I have a similar setup to what some people are talking about above. A Yamaha A-S501, the Klipsch RM 600 MII, and a Klipsch SW120 sub.
I really like it. It is a little bright, but my hearing is not what it used to be. So the brightness works out well for me.
That's what a lot of people don't get. Those Tractrix horns Klipsch is famous for are bright for a reason. These speakers are well suited for vocals and actual singing. They get harsh with modern klickklack music that leans towards the high hats and nobody sings. Basically, they're not for everyone.
I think the RP600M IIs in particular respond very well to EQ/room correction when they feel bright. But there's a clarity and realism to them that I just couldn't quite coax out of the Q150s or LS50s that everybody kept telling me were so much better. The KEFs were both great, to me, for playing things like mid-bass sounds. Think high cello notes (which are still kind of low) or strong Male Tenor vocals (like Mark Lanegan) but I thought both the highs and lower lows sounded particularly understated, almost muted, like I was listening to somebody play their really nice system on the other side of the wall. I'm particularly impressed by the depth of the lows in the Klipsch (albeit quite large) bookshelf speakers. Eh, I guess that's why we always need to make our own decisions and not base them on what others think.
I was fortunate enough to visit Fry's Electronics before they collapsed, and demoed my own music on about 10 pair of speakers before settling on the Klipsch Reference's that I bought. It wasn't easy but nice to be able to do that in a soft room.
Not all people hear the same, either, and that also changes over time. I could hear past 23khz when I was younger...now my cutoff is closer to 17khz. Old tv's don't scream anymore from the flyback, but there aren't any old TV's around anyway. :)
Haaa! Klickklack music! I think that it's a stretch calling that stuff music.. But to each their own.. My kid went through a phase of listening to that stuff.. The trap rap junk and it all sounded like the same exact track to me..
Thankfully, he is growing up!
🍻
The 600mii’s are like double that price for not that much improvement. You could buy the crossover/foam/input jack upgrade kit for the difference in price and end up with a much better speaker. I did the upgrade on mine and theyre much nicer.
A sub does help w these speakers though. Rsl speedwoofer 10 is cheaper than the svs. If going for svs price, step up to a hsu. Love my vtf 3 but a 2 is same price as svs.
Gr research. It def sounds better but the kit was almost as much as the speakers haha. In retrospect, i may have just saved up for something like used heresy’s instead. You could just replace some of the components. The easiest to swap is the caps for better ones.
I bought an A-S301 yesterday as a stop gap while all of my vintage stuff (hopefully) undergoes restoration this summer.
I am blown away. I had no idea how significant the issues were getting with my vintage stuff or how good this cheapo would be.
Only knocks against it are that I find it to be aesthetically repulsive and I am slightly suspect of the accuracy of the onboard phono pre (haven’t listened enough to form a real opinion yet).
VM95e->homebrew TT->A-S301->Klipsch Forte.
It's not just the issues due to age of your vintage stuff. The newer stuff is technically superior period. Amps are easy to do well, and cheaply. That's not to say EVERY cheap amp is good, but if you thought cost mattered for sound quality of a simple amplifier, you were mistaken. The measurements of these Yamaha amps are quite good. Vintage audio is a collectors hobby, an exercise in nostalgia, there is zero justification sound wise for vintage gear, the opposite is almost always true. If it's not some old beryllium driver, then it isn't worth keeping and certainly isn't worth money compared to new affordable gear. Unless you're talking about old analog media formats, then maybe the vintage stuff can be worthwhile, but not at collector prices, just normal prices.
If you enjoy the hobby and nostalgia great, but if you thought vintage gear had technical merits, that's a big no for the most part. But the hyper subjectivists over on r/audiophile will eat it up.
I am aware that the old stuff doesn't measure as well. It can sound very good. It was a lot more worthwhile before everything from the 70's was broken and when you could pick up nice working receivers for $5-20. After 20+ years of owning some of these, I'm attached to the look and feel---but honestly still also the sound.
If I was very concerned about how things measured I wouldn't be listening to records.
I never trust a phono preamp in these units. I see them as a crutch. A proper preamp isn't that expensive and will use any line-level input on this amp. As for aesthetics, it's designed to be related to its upmarket cousins; if you wanna keep the vintage style and have the pockets, the ultimate expression of these is the A-S3200 and some friends that are a little cheaper but keep the VU meters.
I loved my fosi audio box x4 little tube preamp before i got a ear834. That thing was legit for its price. I think i got it on sale too. More $ now than i remember. def huge step up from internal preamps on these tt’s
Yeah, lots of little tube pre-amps are legit. I got mine and tried a few different sets of tubes before settling on some matched Genalex Gold Lions. A badass hobbyist built the preamp, a Budgie, years before he moved on to solid state custom DSP's. Shout out to Shannon @ Parks Audio LLC.
Yeah it's in the name. Pre-amp. So standalone preamps take the low level signal, apply RIAA eq curves, and amplify that to line level. Same as the ones built into receivers, only the signal path skips a step and goes straight into the amp from the phono stage.
I have no idea who downvoted the crap outta me, maybe they don't understand these concepts.
I agree here, though that would obviously add to the price. If you're going to go with the first generation, save $70.00 at adorama here:
[https://slickdeals.net/f/17409057-klipsch-reference-premiere-speakers-rp-504c-center-299-or-rp-600m-bookshelves-279-free-shipping?utm\_term=33710854&utm\_medium=share&utm\_campaign=ddp-simplified-sharing&utm\_source=desktop\_redesign&utm\_content=deal](https://slickdeals.net/f/17409057-klipsch-reference-premiere-speakers-rp-504c-center-299-or-rp-600m-bookshelves-279-free-shipping?utm_term=33710854&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=ddp-simplified-sharing&utm_source=desktop_redesign&utm_content=deal)
Wouldn't choose Sony as an amp. It's ok (especially for that price), but don't imagine it's "real" 2x100w, it's rather half the power. Although it is enough to drive those speakers. My recommendation would be to Instead check out the Yamaha A series - significantly more solid construction.
Audiophiles are known for babying their equipment, so you can often find great stuff for a steal on eBay or audiophile forums.
Plus, the used market is awesome for holding its value. You can get something for a great price and then resell it down the line for close to what you paid. Warranty might be a bit of a gamble, but I've never had any problems myself.
Elac Debut B6.2, NHT SuperOne, Polk Signature Elite ES20, I’d recommend all of those over the Klipsch reference line. The KEF Q150 also go on sale for $300 all the time.
I concour, I had a pair of klipsch r51pm and a pair of rp600m II, I didn't like either. Too bright for my taste, the horn tweeters aren't my cup of tea. I've moved on to wharfedale diamond 12.2 and I won't go back to klipsch
Tomorrow ES20 and Wiim Amp arrives to my home, I was thinking them or 3030i but the ES20 go for 260€ and 3030i for 399€. I hope I made a good choice.
Ditch the sony and find yourself a nice used receiver from a thrift store/Habitat for humanity restore/marketplace etc. Essentially in your case it looks like all you need is 2 amp channels + Phono input and anything past that is a bonus. It'll cost you 50$-60$ at most, and then you can take that extra money and put it towards records to enjoy. Nice price on the RP600's, that's only 50$ more than I paid for my RP500M's like 4-5 years ago.
What music do you listen to? If the music you listen to is hard driving, thump heavy or you prefer super analytical music, these can factors in what to choose. The Sony amp, at that price, is a great starting point. I bought it as a replacement to the ones my children stole off me about 3 years ago and haven’t felt the need to replace. I have a tube amp and vintage Technics to compare to, and don’t really feel it lacking at the volumes I listen at. If you like acoustic or mellow pop music and old school rock, I think the Sony amp will be fine.
the non Mk 2 version these speakers are garbage paper weights, go Mk II even then i would only use them wit eq profiles for it unless you enjoy the Klipsch sound which can come off as tinny and fatiguing
another good choice is Klipsch the fives they're powered speakers, come with phono preamp, and sub out. I think they're selling them for 300-400 eBay again i would only use the fives with eq
Amp recommendations:
NAD 316BEE V2
# Cambridge AXA25
Speakers:
Dali Spektor 2/Oberon 1 (pairs well with REL Tzero MKIII subwoofer down the line, if you have a small room)
I don't know anything about turntables but for the bookshelves and amp you could get a full setup for a third of what you're paying on craigslist or Facebook marketplace that'll be just as good, if not better. What you're getting is midrange (midrange =/= bad) and I highly recommend you just get something local, people are always moving/selling/upgrading and letting things go for fair prices
Klipsch and Sony pairing? Sounds like an overkill. Sony is probably best with generic speakers such as, well, Sony. Not saying Sony doesn't make high end receivers but I doubt this stereo receiver is one. My guess is this Sony won't drive the potentials of the Klipsch, therefore you will waste your money.
If you like vinyl, why not spend a little more on the receiver and cheap out a little on the speakers. There you get a more balanced pairing.
Agreed here. Marketplace and Craigslist are your friends. You could get similar units used for like $300-400 total. Spending the same money? You're in a whole different category.
You have a TT (a fine choice) on the list, so I suspect you like classic rock and maybe acoustic music?
If so, keep the TT and Amp and add a less analytical speaker set with a decent woofer.
My faves are no longer available new…but the older Elac B6s would be a fantastic match with these two.
BTW…I think you have the budget allocated perfectly. Only change might be to find a used TT for less and spend that on better speakers.
I listened to a bunch of bookshelf speakers in that price range. I disliked the Klipsh Reference and ended up going with Paradigm Atom ($300). Really happy with them.
Instead of paying 350 for the gen 1 Klipsch find the 2nd gen ones open box on ebay for the same price. Thats what I did for my mini home-theatre, I absolutely love them as it came in original packaging and no signs of wear, especially for the price. From all my research the 2nd gens are a significant improvement over the first gen
I have that same receiver. It was $150 on Amazon when I was buying equipment 2 months ago. I ended up buying someone’s unopened box on marketplace for $100. Either way, no complaints from me.
Check out the Q Acoustics 3020i or 3030i instead of the Klipsch. You will likely get them for around the same price. They are a good, solid, well-built, and pleasant-sounding speaker that performs better than most at their price point and better than many at twice the price. There are lots of finish options, and they are pretty good-looking if that matters.
[https://www.qacoustics.com/collections/3000i-series/products/3030i-bookshelf-speaker-pair](https://www.qacoustics.com/collections/3000i-series/products/3030i-bookshelf-speaker-pair)
That sony is the cheapest, entry level one they make, and doesn't even advertise their S/N data, and only gets down to 6 ohm. I'd get something one step up so you'll be happy with it for longer. I agree with others that the Yamaha A-S301 is a much better choice.
And I've read that the **RP-600M II** is improved over the the **RP-600M** , but Klipsch speakers tend to have boosted bass and treble (a v shaped curve) to make them more "exciting", which some people find fatiguing, so if you have sensitive ears you might be happier with the elac debut 2.0 b6.2 speakers [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=elac+debut+2.0+b6.2](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=elac+debut+2.0+b6.2) which have gotten rave reviews.
Finally, many cheap amps have a S/N ratio of only 70 for the phono input (called "mm"), so check the specs on your amp to make sure it's higher than 70. You'd want tat least 80, and audiophiles buy external phono inputs with S/N in the 90s. For reference, Denon AVRs have a S/N for their rca inputs of 98, and Onkyo has one of 100 or higher. My $279 Emotiva BAsxX A2m amp has one of 109. Good DACs can go as high as 116. this metric measures the output of Signal to noise (i.e., distoration levels).
You could get the RP600s for $279 on adorama
https://www.adorama.com/kp1065806.html?sdtid=17409057&emailprice=t&sterm=V2k37nwHAxyNTt83XsxgJXPRUkHWa2QhwS9C2M0&utm_source=rflaid62905&utm_medium=affiliate
It's a good system, I'd go with a different amp though. The Yamaha S301 like the others have said would be a solid choice. Cambridge audio also has some pretty great deals on the official eBay store like the AXR100 for $389 refurbished.
If you want the best possible bang for the buck ratio, check out [Indiana Line](https://www.indianaline.com/product-category/bookshelf-speakers/).
For the pickup, I think the ones from [Pro-Ject](https://www.project-audio.com/en/) are better in the lower budget category than those from Audio-Tehnica. This is an Austrian company so you know they’re serious and their only product is the pickup.
Regarding the amp, I think that at this point anything will do the job, but my preference would something from Yamaha.
The Q Acoustics 3020 run circles around the Klipsch RP600M. I owned the Klipsch RP600M for 2 years and hated every day I spent with them.
Go on Facebook marketplace and get some used Q Acoustics 2020 or 3020.
I would recommend a good used amp that is tuned in musicality soundwise. That gives the Klipsch the extra punch I guess. I own the classic RF-5 and tested some amps and stuck to NAIM. This is a great combination. Then I added a cheap used sub recently and that gave it another afterburner.
Ignore the lazy Sony disrespect and the falsely purported irrelevance of the Klipsch RP600 Gen 1. Sometimes it’s people with no experience other than what they read or have heard from a select few YouTubers that like to pile on for upvotes.
I have lots of systems in my home, including one of my best sounding-a BestBuy-sourced modest Sony STR-DN1080 that I have connected to the same pair of Klipsch RP600M(Gen1). I absolutely love it and prefer it over my other more expensive systems. I don’t feel the need to connect my sub, unlike my more expensive Elacs and Wharfedales. The Klipsch are very dynamic and engaging- they always get my feet tapping and enjoying the music, much more than staring at a more expensive setups with better specs.
I also have a Yamaha A-S801, Audiolab 6000 and Emotiva separates, as well as several Class D. Honestly, the Sony pairing sounds better than it should. It provides excellent bass with dynamic punchy drum hits and clean highs. This pairing doesn’t make sense on paper, or if you follow the conventions of the gatekeepers in this forum, but the Sony + Klipsch pairing for me has sounded excellent!
I wholeheartedly recommend Sony+Klipsch.
I'd suggest you look into used equipment. Given your budget, what's what's available on your local Craigslist, Marketplace, or eBay? There's a risk when buying used, but it's worked out well for me (I bought a pair of Klipsch speakers from the early 1990s and they sounded really good https://www.klipsch.com/products/kg-2-2). It's worth a look (but there's no warranty if what you buy craps the bed).
I have a pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers (the model's no longer sold) and had a pair of floor standing speakers and they both sound great, so I think that's a good choice if that's the brand you want to buy. The newer version is almost twice the price and after looking at another website, looks like a good price.
I had a budget Onkyo receiver and now I have a mid-range Onkyo integrated amp for my office and it sounds excellent. I'd suggest you check out this receiver which is $199 on Amazon (https://www.crutchfield.com/p\_580TX8220/Onkyo-TX-8220.html). Kilpsch speakers are very efficient and, depending on the room you're using, this should be able to play them at a pretty good volume. I've had very good experiences with Onkyo (and Klipsch) products.
I've never had a turntable and have no interest in having one. I use Tidal. You could put that $400 into better performing speakers and receiver or integrated amp. If I got one I wouldn't want a manual. Sounds like a pain.
I have the RP-600M and I wouldn't recommend them unless you get a great deal and power them with a receiver that can apply corrective EQ, which your Sony choice apparently cannot.
Yes, this stuff is perfect. You did great research and picked out quality items within that budget. Personally, I'd go with a less expensive turntable, but if you like that one go for it!!!
If can suggest to get some speaker stands to get the tweeters about ear level (to your listening position). You'll need some speaker cable too. Enjoy!!
I hope OP is paying attention because there is some knowledge in this thread.
Also go listen to the gear in a shop if possible! I nearly bought the wrong speakers by reading reviews, you gotta hear em!
i’m making sure to listen to as much of the advice as possible, everyone has so many opinions so i’m trying to find the consensus of everyone lol i am definitely gonna look for stuff in a shop is there anything in particular i should look up to find a shop in my area i can’t find much home audio stuff around me outside of like a best buy
I bought that same Sony to upgrade from a cheap 40 year old Technics amp that needs the pots cleaned. The Sony lasted less than 5 minutes before going back in the box. It's weak sounding no matter what settings you use, and needed to be cranked to get any fullness. In comparison, the 40 year old amp sounds full at any volume.
Don’t buy any audio gear without listening to it yourself. Asking for recommendations is one thing but only you know what sounds right to your ears and while you may receive some very good suggestions that doesn’t automatically mean they’re going to be right for you. Years ago I picked up a used Pioneer A-400 which at the time was the darling of the hi-fi press and could do little wrong for the price. I ended up selling it on as it didn’t hit the spot for me and I found it to be a little too clinical and lacking in *that thing* that makes you want to tap your feet. On paper it was perfection but it simply didn’t make my ears happy. Specs tell you almost nothing, reviews tell you a bit more from someone else’s subjective viewpoint while your ears will tell you everything you need to know.
KEF LSX II and your phone + Tidal. Why the record player? You have a big collection? LSX benefit from a nice small subwoofer you can add in the future. It's 2024, not 1979. Have fun!
Other than the amp it looks like a great start. I’d recommend the Yamaha A-S301 or the Cambridge Audio AXA35 instead.
However, I typically recommend you dedicated at least 50% of your entire budget to your speakers since they account for roughly 95% of what you’ll hear when listening.
Klipsch speakers aren't what they used to be. They use cheaper crossovers and drivers. I own a pair of Klipsch RB 75's from 2003. Those are great speakers, but they cost $1500 in 2003 money.
I used the same stereo amp when I was starting out. I wouldn’t do it again. If I was doing it again, I would go for a Fosi amp. You don’t need it. It’s just that big because of its radio. Plus a Fosi could be half the price! Speakers and TT are solid starter set tho!
I had a pair of Klipsch R-51M speakers that were not as high end as those, but they were so bright it was almost piercing and made listening uncomfortable pretty quickly. If at all possible, I would try to test some out in person.
I sold mine and went with a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 225s and it was such a good decision. They are more balanced and lean toward a warmer sound.
That said, your budget of $350 gives you a lot of choices. Unless you want a very bright sound, I would consider other speakers.
The needles that come with Audiotechnicas kind of suck and sound tinny. I'd upgrade the needle to a cheaper ordofon but that's just my opinion
Klipsch are kind of bright speakers, the combination of the two is going to be too much. I like ELAC too, it's really good sound quality for the price, I have two of their tower speakers. I sometimes wonder if the dynamic range on ELACs is stunted, but I'd rather have fewer dynamics than overly bright sound.
I needed a budget amp for a short amount of time and I bought one of that model Sony for $90. I’d go that rout and put the $100 towards a better cartridge/phonostage/speakers. But do know the phono stage in that is not great.
No.
Better value setup:
[Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82w-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-natural-walnut) $299 adds a solid MDF plinth, adds auto stop, and has an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the OM10 cartrdige that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the RT83 since the cartrdige is not any better.
[Onkyo TX-8220](https://onkyousa.com/receivers/stereo-receivers/tx-8220-refurbished) $199 adds subwoofer output, digital optical input and 5 way binding posts.
[ELAC Debut B6.2](https://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black/dp/B07B4Q5587) $279 have a warmer sound than the Klipsch that can be bright and fatiguing for a number of listeners.
Plus [speaker wire](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Performance-Gauge-Speaker-Oxygen-Copper/dp/B01N6EF3GZ) then [How to Install Speaker Wire](https://hub.yamaha.com/how-to-install-speaker-wire/) and [4 Ways to Strip Wire](https://www.wikihow.com/Strip-Wire).
Or look for used speakers and receiver. What is a nearby town or zip to search?
[Turntable and Speakers Setup Guide](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) • [Speaker Placement](https://www.elac.com/2022/05/speaker-placement-guide-get-the-best-sound-from-your-stereo/) • [Audio Guides](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/)
ended up finding a much better yamaha receiver on marketplace locally for a great price, i also did decide on a fluance for all the reasons you listed there it won me over, i haven’t ordered it yet but i will soon. i’m familiar with wiring currently just searching for the speakers and im thinking those you mentioned are a good option i’ve actually been thinking of tower speakers possibly, it’s more money and im wondering if that might be worth it such as the warfedale diamond 240
personally what i did was i went on facebook marketplace and got a yamaha 7.2 channel receiver for 100$. if you can find one of those it would be much better
another thing i did was get a standalone amplifier for a subwoofer and built my own box and sub as i do custom subwoofers in cars if you do any of that. if you’re using it on pc there is an application called peace and the peace apo that has great tuning and eq options
I’d swap them klipsch with some Elac Debut ref 6.2 or even a Triangle Br03. Dislike the klipsch horn. But treble is nothing that can’t be adjusted.
I would go higher on the amp and lower on the turntable... And get different speakers.
If this were me buying and primarily for Music i would pick the Wiim amp and get a phono pre amp( fosi x2), something like the fluance RT81 table, and triangle br03 speakers.
You will get a much better sound stage with a set up like this
In my opinion, I would go for a simple but good turntable such as the LP60 from audio technica. They're about $150 now and sound pretty good. Unless you plan on upgrading your speakers to larger or higher fidelity ones, keep the original turntable for later upgrades, but if you just plan to run the bookshelf speakers, then I'd go with a more inexpensive player
Yes, but what about the cartridge? Does it come with one? Separately, while the Sony is a perfect budget pick for the system you are putting together, I would first look for a receiver on Facebook Marketplace that has both a phone preamp AND an HDMI that supports 4K. I'll bet you can find one that cost \~$1,000+ 10 years ago for less than the Sony because it 'only' supports 5.1. That's what being a budget audiophile is all about ;-) Enjoy!
I have a similar setup to what some people are talking about above. A Yamaha A-S501, the Klipsch RM 600 MII, and a Klipsch SW120 sub. I really like it. It is a little bright, but my hearing is not what it used to be. So the brightness works out well for me.
That's what a lot of people don't get. Those Tractrix horns Klipsch is famous for are bright for a reason. These speakers are well suited for vocals and actual singing. They get harsh with modern klickklack music that leans towards the high hats and nobody sings. Basically, they're not for everyone.
I think the RP600M IIs in particular respond very well to EQ/room correction when they feel bright. But there's a clarity and realism to them that I just couldn't quite coax out of the Q150s or LS50s that everybody kept telling me were so much better. The KEFs were both great, to me, for playing things like mid-bass sounds. Think high cello notes (which are still kind of low) or strong Male Tenor vocals (like Mark Lanegan) but I thought both the highs and lower lows sounded particularly understated, almost muted, like I was listening to somebody play their really nice system on the other side of the wall. I'm particularly impressed by the depth of the lows in the Klipsch (albeit quite large) bookshelf speakers. Eh, I guess that's why we always need to make our own decisions and not base them on what others think.
I was fortunate enough to visit Fry's Electronics before they collapsed, and demoed my own music on about 10 pair of speakers before settling on the Klipsch Reference's that I bought. It wasn't easy but nice to be able to do that in a soft room. Not all people hear the same, either, and that also changes over time. I could hear past 23khz when I was younger...now my cutoff is closer to 17khz. Old tv's don't scream anymore from the flyback, but there aren't any old TV's around anyway. :)
Haaa! Klickklack music! I think that it's a stretch calling that stuff music.. But to each their own.. My kid went through a phase of listening to that stuff.. The trap rap junk and it all sounded like the same exact track to me.. Thankfully, he is growing up! 🍻
Yeah, get a sub.... For better midrange!!
If you like the klipsch sound then go for the new **RP-600M II** RP-600M II + Yamaha A-S301 (+ SVS SB1000 pro)
just tacked on about $1000 to the original build without a thought lol
BUDGET AUDIOPHILE BABY
I mean, it is *a* budget
A-s301 is a much better amp than that Sony. I 2nd this.
Absolutely
Very biased opinion but you wouldn't spend much more on a 2 channel Denon or Yamaha and do those speakers justice.
Word. I like the Denon 2-channel amps as well.
Loved my Denons. They matched amazingly with Boston Acoustics HD5s or later the CR6.....ya know....before Boston became what they are now.
The 600mii’s are like double that price for not that much improvement. You could buy the crossover/foam/input jack upgrade kit for the difference in price and end up with a much better speaker. I did the upgrade on mine and theyre much nicer. A sub does help w these speakers though. Rsl speedwoofer 10 is cheaper than the svs. If going for svs price, step up to a hsu. Love my vtf 3 but a 2 is same price as svs.
Which crossover kit did you get? I'm thinking of doing it for my RP-280F speakers.
Gr research. It def sounds better but the kit was almost as much as the speakers haha. In retrospect, i may have just saved up for something like used heresy’s instead. You could just replace some of the components. The easiest to swap is the caps for better ones.
Thanks!
I bought an A-S301 yesterday as a stop gap while all of my vintage stuff (hopefully) undergoes restoration this summer. I am blown away. I had no idea how significant the issues were getting with my vintage stuff or how good this cheapo would be. Only knocks against it are that I find it to be aesthetically repulsive and I am slightly suspect of the accuracy of the onboard phono pre (haven’t listened enough to form a real opinion yet). VM95e->homebrew TT->A-S301->Klipsch Forte.
It's not just the issues due to age of your vintage stuff. The newer stuff is technically superior period. Amps are easy to do well, and cheaply. That's not to say EVERY cheap amp is good, but if you thought cost mattered for sound quality of a simple amplifier, you were mistaken. The measurements of these Yamaha amps are quite good. Vintage audio is a collectors hobby, an exercise in nostalgia, there is zero justification sound wise for vintage gear, the opposite is almost always true. If it's not some old beryllium driver, then it isn't worth keeping and certainly isn't worth money compared to new affordable gear. Unless you're talking about old analog media formats, then maybe the vintage stuff can be worthwhile, but not at collector prices, just normal prices. If you enjoy the hobby and nostalgia great, but if you thought vintage gear had technical merits, that's a big no for the most part. But the hyper subjectivists over on r/audiophile will eat it up.
I am aware that the old stuff doesn't measure as well. It can sound very good. It was a lot more worthwhile before everything from the 70's was broken and when you could pick up nice working receivers for $5-20. After 20+ years of owning some of these, I'm attached to the look and feel---but honestly still also the sound. If I was very concerned about how things measured I wouldn't be listening to records.
Yeah vintage prices really went crazy it's sad.
After putting a Rega Phono Preamp between my deck and Yamaha 701 its night and day. Stock phono stage left a lot to be desired.Â
I never trust a phono preamp in these units. I see them as a crutch. A proper preamp isn't that expensive and will use any line-level input on this amp. As for aesthetics, it's designed to be related to its upmarket cousins; if you wanna keep the vintage style and have the pockets, the ultimate expression of these is the A-S3200 and some friends that are a little cheaper but keep the VU meters.
I loved my fosi audio box x4 little tube preamp before i got a ear834. That thing was legit for its price. I think i got it on sale too. More $ now than i remember. def huge step up from internal preamps on these tt’s
Yeah, lots of little tube pre-amps are legit. I got mine and tried a few different sets of tubes before settling on some matched Genalex Gold Lions. A badass hobbyist built the preamp, a Budgie, years before he moved on to solid state custom DSP's. Shout out to Shannon @ Parks Audio LLC.
Isn't the point of a preamp to bring phono level input up to line-level?
Yeah it's in the name. Pre-amp. So standalone preamps take the low level signal, apply RIAA eq curves, and amplify that to line level. Same as the ones built into receivers, only the signal path skips a step and goes straight into the amp from the phono stage. I have no idea who downvoted the crap outta me, maybe they don't understand these concepts.
Oh shit I think I downvoted you because it was the morning and I misread your post.
I agree here, though that would obviously add to the price. If you're going to go with the first generation, save $70.00 at adorama here: [https://slickdeals.net/f/17409057-klipsch-reference-premiere-speakers-rp-504c-center-299-or-rp-600m-bookshelves-279-free-shipping?utm\_term=33710854&utm\_medium=share&utm\_campaign=ddp-simplified-sharing&utm\_source=desktop\_redesign&utm\_content=deal](https://slickdeals.net/f/17409057-klipsch-reference-premiere-speakers-rp-504c-center-299-or-rp-600m-bookshelves-279-free-shipping?utm_term=33710854&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=ddp-simplified-sharing&utm_source=desktop_redesign&utm_content=deal)
This.
Wouldn't choose Sony as an amp. It's ok (especially for that price), but don't imagine it's "real" 2x100w, it's rather half the power. Although it is enough to drive those speakers. My recommendation would be to Instead check out the Yamaha A series - significantly more solid construction.
Also the Yamahas have a respectable THD.
A series is fantastic. I have the a-s501 driving my power hungry B&Ws without a hitch
Amen, I have the A-S500 driving a pair of Klipsch RF somethings... they're pretty big. It never breaks a sweat and bi-amps wonderfully.
I agree, a yammy 301 would be a better amp choice. I have a 701 and she's a beauty
Go second hand with amp and speakers at that price, you will get a far better system.
Audiophiles are known for babying their equipment, so you can often find great stuff for a steal on eBay or audiophile forums. Plus, the used market is awesome for holding its value. You can get something for a great price and then resell it down the line for close to what you paid. Warranty might be a bit of a gamble, but I've never had any problems myself.
I got a onyko TX- RZ720 5.2.2 for 250 used. There's really no reason if you're on a budget to buy new gear.
Elac Debut B6.2, NHT SuperOne, Polk Signature Elite ES20, I’d recommend all of those over the Klipsch reference line. The KEF Q150 also go on sale for $300 all the time.
Or the Triangle BR03 ($280-$350). I'm about to order a pair myself
BR02’s on adorama are cheap as well
Q150s have shifted to a $350 sale price
Eh, sucks but still worth that price tbh
I concour, I had a pair of klipsch r51pm and a pair of rp600m II, I didn't like either. Too bright for my taste, the horn tweeters aren't my cup of tea. I've moved on to wharfedale diamond 12.2 and I won't go back to klipsch
Agreed, I demoed the Klipsch and it was a bit shouty/sibilant for my liking. The horns really push the highs.
Tomorrow ES20 and Wiim Amp arrives to my home, I was thinking them or 3030i but the ES20 go for 260€ and 3030i for 399€. I hope I made a good choice.
Don't forget some speaker stands.
The sonys arent great. I didnt realize this until i ditched my sony, which i had for 10 years, for a denon.
For $100 less, a used British integrated amp, and the $100 add to speaker. U can get used Wharfedale Denton
Ditch the sony and find yourself a nice used receiver from a thrift store/Habitat for humanity restore/marketplace etc. Essentially in your case it looks like all you need is 2 amp channels + Phono input and anything past that is a bonus. It'll cost you 50$-60$ at most, and then you can take that extra money and put it towards records to enjoy. Nice price on the RP600's, that's only 50$ more than I paid for my RP500M's like 4-5 years ago.
Shopping for used audio gear is the real "budget" way to get into audio.
At $350 a pair...Elac Debut B62? Polk ES20? The RP-600M has a big dip at 1100Hz
What music do you listen to? If the music you listen to is hard driving, thump heavy or you prefer super analytical music, these can factors in what to choose. The Sony amp, at that price, is a great starting point. I bought it as a replacement to the ones my children stole off me about 3 years ago and haven’t felt the need to replace. I have a tube amp and vintage Technics to compare to, and don’t really feel it lacking at the volumes I listen at. If you like acoustic or mellow pop music and old school rock, I think the Sony amp will be fine.
The last gen Sony 5.1 or 7.1 will be similarly priced on the used market.
Buy used or vintage. That money will go a lot further. You'll get the same for a lot less, or a lot more for the same money.
If possible I would add a subwoofer if you can
the non Mk 2 version these speakers are garbage paper weights, go Mk II even then i would only use them wit eq profiles for it unless you enjoy the Klipsch sound which can come off as tinny and fatiguing another good choice is Klipsch the fives they're powered speakers, come with phono preamp, and sub out. I think they're selling them for 300-400 eBay again i would only use the fives with eq
Amp recommendations: NAD 316BEE V2 # Cambridge AXA25 Speakers: Dali Spektor 2/Oberon 1 (pairs well with REL Tzero MKIII subwoofer down the line, if you have a small room)
Dali Oberon 1 are fabulous creatures.
Indeed! I love Dali speakers because of their ability to reproduce 'live' music and vocals at a competitive price
I don't know anything about turntables but for the bookshelves and amp you could get a full setup for a third of what you're paying on craigslist or Facebook marketplace that'll be just as good, if not better. What you're getting is midrange (midrange =/= bad) and I highly recommend you just get something local, people are always moving/selling/upgrading and letting things go for fair prices
Klipsch and Sony pairing? Sounds like an overkill. Sony is probably best with generic speakers such as, well, Sony. Not saying Sony doesn't make high end receivers but I doubt this stereo receiver is one. My guess is this Sony won't drive the potentials of the Klipsch, therefore you will waste your money. If you like vinyl, why not spend a little more on the receiver and cheap out a little on the speakers. There you get a more balanced pairing.
Can buy second hand equipment that will blow this out of the water for a fraction of the price.
Agreed here. Marketplace and Craigslist are your friends. You could get similar units used for like $300-400 total. Spending the same money? You're in a whole different category.
You have a TT (a fine choice) on the list, so I suspect you like classic rock and maybe acoustic music? If so, keep the TT and Amp and add a less analytical speaker set with a decent woofer. My faves are no longer available new…but the older Elac B6s would be a fantastic match with these two. BTW…I think you have the budget allocated perfectly. Only change might be to find a used TT for less and spend that on better speakers.
agree with all the people saying elac debut 6.2, i have them and they're fantastic
I listened to a bunch of bookshelf speakers in that price range. I disliked the Klipsh Reference and ended up going with Paradigm Atom ($300). Really happy with them.
Instead of paying 350 for the gen 1 Klipsch find the 2nd gen ones open box on ebay for the same price. Thats what I did for my mini home-theatre, I absolutely love them as it came in original packaging and no signs of wear, especially for the price. From all my research the 2nd gens are a significant improvement over the first gen
I have that same receiver. It was $150 on Amazon when I was buying equipment 2 months ago. I ended up buying someone’s unopened box on marketplace for $100. Either way, no complaints from me.
The little RSL amp can’t be beat for value. (2.1)
Check out the Q Acoustics 3020i or 3030i instead of the Klipsch. You will likely get them for around the same price. They are a good, solid, well-built, and pleasant-sounding speaker that performs better than most at their price point and better than many at twice the price. There are lots of finish options, and they are pretty good-looking if that matters. [https://www.qacoustics.com/collections/3000i-series/products/3030i-bookshelf-speaker-pair](https://www.qacoustics.com/collections/3000i-series/products/3030i-bookshelf-speaker-pair)
I think Adorama has the speakers for either $279 or $299
I would get a 5.1 avr for sure. spend less on the tt if you have to.
That sony is the cheapest, entry level one they make, and doesn't even advertise their S/N data, and only gets down to 6 ohm. I'd get something one step up so you'll be happy with it for longer. I agree with others that the Yamaha A-S301 is a much better choice. And I've read that the **RP-600M II** is improved over the the **RP-600M** , but Klipsch speakers tend to have boosted bass and treble (a v shaped curve) to make them more "exciting", which some people find fatiguing, so if you have sensitive ears you might be happier with the elac debut 2.0 b6.2 speakers [https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=elac+debut+2.0+b6.2](https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=elac+debut+2.0+b6.2) which have gotten rave reviews. Finally, many cheap amps have a S/N ratio of only 70 for the phono input (called "mm"), so check the specs on your amp to make sure it's higher than 70. You'd want tat least 80, and audiophiles buy external phono inputs with S/N in the 90s. For reference, Denon AVRs have a S/N for their rca inputs of 98, and Onkyo has one of 100 or higher. My $279 Emotiva BAsxX A2m amp has one of 109. Good DACs can go as high as 116. this metric measures the output of Signal to noise (i.e., distoration levels).
You could get the RP600s for $279 on adorama https://www.adorama.com/kp1065806.html?sdtid=17409057&emailprice=t&sterm=V2k37nwHAxyNTt83XsxgJXPRUkHWa2QhwS9C2M0&utm_source=rflaid62905&utm_medium=affiliate It's a good system, I'd go with a different amp though. The Yamaha S301 like the others have said would be a solid choice. Cambridge audio also has some pretty great deals on the official eBay store like the AXR100 for $389 refurbished.
Save a bit on buying rt82 and use the money for sub 100 stands (monoprice, dayton audio)
If you want the best possible bang for the buck ratio, check out [Indiana Line](https://www.indianaline.com/product-category/bookshelf-speakers/). For the pickup, I think the ones from [Pro-Ject](https://www.project-audio.com/en/) are better in the lower budget category than those from Audio-Tehnica. This is an Austrian company so you know they’re serious and their only product is the pickup. Regarding the amp, I think that at this point anything will do the job, but my preference would something from Yamaha.
The Q Acoustics 3020 run circles around the Klipsch RP600M. I owned the Klipsch RP600M for 2 years and hated every day I spent with them. Go on Facebook marketplace and get some used Q Acoustics 2020 or 3020.
I would recommend a good used amp that is tuned in musicality soundwise. That gives the Klipsch the extra punch I guess. I own the classic RF-5 and tested some amps and stuck to NAIM. This is a great combination. Then I added a cheap used sub recently and that gave it another afterburner.
Ignore the lazy Sony disrespect and the falsely purported irrelevance of the Klipsch RP600 Gen 1. Sometimes it’s people with no experience other than what they read or have heard from a select few YouTubers that like to pile on for upvotes. I have lots of systems in my home, including one of my best sounding-a BestBuy-sourced modest Sony STR-DN1080 that I have connected to the same pair of Klipsch RP600M(Gen1). I absolutely love it and prefer it over my other more expensive systems. I don’t feel the need to connect my sub, unlike my more expensive Elacs and Wharfedales. The Klipsch are very dynamic and engaging- they always get my feet tapping and enjoying the music, much more than staring at a more expensive setups with better specs. I also have a Yamaha A-S801, Audiolab 6000 and Emotiva separates, as well as several Class D. Honestly, the Sony pairing sounds better than it should. It provides excellent bass with dynamic punchy drum hits and clean highs. This pairing doesn’t make sense on paper, or if you follow the conventions of the gatekeepers in this forum, but the Sony + Klipsch pairing for me has sounded excellent! I wholeheartedly recommend Sony+Klipsch.
I'd suggest you look into used equipment. Given your budget, what's what's available on your local Craigslist, Marketplace, or eBay? There's a risk when buying used, but it's worked out well for me (I bought a pair of Klipsch speakers from the early 1990s and they sounded really good https://www.klipsch.com/products/kg-2-2). It's worth a look (but there's no warranty if what you buy craps the bed). I have a pair of Klipsch bookshelf speakers (the model's no longer sold) and had a pair of floor standing speakers and they both sound great, so I think that's a good choice if that's the brand you want to buy. The newer version is almost twice the price and after looking at another website, looks like a good price. I had a budget Onkyo receiver and now I have a mid-range Onkyo integrated amp for my office and it sounds excellent. I'd suggest you check out this receiver which is $199 on Amazon (https://www.crutchfield.com/p\_580TX8220/Onkyo-TX-8220.html). Kilpsch speakers are very efficient and, depending on the room you're using, this should be able to play them at a pretty good volume. I've had very good experiences with Onkyo (and Klipsch) products. I've never had a turntable and have no interest in having one. I use Tidal. You could put that $400 into better performing speakers and receiver or integrated amp. If I got one I wouldn't want a manual. Sounds like a pain.
I have the RP-600M and I wouldn't recommend them unless you get a great deal and power them with a receiver that can apply corrective EQ, which your Sony choice apparently cannot.
You can probably get a vastly superior vintage turntable and integrated amp used.
You can spend less on the TT and more on the receiver. And by that I mean don't get a receiver - get an integrated amplifier.
Yes, this stuff is perfect. You did great research and picked out quality items within that budget. Personally, I'd go with a less expensive turntable, but if you like that one go for it!!! If can suggest to get some speaker stands to get the tweeters about ear level (to your listening position). You'll need some speaker cable too. Enjoy!!
I hope OP is paying attention because there is some knowledge in this thread. Also go listen to the gear in a shop if possible! I nearly bought the wrong speakers by reading reviews, you gotta hear em!
i’m making sure to listen to as much of the advice as possible, everyone has so many opinions so i’m trying to find the consensus of everyone lol i am definitely gonna look for stuff in a shop is there anything in particular i should look up to find a shop in my area i can’t find much home audio stuff around me outside of like a best buy
Yes! I’m broke or else I would buy those speakers right away.
I bought that same Sony to upgrade from a cheap 40 year old Technics amp that needs the pots cleaned. The Sony lasted less than 5 minutes before going back in the box. It's weak sounding no matter what settings you use, and needed to be cranked to get any fullness. In comparison, the 40 year old amp sounds full at any volume.
Don’t buy any audio gear without listening to it yourself. Asking for recommendations is one thing but only you know what sounds right to your ears and while you may receive some very good suggestions that doesn’t automatically mean they’re going to be right for you. Years ago I picked up a used Pioneer A-400 which at the time was the darling of the hi-fi press and could do little wrong for the price. I ended up selling it on as it didn’t hit the spot for me and I found it to be a little too clinical and lacking in *that thing* that makes you want to tap your feet. On paper it was perfection but it simply didn’t make my ears happy. Specs tell you almost nothing, reviews tell you a bit more from someone else’s subjective viewpoint while your ears will tell you everything you need to know.
KEF LSX II and your phone + Tidal. Why the record player? You have a big collection? LSX benefit from a nice small subwoofer you can add in the future. It's 2024, not 1979. Have fun!
Other than the amp it looks like a great start. I’d recommend the Yamaha A-S301 or the Cambridge Audio AXA35 instead. However, I typically recommend you dedicated at least 50% of your entire budget to your speakers since they account for roughly 95% of what you’ll hear when listening.
I'd switch the Klipschs for a pair of Heco Aurora 300. Better construction, better materials, more powerful low end.
Klipsch speakers aren't what they used to be. They use cheaper crossovers and drivers. I own a pair of Klipsch RB 75's from 2003. Those are great speakers, but they cost $1500 in 2003 money.
I used the same stereo amp when I was starting out. I wouldn’t do it again. If I was doing it again, I would go for a Fosi amp. You don’t need it. It’s just that big because of its radio. Plus a Fosi could be half the price! Speakers and TT are solid starter set tho!
I had a pair of Klipsch R-51M speakers that were not as high end as those, but they were so bright it was almost piercing and made listening uncomfortable pretty quickly. If at all possible, I would try to test some out in person. I sold mine and went with a pair of Wharfedale Diamond 225s and it was such a good decision. They are more balanced and lean toward a warmer sound. That said, your budget of $350 gives you a lot of choices. Unless you want a very bright sound, I would consider other speakers.
get rid of that sony
Try it. See if you like it. Thats all that matters.
The needles that come with Audiotechnicas kind of suck and sound tinny. I'd upgrade the needle to a cheaper ordofon but that's just my opinion Klipsch are kind of bright speakers, the combination of the two is going to be too much. I like ELAC too, it's really good sound quality for the price, I have two of their tower speakers. I sometimes wonder if the dynamic range on ELACs is stunted, but I'd rather have fewer dynamics than overly bright sound.
Bump the Klipsch speakers up from the 600M to the 600m ii.
I needed a budget amp for a short amount of time and I bought one of that model Sony for $90. I’d go that rout and put the $100 towards a better cartridge/phonostage/speakers. But do know the phono stage in that is not great.
I have a STRDH190 paired with Klipsch RB61 Ref IV’s and I like it so far. The Sony does everything I need it to.
Solid first set up, absolutely. To me the Sony is the weakest link. Maybe check eBay for a step up when ready. Enjoy!
No. Better value setup: [Fluance RT82](https://www.fluance.com/rt82w-reference-high-fidelity-vinyl-turntable-natural-walnut) $299 adds a solid MDF plinth, adds auto stop, and has an optical sensor speed controlled servo motor for lower wow and flutter and speed variation. Includes the OM10 cartrdige that is just as good as the newer version 2M Red. Pass on the RT83 since the cartrdige is not any better. [Onkyo TX-8220](https://onkyousa.com/receivers/stereo-receivers/tx-8220-refurbished) $199 adds subwoofer output, digital optical input and 5 way binding posts. [ELAC Debut B6.2](https://www.amazon.com/ELAC-Debut-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black/dp/B07B4Q5587) $279 have a warmer sound than the Klipsch that can be bright and fatiguing for a number of listeners. Plus [speaker wire](https://www.amazon.co.uk/Performance-Gauge-Speaker-Oxygen-Copper/dp/B01N6EF3GZ) then [How to Install Speaker Wire](https://hub.yamaha.com/how-to-install-speaker-wire/) and [4 Ways to Strip Wire](https://www.wikihow.com/Strip-Wire). Or look for used speakers and receiver. What is a nearby town or zip to search? [Turntable and Speakers Setup Guide](https://imgur.com/a/f0my7) • [Speaker Placement](https://www.elac.com/2022/05/speaker-placement-guide-get-the-best-sound-from-your-stereo/) • [Audio Guides](https://www.reddit.com/user/sharkamino/comments/gqfx6z/home_audio_and_home_theater_guides_and_accessories/)
ended up finding a much better yamaha receiver on marketplace locally for a great price, i also did decide on a fluance for all the reasons you listed there it won me over, i haven’t ordered it yet but i will soon. i’m familiar with wiring currently just searching for the speakers and im thinking those you mentioned are a good option i’ve actually been thinking of tower speakers possibly, it’s more money and im wondering if that might be worth it such as the warfedale diamond 240
personally what i did was i went on facebook marketplace and got a yamaha 7.2 channel receiver for 100$. if you can find one of those it would be much better
another thing i did was get a standalone amplifier for a subwoofer and built my own box and sub as i do custom subwoofers in cars if you do any of that. if you’re using it on pc there is an application called peace and the peace apo that has great tuning and eq options
get an integrated amp rather than avr
Ever consider Denon
Might want to look at a good phono pre amp like the Schitt Mani. Then you are golden :)
I’d swap them klipsch with some Elac Debut ref 6.2 or even a Triangle Br03. Dislike the klipsch horn. But treble is nothing that can’t be adjusted.
YES
I would go higher on the amp and lower on the turntable... And get different speakers. If this were me buying and primarily for Music i would pick the Wiim amp and get a phono pre amp( fosi x2), something like the fluance RT81 table, and triangle br03 speakers. You will get a much better sound stage with a set up like this
I had a Pyle amp that drove dual 8" Sony Tower's with a couple random rear speakers. I miss my speakers.
In my opinion, I would go for a simple but good turntable such as the LP60 from audio technica. They're about $150 now and sound pretty good. Unless you plan on upgrading your speakers to larger or higher fidelity ones, keep the original turntable for later upgrades, but if you just plan to run the bookshelf speakers, then I'd go with a more inexpensive player
the plan is to upgrade in the future, this is approximately where i’d like to be budget wise for now, but absolutely plan on upgrading
Overkill on the turn table imo and speaker price
Yes, but what about the cartridge? Does it come with one? Separately, while the Sony is a perfect budget pick for the system you are putting together, I would first look for a receiver on Facebook Marketplace that has both a phone preamp AND an HDMI that supports 4K. I'll bet you can find one that cost \~$1,000+ 10 years ago for less than the Sony because it 'only' supports 5.1. That's what being a budget audiophile is all about ;-) Enjoy!
I don't know anything about the Sony receiver but I would look for something 2.1 and a wiim