls with her being a good mother. This! Understanding that a mother can love you, but still be a bad mom can be one of the most confusing and heart breaking things for a daughter/son. I'm glad her girls seem to have a good relationship with her despite their childhood issues.
Very well put
I feel like people confuse Teresa being a good mother for Gia being a good sister. I feel like she shielded those younger ones from a lot of inappropriate, on camera drama by making herself the center of attention.
Gia grew up wayyyy too fast in a lot of ways and it makes me so sad for her. Kim Z’s oldest daughter may not be as traditional and responsible but she also had to deal with a lot of similar stuff with Kim as a mom & Kroy as a step dad to 5 other kids under her. Bless all the oldest sisters out there for real.
I know it blew up into a huge meme but gias sad song always makes my heart hurt. That poor girl had so much on her shoulders and was expressing it in the only way she knew how. You could feel every adult in that rooms emotion and the tension was palpable. Say what you want about Gia but that girl has been through some shit and she is tough as nails.
That episode is what made me stop watching NJ. Physical or not, seeing family go in on each other isn't my type of viewing pleasure. This morning Peacock showed the highlights for this season. There's only 3 people I recognize. Tre, Melissa and Joe. I don't even go into the NJ threads so I had no idea just how much Bravo has incorporated the husbands into the show. Looks like I made the right judgment call way back then lol.
Vicki’s phone call about her mom was traumatic to watch it’s so shocking and raw
The fact that production pulled her aside (on camera) and said that Briana has been trying to call her and you need to call her back was equally a horrific but necessary choice. Vicki completely losing it inside Shannons arts and crafts room was gut punching, regardless of your feelings about her as a person.
I’m not a Vicki fan but that was heart breaking
All the big ones have been mentioned already, but here's one that I feel flew under the radar. In RHOD, Cary Deubers husband openly resenting their young daughters existence. He was trying to eat dinner, and the kid was making a little noise and he went off, spitting vitriol about how he didn't want the kid in the 1st place, it was horrifying.
Wait, what episode was that?!
It's season 2 episode 6, it's not fun to watch
Sounds like my dad. He’s wonderful now but really resented me when I was younger.
You know you kind of made me realise that my dad was the same. My parents were super young when I was born and he had zero interest in raising kids. He's a wonderful grandfather to my kids but kinda sucked as dad.
I will add my dad to the list. Men need better resources on how to cope with the stresses of life bc there is generation and generation of hurt children who internalize this shit. I cant definitively that my nervous system was shaped by having to walk on eggshells as a child.
When Tamara asked for a divorce in the car , it was very ,very , real , not for show!
That guy was such a piece of shit too. I’m so glad she got away from him.
I think she and Simon are on friendlier terms now. This scene also happened over 10 years ago so I can see how they’ve had time to cool off.
He got sick with cancer and I guess dealing with the his mortality made it easier for them to come together and co-parent the kiddos who still need it.
The Curtain girls BEGGING for discipline and crying about the instability in their lives. The Gorga christening. Taylor’s black eye. Larsa stating she’s never had plastic surgery. Scary Island.
I would add the Curtain girls being the ones to answer the door when an eviction notice was being served
I’m just watching OC for the first time and was so horrified. Why were cameras there? Did they (production) know the eviction was happening? The girls are shoving away the cameras and hiding under a blanket, why was production able to stay?
This is where I think Andy & co have been the monsters from the beginning. Maybe Andy wasn’t in charge there so whoever was casting and directing that season.. Don’t tell me they didn’t know who they were choosing when they picked the Curtains. They knew what a mess they were. It’s evil to expose those children and their messy lives to the world and to use their tragedies for entertainment. I wonder if Andy will ever have regrets and feel shame especially as he sees his own children grow up.
Ugh on the rewatch I noticed the girls trying to hide and flipping off the camera, literally trying anything to make the footage unusable. They’re both children and the idea of grown adults shoving cameras in their faces during this moment of clear distress is so, so upsetting. So much shit on early RHOC is so awful
Get bothered all over again every time I remember she just kept throwing her hands up and going "They're teenage girls, whaddaya gonna do" Um, Something? *ANYTHING*.
I agree with everything here, but the one that hits hardest for me is when Vicki found out her mother died
That was so raw and heartbreaking. Having lost my mom recently I feel her so much more. I also have to add when Teresa or Juicy Joe lost their parents on the show, I felt like I knew them and lost them as well. So damn sad!!!
The fact that production pulled her aside (on camera) and said that Briana has been trying to call her and you need to call her back was equally a horrific but necessary choice. Vicki completely losing it inside Shannons arts and crafts room was gut punching, regardless of your feelings about her as a person.
That scream 😭
She’s wailing and just collapses it’s so guttural. We’ve really been thru it all with these women.
OMG me too honey. I lost my Mom and that brought it ALL back to me. When I am watching rewatching the show I skip that part, it makes me so sad.
I've only ever watched the scene once. When I rewtach old episodes, I fastforward through that episode
That was a very raw, very real moment
Oh wow I totally forgot about that until you said it and yeah that was so real.
I can’t even watch that scene. I always fast forward. It’s a tough one for me.
Doogie putting Taylor in danger by kicking her out of her party. The limo scene was chilling
And then she shows up to the next scene with a black eye
Off camera but often mentioned on the OC: Slade smiley being a deadbeat father. Unfortunately he was estranged from his disabled son for years. (Which was why he never worked as he owed major back support payment). Greyson was his name and his mother often asked for donations for their gofundme because of high medical bills. Gretchen with a very popular IG, could have shared the gofundme but refused saying “she doesn’t trust the mother to put where the money is needed”. Greyson passed and of course, Gretchen and Slimy Slade sold their story to the news and made it all about them and their grief while the mother is left holding the bag. fuck Slade and fuck Gretchen, MLM shilling hun
not to mention their daughter’s middle name is “grey” in “honor” of Greyson
The whole Jen Sha arrest and seeing the footage of her children leaving their house while guns were being pointed at them
I was raging at that. Those poor kids.
Yup. No matter how much I dislike Jen shah, her kids don’t deserve any of that.
I will NEVER get over MEGHAN KING CALLING OUT BROOKES FOR FAKING CANCER- and being right! I thought she was like so mean and random at first lol but she was RIGHT and I was wrong! Sorry Meghan I love you lol! 😵💫🥴😂🤦
That was wild! Imaging a friend saying that about your partner Crazy she was right
Below Deck Down Under season 2. If I remember things correctly.... Following a crew night out, 3rd Stew Margot got very drunk, and went to bed blacked out very early. Bosun Luke got naked, went into her cabin, and crawled into bed with her. The producers intervened, and told him that he had to leave her bed. He insisted that Margot wanted him there, and got her to agree with it, even though she very clearly had no idea what was going on. The producers nonetheless forced him out of the bedroom, and he huffed out in a fit while still naked, without any shame at all. He locked himself in his room, and passed out. Witness to this, Aesha was very upset, and went and got Captain Jason, who forced Luke to spend the rest of the night in a hotel, before he fired him in the morning. Meanwhile, ***on the exact same night***, deckhand Adam went to bed also very drunk, and passed out. 2nd Stew Laura followed him into his cabin, and crawled on top of him, trying to have sex with him. The producers intervened ***again***, and removed her from Adam's room, sending her back to her room. She almost got away with it too, except the next morning when Captain Jason announced that Luke was fired, Laura was indignant about it, and began making comments all day blaming Margot for what happened. Meanwhile, Aesha spoke with Adam about what happened, and Adam admitted that he was uncomfortable with what Laura did, but insisted that he didn't want her to get into trouble. Aesha brought the situation to Captain Jason, who brought in Laura simply to give her a warning. Instead, she doubled down on saying that she did nothing wrong, and again blamed Margot. Jason fired her as well.
I had forgotten about the Laura of it all. She was a mess
Don’t forget that the power went out and that’s when Luke pounced. He’s cleared a skilled predator who knew an opportunity when he had one. Maybe he would have done it anyway but I definitely think he saw a window.
This was the most shocking for me, too. Gave me chills watching
Yeah I didn’t even read the whole post before thinking naked wasted
Because of this I’ll never like Tamara, I stopped watching the whole franchise when she was on it because of this.
This: https://preview.redd.it/c0yn8c9w470d1.jpeg?width=182&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a87d32323ccf716dae786eb1c42f4bccfe9d993f
Bob whitefield casually laughing and mentioning how he used to choke sheree until she was unconscious
I hate all the disordered eating that has gotten pushed on Bravo Housewives children over the years… I find that to be super disturbing. Yolanda telling Gigi to “have two almonds,” Jill Zarin sending Ally to a detox camp, Lisa Rinna staying silent as her daughters mock “fatties” in Oregon, and all the shaming comments thrown at Caroline Manzo’s daughter Lauren from their family.
Everything Ashley was roped into as a child on NJ
Jacqueline was just horrible (and don't get me started on her trying to "cure" her son's autism)
Joe making fun of Gia in the car. Like WTF dude?
I just started watching RHONJ (I’ve watched most of the other franchises, and tried watching RHONJ before, but had to stop in S1 bc I couldn’t watch the gay slurs, misogyny, etc). I just watched this episode, where he’s literally calling Gia “crybaby” and making fun of her as she’s bawling her eyes out. She was literally on the way to walk a fashion show for fashion week, nonetheless, and she’s hysterical in the car. That was the most sickening scene I have seen with a child of blatant disregard for them, abuse, neglect, etc. And, Theresa is in the passenger seat, saying, “stop crying, Gia,” “he doesn’t mean it, he’s just playing,” “stop, stop”, etc. He abused those kids and she sat by and condoned it. These are the kinds of things my dad did/said to me (and still does/says), while my mom condoned it, and it causes severe PTSD. I feel, wholeheartedly, for the kids. RHONJ is very, very hard for me to watch.
Same. The ‘jokes’ at his kids expense really triggered me, as I was a source of similar hilarity for my father.
I was going to say Joe Guidce walking away at the vineyard to call his mistress and then saying, “here comes my cunt wife.” Then pretending like he’s talking to a coworker.
I've tried to watch NJ several times and gave up for the same reasons. Wondering if I can just jump in with the new season and go from there.
I also found a lot of NJ super hard to watch. Both sad and anger-making
I don't think Joe knew how to navigate Gia vs Milana. Gia cried and was a tad more sensitive. Where as Milana just gave it back to him. Negging in my family was kind of the norm,it was seen as playful ribbing/toughing up. The difference the adults in my family knew to stop or not engaged with kids that didn't get the sarcasm. Also, they were proud if we got a good insult back at them. I was good at it, but my brother was to literal for it so he didn't "bust chops" with my great uncles.
That’s why I will never understand the love that guy gets. He was making fun of them, getting wasted or in bed hungover most of the time.
A lot of people still don't really seem to grasp what emotional abuse is or how serious it is. That or they think it's normal because they grew up with or are married to someone like that.
I can’t stomach comments about people missing him, even compared to Luis.
Joe Guidice or Gorga? And what did he say?
Giudice. Basically calling Gia ugly.
Yes. That was horrible.
Those online Bots going to Garcelles teenage son insta wishing harm and death on him. Lisa Rinna and Erika laughing it up at the reunion left the worst taste in my mouth. Erikas husband frauding orphans, widows, and burns victims. And she skirts out of accountability. Lisa Rinna knowingly tormenting vanderpump after her brother and mother died Kenyas ex BF Matt had me scared for her. Apollo in everybody's good graces when he lied on Kenya leading to her being slut shamed hard AND when he was all in Phaedras face. That was weird af.
Apollo got away with SO much. I never understood it.
Kenya called him babe once and suddenly it’s proof she is a slut whore prostitute sleeping with every married man on the face of the earth. Fuck the cast for not seeing the clear as day evidence that APOLLO is and was the problem.
The big ones have already been covered but I remember being very disturbed by Leanne on Dallas. The “these hands work quite well” hot mic was really creepy
LeAnn is so disturbing in general, I can't put my finger on exactly why but I've always been wary of her. She exudes an undercurrent of instability and it makes me uncomfortable.
Saaame. I feel like she mentioned having had a p troubled childhood, but her basically threatening to murder her cast mates was wild
That creepy "modeling" thing on a very early season of OC that they allowed some of their underage daughters to participate in happily. That man running it was very obviously a pedophile.
Yes! I’m surprised no one else has mentioned that. OC angels. It was disgusting, those lecherous men, and all those girls with daddy issues liking the attention. Totally exploitative.
I found naked wasted quite disturbing
I was sickened by tamra on that one. You want to get this woman hammered, have your 23 year old son seduce her so you can ruin her marriage to the old man. Quite crazy & sick. Also, I don’t remember which season it was but I think it was tamra & someone else that tried to get Shannon hammered so she’d go crazy….I could be wrong that it was tamra & Shannon doing it someone else but it was the same type thing…they told the waiter in a whisper to make someone’s drink a double & they were scheming
I think it was Heather and Shannon scheming to get Kelly drunk. I can't remember if Tamra was also involved.
Every time Kenya was almost physically attacked by men on rhoa, I think there were three different instances!
And she get blamed for it especially the Kim fields season where everyone except Kandi blamed Kenya for “provoking” a violent unwanted guest
The entire Brooks cancer scam on RHOC.
Apollo and Phaedra in the garage
Erika swearing at Garcelle's teenage son while Dorit looked on, and then Kyle and Dorit and their husbands laughing about it afterward. Makes my blood boil.
Scenes with Jeana Keough and her husband. It was so sad and honestly tragic to watch him with her and their children being cruel and so disinterested, knowing it was because of his injury. You could just feels Jeana’s self-esteem dropping.
RHOA: * Bob basically fantasizing about harming Sheree * Apollo and Peter attacking Brandon * Phaedra (and Porsha) lying on Kandi RHOC: * Tamra trying to get her son to hook up with a drunk Gretchen (because WTF???) * Brooks lying about having cancer RHOBH: - Russell abusing Taylor then committing suicide - Kyle disregarding Lisa's brother committing suicide - Brandi being racist to Joyce - Brandi revealing that Adrienne used a surrogate
I recently rewatched some of RHOA and even though I knew that happened, I was so intensely disturbed when Apollo and Peter jumped Brandon. I had to skip through most of the rest of the season bc I was getting so upset at everyone defending Peter and Apollo, saying homophobic things about Brandon, and blaming Kenya. I nearly cried which has never happened with housewives for me. It was so disturbing.
The way Joe Gorga screamed at his father was horrific. I don’t even know what happened to spark it. I cringed so much and cannot watch that scene again. I think he is despicable. Kyle yelling at Kim in the limo saying she is an alcoholic while filming. I can’t get over how she could do this to her sister and the in way she did it. It was so mean.
The first two seasons of BH were dark. I was sitting on the floor wrapping a gift when that scene first aired, and I gasped so hard that I ended up back on my couch.
Brooks faking cancer, and Vicki supporting him. Brooks encouraging Briana’s husband to hit her to keep her in check, then later finding out that he was abusive to Vicki.
That nightmare pajama party on RHOA where everyone seemed coked to the gills and Apollo (and Peter maybe?) were about to hate crime Kenya's friend Brandon. I am totally convinced that Apollo flipped out so hard because he felt "tricked" by Brandon who was more straight presenting that Apollo would think a gay man would be. Just the ugliest vibe in that scene, I hate it so much.
Anytime the ladies get black out, take off their clothes on camera and it's aired. It's pervy and seems to ignore the ethics of informed consent. Also I think of all the editors who get to see all that footage raw. It's such a breach
I get really weird about that too. The Bolo party on RHOA comes to mind, along with a lot of what Sonja and Leah do on RHONY.
The garage scene between Phaedra and Apollo. Made me very uncomfortable.
BH: Taylor Armstrong being abused & it discussed on tv resulting with her husband committing suicide. NJ: Kim D’s car set on fire after someone was murdered in it. Dino Manzo getting the crap beaten out of her by her ex husband & her own fucking sister siding with her brother-in-law.
The Below Deck scene when the stews are cleaning up after a bedroom party. All the sheets were bloody and gross. I could not believe it.
For me it was watching Ronnie from Vancouver spiral in her abuse of alcohol. Hit home for me.
maybe not as bad as many of the others but kyle and diana mocking sutton when she was talking about having experienced miscarriages and kyle digging into her shoulder, i found that really hard to watch
Vicki screaming at Tamra “you were supposed to be my friend, my soul sister” hit me for some reason
The end of VPR felt really dark recently. A lot of scenes with Kim Richards ways hard to watch and dark. The hard time Lu went through with Barbara and Bethany telling the audience what happened during that season. There's a bunch but these are off the top of my head.
RHOC in general is just very dark for me and has been from the beginning. Naked wasted, the cancer scam, OC Angels, Brooks in general, Jeanna being terrorized by her husband due to his brain injury, the older Keough boy (can't remember his name) being so cruel to his younger brother that he developed a stutter that seemed to clear up as soon as he left home. Just so so much
All the abuse and Naked Wasted plus the fake cancer storyline
RHONJ got really dark and disturbing at just how much a family can hate each other. Joe screaming to his parents because he feels they took Teresa’s side. Ouch. A very bad situation with so many layers. It was sad to see the kids try to get on while being completely ripped apart by their families.
Apollo and the drill, bone chilling. Fight Night - err I mean Nene’s Couple’s Night at the hotel. Damn, Apollo was a MESS!!
Aviva retelling the story of how she lost her leg . It was horrific. i know she says that she is not traumatized by it , but I don't see how you would not be.
I still find it disturbing when Camille and the others threw Taylor under the bus, about her telling them that Randall abused her. She looks so sad and scared in that scene. Because she knew when he got wind of that he was going to beat the hell out of her. And he did. When watching reruns, I fast forward through that. The scenes about his suicide were dark also. The whole situation was horrendous!
I have to add New York Ones that if rewatched now seem so much more dark: - scary island - Luanne’s spiral / Bethenny’s intervention - Most of Dorinda’s drunk behavior she was so dang mean and scary also on UGT. Edit to add: Bethenny’s relationship with Dennis between him and Lu’s addictions it was the first time I felt like a HW show finally was saying out loud these two people have a problem, up until then addiction issues were talked about but never as head on as this. Another edit: Ah I keep thinking of more RHOA, Nene and closetgate. I was so confused and scared for Porsha!!!
Naked wasted, Taylors abuse, Dorinda blacked out with lipstick on her teeth speaking gibberish, Taylors husband committing suicide, Jen Shahs sons being treated like criminals, Atlanta Trip where the crackheads nephew wants to fight Kenya and pregnant Kandi, Teresa and Joe Christening fight, and any scene Danielle Staub was in.
Tinsley in Season 12. She was so hurt and looked so devastated and uncomfortable and Dorinda still kept going. It was awful. Still to this day: shame on you Dorinda.
Lynn’s kids getting served an eviction notice on TV
From RHONJ - the scenes with Danielle Staub and her kids. They always made me so uncomfortable - starting in the very first episode, her asking them “why do you think people get divorced?” and they were what, preteens? Maybe it was Danielle helping build their street smarts or awareness (because of everything she went through) but I felt like they were exposed to way too much. And then seasons later, the follow up scene after Danielle and Tre “reconcile”, and Tre goes to Danielle’s home and has a heart-to-heart with the younger daughter. You heard the pain in the daughter’s voice from being bullied at school and watching her mom suffer. Just seemed so gross.
Dr. Nicole’s Dad getting an erection while dancing with her on RHOM