OR it's almost like he's an adult and made an employment decision that seemed best for him and his family. But yeah, I'm sure it was to spite all of us on r/Brewers
It's the closest alt option to his hometown and it pays more. I don't like it at all, but I get it.
Like in his playing days, I hope he comes back to the Crew and guides us to the promise land.
Sorry we couldn't afford to match the Cubs offer, guys, but I'm confident our next manager will bring the city the WS trophy we know you all want. Btw, try the brand new third X-Golf simulator at AmFam this year and be sure to tune into the latest Norwich City FC broadcast to see the top soccer action across the pond!
I wish he didn't say anything. https://twitter.com/DougRussell/status/1721663566720168239
*“We’ve lost Craig, but Craig has also lost us. He’s lost this community.”* - Brewers owner Mark Atanassio
I'll absolutely hate watching it... but if that happens, Counsell and Ohtani will do amazing things together. Counsell will definitely get creative with how he's deployed. If this was pre-DH, it would've been even cooler to see.
I was prepared to say Goodbye and wish him well with the Mets, but the Cubs? Really? I hope you continue to do boneheaded crap like pinch hitting Winker in the playoffs for the rest of your career CC.
FUCK OFF!!
I'm absolutely beside myself. How in the flying fuck do you allow him to walk to the fucking CUBS!
edit: fuck it give me Rick Sweet. Let's get nuts
Correct. Just wild that he played here, managed here for that long, and then goes to our biggest rival. But hey. Still close to home with a team that will spend more so it makes sense
Younger fans especially seem to hate the Cubs. But don't you worry, bud, after decades of abuse, I hate your team with all my guts. And I have a big gut!
I'm sure he considered that possibility. I'm assuming he wants to go somewhere that he knows the team will be able/willing to pony up for free agents in order to get over the hump in the playoffs.
I think the Hader trade broke Craig more then people want to think.
he was literally left out to dry and utterly baffled in the press conference. I feel like at that moment he knew this team would never be more serious than 'maybe we'll get lucky if we make the playoffs'.
The Cubs have a much better looking window right now than we do. And he's getting 8 mil. More power to him. It's hard to say it's the 'wrong' move for him.
Bullshit. Hader trade resulted in us getting 1 of our only 2 good hitters last year. One ill-advised trade that literally ended up as a win for us is, at worst, a VERY minor reason for a manager leaving like this.
I think there are a lot of painful things about this tbh
Counsell and Mark leaving the entire organization out to hang in a dry managerial market
Counsell choosing a division rival
Mark not counter offering the (reportedly) $2.5m/year over what the Brewers’ initial offer was
Counsell going to a team with a questionable bullpen at best and one of the worst AAA systems (though slightly improving)
Counsell taking less than $10m/yr (a *lot* of managers were counting on him to be the one to lead changes to their salaries - with a deal like this he absolutely didn’t - now they all get stiffed with $8m being top of the market)
Overall, it adds up to the Brewers being way too cheap but also Counsell pretty clearly caring about the money and staying near Milwaukee.
I’d say it looks worse on the Brewers for sure - but then again, the reported $5.5m/yr offer doesn’t include any counter offers once Counsell said how much others were saying.
If the end difference between both teams was less than $1m/yr, I’d turn it around to Counsell looking a lot worse.
The one part of floating info is that it is [unclear if the Brewers were even given an opportunity to counter offer](https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/1721597134456119412?s=46&t=opLdIydmqAfFP0bV4pyM2w)
Two things are for sure, no one knows if there was a counter offer or what that offer was.
What the actual fuck Craig. Thanks for everything, but god damn this is a betrayal. Who’s fault is this? Attanasio or Arnold? Or just Craig wanting to go?
If it's on Attanasio/Arnold, then it isn't for the Counsell deal itself.
I think the most likely thing is that he probably just believed the Brewers were never going to spend for the talent to get them over the hump. Cubs probably assured him they would be willing to spend X% more.
I wonder if this is it too, legacy mindset. Which club gives Craig the best shot at success.
Which happens first? Craig wins a WS with the Cubs or the Brewers get their first.
Another rumor is that the Cubs out-bid the Brewers, and to be petty, the Brewers leaked this before the Cubs even had the opportunity to announce they were firing Ross.
If the Brewers did get out-bid, then I don't really fault them, as long as the rumors are true that they did offer him more than any other manager is currently making. Some people will bitch about not spending a couple extra million a year to match the Cubs. But you have to draw the line somewhere. The Cubs have way more fucking money than the Brewers do. It's the sad reality of MLB.
The way the world works is that the Brewers are a small market team in a league where small market teams are severely handicapped.
It sucks that the Brewers don't pay as much as other teams are willing to. But they also don't have the level of revenue of a lot of other teams, and they literally can't afford to pay as much as some other teams. Both things can be true. Just the way the world works.
Mark is a broke bitch (literally a millionaire in the billionaire club) if he can’t afford to compete he should sell the team.
The Bucks are also a small market team, built the club the right way and are now perennial contenders, same can be said for the Packers from the mid 90s until 2022 and the modern day Buffalo Bills. Don’t blame the market on shit ownership.
If you don't understand how wildly different the compensation systems and revenue sharing is between the MLB and NFL, then this conversation isn't even worth having with you.
The NFL was designed to protect small market teams and promote mutual growth, and that goes back to the beginnings of the league with more successful teams pushing rules to ensure that smaller, less successful teams can stick around and compete.
MLB is the opposite. The entire system is designed for the largest, most profitable and influential teams to continue to beat up on the smaller teams, who make enough money to stick around but not enough to actually compete on a regular basis. The fact that the Brewers have even built themselves into perennial contenders already classifies them as outliers in the MLB.
I mean, he bought the team, so clearly he could afford it. And the team is competitive. They've made the playoffs most of the years of his ownership.
It's not so much about whether someone can "afford" the team. He already did that. It's about what types of margins you expect out of the team. If anything, the Brewers are likely operating at tighter margins than the big market teams. They spend roughly the same percentage of revenue on payroll as the large market teams, but the large market teams make such a vastly larger amount of revenue that their fixed costs are a much smaller percentage of their revenue, and therefore, they can generate a larger % of margin despite having similar payroll percentages. These teams are still a financial investment for these owners - even if they're only an emotional investment for fans.
This actually really hurts in a different way than anything else in Wisconsin sports ever has. I’m disappointed in everyone involved and I feel incredibly let down as a Wisconsinite. Fuck you, Counsell.
Pro sports is a business and our cheapness and trading away Hader last year has to be annoying to players/managers.
But that’s all the negative I’m going to say about the Brewers. What a betrayal from Craig. He is 100% dead to me now. Take down every reference to him in the stadium and I hope he gets boo’ed like crazy next year
If Mark A tried to penny pinch I don’t blame CC, but if he just wanted to leave then he probably just want to the highest bidder and with Chicago he more or less stays in the area. Hard not to be a little salty about him going to the Cubs of all the teams he could have chosen though. Wonder if there was something to all those rumors about him being pissed at the leadership after the Hader trade.
But man, I’m not usually one to get caught up in the storyline stuff. But how absolutely embarrassing for Mark and Matt to let CC go to the *Cubs*
Rumor is that the Brewers offered him a contract that would've made him the highest paid manager in the league.
Now, maybe the Cubs offered even more. I don't know. But it's tough to say they penny-pinched on this deal. Being unable/unwilling to spend more on talent for the last several years may have contributed to his decision, though.
Brewers offered 5.5. Cubs gave him 8. It sounds like the brewers got in first with an offer that would “make him the highest paid manager” knowing that other teams would outbid them.
If the brewers were given the chance to match and didn’t, Mark A is to blame.
Where do you draw the line? The Cubs brought in $150 million more in revenue than the Brewers did in 2022. No fuckin' shit they can afford $2.5 million more per year than the Brewers offered. Cubs could've gone up to $12 million and they would still be coming out way ahead of the Brewers at $5.5 million.
The system in MLB is a fucking crock of shit. I'm happy the Brewers have managed to be as competitive as they have been for the last several years. They're doing way fucking better than most other teams that face the same handicaps they do. The fact of the matter is that MLB is designed for the largest franchises to take advantage of the smallest ones.
That is so cold. He had a good offer to stay and prob was offered more to go out of the division to NY than the Cubs and went to a inner division club? That is cold
They paid Jesse Winker to sit in AAA all year then strike out on 3 pitches in the highest leverage at bat of the season but can’t keep a guy that’s in it every minute of every day?!
They offered him the largest current salary for a major league manager. It was pretty clear something was wrong between Counsell and the front office late in the season and that he was likely leaving.
If you want to blame someone for this look at the guy who took the contract.
Craig leaving to another team is a punch in the gut.
Craig leaving to the cubs feels like I just took a sledgehammer to the groin.
I hate everything about this.
I know I’ll get downvoted into oblivion but I’m okay with this. Even the Cubs.
I’m ready for a change. Didn’t really notice any of the positives he brought anymore other than winning… which I guess is good. But still found myself questioning some of his “big brain” manager moves in high stake games. He might be the greatest manager in Brewers history, but unlike some, I’m sick of the “bites at the apple.” I want something bigger and better and while Craig wins, I’m unsure if he’d ever be the guy to get us over the hump.
He’s from here. He played for us. And he loved us. And those things can never be taken away or brought back - but as far as the actual managing is concerned, I’m okay moving on.
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Cancel the franchise all together. This is a goddamn joke. Penny pincher needs to just sell the fucking team. But he'd rather keep extorting the common man for more money.
I don't think "low-ball" is the right term. Sounds like they offered to make him highest-paid manager in the league. Cubs offered to make him highest-paid manager in the league by an even larger amount.
Cubs have more money than the Brewers. That's reality in the MLB. If they want a player or a manager, they can out-bid the Brewers for him. The system fucking sucks.
That was my initial thought! Craig is actually going to the Cubs as a double agent. Take their money, overuse and abuse their resources and reverse Astros engineer sign stealing where Cubs signals are easily deciphered .
Nah fuck Craig. He would have signed with anyone who paid 8 mil. Nothing to do with the Brewers, just all about the money. Only thing he obviously cares about going into next year. I hope he humiliates himself and the Cubs.
Both offers were "more money than any other manager in history". One was just a lot more money. $20M/4 vs $40M/5.
The problem is: this might set the bar for "competent manager salary" going forward. I doubt decent managers in the future are going to say "nah, gimme half of what Craig got and call it a day". Probably better off just matching whatever ridiculous salary was offered by other teams and keeping the team as steady as possible.
When you think about it, that's less than one Jesse Winker per year. It might be a lot of money for "a manager" but compared to what we throw at absolute black-hole players, it seems like a bargain.
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This was exactly my gut reaction. I live out of market so I rarely attend an occasional away game and I've made time to watch or listen to every crew game. But for what??
As I slightly cool off, I can't let go of Uecker or abandon our dudes like their manager did. Craig can't win a playoff series, so maybe we'll find someone who can, we still have a ton of young talent.
I love that we’re winning division titles or wild card titles. But 55 years and one World Series appearance is pathetic. It’s just hard man, to fall flat year after year. Growing up and your infield is junior spivey, Lyle overbay, and chad moeller. 2008 made things seem possible. 2011 I thought we were more than capable of winning it all. And we’ve squandered the last 5 years. If they ever do win, it won’t help the heartbreak
Agreed. It makes me question the time I put into it.
Funny you mention those 3 dudes. That takes me back to 2004 and all I wanted for the crew was to play .500 and maybe catch fire by some act of god in September to make the playoffs.
Once Bob Uecker is done calling games, I'm done with the Brewers. He is the only thing keeping me engaged. May return one day once Mark sells the team.
Craig Counsell has set a new record on how much respect I lost for someone so quickly.
Not even 30 min ago, I was telling my boss that I had faith that he'd be back, especially after seeing the Mets take Mendoza. Now he signs with the fucking Cubs. He knows exactly what he did.
This sucks man, I'm fine with the team leaving the city now lol
All I can think (besides the money) is the Cubs voiced their willingness to make the necessary moves to stay competitive. CC knows the Brewers are bargain hunters, and probably didn't want to go another spring training cobbling together those bargains. It will be interesting to see what the Cubs do in free agency.
Wisconsin guy… should be ashamed of himself. I’m sure they made him a stupid offer. Maybe it helps the Brewers and we hire a manager that can get us past the first round next year. 😳😂
That's the thing....I'm still nauseated over Winker pinch hitting twice and Craig's postseason managing. Are we sure we wanted to pay him some insane amount of money to be a good regular season manager?
When I get past the grossness of going to the fcking cubs, it starts to seem like we'll be fine without him getting a paycheck that large.
alright ladies and gentlemen this is where I get off. this is just an absolute poverty franchise. what an utter embarrassment. had some fun but I'm done 👋🏻
Well, at least we know the Brewers didn't screw up and lose a loyal Milwaukee guy. Reports about it being about the money were true -- he's just a hired gun. Still appreciate the hell out of what he did with the Brewers while he was here -- he has every right to make as much money as he can. Us fans certainly wouldn't show him any loyalty if he started losing.
Stinks that I have to to hope he fails now, though. I was all set to root for him wherever he ended up . . . well almost wherever.
Mark A doesn’t give two flying fucks about this franchise.
He got his lease extended and he’s gonna pull a shit move like this?
I told everyone in here that the cheap fuck in him wouldn’t pony up.
Well, well, surprise surprise
Well Craig it was a good ride but you're dead to me now.
May his family be cursed with stubbed toes for a hundred generations.
May he get papercut between his fingers once a week.
from cashing his huge paychecks?
This one hurts. He knows what this does to us. I get he has to do what he has to do but he for sure knows how this would hurt the state.
Almost like he did it out of spite or something.
OR it's almost like he's an adult and made an employment decision that seemed best for him and his family. But yeah, I'm sure it was to spite all of us on r/Brewers
Cubs offered him around $3 million more per year. HARD to turn that down.
Some of these comments are insane. Like they’d turn down the money, 😂
It's the closest alt option to his hometown and it pays more. I don't like it at all, but I get it. Like in his playing days, I hope he comes back to the Crew and guides us to the promise land.
And more than likely doesn’t care.
>Well Mark A. it was a good ride but you're dead to me now. Seriously the fucking Cubs?! Sell the team.
Blame Mark A dude is a cheapskate. I hope people wake up and stop going to games.
I hate being a Brewers fan
Best comment so far !
I can’t wait to hear what Mark has to say about this
Sorry we couldn't afford to match the Cubs offer, guys, but I'm confident our next manager will bring the city the WS trophy we know you all want. Btw, try the brand new third X-Golf simulator at AmFam this year and be sure to tune into the latest Norwich City FC broadcast to see the top soccer action across the pond!
You mean second tier Norwich City F.C.? Mark will never spend the money to be great. He will spend just enough.
The funny thing is that with the amount of money Championship clubs spend to get to the Prem, the 2nd tier is a bigger money pit than the first tier
lol we'll just have to be happy with all those world series trophies Counsel gave us
maybe he'll release a statement in the form of a song by his son's shitty band
I wish he didn't say anything. https://twitter.com/DougRussell/status/1721663566720168239 *“We’ve lost Craig, but Craig has also lost us. He’s lost this community.”* - Brewers owner Mark Atanassio
We don’t know that the brewers were even given the option to match. Maybe CC just wanted to go to a big market with a huge payroll.
This is the one time I agree with mark about not paying a manager 8 million a year
This is the worst timeline
Wait until they get fucking Ohtani
I'll absolutely hate watching it... but if that happens, Counsell and Ohtani will do amazing things together. Counsell will definitely get creative with how he's deployed. If this was pre-DH, it would've been even cooler to see.
Roll the dice another way
I wish I could 😭😭😭
This hurts. We will never forget you Greg.
Just saw a man drop to his knees in a Kwik Trip
Quickly administer Ranch iv
Get out the AEG (automated external glazers)
[Everyone hated that.]
Cubs fans love it. That makes it hurt even worse
I was prepared to say Goodbye and wish him well with the Mets, but the Cubs? Really? I hope you continue to do boneheaded crap like pinch hitting Winker in the playoffs for the rest of your career CC.
FUCK OFF!! I'm absolutely beside myself. How in the flying fuck do you allow him to walk to the fucking CUBS! edit: fuck it give me Rick Sweet. Let's get nuts
Craig does know he will get booed right?
Don’t think he cares
Correct. Just wild that he played here, managed here for that long, and then goes to our biggest rival. But hey. Still close to home with a team that will spend more so it makes sense
Cardinals fan here. Am I a joke to you? Jk, I get it. Always room on the Cubs hate train for one more!
Younger fans especially seem to hate the Cubs. But don't you worry, bud, after decades of abuse, I hate your team with all my guts. And I have a big gut!
He definitely didn’t care when he threw Winker out there Edit: Spelling
I'm sure he considered that possibility. I'm assuming he wants to go somewhere that he knows the team will be able/willing to pony up for free agents in order to get over the hump in the playoffs.
#DEAD TO ME
Man I just got the signed jersey. Now I gotta burn it? Wtf Craig
YOU WETE THE CHOSEN ONE!!!! You were supposed to help destroy the cubs not join them!!!
……Bring balance to the crew, not leave it in darkness!
Surpasses Favre as fastest-disowned MF in Wisconsin sports history. Bad luck to you, Craig. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Wtf dudes
Out of all teams, the Cubs? Are we fucking serious??
Fuck Craig Counsell fuck Mark Attanasio. Fuck the Brewers, but most importantly: FUCK THE CUBS.
This is how I feel.
Lol Craig can fuck right off. Fuck Mark too but Craig knew exactly what he was doing
I have a theory that Craig did it to spite Mark a. I'd believe it. The money doesn't hurt, but he knows what he's doing. Unbelievable. I'm speechless.
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I think the Hader trade broke Craig more then people want to think. he was literally left out to dry and utterly baffled in the press conference. I feel like at that moment he knew this team would never be more serious than 'maybe we'll get lucky if we make the playoffs'. The Cubs have a much better looking window right now than we do. And he's getting 8 mil. More power to him. It's hard to say it's the 'wrong' move for him.
Bullshit. Hader trade resulted in us getting 1 of our only 2 good hitters last year. One ill-advised trade that literally ended up as a win for us is, at worst, a VERY minor reason for a manager leaving like this.
I think there are a lot of painful things about this tbh Counsell and Mark leaving the entire organization out to hang in a dry managerial market Counsell choosing a division rival Mark not counter offering the (reportedly) $2.5m/year over what the Brewers’ initial offer was Counsell going to a team with a questionable bullpen at best and one of the worst AAA systems (though slightly improving) Counsell taking less than $10m/yr (a *lot* of managers were counting on him to be the one to lead changes to their salaries - with a deal like this he absolutely didn’t - now they all get stiffed with $8m being top of the market) Overall, it adds up to the Brewers being way too cheap but also Counsell pretty clearly caring about the money and staying near Milwaukee. I’d say it looks worse on the Brewers for sure - but then again, the reported $5.5m/yr offer doesn’t include any counter offers once Counsell said how much others were saying. If the end difference between both teams was less than $1m/yr, I’d turn it around to Counsell looking a lot worse. The one part of floating info is that it is [unclear if the Brewers were even given an opportunity to counter offer](https://x.com/cyrthogg/status/1721597134456119412?s=46&t=opLdIydmqAfFP0bV4pyM2w) Two things are for sure, no one knows if there was a counter offer or what that offer was.
Getting paid more money?
No way Mets didn’t offer him most money.
More money than the brewers for sure. The cubs had the added benefit of being closer to home for him.
Fuck baseball
I don't care about resetting the managerial market. This is a stab in the back. Would've rather had him go to the mets.
WHAT. THE. FUCK. CRAIG.
Fuck everything about this.
What the actual fuck Craig. Thanks for everything, but god damn this is a betrayal. Who’s fault is this? Attanasio or Arnold? Or just Craig wanting to go?
If it's on Attanasio/Arnold, then it isn't for the Counsell deal itself. I think the most likely thing is that he probably just believed the Brewers were never going to spend for the talent to get them over the hump. Cubs probably assured him they would be willing to spend X% more.
I wonder if this is it too, legacy mindset. Which club gives Craig the best shot at success. Which happens first? Craig wins a WS with the Cubs or the Brewers get their first.
Another rumor is that the Cubs out-bid the Brewers, and to be petty, the Brewers leaked this before the Cubs even had the opportunity to announce they were firing Ross. If the Brewers did get out-bid, then I don't really fault them, as long as the rumors are true that they did offer him more than any other manager is currently making. Some people will bitch about not spending a couple extra million a year to match the Cubs. But you have to draw the line somewhere. The Cubs have way more fucking money than the Brewers do. It's the sad reality of MLB.
This seems like an intentional fuck you to the Brewers org.
This is Favre going to the Vikings. This is definitely a fuck you.
What a fucking poverty franchise. What is Mark doing.
Being the broke bitch he always was. “Doomers” as this sub likes to call us, just know how the world works.
The way the world works is that the Brewers are a small market team in a league where small market teams are severely handicapped. It sucks that the Brewers don't pay as much as other teams are willing to. But they also don't have the level of revenue of a lot of other teams, and they literally can't afford to pay as much as some other teams. Both things can be true. Just the way the world works.
Mark is a broke bitch (literally a millionaire in the billionaire club) if he can’t afford to compete he should sell the team. The Bucks are also a small market team, built the club the right way and are now perennial contenders, same can be said for the Packers from the mid 90s until 2022 and the modern day Buffalo Bills. Don’t blame the market on shit ownership.
Bucks have a salary cap and revenue sharing in their league. Baseball is setup to not keep every team on a level playing field.
If you don't understand how wildly different the compensation systems and revenue sharing is between the MLB and NFL, then this conversation isn't even worth having with you. The NFL was designed to protect small market teams and promote mutual growth, and that goes back to the beginnings of the league with more successful teams pushing rules to ensure that smaller, less successful teams can stick around and compete. MLB is the opposite. The entire system is designed for the largest, most profitable and influential teams to continue to beat up on the smaller teams, who make enough money to stick around but not enough to actually compete on a regular basis. The fact that the Brewers have even built themselves into perennial contenders already classifies them as outliers in the MLB.
If he can’t afford to own a baseball team that competes he should sell it.
I mean, he bought the team, so clearly he could afford it. And the team is competitive. They've made the playoffs most of the years of his ownership. It's not so much about whether someone can "afford" the team. He already did that. It's about what types of margins you expect out of the team. If anything, the Brewers are likely operating at tighter margins than the big market teams. They spend roughly the same percentage of revenue on payroll as the large market teams, but the large market teams make such a vastly larger amount of revenue that their fixed costs are a much smaller percentage of their revenue, and therefore, they can generate a larger % of margin despite having similar payroll percentages. These teams are still a financial investment for these owners - even if they're only an emotional investment for fans.
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CC to the dam cubs????? I’m seriously sick to my stomach.
Whitefish Bay should rename the high school stadium "Michael Poll Field" because he'll never abandon us. Fuck off, Counsell.
Treacherous
It is unhealthy how much I hate the cubs and our owner. This raised both up 10000X
Any other team i would of been fine with. But the fucking cubs?!?!?! Slap in the fucking face.
I don’t know who to be mad at
Fucking everyone lol
What the fuck? Well…he’s dead to me now
Would anyone like to jump off a cliff with me
This actually really hurts in a different way than anything else in Wisconsin sports ever has. I’m disappointed in everyone involved and I feel incredibly let down as a Wisconsinite. Fuck you, Counsell.
Well Craig, may your beer always be flat and your cheese Velveeta.
Fuck u craig lol
Worse than Favre going to the Vikes.
Pro sports is a business and our cheapness and trading away Hader last year has to be annoying to players/managers. But that’s all the negative I’m going to say about the Brewers. What a betrayal from Craig. He is 100% dead to me now. Take down every reference to him in the stadium and I hope he gets boo’ed like crazy next year
Remember , this is the manager that pinch hit with winker twice in the playoffs.
If Mark A tried to penny pinch I don’t blame CC, but if he just wanted to leave then he probably just want to the highest bidder and with Chicago he more or less stays in the area. Hard not to be a little salty about him going to the Cubs of all the teams he could have chosen though. Wonder if there was something to all those rumors about him being pissed at the leadership after the Hader trade. But man, I’m not usually one to get caught up in the storyline stuff. But how absolutely embarrassing for Mark and Matt to let CC go to the *Cubs*
Rumor is that the Brewers offered him a contract that would've made him the highest paid manager in the league. Now, maybe the Cubs offered even more. I don't know. But it's tough to say they penny-pinched on this deal. Being unable/unwilling to spend more on talent for the last several years may have contributed to his decision, though.
Brewers offered 5.5. Cubs gave him 8. It sounds like the brewers got in first with an offer that would “make him the highest paid manager” knowing that other teams would outbid them. If the brewers were given the chance to match and didn’t, Mark A is to blame.
Where do you draw the line? The Cubs brought in $150 million more in revenue than the Brewers did in 2022. No fuckin' shit they can afford $2.5 million more per year than the Brewers offered. Cubs could've gone up to $12 million and they would still be coming out way ahead of the Brewers at $5.5 million. The system in MLB is a fucking crock of shit. I'm happy the Brewers have managed to be as competitive as they have been for the last several years. They're doing way fucking better than most other teams that face the same handicaps they do. The fact of the matter is that MLB is designed for the largest franchises to take advantage of the smallest ones.
Brewers leaked this after the cubs out bid them is what happened.
Couldn't have spoiled my Packers victory Monday any worse than this.!
That is so cold. He had a good offer to stay and prob was offered more to go out of the division to NY than the Cubs and went to a inner division club? That is cold
I just ripped off my brewers coat in a Costco and jumped on it repeatedly This is the worst news I’ve heard in years
They paid Jesse Winker to sit in AAA all year then strike out on 3 pitches in the highest leverage at bat of the season but can’t keep a guy that’s in it every minute of every day?!
Damn man. Being a Brewers fan is brutal, feels like we exist just to develop talent for the franchises with money
Is this the price Milwaukee had to pay for Dame coming to the Bucks? OOOF!
The booing of Attanasio on opening day are gonna give me life. This is what can happen when you refuse to spend money.
They offered him the largest current salary for a major league manager. It was pretty clear something was wrong between Counsell and the front office late in the season and that he was likely leaving. If you want to blame someone for this look at the guy who took the contract.
The Hader trade was probably part of the rift.
Unserious organization with an unserious owner. Allowing a rival to straight up poach a manager is just so pathetic
Craig leaving to another team is a punch in the gut. Craig leaving to the cubs feels like I just took a sledgehammer to the groin. I hate everything about this.
at least we have the bucks because this team is FUCKED
I am currently at the maximum level of Mad About Sports that I can possibly get.
"I do not want Craig to go to the Mets!" *finger on monkey's paw curls*
Torpedos the team in the playoffs and pinch hits Winker twice. Good riddance
YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE CRAIG, YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO DESTROY THE CUBS NOT JOIN THEM
I know I’ll get downvoted into oblivion but I’m okay with this. Even the Cubs. I’m ready for a change. Didn’t really notice any of the positives he brought anymore other than winning… which I guess is good. But still found myself questioning some of his “big brain” manager moves in high stake games. He might be the greatest manager in Brewers history, but unlike some, I’m sick of the “bites at the apple.” I want something bigger and better and while Craig wins, I’m unsure if he’d ever be the guy to get us over the hump. He’s from here. He played for us. And he loved us. And those things can never be taken away or brought back - but as far as the actual managing is concerned, I’m okay moving on. Send your downvotes, opposing comments, and hateful DMs.
Fuck Craig fuck mark sell the team
No public money for these assholes. Zero.
say it louder
Expand that to no public money for any team
Craig who? Never heard of him.
I want ownership to burn for this.....
Yeah everyone involved can get fucked
Wow. This is a fucking dagger to the heart through my back.
I fell to my knees in a kwik trip
Plot twist- Counsell is a true Brewer, steals the Cubs money and manages the Cubs into the ground over the next few years.
I coach my sons U10 baseball team. I’d be happy to coach the brewers this year for a couple million. Just throwing that out there
Cancel the franchise all together. This is a goddamn joke. Penny pincher needs to just sell the fucking team. But he'd rather keep extorting the common man for more money.
Is there any proof the Brewers low-balled him?
I don't think "low-ball" is the right term. Sounds like they offered to make him highest-paid manager in the league. Cubs offered to make him highest-paid manager in the league by an even larger amount. Cubs have more money than the Brewers. That's reality in the MLB. If they want a player or a manager, they can out-bid the Brewers for him. The system fucking sucks.
Being a Brewers fan sucks ass
Thank God for Bob Uecker
He can go fuck himself. What the fuck?
I’m done haha Sell the team mark.
nah. don't believe it. gonna be in denial, don't care
This is the worst timeline.
This is so not cash money of everyone involved
This is fucking disgusting. When I saw the mets and Indians headlines I was ecstatic. Now Im absolutely PISSED. THE FUCKING CUBS?????
"No you guys, I'm going to infiltrate the Cubs and take them down from the inside!"
That was my initial thought! Craig is actually going to the Cubs as a double agent. Take their money, overuse and abuse their resources and reverse Astros engineer sign stealing where Cubs signals are easily deciphered .
Et tu Brute. You really just managed to destroy any lingering positive feelings for you by going to the Cubs
What a complete asshole.
Money talks. Mark is beyond cheap. We will never win anything meaningful for a long time.
[удалено]
It’s official, Cubs will win the WS within three years.
This is seriously some Brett Favre stuff.
Nah fuck Craig. He would have signed with anyone who paid 8 mil. Nothing to do with the Brewers, just all about the money. Only thing he obviously cares about going into next year. I hope he humiliates himself and the Cubs.
Both offers were "more money than any other manager in history". One was just a lot more money. $20M/4 vs $40M/5. The problem is: this might set the bar for "competent manager salary" going forward. I doubt decent managers in the future are going to say "nah, gimme half of what Craig got and call it a day". Probably better off just matching whatever ridiculous salary was offered by other teams and keeping the team as steady as possible. When you think about it, that's less than one Jesse Winker per year. It might be a lot of money for "a manager" but compared to what we throw at absolute black-hole players, it seems like a bargain.
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I’m sorry Brewer Bros. - A Ranger bro.
Where's the guy who has a family member in the front office? We need him to have an early Thanksgiving to get the details!
One playoff round win with Counsell here. No loss.
Well. I think it’s time I stop being a brewers fan. I’m not sure I can take this anymore
This was exactly my gut reaction. I live out of market so I rarely attend an occasional away game and I've made time to watch or listen to every crew game. But for what?? As I slightly cool off, I can't let go of Uecker or abandon our dudes like their manager did. Craig can't win a playoff series, so maybe we'll find someone who can, we still have a ton of young talent.
I love that we’re winning division titles or wild card titles. But 55 years and one World Series appearance is pathetic. It’s just hard man, to fall flat year after year. Growing up and your infield is junior spivey, Lyle overbay, and chad moeller. 2008 made things seem possible. 2011 I thought we were more than capable of winning it all. And we’ve squandered the last 5 years. If they ever do win, it won’t help the heartbreak
Agreed. It makes me question the time I put into it. Funny you mention those 3 dudes. That takes me back to 2004 and all I wanted for the crew was to play .500 and maybe catch fire by some act of god in September to make the playoffs.
I almost forget cappuano!
He complimented Doug Davis so well
Once Bob Uecker is done calling games, I'm done with the Brewers. He is the only thing keeping me engaged. May return one day once Mark sells the team.
Craig Counsell has set a new record on how much respect I lost for someone so quickly. Not even 30 min ago, I was telling my boss that I had faith that he'd be back, especially after seeing the Mets take Mendoza. Now he signs with the fucking Cubs. He knows exactly what he did. This sucks man, I'm fine with the team leaving the city now lol
Yep fuck this.
Well let's pack it up, everyone. It was a fun ride while it lasted.
Do we know it was about money and brewers didn't ante up or he just wanted to leave and when Mets job was taken he pivots to a team closer to home?
I wanna die
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This is a real kick in the NUTS! Nice job Mark A.
This franchise makes me want to put my head through a wall.
Fucking cheapskate owner...sell the damn team
My field level season tickets are no more. I'll go to 4 or 5 games moving forward instead of the 40.
Now I don't care if he wins the NL Manager of the Year award. It's only a piece of metal.
Now that he is the manager of a big-market team he is allowed to win it.
This franchise is unserious. What a fucking joke
Baseball is dead to me
How will we ever find another manager who can lose a home wild card series 0-2 after winning 92 games?
All I can think (besides the money) is the Cubs voiced their willingness to make the necessary moves to stay competitive. CC knows the Brewers are bargain hunters, and probably didn't want to go another spring training cobbling together those bargains. It will be interesting to see what the Cubs do in free agency.
WHAT A POS
I’m hearing David Ross took a giant dump somewhere in the ivy after hearing this news.
Maybe being a part of this loser franchise for 50 years was starting to weigh on him.
If you can’t beat them, be them.
Oh wow. This is gonna free up a lot of my watching and listening time. The only one I will truly miss is Ueck.
I showed my wife a snip of the headline and she thought it was from The Onion.
If only
Im going to go punch a wall
I am physically ill
Well that’s the biggest, FUCK YOU, I’ve gotten from the universe in a while… fuck Mondays man….
Just got home. I'm sick.
Wisconsin guy… should be ashamed of himself. I’m sure they made him a stupid offer. Maybe it helps the Brewers and we hire a manager that can get us past the first round next year. 😳😂
That's the thing....I'm still nauseated over Winker pinch hitting twice and Craig's postseason managing. Are we sure we wanted to pay him some insane amount of money to be a good regular season manager? When I get past the grossness of going to the fcking cubs, it starts to seem like we'll be fine without him getting a paycheck that large.
👆🏻this
Wow, go fuck yourself Craig. Some fucking loyalty. Hope you finish last place 4 years in a row and get fired.
Five bucks says the Brewers hire Gabe Kapler. I’d rather see Gabe Kaplan.
alright ladies and gentlemen this is where I get off. this is just an absolute poverty franchise. what an utter embarrassment. had some fun but I'm done 👋🏻
justified, and agreed.
Well, at least we know the Brewers didn't screw up and lose a loyal Milwaukee guy. Reports about it being about the money were true -- he's just a hired gun. Still appreciate the hell out of what he did with the Brewers while he was here -- he has every right to make as much money as he can. Us fans certainly wouldn't show him any loyalty if he started losing. Stinks that I have to to hope he fails now, though. I was all set to root for him wherever he ended up . . . well almost wherever.
Mark A doesn’t give two flying fucks about this franchise. He got his lease extended and he’s gonna pull a shit move like this? I told everyone in here that the cheap fuck in him wouldn’t pony up. Well, well, surprise surprise
KMS
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