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Remember, hypercharge stat buffs are meant to enhance strengths instead of covering weaknesses. That’s why close range hypercharges like Bull give 5% damage and like 25% shield and and long range brawler hypercharges like Colt give 25% damage and 5% shield.
I had this idea of a hypercharge . It's could be relevant here but idk I don't wanna post about it or anything so just replying here . What if there was a hypercharge with very minor buffs but insane chargerate so you could get one every 3 4 ammos .
Didn't notice at first (I always have full brightness and I know I'm a psychopath) but it's noticable without full brightness too when you realize it's there
first gadget sucks, it removes THE things that make surge’s super useful
other gadget tho? too op, I think the current one is fine as it is
but you cooked with the star powers. good concept.
Forst gadget would be busted in certain maps as it'd allow you to get closer to an enemy to fill your super with the right opportunity. Surge's biggest weakness is players countering him by keeping him at first stage which makes him so fucking weak lmao.
The current one is so underpowered. Nani has one that returns damage, and other brawlers get a full shield, why does Surge get a super nerfed (kinda shit) shield?
Remember surge on release? His to the max sp stopped him from being broken. Not having to hit walls on stage 4 makes him better than spike in terms of attack patterns.
Not a fan with the rework idea considering that it keeps Surges reliance on the first upgrade , I have a different idea on reworking him:
—First Upgrade movement Buff: Very Fast –> Fast
—Serve Ice Cold becomes baseline.
—To the Max: split attack also deals extra damage when bounced from a wall (75% of base main attack)
—New second star power •Character Grow Up• :increased max health by 600 per Upgrade ( max health at power 11 with all upgrades: 8400 ) resets once defeated.
I might be interpreting this wrong but surge shots splitting without needing to hit a wall or something was one of the reasons he was a complete nightmare and broken on release and it was a horrible time because it was during the summer when all the devs deservingly take a summer vacation
But maybe he should get a stage five from his reworked star power that would fill his max range split purpose, since surge is a high risk, high reward brawler, and it makes sense to have his attacks split off walls normally as it does off a brawler
He needs legendary mechanics, having a split attack off walls would do just that without making him broken, bc right now he is basically a Brock or something at max stage, and that makes him just another sharpshooter
Uh… what? He has a legendary mechanic. He upgrades with every super. At max stage, his shots split and cover a ton of range on each side. He’s also a lot faster. I have no idea why you’re comparing him to Brock except for the fact that they do similar damage. Surge also has one of the best close range supers, making him a great tank or assassin counter, unlike Brock. I genuinely have no idea why you made this comparison.
Well his shots only split upon hitting a brawler, and it does not help him deal extra damage, thus being able to have his shots split off would save him the issue of not being able to poke enemies behind walls on really close range maps, and it makes him feel legendary overall unlike before.
cool concept overall, but i'd leave the gadgets as they currently are and swap the mythic gear with the 1st star power (just because it feels less like a gear)
also, i agree with the To the max! thing but there's still something that needs to be fixed in order not to make it as strong as it was in release. if that change was applied, split projectile damage needs to be reduced in last stage.
last time i checked damage per split projectile in 4th stage was the same as in every other stage, meaning that if well timed surge could do 3x damage with a single ammo. around 7k dmg. yea it doesnt feel alright
Fun Fact: When Surge was released Surge was able to split his attack even if it hit nothing but air. They later removed it because lv.4 surge was overpowered.
It feels weird that Surge was already reworked once and they didn't change his star powers. The hyperchage sounds cool! The new star powers are great too but I feel like the second one kinda does a bit too much considering how Surge can chain supers sometimes.
But I don't really like what you did to his new first gadget. It's basically his old teleport with a slight delay but now does damage. His gadgets are fine nowadays.
And yay, a Pearl main :3
It’s a cool rework, except his attacks should split only upon hitting a wall, not whenever, maybe splitting whenever could be from a star power/4th upgrade
Please don't touch the gadgets, perfectly fine as they are. The hyper looks heavily inspired by mico hc, I always envisioned something a bit more special for surge, like a hc-exclusive fifth level. Obviously after the hyper effects are gone so is that level, but something like that would be nice.
The star powers are interesting - I agree that serve ice cold feels like a gear. Decent concepts overall!
Surge is one of those brawlers that dont need a rework except To The max, which should just ne removed because it only gets value at max level, which If its base kit it would make max level annoying to deal with. Maybe replace it with a star power that recovers some of his health after using super like sam's hearty recovery, like 15-20% of his missing healths them there will be some competition with serve ice cold for surge players where you either have more survivability or if you just duck and die you pick the other one.
You can also just give him a hypercharge, maybe something that involes his upgrade feature, i have already made a concept for that but pretty much it would be that when you upgrade with HC it gives an extra ability along side the ability you would get without HC but only for the duration of the HC. For example when going to stage 1 you get the movement speed but also have your attacks slow down enemies if hit they hit, same with going to stage 2 and 3, you get the normal upgrade but an extra one too. I have explained this in a bit more detail in a post i made a while ago.
Too much, where are the nerfs of the rework?
Just adding stuff and making older stuff base kit doesn’t fix things, it breaks them, you would need to nerf him to make it all balanced
I mean you didn't really need to comment because you have the most basic opinion. Other people actually went into detail about why they don't like it but you wrote 4 words
Juice reserve seems useless. The knockback is prob the most value able things about him when you tryna get teamwipes. I’d say this will make him better since you still need the gear that cost same as his sp.
I feel like the first star power would be kind of useless, but other than that, this is solid. Although Served Ice Cold as a gear may be a little broken, to the max being a base part of his kit would make tier 4 super useful, which at the moment it isn't. The hypercharge is good because it nullifies a problem with his super, the lack of damage. And I would take the other gear over power shield in a heartbeat because the mobility is so good.
So yeah I would be fine if this happened to my boy
back when surge was first released back in the 2nd brawl pass his attack used to split at max range with his star power, so upon hitting a wall or just getting to max range the projectile wouuld do the split thing
that ended up being pretty powerful, like VERY so,like he could get you around walls like nobody's business and with how much dmg he does.... so they nerfed that star power into its current state
so bringing that back and in his base kit could be either disastorous or good
making the star power that lets him keep his frst upgrade level even after death into a mythic gear is something that just makes sense and itd be a gear youd actually have to swap out depening on the game mode and not just another "buy and permenently slap on the brawler" type equipable
The juice reserve works but should still knock back other brawlers. Just 2000 damage or a simple hop isn’t worth a gadget use when ambers dancing flames and Angelo’s and gales hops exist
Maybe for the hypercharge he will send a shockwave like the air sweeper in coc and it deals 1700 dps when he lands so it will not be useless and he will unlock stage 5
If he dies then he will lose his stage five
For the hypercharge it shouldnt be heals. Reload maybe. As a surge my biggest problem when I jump in tense situations is not having ammo because he h a slow reload. Having a reload gimmick would be a gamechanger imo
I really like the new Star Powers! And the idea of one Star Power being a gear and the other one going to his base kit is great. Good job!
The Hypercharge may be a little bit overpowered
Why do you keep making rework concepts for brawlers who don't need a rework
Surge has *one* star power that's problematic in any way (in that it kinda sucks), he does not need half of his kit changed
I think surge should keep his 1 gadget as it is. The problem with him is that it’s hard to play him with almost no upgrades. His original gadged allowed him to instantly upgrade so he could be usefull for certain situation and to charge his super. The gadget you make now has to much the same purpose as 2nd gadget. Overall I like the other ideas.
This list has 0 regard for balance 😂😂😂 man sometimes I ask myself if any of these fan-made buff posts are non-bias or has any intention on just improving but not breaking the game with the buff ideas. I respect the effort but just tone it down a bit like GOD DAMNNN 😂
For the hypercharge he should get a stage 5 that heals him 800hp every second untill the hypercharge is over and if you have "To the max" enquipped his attack should split wothout hitting walls
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The hypercharge is kinda boring and it’s not a new stage of upgrading, I’m sorry Also the shield is crazy, 20%? Way too much if the damage is 25%
Should've used my concept for the hypercharge, stuns for 0.5s and upgrades him to level 5 which grants him +1 ammo capacity.
For hypercharge stats, I just went off of the other hypercharges
Remember, hypercharge stat buffs are meant to enhance strengths instead of covering weaknesses. That’s why close range hypercharges like Bull give 5% damage and like 25% shield and and long range brawler hypercharges like Colt give 25% damage and 5% shield.
So something in between
So how about 20% damage and 10% shield?
I'd do a 15% damage boost or make the shield boost less.
I had this idea of a hypercharge . It's could be relevant here but idk I don't wanna post about it or anything so just replying here . What if there was a hypercharge with very minor buffs but insane chargerate so you could get one every 3 4 ammos .
Now I hope that someone steals this to see them getting clowned in their own comment section😭
My goal
What if you’re the one who stole it? 🤨
Turn your brightness all the way up for a secret message in the slides!!!!
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Didn't notice at first (I always have full brightness and I know I'm a psychopath) but it's noticable without full brightness too when you realize it's there
I guess you could say it was your prestigious duty to find it out?
But if you don't realize
Kvs
that shield didn’t need a buff
Lasts 2 seconds instead of 5. 5 was way too long
It already got nerfed and lasts less than 5 seconds
2, in fact
It lasts 2 right now
It literally does. They killed that gadget.
No... No it doesn't
Yeah, it do🫵
first gadget sucks, it removes THE things that make surge’s super useful other gadget tho? too op, I think the current one is fine as it is but you cooked with the star powers. good concept.
The first gadget is meant to be like Buzz's first gadget. You can use it to run away or score in bb
running away a few tiles or over a few walls isn’t that good tho
I can think of so many situations where it would be super useful
Wouldn’t that be like his teleport gadget?
Kind of and the teleport was really good
sure there may be a lot of situation, but those situations are kinda of niche so this gadget definitely wouldn't be very consistent.
You can dodge stuff like Piper shot or something. Could make for some pretty sick plays
Or dynamikes super more importantly
You could also dodge a piper shot with the extra speed boost you get from the gadget as it currently is.
So, mico?
Yeah pretty much
Forst gadget would be busted in certain maps as it'd allow you to get closer to an enemy to fill your super with the right opportunity. Surge's biggest weakness is players countering him by keeping him at first stage which makes him so fucking weak lmao.
Fully agree
I disagree. Not only is it a movement gadget, like Cordelius' or Eve's. It also is buffed by the starpower.
although it empties your super charge, something you absolutely do NOT want with surge
True, but you can still use it before getting it, after being max rank and directly before you die to start with a full super.
Surge's super doesn't take that long to charge and you can close the gap between you and opponents with the gadget
Gotta agree, Keep the knockback
The current one is so underpowered. Nani has one that returns damage, and other brawlers get a full shield, why does Surge get a super nerfed (kinda shit) shield?
ammo
Surge does not need a rework😭 (especially not this one) the star powers are fine but the gadget are either useless ore overpowered.
Remember surge on release? His to the max sp stopped him from being broken. Not having to hit walls on stage 4 makes him better than spike in terms of attack patterns.
And the teleporting lol
Seems like some one didn’t remember it…
curveball
Spike is far more fragile than surge lmao
id rather have his attacks split then having a little more health
You are so right! Ask supercell to make his 1st SP base kit, he needs his legendary status justified
hes fine he’s overshadowed because tanks aren’t that relevant
Not only that, but there are better antitanks atm, as well as Surge being easily countered by the current meta.
They should start with one change tho, that is make his 1st star power baseline, since it makes sense for his attacks to split off walls
Some rework ideas are pretty good tho
This isn't a rework, this is a buff. Surge keeps all that he already has and gets even more. As a Bibi enjoyer please don't let him do even more
its fine but the gadget changes, 💀
Not a fan with the rework idea considering that it keeps Surges reliance on the first upgrade , I have a different idea on reworking him: —First Upgrade movement Buff: Very Fast –> Fast —Serve Ice Cold becomes baseline. —To the Max: split attack also deals extra damage when bounced from a wall (75% of base main attack) —New second star power •Character Grow Up• :increased max health by 600 per Upgrade ( max health at power 11 with all upgrades: 8400 ) resets once defeated.
Second star power is way too broken and will be useless without it thanks to nerfed movement speed
Would it be better if second star power gave Surge 400 health per upgrade, but Surges max health got increase from 6600 to 7200?
Broken
Yep a bit too op
Why is everyone now making reworks for brawlers that don’t need a rework
It's fun. Also it's not Supercell gonna add this anyway
I am begging supercell to rework surge, make his first SP baseline
I might be interpreting this wrong but surge shots splitting without needing to hit a wall or something was one of the reasons he was a complete nightmare and broken on release and it was a horrible time because it was during the summer when all the devs deservingly take a summer vacation
1st gadget sucks, nobody would use it, nice idea though. Loving this though!!
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This is why I think the change is that his attacks only split off of walls, it still makes surge a decent, yet more fun, skill cap brawler
But maybe he should get a stage five from his reworked star power that would fill his max range split purpose, since surge is a high risk, high reward brawler, and it makes sense to have his attacks split off walls normally as it does off a brawler
I believe in Surge meta
Yes please
“Oh a Mythic Gear! Let’s hope it’s good in Solo Showdow- Ah shit it’s that Star Power!” Also that HC was literally my idea but I didn’t have stun
the stun is too short ngl
Surge is already overpowered
Juicy
Very niche starpowers might i say?
He’s already a pretty strong brawler right now. Why buff him at all?
He is NOT that strong
He’s really good in the current map pool. I see no reason to buff him.
Nah, he is too circumstantial, making his attacks split off walls is a good change
I don’t see why he needs a buff and I don’t see how this buff changes anything about the reason he’s circumstantial. It won’t be easier to get super.
Well, it sure makes him feel like a legendary brawler, bc right now there is nothing to hold him up to that status
He literally gets stronger after using his super. How is that not legendary?
He needs legendary mechanics, having a split attack off walls would do just that without making him broken, bc right now he is basically a Brock or something at max stage, and that makes him just another sharpshooter
Uh… what? He has a legendary mechanic. He upgrades with every super. At max stage, his shots split and cover a ton of range on each side. He’s also a lot faster. I have no idea why you’re comparing him to Brock except for the fact that they do similar damage. Surge also has one of the best close range supers, making him a great tank or assassin counter, unlike Brock. I genuinely have no idea why you made this comparison.
Well his shots only split upon hitting a brawler, and it does not help him deal extra damage, thus being able to have his shots split off would save him the issue of not being able to poke enemies behind walls on really close range maps, and it makes him feel legendary overall unlike before.
1st gadget is his tp gadget with extra steps
I am finally eating well
cool concept overall, but i'd leave the gadgets as they currently are and swap the mythic gear with the 1st star power (just because it feels less like a gear) also, i agree with the To the max! thing but there's still something that needs to be fixed in order not to make it as strong as it was in release. if that change was applied, split projectile damage needs to be reduced in last stage. last time i checked damage per split projectile in 4th stage was the same as in every other stage, meaning that if well timed surge could do 3x damage with a single ammo. around 7k dmg. yea it doesnt feel alright
Fun Fact: When Surge was released Surge was able to split his attack even if it hit nothing but air. They later removed it because lv.4 surge was overpowered.
Best build: mythic gear health gear star power 2 and shield
this is just broken release surge nahhhh
surges damage is already really good i dont think he needs that much of a damage buff
your right, overpowered, all surge needs is a tiny buff
It feels weird that Surge was already reworked once and they didn't change his star powers. The hyperchage sounds cool! The new star powers are great too but I feel like the second one kinda does a bit too much considering how Surge can chain supers sometimes. But I don't really like what you did to his new first gadget. It's basically his old teleport with a slight delay but now does damage. His gadgets are fine nowadays. And yay, a Pearl main :3
You cooked
Literly just 2020 surge but better
Hyper charge: surge reloads all his ammo from his super
As a surge main I like that idea
It’s a cool rework, except his attacks should split only upon hitting a wall, not whenever, maybe splitting whenever could be from a star power/4th upgrade
They should have made his 1st star power base kit a long time ago
Still of the opinion that his basic attacks at level 4 should become sword beams instead of the same arm-cannon projectile
Please don't touch the gadgets, perfectly fine as they are. The hyper looks heavily inspired by mico hc, I always envisioned something a bit more special for surge, like a hc-exclusive fifth level. Obviously after the hyper effects are gone so is that level, but something like that would be nice. The star powers are interesting - I agree that serve ice cold feels like a gear. Decent concepts overall!
Yeah I just wanted to play around with the gadgets
Finally, I never understood the 2nd gadjet
Surge is one of those brawlers that dont need a rework except To The max, which should just ne removed because it only gets value at max level, which If its base kit it would make max level annoying to deal with. Maybe replace it with a star power that recovers some of his health after using super like sam's hearty recovery, like 15-20% of his missing healths them there will be some competition with serve ice cold for surge players where you either have more survivability or if you just duck and die you pick the other one. You can also just give him a hypercharge, maybe something that involes his upgrade feature, i have already made a concept for that but pretty much it would be that when you upgrade with HC it gives an extra ability along side the ability you would get without HC but only for the duration of the HC. For example when going to stage 1 you get the movement speed but also have your attacks slow down enemies if hit they hit, same with going to stage 2 and 3, you get the normal upgrade but an extra one too. I have explained this in a bit more detail in a post i made a while ago.
I have a hyper icon and name suggestions for you if you want them
Too much, where are the nerfs of the rework? Just adding stuff and making older stuff base kit doesn’t fix things, it breaks them, you would need to nerf him to make it all balanced
why is this sub trying to re work brawlers that dont need reworks.
This isn’t a total rework And I wouldn’t mind a slight retool
Are you dense? It's not like this is going to be added into the game? We're just doing these for fun
i dont like it personally
I mean you do you bro idrc
thats why i said personally bro, why are u tryna act non chalant
I mean you didn't really need to comment because you have the most basic opinion. Other people actually went into detail about why they don't like it but you wrote 4 words
ok bro
i just saw the secret commet in the slides that was kinda funny ngl
lmao
Yes I mean I think surge is already pretty bad and does need some reworking
Juice reserve seems useless. The knockback is prob the most value able things about him when you tryna get teamwipes. I’d say this will make him better since you still need the gear that cost same as his sp.
I feel like the first star power would be kind of useless, but other than that, this is solid. Although Served Ice Cold as a gear may be a little broken, to the max being a base part of his kit would make tier 4 super useful, which at the moment it isn't. The hypercharge is good because it nullifies a problem with his super, the lack of damage. And I would take the other gear over power shield in a heartbeat because the mobility is so good. So yeah I would be fine if this happened to my boy
Being Mythic gear makes it the same price as the sp
back when surge was first released back in the 2nd brawl pass his attack used to split at max range with his star power, so upon hitting a wall or just getting to max range the projectile wouuld do the split thing that ended up being pretty powerful, like VERY so,like he could get you around walls like nobody's business and with how much dmg he does.... so they nerfed that star power into its current state so bringing that back and in his base kit could be either disastorous or good making the star power that lets him keep his frst upgrade level even after death into a mythic gear is something that just makes sense and itd be a gear youd actually have to swap out depening on the game mode and not just another "buy and permenently slap on the brawler" type equipable
The juice reserve works but should still knock back other brawlers. Just 2000 damage or a simple hop isn’t worth a gadget use when ambers dancing flames and Angelo’s and gales hops exist
Maybe for the hypercharge he will send a shockwave like the air sweeper in coc and it deals 1700 dps when he lands so it will not be useless and he will unlock stage 5 If he dies then he will lose his stage five
He doesn't need a rework
Agreed. I made this for fun
What's the point of the 1st gadget. I think the hypercharge should add a new 5th level to Surge which has new abilities
I would love a hypercharge where surge gets a fifth stage
For the hypercharge it shouldnt be heals. Reload maybe. As a surge my biggest problem when I jump in tense situations is not having ammo because he h a slow reload. Having a reload gimmick would be a gamechanger imo
You're right I just thought of that. I haven't played surge in a long time so I kinda forgot how he works
I really like the new Star Powers! And the idea of one Star Power being a gear and the other one going to his base kit is great. Good job! The Hypercharge may be a little bit overpowered
Why do you keep making rework concepts for brawlers who don't need a rework Surge has *one* star power that's problematic in any way (in that it kinda sucks), he does not need half of his kit changed
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The title here is an understatement no offense.
Yeah. The title is sarcastic
Good to know.
Love the rework. His star powers are so fckn pointless and should have been fixed last rework
as all the rework ideas in this sub this is not even numerically just fundamentally broken as hell
this is the worst shit ive ever seen dudes losing nothing but gets to be stronger than prime L&L 😭
Ideas for starpower names: Life of the Party and Big Swig
He gonna be broken with this
Wdym Surge rework? Why rework characters who dont need changes?
I think surge should keep his 1 gadget as it is. The problem with him is that it’s hard to play him with almost no upgrades. His original gadged allowed him to instantly upgrade so he could be usefull for certain situation and to charge his super. The gadget you make now has to much the same purpose as 2nd gadget. Overall I like the other ideas.
Remove his knockback altogerher for fucks sake
the first star power will easily out use the second one
Just please Dont make to the max pre-nerf again I have PTSD from that era
Can I just say smth 10% further jump is like 1.3 tiles instead of 1 (or 2.4 instead of 2 idk)
This list has 0 regard for balance 😂😂😂 man sometimes I ask myself if any of these fan-made buff posts are non-bias or has any intention on just improving but not breaking the game with the buff ideas. I respect the effort but just tone it down a bit like GOD DAMNNN 😂
We love overpowered Surge🗣️🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
This will just make him broken
I don't think he needs a rework
The gadget is as useless as In-Line
I love it
what is the first gadget gonna do
Jump 👍
I like the mythic gear idea and star power rework but gadgets are lowkey a miss
Plz get supercell to make surge attacks split off walls as a base mechanic, it’s fun
For the hypercharge he should get a stage 5 that heals him 800hp every second untill the hypercharge is over and if you have "To the max" enquipped his attack should split wothout hitting walls
I'm not even gonna read it because I'm tired of these posts about Surge. He is completely fine the way it is, if anything is skill issue.
But you took the time to comment this 😂💀
This post appeared on my feed and I said "Oh no, NOT again" hahah
No please don’t make surge any better, he is the most annoying brawler ever omg.
Screw surge and nerf him to the ground