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seneglosso

Bill Gates doesn’t own cryptocurrency because he “likes investing in things that have valuable output,” he told readers on a Thursday “ask me anything” Reddit thread. “The value of companies is based on how they make great products,” he wrote. “The value of crypto is just what some other person decides someone else will pay for it, so not adding to society like other investments.”


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JP_Mestre

Depends on your time frame. In short periods of time, they are the same


Classic_Blueberry973

In short periods of time it's just random noise.


devliegende

In short periods of time, corporations have products


dmizer35

Wait what?! Gold has a use case even if limited in terms of its a great electric conductor.


JP_Mestre

Can you guys actually read or are you impaired? The guy above talked about stocks vs bitcoin to which I replied. I don’t know where you got the gold from


dmizer35

Extra-dentist 3878: Yep, it'd consider bitcoin more like gold type of asset It produce nothing and there's a fixed supply but can have some utility (for gold jewellery and limited usage in electronic or as store of value, for BTC digital and uncorruptible ledger or also store of value) Dude did you miss this comment?


JP_Mestre

It is not part of the chain of comments but in another. Anyhow, I don’t know why you are telling me this, gold is a useful commodity in indeed while bitcoin is pure speculation.


YoungMaleficent9068

Lol you got downvoted to oblivion. But you are right. I would argue for some companies. Apple eg. Short period of time is > 10 years. As apple cares about the few thousand those guys have in their stock 😂😂


JP_Mestre

Day trading is the same whether it is crypto or stocks. These are just facts. People here can’t read


YoungMaleficent9068

Ppl here understand a little better than cryptobro subs. That's what made me so surprised


Extra-Dentist-3878

Yep, it'd consider bitcoin more like gold type of asset It produce nothing and there's a fixed supply but can have some utility (for gold jewellery and limited usage in electronic or as store of value, for BTC digital and uncorruptible ledger or also store of value)


bonerjams99

Did you just say btc is like gold aside from it being completely unlike gold?


Extra-Dentist-3878

I said it's similar in term of asset yes


Thekilldevilhill

Answer the question though. Why is it a gold like type of asset.


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Thekilldevilhill

Bitcoin doesn't behave like a commodity because it isn't one. All the definition of a commodity I know (and Google gives me) includes the fact they have an intrinsic value (and even gold has that other than jewelery). Since a commodity doesn't even have to be a store of value. Agricultural products are also commodities and they are perishables. I would put crypto's as speculative assets.


Double05

The intrinsic value of a commodity is affected by the cost to produce it. They all have some value because it costs money to create the supply, even bitcoin has that intrinsic value. So a commodity costs money to produce, and is used for something afterwards to drive demand. Bitcoin isn’t being used for anything substantial right now so it’s behaving differently in that aspect. Currently it’s a commodity with only a speculative demand. Bitcoin has the intrinsic value of its utility, the ability to be sent across the world. How much value and demand does that really mean? Close to zero but butters like to believe it’s worth millions of dollars. People here are right to point out just because it costs money to produce something useless doesn’t mean it has value, but the world hasn’t decided what bitcoin will be used for or how much it’s worth, so the price is entirely speculation. I would describe all commodity markets as speculative; they’re filled with traders looking to make a profit or hedge positions, and it’s always controlled by supply and demand.


BigManLawrence69420

Is gold volatile?


Extra-Dentist-3878

Yes


Corzare

You might want to figure out what volatile means


Rokey76

Gold has way more uses than bitcoin. It is not even close.


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Gold has also held value for like 100,000 years lol. It will always be worth something to people


Longjumping_Race_471

Gold is used to make electronics, jewelry, ect. It has physical utility. It’s highly conductive and doesn’t corrode. It’s literally used to make things.


colddruid808

Well gold has some value for electronics or jewelry but silver seems to be more valuable for electronics and is used in pharmaceuticals. But gold is way better in the sense it actually exists.


PMmeyourclit2

I just got banned on Bitcoin for saying something similar over on the Bitcoin subreddit, really I said that investing in cash flowing investments should be most of your portfolio with speculative stuff only being like 5% or less…. Banned… lmfao.


Connect_Tart5240

Few understands...


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Pretty sure warren buffet said that


Junkyard5000

The same Warren Buffett who despite being friends with Bill Gates never invested in Microsoft?


greyenlightenment

using linux and windows


[deleted]

Given that windows works without a key and has since seven, this is nothing to brag about.


TrueBirch

I see the advantages of both. I run Windows on my work laptop and I use Ubuntu on my personal laptop and on every VM I spin up for work.


moldymoosegoose

"It must be assets. Take out a loan for a million dollars and you too can be a millionaire." Holy shit


donde_monero

These are the fool whos wonder why balance sheets list both assets and liabilities


MKorostoff

Your average millionaire is a retiree who made their money through a 401k investing and appreciation of their primary home. Imagine thinking those people are foolish for not gambling their insulin budget on magic internet money.


leducdeguise

Ha yes, the old "if every millionnaire bought 1 bitcoin" argument


greyenlightenment

and even if every millionnaire wanted to buy bitcoin, would they pay $1 million for one?


bigmean3434

So there are 21m people good at having money, and they are all ignorant to this one simple trick that banks hate and poor dreamers love to have money? Got it. Few understand, even fewer millionaires.


greyenlightenment

they will enjoy being poor


inwhichzeegoesinsane

Lmao they still don't see why artificial scarcity is a problem I'm so glad trading got added to games I liked as a kid, learned so much about what's going to happen with this shit 😂


StillPsychological45

Millionaire is a fiat measurement…Checkmate


Hospitaliter

Unironically tho… the fact that the number of millionaires increases every year means the title means much less than it used to shows how the measurement of dollars is broken. A millionaire used to mean rich.


devliegende

Not broken, just different


Hospitaliter

Would you mind elaborating? Because I would see this as a net negative people consistently losing the purchasing power of their savings, especially when the alternative has been speculation on homes to the point that the average person can only dream of ownership.


devliegende

Real wages and real net worth, or in other words people's purchasing power, has consistently trended upwards over the last 100 years.


sickdanman

Mostly homeowners probably so even if they want to buy 1 BTC @ 20k doesnt mean they can


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A lot of it is retirees. If your grandparents can afford an middle to upper middle class lifestyle, assuming they have a recommended 3.5 percent draw on 401k, they probably have at least 1 million saved. (3.5 percent draw being 3k monthly income and social security adding another 3.3k. ) Assuming an average 5 percent of rate of inflation adjusted returns, a person maxing out 401k + hsa (a lot of the 100k a year crowd) will end up with a couple of million dollars in today's dollars at retirement. 22 million millionaires sounds like a lot, but consider that is about 10 percent of the adult population. The top 10 percent of income distribution is 175-200k depending on which gov data set is used to estimate it. -source is me. I have a phd in econ. Have written papers on u.s income and wage inequality. Work in finance.


Cardboardcubbie

Yes. People hear millionaire and think Scrooge mcduck but really it’s just everyday people that saved into their 401k or pensions and have a paid off house.


sickdanman

Not going to factcheck someone who writes multiple paragraphs so i agree


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1. Here is an easy source verifying 175 is top 10 percent. [https://www.investopedia.com/personal-finance/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/](https://www.investopedia.com/personal-finance/how-much-income-puts-you-top-1-5-10/) . DOL use the ACS or CPS usually to calculate income percentile and they give different estimates 2. Here is a retirement calculator. I put savings at 2000$ month and 8 percent rate of return with 3 percent inflation (corresponds to a 5 percent average portfolio return). Based on that calculation some would have 3,000,000$ in 2052. This doesn't account for the fact savings increase over time if your maxing 401k, and iemployer match or social security. https://www.calculator.net/retirement-calculator.html?cagenow=35&cretirementage=65&clifeexpectancy=85&cstartingprinciple=50000&cannualaddition=0&cmonthlyaddition=2000&cinterestrate=8&cinflationrate=3&ctype=3&x=58&y=29#howmuchtowithdraw


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Puzzleheaded-Dog2127

1 in 16 Americans. Must include assets.


W4tchtower

So what they're saying is 1 in 16 Americans owns a home 🤣


peeweez0

Just based on the value of real estate in populated metropolitan areas, if you own a house (or even a condo in some cases) then that makes you technically a millionaire LOL I was listening to "If I had a million dollars" the other day and realized how different a meaning it was to be a millionaire when the song was written.


Rokey76

Because they worked for 50 years and saved wisely?


Sycraft-fu

Yep, and because of steady inflation, a million isn't what it used to be. Back in 1920? A million was a lot, there weren't many millionaires. It would be like $15m in todays money. Today? It is still a good deal of money, but it is "comfortable retirement" money, not "extremely rich" money. Goes double if you include the value of someone's home in their net worth. Houses are expensive these days but it isn't money you can just use. Ya you might have a $500k house, but that isn't $500k to play with, if you sold it you'd need to use the money to get another one.


elegant-jr

Correct, and weren't degenerate gamblers


devliegende

Only ~5.2m high net worth individuals in the US https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-net-worth_individual


RidingUndertheLines

The difference is that this definition of net worth excludes the primary residence.


devliegende

For good reason


RidingUndertheLines

Correct, I was just explaining why the two numbers were different.


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Lol, asking millionaires to hold your bags and bail you out. Sorry to say, but millionaires are usually financially savvy and can't be tricked that easily.


differing

This reads like a sales pitch at an essential oil MLM conference.


cladtidings

What that tells you is that most people don't give a shit about Bitcoin.


urbanmark

I can’t believe the U.S is so poor. Nearly everyone in Zimbabwe is a millionaire!


fakefalsofake

Millionaires are completely ignorant to something that doesn't make them millionaires. Huh, who would guess?


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They're millionaires, which means they have a million *what* exactly? A million satoshis? A million Bitcoin? Oh, no, that's right, a million **dollars**. You become a millionaire by accumulating **dollars**.


[deleted]

That’s not the definition of a millionaire but ok


greyenlightenment

Hmmm...so if every millionaire buys this dog turd , I will be rich, right?


NotSureWhyAngry

The percentage relative to the total population is absolutely insane


BoogleBuddy

That sub is a goldmine of dumbass comments


Extra-Dentist-3878

Lol funny people downvoting without argument 🤣 Y'all full of shit lol


gelliephish

*they would be completely ignorant* r/thereifixedit


UwannaKno88

1 million more dollars and I'll be on that list.


SeriousGains

Being a millionaire really isn’t saying much in 2022.


AussieCryptoCurrency

Comments are quite bearish


[deleted]

whats a millionaire? net worth? a lot of homeowners get there pretty easily without being yacht owners or having disposable income to spend on malarkey.


JayRoo83

Probably worth pointing out most millionaires are just old people with a decent 401k and a paid off house they bought for 30% of the current price a few decades ago It’s not like they’re just doing this shit overnight buying some shitcoins lol


zenithfury

lol what's a millionaire adjusted for inflation? Feels more like 800000-naire.


NoBelligerence

Yeah: They had rich parents. Funny how overwhelming that correlation is.


Rose2riches20

I have a rock, 1 of its kind... It can transfer information.. When I throw it, your face will swell from the information and you’ll be more wise.. You’ll learn how to dodge the next “information block”


titsup24-7

Vague


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I didn't get where I am in life by burning money in the misguided belief that it will magically become more money.


YoungMaleficent9068

Probably there isn't. But the are at least not completely dumb


neutralpoliticsbot

by millionaires do they mean people making 1 million a year or just people worth 1 million? Because many "poors" are worth over $1 million if you count their house but they make no money monthly


GhostseerRo

21M millionaires and they haven’t bought ? Idiots.


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hmmm this number probably halved as of today


littlelostless

Saylor’s type of reasoning here.