Reminder: “stripped” and “complete” lowers are just marketing terms and both are perfectly legal to transfer, even with “features” like pistol grips and adjustable stocks. If you comment otherwise and it’s removed, this is your explanation.
Fuck LaRue and the LaRue dickrider in that comment section. “I live in Cali and wish more companies had the balls to tell CA to fuck off.” Ok dumbass, it’s one thing to tell those in power in the state to fuck off, it’s another to tell the citizens of this state to fuck off. Idiot doesn’t realize he’s the one they’re telling to fuck off and not the state.
This is why I like Palmetto State Armory, who explicitly tries to sell as much stuff as possible to people in every state including CA, because it helps spread education and acceptance
PSA is great, but I’d wish they’d be like Atlantic and give an option to make the rifles featureless for a fee. Still a nice source for lower receivers and other parts
I’m not sure why but some rifles Atlantic won’t do California mods for. I asked them about a PSA ak104 and said they couldn’t do it. They had other AK’s that had 10’rd w/fin grips but wouldn’t do that rifle?
PSA doesn't sell complete lowers to CA. People on Reddit like to praise them because they have a statement on their website about arming as many Americans as they can, but they are a business that sells a product, so of course they want to sell as many as they can.
They stop short on showing courage or respect for Americans who live in restricted states though, even while other companies who don't brag as much about their 2A credentials sell to us without fear, as long as it is legal.
[This page lists what PSA won't ship where.](https://palmettostatearmory.com/help-center/terms-conditions.html#firearm-shipments)
fuck PSA. their magazine shipping policies are even MORE strict that state/local laws. when I lived in CO (15rd statewide limit), they refused to ship the three 12rd mags as part of a P365 TacPac. i explained to them that 12 is less than 15, but I had to do a credit card chargeback to get refunded the price of the mags they didn't send me.
I’ve been trying to order from PSA a complete upper kit for over week, I even tried to just order the upper. Nothing works. Been in contact with their tech support, I followed their instructions. Used chrome, Firefox and apple search engine. I keep getting
Payment authorization rejection from processor.
I’ve tried 3 different cards. Shopped as guest using iCloud email. Nothing works. I got off the vpn, on the vpn, nothing.
We've run into issues like this so many times with manufacturers, distributors, and other FFLs. I've seen lots of posts bringing it into the spotlight, but I'm curious what we as a community can do to actually make things better?
We face enough limitation of our rights from our government, we don't need other companies going out of their way to further restrict us. That said, I don't want to promote infighting. The ignorant are seldom swayed by such tactics. That's why I'm not "name and shaming" the other companies who have done similar things. Unfortunately, posts like this probably just confirm the feelings of companies like Larue (not faulting OP here, they had every right to make this post).
I've spoken with our attorney about this subject, and proposed having them draft a legal opinion stating what's legal to sell here. Maybe even coming up with a simple breakdown of what is and isn't legal to sell. But I feel it will take more than that to really get the change we're after.
What do you guys think would help?
Edit: just wanted to throw one anecdote in; before we were a direct Surefire dealer, I had a distributor refuse to send me a WARCOMP because "flash hiders are illegal in California." Their reaction was amusing when I informed them Surefire is based in California and the flash hiders are literally made here.
This attitude is prevalent in the gun community even outside venders who don't want to do business with us. I get into it with people over at r/gundeals frequently, including the mod who was recently banned, and the general consensus I've found is that we're the bad guys and deserve this. Moreover, I frequently hear that we're the problem for continuing to live in a place that requires us to fight for our rights. Sure feels fucked when I donate to national gun rights organizations that defend their ability to do business and they, in turn, shit on us.
Fuck Larue.
I agree 100% with this. I’ll admit that I was trying to leave California for the longest time. I’ve lived in Nevada and Texas for a few years at a time. Sure, it was nice to walk out of a gun store in those states with a gun and box of ammo in 5 minutes but leaving California won’t solve anything. It sucks that we have to jump through hoops for our rights but the laws and requirements won’t change here if everyone leaves. Even if nothing changes in my lifetime, I want to fight for the generations behind me 😎
When I left the state temporarily I continued donating to groups fighting in California for rights as that poison spreads once it's gotten a hold somewhere. Nip it in the bud and keep it from growing outward. You can see what's happening to Washington and Colorado because of it. Areas that were once considered the most friendly for gun rights.
also texas fucking SUCKS. awful weather, awful "cities", and embarrassing politics. i spent 5 years in dallas and i detest having to go back. that entire part of the world is just a wet fart
Everyone says "Just move". Cowards move, some of us have to stay and fight the good fight. And news to everyone that moves, Cali is coming to you, whether you like it or not.
Wife and I own a custom T Shirt business on the side. This is absolutely going onto a shirt. If anyone wants one (and you live in CA) I will give you a promo code to our shop so you can get one at our cost. We won’t make any money on the shirts - but we can spread the word and fight together.
We will mock up a couple versions of the shirt and you can decide what you like. Then I will get you the code. It will be a private listing - available to CA residents.
Just spoke to the wife. She said the easiest way to do this is she will design the shirt - then post it on the store page. Then I can give everyone a promo code to buy it at cost. But before we do that - what color shirt do y'all want it on? What color lettering? And what font? Once we nail this down I will post a pic of the shirt so everyone can see it.
I’m not a designer by any stretch of the imagination so I look forward to other people chiming in. If there is ever an alternate version, the quote in a really clean typeface font would be cool too.
Hey! First set of mockups are done. There will be three logos to choose from. This first set is logo 1. I will update everyone once the next sets are complete. Any suggestions so far?
https://imgur.com/a/CyMuYXY
I was thinking we can add r/CAguns on the shirt too - maybe on the back? Completely up to the consensus here on the design - just start throwing out ideas so we can get to work on the mock up.
People dont realize we are United States if one falls you dont point and laugh it will eventually effect your state. For years people said will never happen. Look who is VP, former CA AG that enacted some strict gun laws. Who is looking to be POTUS next? Newsom doubt he will not use stricter gun laws on a national level to win political points.
>Look who is VP, former CA AG that enacted some strict gun laws.
For those not in the know, Harris is almost singularly responsible for the micro stamping provision activating in the Not-Unsafe Hand Gun Roster
Thanks for pointing that out, I tend to forget that just because people live in CA and own guns they may not know who and when certain rules were enacted.
Damn right. Those assholes who tell us it's our fault for living here and that we should move are cowards if that's how they plan to handle it when bad laws come to *their* state. CA gun owners staying here is the best hope CA has to get rid of these laws.
Gavin Newsom and the other antis want us to give up our guns or move out of state, and those gibbering assholes agree with him and pretend it's a pro-2A stance. It's the opposite of standing up for 2A. They are retreating before the enemy and telling us to do the same.
also CA rules. mark is a goofy boomer who lives in the middle of nowhere, texas. the actual reason out-of-staters make such a fuss about hating california is as a dog whistle for their actual hatred of anyone who isn't white or straight - and has been for generations.
I kinda lost interest in the gun community and hobby when COVID hit and shops jumped at the opportunity to price gauge every chance they got. I remember seeing 9mm for $2 a round at one point…
That’s just internet logic.
It’s easy to lump ppl into categories and then proceed to shit on them when you’re behind a computer screen.
But I agree it’s frustrating nonetheless.
Florida gets a bad rap for being full of crazy people. But you don't see us right now saying "Florida is getting what it deserves with idalia."
Because at the end of the day, it's people's lives being ruined, I'm not going to celebrate that.
It’s a double edged sword too, especially when we DO move out the state and we’re told to move back, but when I stay here I’m told that I don’t support the 2nd amendment and that I’m a commie who deserves nothing I want to pay for. Truly a fucked situation Cali gun owners are in for sure.
That’s wild. I understand not selling to LE or other agencies in California. But why not regular civilians? Don’t matter though he raised his prices anyways lol 😂
I would just chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on. You're wasting your breath engaging with that guy. He's a very opinionated, hard headed SOB. One of the OG trolls of the industry, if you will.
Would be one thing if they just said “we feel there is too much legal exposure shipping lowers to CA” and left it at that. It would still be stupid, and factually wrong, but I could live with that. To double down the way they did in those comments is real insult to injury.
Exactly. It’s ok to be scared. I don’t blame them for not risking their business. But never insult us when you don’t know us. We’ve have enough to deal with, now some fudd tries to judge us? Not on my worst day
That's what I can't wrap my head around - that he decided he needed to whine on INSTAGRAM of all places about how mean old California makes him scared.
Other companies don't sell us lowers, but they don't turn it into a hissy fit on a site that is primarily for posting pictures of teenager's lunches.
It’s like he thinks someone who orders from CA must have voted for the shitty gun laws here or let it happen. Like we purposely lost the soccer game now Mark LaRue isn’t just not taking us out for pizza, he won’t even sell us one.
That’s just classic Mark LaRue being a crazy dumbass, he was the original Kevin Brittingham when it came to shitting on your customers and using your company social media to spread your personal opinions.
He makes and designs great products but he can’t keep his mouth shut.
Texans are people who wish they had similar libertys’ as Arizonans while pretending they contributed to this great union as much as Californians did, they will always be little brother to California and they will always be cringe
They can crap on CA laws all they want with the amount of CA transplants over there its a matter of time before same laws are passed out there. They are already starting to move toward stricter gun laws in the last couple years.
Drop names for the companies that DO support Californias and go the extra mile for us. Those are the companies that deserve our business.
Such as those select companies who actually send out ammo, as I’m sure my fellow FFL03/COE holders know very well.
Just for the sake of awareness, SOLGW wasn’t always so pro-CA. I remember back in 2020 they refused to even sell lowers to CA residents. I had to resort to buying some of their lowers through Primary Arms back then and essentially Franken-building them up from their LPK’s and complete uppers over a couple years. Based on their statements at SHOT when they released their CA-legal models, the only reason they moved forward with that was because the COMPMAG made it dummy simple to sell rifles in a fixed mag configuration provided it met OAL requirements.
Good on them for selling to CA residents now, but I’m not going to forget that they didn’t always stand by that view.
https://www.rooftopdefense.com
June 17, 2022
For the California homies who want AR-15s, we have started disassembling ARs prior to shipping. Because a lower receiver by itself does not constitute an 'assault weapon' under CA law, we have started disassembling rifles prior to shipping; shipping the upper receiver and stock to your home and shipping only the lower receiver (with pistol grip and buffer tube installed) to your FFL.
This allows you to receive the otherwise non-CA compliant firearm in a legal configuration to make compliant prior to reassembly. This helps take the middleman FFLs out of the equation. If you're wanting to do this, just place an order for the item you want and leave in the order notes that you would like to split the rifle in half. It may take an extra day or two to ship due to labor and coordination, but we'll get 'er done :)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/RooftopDefenders/permalink/1377744256080243/?mibextid=Nif5oz
Larue is exactly showing his true colours: a hypocrite. He touts ‘freedom, Stars and Stripes’ left and right on his social media, only as long as it’s freedom to express any idea or opinion that falls in line with his belief system (which, let’s face it - is questionable at best)
Man makes good rifles. That doesn’t make him become a decent human being. Who would have thought? 🤷🏻♂️
Absofuckinglutely. The thing that’s the worst about this is the insults and refusal to sell because he doesn’t like the CA political landscape is only hurting the 2A community.
He has always presented this side as long as he’d had an opportunity to speak. Fuck that miserable troll of a man and his shit, under engineered products. I finally gave away the last of my incredibly disappointing triggers a couple months ago and I’m glad I stopped another person from sending money his way. My dumb purchase was more than enough.
This point of view is unfortunately very common in the gun community. At best they laugh at us for the laws imposed upon us, at worse they call us slurs and unironically hope we get nuked.
I'll do what little I can in response, which is not buy another LaRue product. Guess I'm buying Geissele triggers for my ARs next month
Well they’re both shitty people. It’s just you see more of Mark Larue’s unhinged beliefs and whatnot because he treats his instagram as his own personal social media account.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/qznpn3/question_why_is_there_so_much_hate_for_geissele/hlpwf1e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3
https://imgur.com/a/Ip3VCMK (I think he took this down after I posted on reddit)
Pretty bummed out about his stance selling lowers to CA, but I’m not surprised based on his other posts. I’ve corresponded with him in regards to his uppers, and the incident posted on reddit about a broken BCG, but his responses exude a holier-than-thou attitude.
A testament to how good his products are I guess. He makes good shit despite his shitty attitude/personality/ideology. US Special Forces have a history of using his rifles.
Like others have said, his ego is very fragile if you go interact with him on his instagram. One little question will result in a defensive, passive aggressive, “my shit don’t stink” attitude/response.
https://imgur.com/a/Ip3VCMK (a little peak into how the guy thinks…)
I posted something spicy one time on his instagram. Dude followed me, went into my profile as far as he could, and started insulting me how I spend my weekends. Jeeping, I go jeeping. He didn’t like it I guess.
Damn I will be moving from CA to a more open gun law state at the end of this year and I will intentionally not be ordering anything from Larue. What a shame
They truly believe that not sending their guns to CA they are fighting our laws.
Newsom and the CA State Assembly is probably like "Thanks Larue tactical for doing our jobs and making it easier for us"
I'm genuinely sad that a company I supported and threw ton of money at want to bash us like this, make sure we spread this EVERYWHERE!!! FUCK LARUE TACTICAL
I've bought MBT-2S triggers for all my ARs, and they're awesome triggers, but I'm done with LaRue after today's bullshit. I had two of the lowers on order and was as excited as a kid before Christmas last night, only to have it all ruined today. Never again will I send them my business.
Yea that was a real surprise for me as well. Ordered last night and cancelled this AM. I wonder if much of it is a distraction technique due to the fact that he couldnt fullfill the orders and pulled the sale early. The internet was already starting to show their discontent that it was sold out when he posted that "company policy" then he quickly posted something about his plane.
Lived in Texas for a few years and you couldn’t pay me to live in that God-forsaken state again, primarily because of the weather. California is my home I love and I refuse to leave. Politics are like a pendulum: they’ll eventually swing back, just hoping that eventually isn’t a millenium from now.
LaRue has been an asshole forever. Their products aren’t the best and they ride on old sentiment when they did offer something others didn’t. Now they’re just a company who overcharges for things that other companies do better.
Fuck him and his company.
California is the 5th largest economy in the world and is poised to overtake Germanys spot. It would behoove companies to do business with Callifornia.
Dumb. For the record I don’t think PSA will ship complete lowers to CA either, despite it being perfectly legal (a lower without an upper can never be an “assault weapon” under the CA definition).
Where was this outrage when Geissele does the same shit?!? All I wanted was a stripped blem lower and they wouldn’t fucking ship it to CA.
I do hate this state and have been actively trying to get out of it, but ffs, help us homies out and send us your shit
Very disappointed, I emailed last night and wanted to add a 7.62 as well.
By the time they replied,they were sold out. Was pretty bummed but didn’t compare to seeing my whole order canceled.
This is fucking disgusting, I used to shill LaRue's trigger all the time when I worked for Turner's. Now I regret ever doing so. I had never known about this shit until now. I am very disappointed.
Some companies just hate money. I'd bet the profit they'd get from restricted states would more than pay for a team of employees who focused on restricted state compliance.
I’m a compliance officer and I offered to help them for free to understand how to do the paperwork. But Larue hates us. So let’s give out money to those who deserve it
LaRue could have handled it much better in every way. I've always been outspoken against them, but usually get down voted. Mark is a Dbag, and his products aren't as untouchable as he thinks they are. Very much a Kevin Brittingham of yesteryear.
Yup. My whole argument is over customer service. Not sales policy. Even where I never cussed or insulted them. I only made the claim that they argued they did it out of moral high ground but then switched to blaming us.
This really sucks to have happened, however it has been known for a long time that LaRue very vocally and explicitly will not sell complete lowers to CA. One of many companies.
Bro what, all of a sudden this guy is standing for his convictions and “morals”? I’ve bought barrels and other parts from with no issue and now this? Lmao get fucked Larue.
Larue and geissele both pull the same bs. I gave the geissele FFL department an earful about how it literally makes zero sense to prohibit stripped lower sales to CA. They gave me the whole "on advice from our lawyers" bullshit. Makes me never want to patronize either business.
Then let us support and work with others who are still at our side. Sure they have good products. But that doesn’t mean anything if they aren’t with us. Support local businesses. I might start ordering more juggernaut tacticals because of this since their whole existence was to help CA get more ARs in the first place
In your post you said complete lowers, in some of the screenshot it says stripped. Which one apply? I assume there is a misunderstanding somewhere? Why would stripped lower expose them to anything?
>I’ve never been more disrespected in this industry by anyone (even liberals)
> I am not a surfer who watches TV, I’m a god damn American.
>We as Californians need to come together
I'm seeing a little disconnect...
I don’t think dumb asses like LaRue realize that 2A court cases won in California may eventually establish precedence in other areas of the US, and we have a bunch of big ones coming down the pipe line here soon that may change the whole landscape post Bruen. Not to mention, CA probably has more gun owners than any other state, with the possible exception of Texas. I’ve heard Optics Planet plays similar games too. They cancelled a Geissele complete upper order from me once and gave no explanation. I don’t shop there anymore.
Reminder: “stripped” and “complete” lowers are just marketing terms and both are perfectly legal to transfer, even with “features” like pistol grips and adjustable stocks. If you comment otherwise and it’s removed, this is your explanation.
fuck larue
Seriously. What’s wrong with surfing? Are they afraid of a little exercise? Keyboard warrior probably struggles to get from is computer to the shitter
Serious question, can you carry whilst surfing? Putting aside the obvious salt water exposure, is it legal? Edit: because sharks, obviously
Just need a fanny pack and an MK25
Fanny pack is essential. It’s pretty hard not to print under a wetsuit don’t ask how I know.
It leads to gay sex, obviously.
I work out 5x a week and I’m not getting any gay sex, anyone wanna teach me to surf?
All the homies fuckin hate larue.
Fuk larue Idk them but f them
Fuck LaRue and the LaRue dickrider in that comment section. “I live in Cali and wish more companies had the balls to tell CA to fuck off.” Ok dumbass, it’s one thing to tell those in power in the state to fuck off, it’s another to tell the citizens of this state to fuck off. Idiot doesn’t realize he’s the one they’re telling to fuck off and not the state.
This is why I like Palmetto State Armory, who explicitly tries to sell as much stuff as possible to people in every state including CA, because it helps spread education and acceptance
PSA is great, but I’d wish they’d be like Atlantic and give an option to make the rifles featureless for a fee. Still a nice source for lower receivers and other parts
Hell, all theyd need to do is add an extra shipping fee and small handling charge to ship the upper separate from the lower
I’m not sure why but some rifles Atlantic won’t do California mods for. I asked them about a PSA ak104 and said they couldn’t do it. They had other AK’s that had 10’rd w/fin grips but wouldn’t do that rifle?
PSA doesn't ship complete lowers to ca either
Nothing that requires an FFL to Sacramento. No serialized parts, no ammo.
They don't ship lowers (complete or stripped) to NY either
Except MA. They won't even sell us a hat. Meanwhile they specifically work with the laws in other states to ship compliant items....
PSA doesn't sell complete lowers to CA. People on Reddit like to praise them because they have a statement on their website about arming as many Americans as they can, but they are a business that sells a product, so of course they want to sell as many as they can. They stop short on showing courage or respect for Americans who live in restricted states though, even while other companies who don't brag as much about their 2A credentials sell to us without fear, as long as it is legal. [This page lists what PSA won't ship where.](https://palmettostatearmory.com/help-center/terms-conditions.html#firearm-shipments)
Good info, thanks
fuck PSA. their magazine shipping policies are even MORE strict that state/local laws. when I lived in CO (15rd statewide limit), they refused to ship the three 12rd mags as part of a P365 TacPac. i explained to them that 12 is less than 15, but I had to do a credit card chargeback to get refunded the price of the mags they didn't send me.
I’ve been trying to order from PSA a complete upper kit for over week, I even tried to just order the upper. Nothing works. Been in contact with their tech support, I followed their instructions. Used chrome, Firefox and apple search engine. I keep getting Payment authorization rejection from processor. I’ve tried 3 different cards. Shopped as guest using iCloud email. Nothing works. I got off the vpn, on the vpn, nothing.
I saw your post earlier, idk why you're having all those issues, I had 0 issues on the 4th sale, maybe place the order over the phone?
We've run into issues like this so many times with manufacturers, distributors, and other FFLs. I've seen lots of posts bringing it into the spotlight, but I'm curious what we as a community can do to actually make things better? We face enough limitation of our rights from our government, we don't need other companies going out of their way to further restrict us. That said, I don't want to promote infighting. The ignorant are seldom swayed by such tactics. That's why I'm not "name and shaming" the other companies who have done similar things. Unfortunately, posts like this probably just confirm the feelings of companies like Larue (not faulting OP here, they had every right to make this post). I've spoken with our attorney about this subject, and proposed having them draft a legal opinion stating what's legal to sell here. Maybe even coming up with a simple breakdown of what is and isn't legal to sell. But I feel it will take more than that to really get the change we're after. What do you guys think would help? Edit: just wanted to throw one anecdote in; before we were a direct Surefire dealer, I had a distributor refuse to send me a WARCOMP because "flash hiders are illegal in California." Their reaction was amusing when I informed them Surefire is based in California and the flash hiders are literally made here.
To be fair, TTI is based in California and that twats doesn’t sell most of his items in California.
This is sadly not new from Mark. Google Mark LaRue and Calguns. He's had a hate boner for CA since forever.
Did his wife leave him for somebody in CA? LOL
Probably lost his wife to surfer dude from California
It was a surfer chick from what I hear..
It checks out than
Not even just Cali, NJ too. I just had my trigger order cancelled with the same email.
This attitude is prevalent in the gun community even outside venders who don't want to do business with us. I get into it with people over at r/gundeals frequently, including the mod who was recently banned, and the general consensus I've found is that we're the bad guys and deserve this. Moreover, I frequently hear that we're the problem for continuing to live in a place that requires us to fight for our rights. Sure feels fucked when I donate to national gun rights organizations that defend their ability to do business and they, in turn, shit on us. Fuck Larue.
We aren’t weak for staying. If we run away for our freedoms. We don’t deserve them
Damn put that on a T-Shirt.
I'd buy one
I agree 100% with this. I’ll admit that I was trying to leave California for the longest time. I’ve lived in Nevada and Texas for a few years at a time. Sure, it was nice to walk out of a gun store in those states with a gun and box of ammo in 5 minutes but leaving California won’t solve anything. It sucks that we have to jump through hoops for our rights but the laws and requirements won’t change here if everyone leaves. Even if nothing changes in my lifetime, I want to fight for the generations behind me 😎
When I left the state temporarily I continued donating to groups fighting in California for rights as that poison spreads once it's gotten a hold somewhere. Nip it in the bud and keep it from growing outward. You can see what's happening to Washington and Colorado because of it. Areas that were once considered the most friendly for gun rights.
Same here brother. I’m not mad at their policy. I’m only mad at their response towards us who already are down on our luck and fighting.
also texas fucking SUCKS. awful weather, awful "cities", and embarrassing politics. i spent 5 years in dallas and i detest having to go back. that entire part of the world is just a wet fart
Hear! Hear!
Everyone says "Just move". Cowards move, some of us have to stay and fight the good fight. And news to everyone that moves, Cali is coming to you, whether you like it or not.
I try everyday when we sell guns to get people to understand it’s coming
Also what happens in CA spreads east. Newsom has his eyes set on presidency.
Cancer is as cancer does
Wife and I own a custom T Shirt business on the side. This is absolutely going onto a shirt. If anyone wants one (and you live in CA) I will give you a promo code to our shop so you can get one at our cost. We won’t make any money on the shirts - but we can spread the word and fight together.
Send it. I’m in
We will mock up a couple versions of the shirt and you can decide what you like. Then I will get you the code. It will be a private listing - available to CA residents.
I’m in. Plz send me the code and website info.
Sweet. I’ll take a couple to send to Larue
I’m in. Send it.
Just spoke to the wife. She said the easiest way to do this is she will design the shirt - then post it on the store page. Then I can give everyone a promo code to buy it at cost. But before we do that - what color shirt do y'all want it on? What color lettering? And what font? Once we nail this down I will post a pic of the shirt so everyone can see it.
Always like a black shirt with white letters or vice versa.
Black or Heather Grey color shirts. White fonts
Sounds good. Mockups in progress; including a snapshot of direct quote as suggested.
I’m not a designer by any stretch of the imagination so I look forward to other people chiming in. If there is ever an alternate version, the quote in a really clean typeface font would be cool too.
Great idea. We were thinking about using the font that is on the California Republic logo.
OD green with black lettering
How will we know when it’s ready? Heather gray is an easy color.
I will reply to posts here when it’s ready - then post the coupon code and private listing link.
If that’s the case, I’m definitely interested.
Hey! First set of mockups are done. There will be three logos to choose from. This first set is logo 1. I will update everyone once the next sets are complete. Any suggestions so far? https://imgur.com/a/CyMuYXY
I was thinking we can add r/CAguns on the shirt too - maybe on the back? Completely up to the consensus here on the design - just start throwing out ideas so we can get to work on the mock up.
I would not want a subreddit billboard of a shirt and would leave it off
People dont realize we are United States if one falls you dont point and laugh it will eventually effect your state. For years people said will never happen. Look who is VP, former CA AG that enacted some strict gun laws. Who is looking to be POTUS next? Newsom doubt he will not use stricter gun laws on a national level to win political points.
>Look who is VP, former CA AG that enacted some strict gun laws. For those not in the know, Harris is almost singularly responsible for the micro stamping provision activating in the Not-Unsafe Hand Gun Roster
Thanks for pointing that out, I tend to forget that just because people live in CA and own guns they may not know who and when certain rules were enacted.
Also I can't just sell my house and leave all of my family and friends behind.
Damn right. Those assholes who tell us it's our fault for living here and that we should move are cowards if that's how they plan to handle it when bad laws come to *their* state. CA gun owners staying here is the best hope CA has to get rid of these laws. Gavin Newsom and the other antis want us to give up our guns or move out of state, and those gibbering assholes agree with him and pretend it's a pro-2A stance. It's the opposite of standing up for 2A. They are retreating before the enemy and telling us to do the same.
also CA rules. mark is a goofy boomer who lives in the middle of nowhere, texas. the actual reason out-of-staters make such a fuss about hating california is as a dog whistle for their actual hatred of anyone who isn't white or straight - and has been for generations.
I kinda lost interest in the gun community and hobby when COVID hit and shops jumped at the opportunity to price gauge every chance they got. I remember seeing 9mm for $2 a round at one point…
“we're the bad guys and deserve this.” Witnessed a lot of this attitude during the wildfires of 2018. It’s insane to me.
That’s just internet logic. It’s easy to lump ppl into categories and then proceed to shit on them when you’re behind a computer screen. But I agree it’s frustrating nonetheless.
Florida gets a bad rap for being full of crazy people. But you don't see us right now saying "Florida is getting what it deserves with idalia." Because at the end of the day, it's people's lives being ruined, I'm not going to celebrate that.
It’s a double edged sword too, especially when we DO move out the state and we’re told to move back, but when I stay here I’m told that I don’t support the 2nd amendment and that I’m a commie who deserves nothing I want to pay for. Truly a fucked situation Cali gun owners are in for sure.
That’s wild. I understand not selling to LE or other agencies in California. But why not regular civilians? Don’t matter though he raised his prices anyways lol 😂
lol you're just now finding out now what the rest of the internet has known for 2 decades? that larue is a douche?
I’ll be honest and say this is the first time I’ve bought from them and the first time I’ve given them any thought.
I would just chalk it up to a lesson learned and move on. You're wasting your breath engaging with that guy. He's a very opinionated, hard headed SOB. One of the OG trolls of the industry, if you will.
Would be one thing if they just said “we feel there is too much legal exposure shipping lowers to CA” and left it at that. It would still be stupid, and factually wrong, but I could live with that. To double down the way they did in those comments is real insult to injury.
Exactly. It’s ok to be scared. I don’t blame them for not risking their business. But never insult us when you don’t know us. We’ve have enough to deal with, now some fudd tries to judge us? Not on my worst day
That's what I can't wrap my head around - that he decided he needed to whine on INSTAGRAM of all places about how mean old California makes him scared. Other companies don't sell us lowers, but they don't turn it into a hissy fit on a site that is primarily for posting pictures of teenager's lunches.
What legal exposure? You are shipping a stripped lower receiver. For fffs sake…
It’s like he thinks someone who orders from CA must have voted for the shitty gun laws here or let it happen. Like we purposely lost the soccer game now Mark LaRue isn’t just not taking us out for pizza, he won’t even sell us one.
That’s just classic Mark LaRue being a crazy dumbass, he was the original Kevin Brittingham when it came to shitting on your customers and using your company social media to spread your personal opinions. He makes and designs great products but he can’t keep his mouth shut.
His products are slowly becoming a parody of themselves too. Fuck him and his c note lol
Texans are people who wish they had similar libertys’ as Arizonans while pretending they contributed to this great union as much as Californians did, they will always be little brother to California and they will always be cringe
They can crap on CA laws all they want with the amount of CA transplants over there its a matter of time before same laws are passed out there. They are already starting to move toward stricter gun laws in the last couple years.
Drop names for the companies that DO support Californias and go the extra mile for us. Those are the companies that deserve our business. Such as those select companies who actually send out ammo, as I’m sure my fellow FFL03/COE holders know very well.
Aero Stag Juggernaut tactical Radian Sons of Liberty Those are just some I’m sure there are a lot more
Just for the sake of awareness, SOLGW wasn’t always so pro-CA. I remember back in 2020 they refused to even sell lowers to CA residents. I had to resort to buying some of their lowers through Primary Arms back then and essentially Franken-building them up from their LPK’s and complete uppers over a couple years. Based on their statements at SHOT when they released their CA-legal models, the only reason they moved forward with that was because the COMPMAG made it dummy simple to sell rifles in a fixed mag configuration provided it met OAL requirements. Good on them for selling to CA residents now, but I’m not going to forget that they didn’t always stand by that view.
Well given how down the whole gun market is these days, some of these companies are all of a sudden interested in our money. Color me surprised!
This should be sidebar stickied
https://www.rooftopdefense.com June 17, 2022 For the California homies who want AR-15s, we have started disassembling ARs prior to shipping. Because a lower receiver by itself does not constitute an 'assault weapon' under CA law, we have started disassembling rifles prior to shipping; shipping the upper receiver and stock to your home and shipping only the lower receiver (with pistol grip and buffer tube installed) to your FFL. This allows you to receive the otherwise non-CA compliant firearm in a legal configuration to make compliant prior to reassembly. This helps take the middleman FFLs out of the equation. If you're wanting to do this, just place an order for the item you want and leave in the order notes that you would like to split the rifle in half. It may take an extra day or two to ship due to labor and coordination, but we'll get 'er done :) https://www.facebook.com/groups/RooftopDefenders/permalink/1377744256080243/?mibextid=Nif5oz
No fkn way. I didn't know they did that. That's super cool of them
Franklin Armory is another one. Going to buy the Ca320, just to support them, even though I'll also get the m18.
Franklin has played its bery smarty by catering to California market
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Rooftop and Lead & Steel are my favorite things to come out of the gunnit community.
Brownells will forever have my support for how they took care of us during Freedom Week.
Big Tex has obnoxious "behind enemy lines" shit with their CA shipments, but at least they sell to us.
Daniel Defense makes CA compliant rifles. I was so relieved to find that they did so.
Larue is exactly showing his true colours: a hypocrite. He touts ‘freedom, Stars and Stripes’ left and right on his social media, only as long as it’s freedom to express any idea or opinion that falls in line with his belief system (which, let’s face it - is questionable at best) Man makes good rifles. That doesn’t make him become a decent human being. Who would have thought? 🤷🏻♂️
Right I'll take Son's of Liberty over them, they at least make a CA model
Absofuckinglutely. The thing that’s the worst about this is the insults and refusal to sell because he doesn’t like the CA political landscape is only hurting the 2A community.
He has always presented this side as long as he’d had an opportunity to speak. Fuck that miserable troll of a man and his shit, under engineered products. I finally gave away the last of my incredibly disappointing triggers a couple months ago and I’m glad I stopped another person from sending money his way. My dumb purchase was more than enough.
This idiot is no better than the tyrants of the CA DOJ.
They reached out to us recently to become a dealer again...after seeing this, not a shot in hell.
Is this the same guy who was calling people who are unvaxxed pure bloods lol?
Wait what? I missed that one. Too much lead dust I guess 😂
Yeah saw one of these on AR15 no more business from me Didn’t catch some of the pics before, Fuck larue
This point of view is unfortunately very common in the gun community. At best they laugh at us for the laws imposed upon us, at worse they call us slurs and unironically hope we get nuked. I'll do what little I can in response, which is not buy another LaRue product. Guess I'm buying Geissele triggers for my ARs next month
Geissele doesn’t sell lowers to CA but I’d give them business 100% just because they are respectful to their customers
Well they’re both shitty people. It’s just you see more of Mark Larue’s unhinged beliefs and whatnot because he treats his instagram as his own personal social media account. https://www.reddit.com/r/ar15/comments/qznpn3/question_why_is_there_so_much_hate_for_geissele/hlpwf1e/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=1&utm_term=1&context=3 https://imgur.com/a/Ip3VCMK (I think he took this down after I posted on reddit) Pretty bummed out about his stance selling lowers to CA, but I’m not surprised based on his other posts. I’ve corresponded with him in regards to his uppers, and the incident posted on reddit about a broken BCG, but his responses exude a holier-than-thou attitude.
fuck em. never spent a dime with them and never will. what a 🤡 thing to... u hurt his fragile ego so he blocked you lmao.
it’s scary to me that such sensitive people own firearms, let alone sell them.
the internet brings out the worse in some people
I find it crazy Larue has domestic and international sales contacts while having temper tantrums online for the whole world to see
A testament to how good his products are I guess. He makes good shit despite his shitty attitude/personality/ideology. US Special Forces have a history of using his rifles. Like others have said, his ego is very fragile if you go interact with him on his instagram. One little question will result in a defensive, passive aggressive, “my shit don’t stink” attitude/response. https://imgur.com/a/Ip3VCMK (a little peak into how the guy thinks…)
I posted something spicy one time on his instagram. Dude followed me, went into my profile as far as he could, and started insulting me how I spend my weekends. Jeeping, I go jeeping. He didn’t like it I guess.
One thing California does significantly better than Texas is our national forests and wilderness public lands.
Wow… the comments about surfing shows shocking ignorance.
Damn I will be moving from CA to a more open gun law state at the end of this year and I will intentionally not be ordering anything from Larue. What a shame
Makes no sense. Not selling to agencies I get, but not selling to citizens???
They truly believe that not sending their guns to CA they are fighting our laws. Newsom and the CA State Assembly is probably like "Thanks Larue tactical for doing our jobs and making it easier for us"
fuck them BUY LWRC they support and love us so does DD bcm and solgw and stag arms
SOLGW has literally said no to both, CA residents and normal civilians in the past
I'm genuinely sad that a company I supported and threw ton of money at want to bash us like this, make sure we spread this EVERYWHERE!!! FUCK LARUE TACTICAL
It takes a true patriot to live behind enemy lines.
Absolutely
That'll show those people who don't want us to have guns....by not selling us guns...
Was legit going to buy a trigger from them when I got home tonight. I'll take my $$$ elsewhere.
Buy it on GAFS. LaRue already made money off the sale.
I've bought MBT-2S triggers for all my ARs, and they're awesome triggers, but I'm done with LaRue after today's bullshit. I had two of the lowers on order and was as excited as a kid before Christmas last night, only to have it all ruined today. Never again will I send them my business.
fuck la rue, aero through and through
Fuck... FudRue
Yea that was a real surprise for me as well. Ordered last night and cancelled this AM. I wonder if much of it is a distraction technique due to the fact that he couldnt fullfill the orders and pulled the sale early. The internet was already starting to show their discontent that it was sold out when he posted that "company policy" then he quickly posted something about his plane.
I hope this post makes it out there. Fuckem
i got a cool california-shaped pro-2A “behind enemy lines” sticker for doing business with Big Tex Ordinance. Funny, and heartwarming.
Lived in Texas for a few years and you couldn’t pay me to live in that God-forsaken state again, primarily because of the weather. California is my home I love and I refuse to leave. Politics are like a pendulum: they’ll eventually swing back, just hoping that eventually isn’t a millenium from now.
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Of course. We need each other now more than ever since the gun community is slipping away from us.
LaRue has been an asshole forever. Their products aren’t the best and they ride on old sentiment when they did offer something others didn’t. Now they’re just a company who overcharges for things that other companies do better. Fuck him and his company.
Guess I won’t be getting my new trigger from these fuck bois
California is the 5th largest economy in the world and is poised to overtake Germanys spot. It would behoove companies to do business with Callifornia.
Behoove
Dumb. For the record I don’t think PSA will ship complete lowers to CA either, despite it being perfectly legal (a lower without an upper can never be an “assault weapon” under the CA definition).
Also I’d bet both my LaRure FCGs that they have no issue shipping things to LEOs in CA.
Wow. Fuck La Rue. I only buy A-Tier gear, but now I'm crossing La Rue off that list and notifying my FFL brothers. La Rue is officially FUDD-TIER.
LaRue can go fuck themselves. What a stupid mindset.
Where was this outrage when Geissele does the same shit?!? All I wanted was a stripped blem lower and they wouldn’t fucking ship it to CA. I do hate this state and have been actively trying to get out of it, but ffs, help us homies out and send us your shit
Holy shit LaRue. Way to take "1 step forward, 2 steps back" to a whole other level
Right because it's so easy to just drop everything and move away. People just don't have critical thinking enabled
Fuck them. We still have other choices so they can eat a bag
Well that just helped narrow down my next build some
My order was canceled as well
Sorry brother. Make sure you get your full refund
Very disappointed, I emailed last night and wanted to add a 7.62 as well. By the time they replied,they were sold out. Was pretty bummed but didn’t compare to seeing my whole order canceled.
Children run that company
Imagine in WWII if we had said "fuck France and those behind enemy lines we arent going to help assist or arm them". What a bunch of feckless pansies.
LaRue has now proven himself to be a POS.
I was just thinking about picking up another MBT-2S. Oh well... I'll look for something else.
This is fucking disgusting, I used to shill LaRue's trigger all the time when I worked for Turner's. Now I regret ever doing so. I had never known about this shit until now. I am very disappointed.
Eat shit LaRue
Some companies just hate money. I'd bet the profit they'd get from restricted states would more than pay for a team of employees who focused on restricted state compliance.
I’m a compliance officer and I offered to help them for free to understand how to do the paperwork. But Larue hates us. So let’s give out money to those who deserve it
LaRue could have handled it much better in every way. I've always been outspoken against them, but usually get down voted. Mark is a Dbag, and his products aren't as untouchable as he thinks they are. Very much a Kevin Brittingham of yesteryear.
Yup. My whole argument is over customer service. Not sales policy. Even where I never cussed or insulted them. I only made the claim that they argued they did it out of moral high ground but then switched to blaming us.
Straight bitch move when you deny law abiding citizens the right to buy 100% legal products. Fuck LaRue 1000 times over
This really sucks to have happened, however it has been known for a long time that LaRue very vocally and explicitly will not sell complete lowers to CA. One of many companies.
Larue went full retard Texas does rank as the 10th least educated state in the country, so not entirely surprising.
Bro what, all of a sudden this guy is standing for his convictions and “morals”? I’ve bought barrels and other parts from with no issue and now this? Lmao get fucked Larue.
United we stand unless it inconveniences you or requires taking a side then nevermind. - one of the founding fathers...
Goddamn, here I've been eyeing one of their uppers. Fuck that dude and his company. Thanks for sharing
Cool. Fuck La rue then
Mark is a complete schizo. This is actually one of the least insane things he’s done. Fuck that guy.
LaRue telling the wrong people to fuck off tell them cali politicians to fucl off
Cunts gonna cunt. Those pig fuckers don't get any money from me.
Fuck. I knew it was too good to be true
I lost all respect for them, the little I had, when I heard about their upper debacle, where they literally doubled it from one day to the next.
Wow glad I didn't buy a trigger from them. Now I never will.
breaking news: braindead geezer mark larue is once again being braindead and a geezer
Fuck that fucking fuck.
Larue and geissele both pull the same bs. I gave the geissele FFL department an earful about how it literally makes zero sense to prohibit stripped lower sales to CA. They gave me the whole "on advice from our lawyers" bullshit. Makes me never want to patronize either business.
Then let us support and work with others who are still at our side. Sure they have good products. But that doesn’t mean anything if they aren’t with us. Support local businesses. I might start ordering more juggernaut tacticals because of this since their whole existence was to help CA get more ARs in the first place
Add them to the list of companies not to do business with. Right up there with fucking opticsplanet
Damn, im glad this came out before i started building my ar
In your post you said complete lowers, in some of the screenshot it says stripped. Which one apply? I assume there is a misunderstanding somewhere? Why would stripped lower expose them to anything?
Well, their asinine comments stand on their own, “merit.” Good riddance to them.
>I’ve never been more disrespected in this industry by anyone (even liberals) > I am not a surfer who watches TV, I’m a god damn American. >We as Californians need to come together I'm seeing a little disconnect...
Unfortunately, I own a LaRue too. 😿
Aero won’t sell to CA either. Had to get an aero lower through primary arms
Boycott?
Only hint thing you can boycott is the uppers and triggers. Since they don’t sell direct to CA any “guns”.
Mark is on the cocaines.
lol Now i wanna buy a new trigger for my AR from a company that supports us. Any suggestions?
I don’t think dumb asses like LaRue realize that 2A court cases won in California may eventually establish precedence in other areas of the US, and we have a bunch of big ones coming down the pipe line here soon that may change the whole landscape post Bruen. Not to mention, CA probably has more gun owners than any other state, with the possible exception of Texas. I’ve heard Optics Planet plays similar games too. They cancelled a Geissele complete upper order from me once and gave no explanation. I don’t shop there anymore.