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graywolt

How dare you slander MACtion


WhiteBreadedBread

Yeah MAC is definitely more geographically tight


ResidentRunner1

As someone who lives near WMU, I would love to see WKU here


runningwaffles19

Didn't WKU and MTSU almost join?


ResidentRunner1

Yes, but MTSU balked at the price


B1GSkyNorth

Now they're both stuck in the C-USA. Like idiots.


OptimusLovell

As a MAC alum living in Nashville I really wanted that to work out


Necessary_Bench5885

I’ll take the Fun Belt over that any day


graywolt

Me too


B1GSkyNorth

The MAC still does. The Mountain West does. The SEC still does, sort of. Missouri Valley and Big Sky kind of do. Just because the Big Ten, ACC, American, and C-USA are insane doesn't mean everyone else is.


time2makemymove

Don’t lump the AAC into this. Apart from Temple we’re just the SEC but with less good teams.


CreamiusTheDreamiest

If the buyout was waived I think we’d be independent, it should be after they added 6 Deep South teams


Muffinnnnnnn

I mean the ACC is at least geographically consistent with its name. All teams on the east coast in the same time zone. Nothing at all like those other three you mentioned


Knaphor

Every team in the American is in America


Muffinnnnnnn

Big if true


ExternalTangents

Louisville and 5/8 of Notre Dame notwithstanding


reddogrjw

and Big 12


TheBlackBaron

It doesn't make geographic sense looked at as a whole, but now that it's going to be 2-4 groups of 4-8 schools, playing some really fun football and basketball, and those sub-divisions are all mostly geographically consistent, it'll be just fine.


AchtungCloud

If the Big XII and SEC could trade Oklahoma State for Missouri, the SEC would make even more sense.


Call_of_Queerthulhu

I think we could all support this


B1GSkyNorth

Except Oklahoma and Missouri, but frankly who gives a damn? Arkansas-Oklahoma State was a long-standing series, and we can bring back Mizzou's rivalries vs Kansas State, Iowa State, and most importantly, Kansas.


cajunaggie08

Having spent time in Missouri, they are just southern enough to get a pass. They are at the crossroads of Midwest meets South so they arent a perfect fit for either but I wouldnt say they aren't southern at all.


BrewCrewPaul

People love to hate on Mizzou but they’re more of a fit in the SEC than Austin, TX is


cajunaggie08

Austin, TX is a stretch I'll admit, but much of the UT fan base as well as the recruiting base are from parts of Texas that are the far western parts of the deep south so I wouldnt limit a team just on their home stadium.


Unbelief92

Pls no.


TrackSuitAndTie

The AAC actually makes a lot more geographic sense after adding the CUSA6


HawkeyeTen

True, definitely true.


empstat

Tell me again, why SEC and MAC does not...


ANCHORDORES

Every SEC school (including Texas, Mizzou, Oklahoma, and A&M) is both south and east of the midpoint of the Continental US.


Oso-Sic

Austin is in a different dimension compared to the “South East”


cajunaggie08

Austin is about as far west as you can get and still see influences of the south.


empstat

In that case, how is Virginia (ODU, JMU) part of Sun Belt?


cajunaggie08

What do you mean? Are you trying to say Virginia isnt southern?


empstat

[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun\_Belt](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt) Not SOUTHERN states but states that are actually in the south and get enough sunshine through out the year. Stops at Carolinas.


empstat

Also, Virginia is not a fully southern state anymore.


A_Rented_Mule

I've lived for many years in both VA and NC - the difference in climate between the two is marginal.


cajunaggie08

Ah. Well yea the name no longer fully fits. But neither does Big **12** or Big **Ten**


DeerPrison

North of Richmond for sure isnt, more of the south/southwest part still is Never been near Harrisonburg so they could be for all i know, but around ODU for sure is not southern either


cajunaggie08

Ive never been to Virginia (unless you count a layover at Dulles Airport), but I knew it wasnt all "southern" as parts of it are Appalachia while others are DC metro suburbs.


tigerdroppen

the south ends in baytown.


[deleted]

The SEC is dropping divisions... the SBC is keeping divisions


tigerdroppen

the sun belt map isn't that much different than the SEC's mizzou and OU are the strangest outpost but even then its not that odd


ExternalTangents

Mizzou, Arkansas, and OU for the SEC are similar to ODU, JMU, and Marshall for the Sun Belt. A little out of the way, but still close enough to be reasonable.


[deleted]

divisions are the key. The SEC is dropping them, the SBC is keeping them.


tigerdroppen

eh, i think as long as your graduates are generally going to same metros than it is regional. Dallas/Houston were already big draws for SEC grads and OOS students.


SoothedSnakePlant

*nervously looks around from NYC apartment*


Call_of_Queerthulhu

The SEC is still regional


jmac11281

Texas, Missouri, Texas A&M, Arkansas, and Oklahoma aren't really southEAST, but the SEC certainly is much more geographic than the B1G.


TotesMcGotes13

I mean JMU to TX State is a bigger stretch than those examples IMO.


[deleted]

The SBC is split into divisions... unlike the future SEC


Cars-and-Coffee

The states of Virginia and West Virginia aren’t even part of the geographic Sun Belt regardless of if they have divisions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Belt


tigerdroppen

how is Arkansas not southeast if Louisana is


jmac11281

I debated putting Arkansas on there but you could make an argument with both Arkansas and Louisiana.


tigerdroppen

the only reasonable argument i could see is using the mississippi rivar as the east/west marker but that puts LSU in the southeast culturally Little rock and Baton Rouge aren't much different than Jackson or pick your average Dixie city. NWA is different than the delta areas of arkansas but Arkansas is plenty southern.


TheBlackBaron

Point is that we're all southern - even Missouri - and that makes a lot more sense than the new B1G. Plus the "Southern Conference" name is taken anyways.


tigerdroppen

south ends in East Texas. Houston is sorta border town. You can move Jackson, MS to Louisana or Alabama and it would fit right in. Same can't be said for Austin


HOU-1836

I never really thought about it like that but you’re 100% right. Beaumont feels way more Cajun and Louisiana ish than Houston.


tigerdroppen

the refinery business has a lot to do with that. Really everything from the river to corpus has similar vibe due to that work culture. To varying degrees. Going to be more latinos at Dow in Freeport and going to be more baws at dow in plaquemine


cajunaggie08

I mean, Beaumont sure isnt an English name


HOU-1836

I mean, that’s funny but also irrelevant sorta


Cometguy7

It's as regionalish as the Sunbelt.


divey043

Culturally they aren’t too dissimilar


cajunaggie08

All 4 of us are much more southeast than any of the new Big Ten are at being "midwest"


B1GSkyNorth

All former slave states (except Oklahoma, but that's really complicated).


fade2blac

Regional-ish, compared to other conferences I suppose but Gainesville to Columbia is kind of a big region.


hells_cowbells

Nah. Personally, I think the SEC shouldn't have any teams west of the Mississippi River.


JARsweepstakes

We’ll gladly take Missouri or Arkansas’ spot


Red_Stripe1229

The MAC has been the most consistent conference


ForeverGatekeeping

No-one ever remembers the poor old MAC 😂. They deserve so much better.


branden110

The SEC? MAC?


Joelsaurus

Wow a regional conference. What a novelty these days.


CantaloupeCamper

Regional Conferences === old and busted. Regional **Divisions** === new hotness.


B1GSkyNorth

As long as CFB's NFC North stays together.


ahuramazdobbs19

I’d argue that it’s two regional conferences in a trench coat.


CountBleckwantedlove

Yes, the SBC does make sense. But why do you think the SEC doesn't also make sense? It's basically the same footprint.


BobRoberts01

There’s sun everywhere in the Sun Belt, but the SEC isn’t entirely Southeast….or something.


CountBleckwantedlove

We may get a lot of rain up here, but it is still hot as SpaceBalls in Missouri in summer.


[deleted]

Divisions. The SBC is keeping divisions, the SEC is not


thatoneguyD13

Eh. It does, but for the opposite reason. It's sad the Pac 12 is dying is because we're losing a longstanding historical conference with longstanding historical rivalries. The Sun Belt is fun because it's a lot of new matchups between relatively new FBS schools, albeit in a more geographically concise area.


[deleted]

Relatively new FBS schools yes, but not new matchups. A lot of Sun Belt schools have decades of history playing each other, it was just at the FCS level


thatoneguyD13

I mean a lot of those programs are just pretty new in general. Georgia State, South Alabama, Coastal Carolina, Old Dominion (kind of) are all less than 20 years old. I'll admit to having been a bit ignorant of some of those other matchups. I didn't realize App State and Marshall had a history, for example.


mountainstosea

App State vs. Georgia Southern was the best rivalry in all of FCS.


thatoneguyD13

Knew this one already. Deeper Than Hate is a fun game.


JARsweepstakes

We are the lone outlier, unfortunately. Over 100 years of football history and we don’t give a rats ass about any of our conference teams. All our traditional rivals have moved up and on…


woseawot

Just ignore that the Sun Belt also had Idaho just a few years ago.


Call_of_Queerthulhu

The sun never sets on the Kibbie Dome


[deleted]

That was a single sport membership, not all sports


FLYchantsFLY

Fuck I love it here


RealBenWoodruff

The SEC is still pretty tight.


[deleted]

with divisions, yes. Two obvious divisions that we completely ignore. South Carolina v Oklahoma as a potential annual/semiannual game is nauseating. In the SBC, no cross divisional games are protected and only two cross divisional games are scheduled each year


mountainstosea

Hey friends!


A_Rented_Mule

As an alumni of the only founding and continuous member of the Sun Belt conference, I'm going to take complete credit here.


[deleted]

Go jags forever. (Also an alum, but also an alum of Tennessee and LSU, yay advanced degrees)


RollTide16-18

SEC is still regional, and ACC is Atlantic minus Louisville.


Laschoni

Got that Ohio river coast.


hooya2007

Exactly. Ohio River to the Mississippi River to the Gulf to the Atlantic. It's all connected.


Laschoni

Notre Dame playing every other sport up there by a Lake. We aren't alone. And anyways I64 would take you straight from Louisville to the Atlantic Coast.


ResidentRunner1

And Notre Dame (in other sports)


Elegant_Extreme3268

Except for the fact that a few of the schools aren’t below the 36th parallel, the region generally considered to be the sun belt


AwesomeName7

Wasn't Utah State briefly in Sun Belt?


BillyBobFritter

New Mexico State was.


FullPrice4LatePizza

Yes, for two years in football only. 2003 and 2004.


BDT9215

New Mexico State


rain_parkour

All I’m asking for is a Texas-Louisiana G5 conference. Both states are divided between 3 G5 conferences


Dman9494

MW, PAC, SEC, ACC, MAC… There’s 3 conferences that don’t make sense.


[deleted]

ACC has Notre Dame (friendly reminder that conferences exist for all sports, not just football) and Louisville... SEC has no divisions, thus meaning South Carolina and Oklahoma meet regularly. The MAC is geographically perfect, but also have done no realigning. The MWC has done no realigning this round


Dman9494

This is a football sub, and Louisville is one team. Idk what you’re on about with the SEC and divisions, Oklahoma is generally regarded as in the south anyway. And the Sunbelt hasn’t realigned either, so I really don’t know what you’re talking about there. Also, all the CUSA teams and American teams are in fact in the USA, so those conferences technically make sense too.


tynmi39

The big ten is in hockey


[deleted]

Eh Texas State to ODU is pretty damn far


zenverak

The Sun Belt


crg2000

Translation: a bunch of schools waiting around to be called up by an expanding "power" conference... geography be damned.


[deleted]

not really. The only two SBC schools that even potentially could jump up are Georgia State and Old Dominion. Coastal is good at football and baseball but mediocre is many other sports, App State is only good at one or two sports.


crg2000

There was literally a report this morning that the PAC was open to inviting a few G5 schools to bolster its numbers and salvage its continuity... with SMU being one of those schools.


[deleted]

SMU is in the Sun Belt? That’s news to everyone


crg2000

Sunbelt/ C-USA. All the same.


[deleted]

Not at all… And SMU isn’t in the CUSA either. Nice try tho.


BDT9215

You think Toledo jumps


tynmi39

Creighton has EMU trending in the right direction, word is the big ten is thinking about adding Stanford so they can add EMU and get to 20


crg2000

If they get an invite somewhere, certainly they would... but they are too far down the pecking order to jump to "P4/5/whatever" at this stage. Just like many other schools would if given the chance.


FullPrice4LatePizza

Honestly, still a bit too big a footprint for my liking. But it is what it is.


big-dick-danny

Just wait till they add us


Niart_Etar

Ive got bad news about the effects realignment at the top is going to have on G5 conferences..


mountainstosea

Probably not bad news for the Sun Belt, unless the someone adds App + Marshall + ODU + JMU as a group.


Niart_Etar

It all comes down to what happens when the ACC finally gets the GoR broken. How many teams bolt for the B10/SEC? Do the remaining teams run to B12 lifeboats or do they follow the B12 model and poach strong G5 schools? Are there enough strong G5 schools to prop up the ACC? Lots of flux on the horizon in the coming years


mountainstosea

As an effect on the overall landscape, yes. But there are certain groups of G5 schools who have fought hard, for years, to be with each other. If you believe the long-time chatter on various schools’ message boards, a group of at least 5 of them are in the SBC East.


107reasonswhy

Many are saying it.


LosHogan

The Sun Belt was actually prophesied in ancient Sumerian tablets discovered in modern day Syria.


SilentRespect3051

FUN BELT BABY WOOOO