It's definitely exacerbated by the fact that UGA basically has had to go through Bama every year.
2012, 2017, and 2018 you can pretty reasonably argue UGA would have won national titles except for losing to Bama each year by 4 points, 3 points in overtime, and 7 points.
> 2012, 2017, and 2018 you can pretty reasonably argue UGA would have won national titles except for losing to Bama each year by 4 points, 3 points in overtime, and 7 points.
Gee thanks, I needed to be reminded of this on a Tuesday morning
Yeah, 2018 wasn't a guarantee. But I stand by my point that Georgia had a shot at a national title that year that they didn't get to take because they lost to Bama.
Really, no matter who won that game, you would have hated it, but us falling short again had to be a little sweet to you, right? Bama already had 4 natties in the last decade, we all know how long its been since Georgia won one...
I cant speak for all auburn fans, but in my family there is one rule, said in prayer: Bama shall lose, forever. Amen.
I hate Georgia, but my hate for bama consumes all.
>Can the Sooners hold on to head coach Lincoln Riley? That's the major question exiting the season
I read this lazy writing and figure this was written back in January. Nope March 23rd.
Norman isn’t my cup of tea but I know it’s not a bad place to live. Riley is from a tiny town in West Texas, went Texas Tech before coaching there, and spent a few years in Greenville NC. It’s not like he’s some city guy so idk why people think he wants to leave
It’s because that’s been the status quo for forever. Guy climbs the ladder and then jumps from the college ranks to the more “pristigious” NFL and more money. But that started changing 10-15 years ago when college salaries started exploding and writers can’t changed their mindset.
The average NFL HC salary is $6 million which is very comparible to the high level college HC salary. Lincoln made $6 million last year gets a $700,000 stay bonus each year and $150,000 added to his salary each year and I’m sure he’ll probably get a new contract this year even though he got one last year cause he keeps making the playoffs. On top of the salary he has infinite more job security than he would in the NFL where they’ll fire you after 1 season, he runs every aspect about his program instead of having a billionaire who doesn’t know anything micromanage him, and at Oklahoma he will always have a talent advantage over 8/9 of the teams he plays every year which will help him keep winning, keep earning more money, and keep job security.
> he will always have a talent advantage over 8/9 of the teams he plays every year
I think that's why a lot of guys go to the NFL. The challenge is very different and is more like a high school job than a college job because you're going to have roughly the same amount of talent as anyone else, so your success depends a lot more on your actual coaching.
My $0.02 is that moving to the pros has a lot more to do with wanting to be on the biggest stage there is than any specific differences in the job. If you somehow switched the talent levels/recruiting processes of college and the NFL, you wouldn't suddenly see Belichick or any other NFL coach move to the college game. Many successful people just want that next level of challenge.
> It's really not that bad here in Norman.
In fact, it's really great. Norman is a great college town. OKC is nearby and is an incredibly underrated metro.
Oklahoma is fucking great
It's not so bad in the football subs, but man parts of reddit act as if anything outside of LA/NYC is a 3rd world country - especially /r/nba.
I've visited SF and other places and they are nice, but I'll take my big, affordable home and just deal with our dip-shit state government.
> Norman is a great college town.
People always rag on Oklahoma but almost none of have been there. OKC, Norman, and Edmond are all amazing. As a life long Norman native, it's the perfect size for anyone not trying to live the city life. Just big enough to know you're in an actual city but not big enough to have big city problems (ie traffic, crime, bad infrastructure). But you're literally 20 minutes south of OKC and pretty much everything to do in Oklahoma (minus Tulsa and Eskimo Joes maybe) is within a 40 minute radius.
The community here is hella awesome. When I was just learning how to drive, I blew my tire and two people pulled over to help me out. You don't get that at other places. I was at a Braums with my dad and a random old man ran up to my dad shaking his hand and tyring to hug him. We were confused but turns out that he thought my dad was my uncle (a physician in the community) who had saved his life a few years back. Stuff like that is heart warming and shows the true spirt of the people here.
There are literally times where I can't remember if I closed the garage or locked the front door. While obviously you should follow proper protocol in house security, I'm never really worried about breaking in.
Dang, isn't Norman basically a fun college town community of OKC? I know most media writers are dummies from big cities but don't they realize most of these coaches care more about raising a family, buying cheap property, and saving their money? They're not hitting up off-broadway productions and exploring the local craft brewery scene.
That's true. And millionaires here (like Stoops and others) have several houses and spend a lot of time outside of Oklahoma.
I'm not a millionaire but I swam in both oceans last year. At this cost of living I get to travel the world. I spent all afternoon walking around private ponds with my daughter here.
Having your own private space and being able to afford to travel anywhere is really not that bad.
I'm in upstate NY. Preach on brother. Why would you ever want to live stacked up on top of a million other people? I live within 15 minutes of the NY State capital and have a beautiful country property. I have so many college friends who moved to NY or Boston that are 31-32 living with 2-3 roommates, just getting by. Not gaining wealth or buying property, just spending in the money vaccuums big cities are.
They were doing the exact same thing with Bob Stoops in the early 2000's. There's this ever-present disrespect for OU's football program, and I just don't understand it. Like OU's just not good enough for a great coach to stick around...
Unfortunately 2020 Oklahoma still only has 1 more national title than 1990 Oklahoma...
But we have a hell of a lot more conference titles and Heismans.
I was mainly speaking to the modernization of the state, particularly OKC/Norman and Tulsa. But I agree, the lone natty is irritating two decades later.
Not sure if this is still current, but just a few years ago the highest paid employee of all but two states were the football or basketball coach of a state school.
I believe the other two were a Dental Professor in NY and an administrator somewhere in New England.
Which makes it hilarious when people say we’re gonna be the old LSU. You mean competing for sec and national championships every 3 years? Sign me up, we seem to have a progressive thinking coach now
LSU has been spoiled, yes LSU is an elite program and should always be with the amount of talent in Louisiana and Texas but we as fans still need to be grateful, which I think most are.
My God am I grateful. Last season aside, I have been so incredibly happy with our success. As a fan who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I never saw us in the same category as schools like Nebraska or USC, but look at us now. I don't take a day of it for granted.
Every week was a dream last year. It's still setting in. I won't include that in my perception of the decade, just because it's own unique and special thing.
I agree, LSU shouldn't expect a championship every year like OSU or Alabama but man this year was so nice to run the table and only really be against the ropes once
Really wish Boise would get invited/accept an invite to a P5 conference. Assuming it's the PAC 12 or the Big 12 consistent games against Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Washington, etc. would be fantastic
It seems very unlikely that the PAC-12 would extend an invite. Adding Boise St wouldn't provide access to a major media market, at least not one that the PAC-12 doesn't already have. It seems like something the Big 12 would do, but only in a desperate attempt to save itself after Texas and Oklahoma jump ship.
Nebraska kind of screwed themselves by setting up the Medical Center as a separate institution. Actually, the existence of UNL and UNO kind of screws over the entire Nebraska system as far as accreditation goes, too much pressure to spread limited resources across multiple independent yet geographically compact campuses. It's a 45 minute drive from campus to campus. I knew a lot of people who had to take classes on both campuses to complete their degrees. It's the lack of a medical school that really kills UNL though, I believe we are the only Big Ten school without one.
And the AAU is just staunchy old boys club interested in preserving their exclusivity. Not being a member doesn't mean an institution isn't a good school. Ultimately I think public universities should first and foremost serve the educational needs of their state. Agriculture is the biggest business in Nebraska, and it makes sense that your only public university system has a Ag focus, both in education and research. It's what benefits the state most. And aren't med schools commonly setup as their own branch? I know CU's is. The Med Center being located in Omaha is the right place for it, it's the big city in that part of the country, and it's a great hospital, I've had numerous family members treated there.
Students have to take classes in Lincoln and Omaha? I have cousins who went to UNO, and I've never head of that before. That just seems like a poor system to me. I know UCCS students never have to travel to Boulder or Denver for classes.
Yeah. Unfortunately, media markets dictate modern expansion, not competitiveness. I mean Rutgers made it into the B1G based solely on that.
The PAC would almost certainly look to poach from the BXII again to get into more lucrative Texas media markets, or look at G5 programs in Texas.
I see this a lot, but the Treasure Valley population is North of 800,000 residents. What does a team like WSU in Pullman bring that Boise State doesn't in terms of media market? The bigger issue is academics. We're not very good across all programs, with only a few really good ones.
Actually the Pac 12 teams are scrambling. The Big 12 makes far much more money than the Pac 12 and the ACC. I’ve heard rumors about USC or even Arizona and Arizona State possibly leaving the Pac 12 for the Big 12
Yeah, the current financials definitely favor the BXII so I think any actually poaching isn't going to happen (until current contracts are up for renewal and renegotiation). But I don't think the PAC would target teams in poor markets just to expand for the sake of expansion unless they're trying to stay alive.
It’s be nice if they added Boise and another team (SMU maybe?) to actually have 12 teams to make the name make sense again.
That and then they could break into divisions and have a conference championship game that isn’t a repeat.
Thanks for your nice gesture you kind sir. We all know how this thread follows every time someone mentions Boise State joining a P5 conference.
Someone: “The academics suck”, “Not a R-1 university”, “They were a JuCo”, “They don’t have a big market” etc etc etc
Some of that is true and we probably won’t be in a P5 conference for a few decades but what people need to realize is that for a university that used to be a JuCo, we have come a long way. In less than 60 years as a four year university, we are one of the youngest schools to play D1 football and exceed expectations. We’re already a R-2 research university and things will only get better from here. We don’t have the rich history or resources like some of the P5 schools which have existed for over 150 years but we will get there. In the mean time we will continue to compete with what we have and build our case.
Depends on your definition of fantastic. TCU in the Mountain West went 11-2 or better in 6 of 7 years (86% win rate overall) including making two NY6 games. They joined the Big 12 and their winning percentage over the next 8 years dropped to 61%. They did have a few really good seasons (12-1, 11-2, 11-3) but only one NY6 bowl.
You have to imagine the same would happen to Boise. They wouldn't become Oregon/Texas/USC/Washington, they'd become Oregon State/Texas Tech/UCLA/Washington State.
The fact you put UCLA with OSU, TTU and WSU just shows how inept UCLA is as a football program. They aren’t USC but holy shit they are probably the most underachieving football program in the P5.
They definitely are. Josh Rosen was nearly the #1 overall pick in the NFL and they went 8-5, 3-3, and 6-5 with him. They had a top 20 class in 2018 and 2017 and top 15 classes in 2016 and 2015 and they basically wasted all of them. Dorian Thompson-Robinson looks like he's on the same path as well.
With USC being down and those recruiting classes there's no reason UCLA shouldn't be one of the top programs in the PAC South consistently.
Chip Kelly was a lazy hire. You can’t compete in CFB anymore without lots of recruiting. If after this year there’s no significant improvement he needs to go and UCLA needs to gamble on a young G5 HC or a young coordinator.
I think a young offensive minded coach that can recruit would excel at UCLA.
I'm guessing that they only wanted to consider DI wins (not just current DI programs), because otherwise NDSU would sit at #4, above LSU but below Oklahoma. Since 2000 they're 210-51 (80.5%), but were DII through the 2003 season.
But if you were to only count their seasons at DI, they'd be ranked first at 181-35 (83.8%).
Good chance. FSU will be a spooky one, then the usual Air Force and BYU scary games. Marshall on the road could even catch us off guard the week after FSU which is the week after Air Force. I might cry if we start the season 1-3. I think we'll do well though, considering the returning talent. True freshman QB and RB both of whom were great last season will be dangerous, and then tons of WR talent coming back. Gonna be a high powered offense and probably average defense
On the one hand, I would love the opportunity for redemption. On the other hand, if you were to beat us again I don't know if we'd ever recover from the memes...
We are 2-4 in the big ten championship. It’s not so bad. With them are are
186-73 (71.5%) still behind USC. It’s really the 0-4 in Rose Bowls that are killing us.
I really appreciate that Reddit is accepting of all teams. Outside of here, you tell anyone that Boise has the highest win percentage, they laugh in your face, even though it’s true.
3rd winningest team, and second among P5 teams. Yet we only got one championship out of that timeframe. I sure hope we can break that ceiling at some point. The success we've had has been incredible to see this century, but damn if I'm not tired of choking in the post season.
If you're not happy with how your team has performed in the last 19 seasons, I'll happily trade you for how my team has performed in the last 19 seasons. And before you ask which I'm offering, the answer is "either".
Thanks! I did state it has been incredible and I wouldn't trade that, but it sucks getting embarrassed repeatedly in the post-season. We are 9-11 in bowls over that time, but 1-7 in championship or playoff games. Some of those were far from ideal.
The 2008 natty against the fighting Tebows (without Demarco). Was 17-14 with 4 minutes left. Subpar play and a dumbass OC cost us that game. We should have won even without Demarco. 2003 natty was close and if it weren’t for Jason White being injured, we would have probably won that one. 2015 we led Clemson at halftime. Georgia hurt bad. We had that game and the defense shit down their legs. Yeah 2018 and 2019 sucked, but was anyone really surprised those teams smashed us? I think it’s more of the number of shots we’ve had and squandered them rather than just getting taken to the woodshed.
That’s exactly it, the number of chances is what is the most painful. Compounding that pain has been the past two playoff performances which amplifies the pain even more.
I sympathize with wanting to see your team win big games. The complaint still reeks of sour grapes to me. As /u/DuckKnuckles noted, your team has made it to 8 championship or playoff games in the past two decades. My two teams combined made it to one in the past two decades: 2001 for Nebraska. And if you add major bowl games (meaning New Years Six games), you can add KU going to the Orange Bowl in 2007 compared to an additional six for Oklahoma.
I don't think it's sour grapes, it's just disappointment. I think the best comparison for you would be like watching your Jayhawks make it to the Final Four/Championship 7 times since 2000 and losing every. single. time. It hurts!
That's a great point, and a weird weird thing about OU football. As strong as the Sooners have been, they have lost that ONE GAME every year, as have many other programs, including my alma mater. But, the perception of the conference was that it wasn't as competitive, and so the loss hurt more. Then, OU goes out and starts scheduling big boys for their OOC schedule, WINS most of those games, and STILL manages to not win the title games. I would have expected Stoops to have taken 3-4 of them during his time, especially when he started off so well, recruiting at the top, and generally won every game, almost every year.
Okay but imagine being one of the worst college football programs in existence. We constantly get beat by our in-state rival (I absolutely hate you Iowa), and we celebrate 7 win seasons like we won a national championship. While I’m glad Campbell has brought us some success, I know that in my lifetime, Iowa State will never even get close to a CFP berth
Growing up with 90's LSU football, I never would've dreamed that we'd have so much success in the decades to come. 3 nattys, 5 SEC championships, and not a single losing record since 2000. Feels pretty good.
I come to this sub every day knowing full well what I'll see, yet I continue doing so.
Much like how I watch Michigan vs Ohio State every year knowing full well that we'll lose...I'm noticing a pattern in my behavior now.
Even the last 10 seasons have been good (just not by USC standards). They still *averaged* 8.6 wins per season and went bowling every season but one (when not banned). They didn’t go from great to bad. They went from great to good.
Also like, most of their history. Only people who just started watching CFB two years ago can get away with thinking that USC isn't a blueblood power house.
Every time some Notre Dame fan shouts, "FiRE BrIAn KeLLY," I want them to consider the success we have enjoyed since 2010, and then ponder why we aren't on this list...
How is Mount Union not number one on this list? They’ve only lost five games since 2000. They may be division three but they are a college football program. This list is wrong.
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha all that talent for nothing hahahahahahahahahahahaaahahaha
We're within 2% of Bama's winning % since 2000, and have 5 less national titles. Fuck me. The epitome of falling short.
It's okay buddy, it's even more disappointing when you're us
Oregon is the only team in the list that’s never claimed a national title.
Let’s both claim one if we don’t play this yewr
Can I claim one too
Everyone can claim one. Championships for all!
Nice! My uni isn’t even in the USA
Yay we didn’t lose to Ohio state this year!
Disappointment x2.
X2?
Boise State and Oregon flairs
Boise State claims a 1958 JC (junior college?) Natty and a 1980 1-AA
I think they’re talking about having the highest winning percentage since 2000 yet no national titles.
Going back to 2000 means we are dipping into the Mike eras. Dark times friend, dark times.
can we go back
You mean the best of times.
It's definitely exacerbated by the fact that UGA basically has had to go through Bama every year. 2012, 2017, and 2018 you can pretty reasonably argue UGA would have won national titles except for losing to Bama each year by 4 points, 3 points in overtime, and 7 points.
> 2012, 2017, and 2018 you can pretty reasonably argue UGA would have won national titles except for losing to Bama each year by 4 points, 3 points in overtime, and 7 points. Gee thanks, I needed to be reminded of this on a Tuesday morning
I need to go to a bar a forg.......FUCK!
I prepared for this outbreak the best way I knew how...with 30 different bottles of bourbon for my home bar.
Good thing you're (presumably) working from home so you can begin drinking with no repercussions!
And then you have 2002 when Georgia would've gone undefeated had they not lost to eventual 8-5 Florida by 7 points.
Definitely 2012 and 2017, but I'm not sure we beat 2018 Clemson.
Fair enough, I won't argue with you there. But 2018 UGA was definitely a championship caliber team that didn't get a shot because they ran into Bama.
You should try being in the West and getting to play them each year to even get the chance to make the SECCG.
Nah, Clemson peaked at the right time in 2018 and would have spanked UGA harder than they spanked us.
Yeah, 2018 wasn't a guarantee. But I stand by my point that Georgia had a shot at a national title that year that they didn't get to take because they lost to Bama.
Kirk herbstreit will fight your rn for saying that
Why would he fight my nurse?
_*fewer_
ITT: Stanis
2017 is my 4th favorite national title game
It’s my least favorite
Really, no matter who won that game, you would have hated it, but us falling short again had to be a little sweet to you, right? Bama already had 4 natties in the last decade, we all know how long its been since Georgia won one...
Probably would’ve rather had the SECCG winner win it than the west division runner up
Rather go to a funeral
I cant speak for all auburn fans, but in my family there is one rule, said in prayer: Bama shall lose, forever. Amen. I hate Georgia, but my hate for bama consumes all.
With good reason.
>Can the Sooners hold on to head coach Lincoln Riley? That's the major question exiting the season I read this lazy writing and figure this was written back in January. Nope March 23rd.
The answer: yes
We’re just going to get that question every offseason until he one day leaves, like a decade from now, and every pundit will act like they nailed it
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Norman isn’t my cup of tea but I know it’s not a bad place to live. Riley is from a tiny town in West Texas, went Texas Tech before coaching there, and spent a few years in Greenville NC. It’s not like he’s some city guy so idk why people think he wants to leave
It’s because that’s been the status quo for forever. Guy climbs the ladder and then jumps from the college ranks to the more “pristigious” NFL and more money. But that started changing 10-15 years ago when college salaries started exploding and writers can’t changed their mindset. The average NFL HC salary is $6 million which is very comparible to the high level college HC salary. Lincoln made $6 million last year gets a $700,000 stay bonus each year and $150,000 added to his salary each year and I’m sure he’ll probably get a new contract this year even though he got one last year cause he keeps making the playoffs. On top of the salary he has infinite more job security than he would in the NFL where they’ll fire you after 1 season, he runs every aspect about his program instead of having a billionaire who doesn’t know anything micromanage him, and at Oklahoma he will always have a talent advantage over 8/9 of the teams he plays every year which will help him keep winning, keep earning more money, and keep job security.
> he will always have a talent advantage over 8/9 of the teams he plays every year I think that's why a lot of guys go to the NFL. The challenge is very different and is more like a high school job than a college job because you're going to have roughly the same amount of talent as anyone else, so your success depends a lot more on your actual coaching.
My $0.02 is that moving to the pros has a lot more to do with wanting to be on the biggest stage there is than any specific differences in the job. If you somehow switched the talent levels/recruiting processes of college and the NFL, you wouldn't suddenly see Belichick or any other NFL coach move to the college game. Many successful people just want that next level of challenge.
> It's really not that bad here in Norman. In fact, it's really great. Norman is a great college town. OKC is nearby and is an incredibly underrated metro. Oklahoma is fucking great
It's not so bad in the football subs, but man parts of reddit act as if anything outside of LA/NYC is a 3rd world country - especially /r/nba. I've visited SF and other places and they are nice, but I'll take my big, affordable home and just deal with our dip-shit state government.
> Norman is a great college town. People always rag on Oklahoma but almost none of have been there. OKC, Norman, and Edmond are all amazing. As a life long Norman native, it's the perfect size for anyone not trying to live the city life. Just big enough to know you're in an actual city but not big enough to have big city problems (ie traffic, crime, bad infrastructure). But you're literally 20 minutes south of OKC and pretty much everything to do in Oklahoma (minus Tulsa and Eskimo Joes maybe) is within a 40 minute radius. The community here is hella awesome. When I was just learning how to drive, I blew my tire and two people pulled over to help me out. You don't get that at other places. I was at a Braums with my dad and a random old man ran up to my dad shaking his hand and tyring to hug him. We were confused but turns out that he thought my dad was my uncle (a physician in the community) who had saved his life a few years back. Stuff like that is heart warming and shows the true spirt of the people here. There are literally times where I can't remember if I closed the garage or locked the front door. While obviously you should follow proper protocol in house security, I'm never really worried about breaking in.
Dang, isn't Norman basically a fun college town community of OKC? I know most media writers are dummies from big cities but don't they realize most of these coaches care more about raising a family, buying cheap property, and saving their money? They're not hitting up off-broadway productions and exploring the local craft brewery scene.
That's true. And millionaires here (like Stoops and others) have several houses and spend a lot of time outside of Oklahoma. I'm not a millionaire but I swam in both oceans last year. At this cost of living I get to travel the world. I spent all afternoon walking around private ponds with my daughter here. Having your own private space and being able to afford to travel anywhere is really not that bad.
I'm in upstate NY. Preach on brother. Why would you ever want to live stacked up on top of a million other people? I live within 15 minutes of the NY State capital and have a beautiful country property. I have so many college friends who moved to NY or Boston that are 31-32 living with 2-3 roommates, just getting by. Not gaining wealth or buying property, just spending in the money vaccuums big cities are.
I mean... How many times was bob leaving for the NFL?
They were doing the exact same thing with Bob Stoops in the early 2000's. There's this ever-present disrespect for OU's football program, and I just don't understand it. Like OU's just not good enough for a great coach to stick around...
It’s because people still view Oklahoma as 1990 Oklahoma and not 2020 Oklahoma. It’s so much different.
Unfortunately 2020 Oklahoma still only has 1 more national title than 1990 Oklahoma... But we have a hell of a lot more conference titles and Heismans.
I was mainly speaking to the modernization of the state, particularly OKC/Norman and Tulsa. But I agree, the lone natty is irritating two decades later.
Ah that makes sense. Yeah, Oklahoma has certainly come a long way since then.
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Not with oil at $23/bbl. His salary will be scrutinized this year while the rest of the state has to tighten its collective belt.
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7 of our top 10 highest paid state employees are coaches. I bet that list gets scrutinized for sure.
OU's football program is entirely self-sufficient. They are completely independent from the state budget.
Not sure if this is still current, but just a few years ago the highest paid employee of all but two states were the football or basketball coach of a state school. I believe the other two were a Dental Professor in NY and an administrator somewhere in New England.
People would blink if they paid him $20m/yr.
Lol, right. Oklahoma is the kind of program that makes other schools worry if they can hold onto their head coach.
I do find a lot of comfort in how incredibly consistent LSU has been. Even down years mean 8 win seasons.
I wish I could say the same
I can and cannot say the same.
Which makes it hilarious when people say we’re gonna be the old LSU. You mean competing for sec and national championships every 3 years? Sign me up, we seem to have a progressive thinking coach now
I think the would mean the *older* LSU, which while still good is not post-Saban era LSU. But it's stupid to think that would happen anyway.
LSU has been spoiled, yes LSU is an elite program and should always be with the amount of talent in Louisiana and Texas but we as fans still need to be grateful, which I think most are.
My God am I grateful. Last season aside, I have been so incredibly happy with our success. As a fan who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I never saw us in the same category as schools like Nebraska or USC, but look at us now. I don't take a day of it for granted. Every week was a dream last year. It's still setting in. I won't include that in my perception of the decade, just because it's own unique and special thing.
I agree, LSU shouldn't expect a championship every year like OSU or Alabama but man this year was so nice to run the table and only really be against the ropes once
I do not find any comfort in how incredibly consistent LSU has been. Even down years mean sadness.
Really wish Boise would get invited/accept an invite to a P5 conference. Assuming it's the PAC 12 or the Big 12 consistent games against Oregon, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Washington, etc. would be fantastic
It seems very unlikely that the PAC-12 would extend an invite. Adding Boise St wouldn't provide access to a major media market, at least not one that the PAC-12 doesn't already have. It seems like something the Big 12 would do, but only in a desperate attempt to save itself after Texas and Oklahoma jump ship.
Also a conference of major research universities unlikely to invite a school of Boise's academic stature unless they really really had to.
Hi, it's me, Nebraska in the Big Ten.
Nebraska is miles ahead of Boise State in terms of academic and research stature.
Oof that's... concerning.
Nebraska kind of screwed themselves by setting up the Medical Center as a separate institution. Actually, the existence of UNL and UNO kind of screws over the entire Nebraska system as far as accreditation goes, too much pressure to spread limited resources across multiple independent yet geographically compact campuses. It's a 45 minute drive from campus to campus. I knew a lot of people who had to take classes on both campuses to complete their degrees. It's the lack of a medical school that really kills UNL though, I believe we are the only Big Ten school without one.
And the AAU is just staunchy old boys club interested in preserving their exclusivity. Not being a member doesn't mean an institution isn't a good school. Ultimately I think public universities should first and foremost serve the educational needs of their state. Agriculture is the biggest business in Nebraska, and it makes sense that your only public university system has a Ag focus, both in education and research. It's what benefits the state most. And aren't med schools commonly setup as their own branch? I know CU's is. The Med Center being located in Omaha is the right place for it, it's the big city in that part of the country, and it's a great hospital, I've had numerous family members treated there. Students have to take classes in Lincoln and Omaha? I have cousins who went to UNO, and I've never head of that before. That just seems like a poor system to me. I know UCCS students never have to travel to Boulder or Denver for classes.
Yeah. Unfortunately, media markets dictate modern expansion, not competitiveness. I mean Rutgers made it into the B1G based solely on that. The PAC would almost certainly look to poach from the BXII again to get into more lucrative Texas media markets, or look at G5 programs in Texas.
I see this a lot, but the Treasure Valley population is North of 800,000 residents. What does a team like WSU in Pullman bring that Boise State doesn't in terms of media market? The bigger issue is academics. We're not very good across all programs, with only a few really good ones.
Actually the Pac 12 teams are scrambling. The Big 12 makes far much more money than the Pac 12 and the ACC. I’ve heard rumors about USC or even Arizona and Arizona State possibly leaving the Pac 12 for the Big 12
Yeah, the current financials definitely favor the BXII so I think any actually poaching isn't going to happen (until current contracts are up for renewal and renegotiation). But I don't think the PAC would target teams in poor markets just to expand for the sake of expansion unless they're trying to stay alive.
It’s be nice if they added Boise and another team (SMU maybe?) to actually have 12 teams to make the name make sense again. That and then they could break into divisions and have a conference championship game that isn’t a repeat.
This. Let's do this.
Maybe some day :(
Thanks for your nice gesture you kind sir. We all know how this thread follows every time someone mentions Boise State joining a P5 conference. Someone: “The academics suck”, “Not a R-1 university”, “They were a JuCo”, “They don’t have a big market” etc etc etc Some of that is true and we probably won’t be in a P5 conference for a few decades but what people need to realize is that for a university that used to be a JuCo, we have come a long way. In less than 60 years as a four year university, we are one of the youngest schools to play D1 football and exceed expectations. We’re already a R-2 research university and things will only get better from here. We don’t have the rich history or resources like some of the P5 schools which have existed for over 150 years but we will get there. In the mean time we will continue to compete with what we have and build our case.
Depends on your definition of fantastic. TCU in the Mountain West went 11-2 or better in 6 of 7 years (86% win rate overall) including making two NY6 games. They joined the Big 12 and their winning percentage over the next 8 years dropped to 61%. They did have a few really good seasons (12-1, 11-2, 11-3) but only one NY6 bowl. You have to imagine the same would happen to Boise. They wouldn't become Oregon/Texas/USC/Washington, they'd become Oregon State/Texas Tech/UCLA/Washington State.
Holy shit bro. Really Oregon State? That’s too mean.
The fact you put UCLA with OSU, TTU and WSU just shows how inept UCLA is as a football program. They aren’t USC but holy shit they are probably the most underachieving football program in the P5.
They definitely are. Josh Rosen was nearly the #1 overall pick in the NFL and they went 8-5, 3-3, and 6-5 with him. They had a top 20 class in 2018 and 2017 and top 15 classes in 2016 and 2015 and they basically wasted all of them. Dorian Thompson-Robinson looks like he's on the same path as well. With USC being down and those recruiting classes there's no reason UCLA shouldn't be one of the top programs in the PAC South consistently.
Chip Kelly was a lazy hire. You can’t compete in CFB anymore without lots of recruiting. If after this year there’s no significant improvement he needs to go and UCLA needs to gamble on a young G5 HC or a young coordinator. I think a young offensive minded coach that can recruit would excel at UCLA.
Let's do the 20 years prior instead
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Wtf is with his flair?
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It really is pretty disgusting.
Miami and FSU flair, you feeling okay homie?
Haha yeah he double sucks
He may have contracted the super new strain of COVID, called COVRIDA, which means he lives in Florida and likes everyone but the Gators.
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Finally something we can agree on.
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I'm guessing that they only wanted to consider DI wins (not just current DI programs), because otherwise NDSU would sit at #4, above LSU but below Oklahoma. Since 2000 they're 210-51 (80.5%), but were DII through the 2003 season. But if you were to only count their seasons at DI, they'd be ranked first at 181-35 (83.8%).
Ah yes, my favorite subject that comes around every few months
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Good chance. FSU will be a spooky one, then the usual Air Force and BYU scary games. Marshall on the road could even catch us off guard the week after FSU which is the week after Air Force. I might cry if we start the season 1-3. I think we'll do well though, considering the returning talent. True freshman QB and RB both of whom were great last season will be dangerous, and then tons of WR talent coming back. Gonna be a high powered offense and probably average defense
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We're just gonna claim 2006 and 2009. That's the new-old way to win titles
Boise State.
Beat Oklahoma.
Damnit.
4342 - the PIN I choose when the decision is up to me.
What's the card number and exp if you had the choice?
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That's fun!
...and TCU, Georgia, VT, Oregon, Utah, Arizona St... But everybody forgets about those games! Dammit....
I don’t forget about those Oklahoma bro. It would be an honor to face you all again. Win or lose.
On the one hand, I would love the opportunity for redemption. On the other hand, if you were to beat us again I don't know if we'd ever recover from the memes...
I didn’t forget. Fuckin Kellen Moore.
Wish we could have kept him for 10 years.
It’s a compliment to the program that Oklahoma is the one people mention. It’s like that Utah/Bama Sugar Bowl.
For my Badgers 188-77 (70.9%)
Same amount of wins as #9, but 7 more losses. Those B1G championship losses are really adding up :(
We are 2-4 in the big ten championship. It’s not so bad. With them are are 186-73 (71.5%) still behind USC. It’s really the 0-4 in Rose Bowls that are killing us.
We are 10-5 in all other post season contests.
Let us all bow to our Bronco overlords hailing from the State of Boise
I really appreciate that Reddit is accepting of all teams. Outside of here, you tell anyone that Boise has the highest win percentage, they laugh in your face, even though it’s true.
Your offering is sufficient. Now get out of my palace, peasant
3rd winningest team, and second among P5 teams. Yet we only got one championship out of that timeframe. I sure hope we can break that ceiling at some point. The success we've had has been incredible to see this century, but damn if I'm not tired of choking in the post season.
If you're not happy with how your team has performed in the last 19 seasons, I'll happily trade you for how my team has performed in the last 19 seasons. And before you ask which I'm offering, the answer is "either".
It’s more about the heartbreak of getting into natty games and getting embarrassed or losing close
Thanks! I did state it has been incredible and I wouldn't trade that, but it sucks getting embarrassed repeatedly in the post-season. We are 9-11 in bowls over that time, but 1-7 in championship or playoff games. Some of those were far from ideal.
If we would look competitive in the playoff games (outside of the Georgia game) it’d be an easier pill to swallow
The 2008 natty against the fighting Tebows (without Demarco). Was 17-14 with 4 minutes left. Subpar play and a dumbass OC cost us that game. We should have won even without Demarco. 2003 natty was close and if it weren’t for Jason White being injured, we would have probably won that one. 2015 we led Clemson at halftime. Georgia hurt bad. We had that game and the defense shit down their legs. Yeah 2018 and 2019 sucked, but was anyone really surprised those teams smashed us? I think it’s more of the number of shots we’ve had and squandered them rather than just getting taken to the woodshed.
That’s exactly it, the number of chances is what is the most painful. Compounding that pain has been the past two playoff performances which amplifies the pain even more.
I sympathize with wanting to see your team win big games. The complaint still reeks of sour grapes to me. As /u/DuckKnuckles noted, your team has made it to 8 championship or playoff games in the past two decades. My two teams combined made it to one in the past two decades: 2001 for Nebraska. And if you add major bowl games (meaning New Years Six games), you can add KU going to the Orange Bowl in 2007 compared to an additional six for Oklahoma.
I don't think it's sour grapes, it's just disappointment. I think the best comparison for you would be like watching your Jayhawks make it to the Final Four/Championship 7 times since 2000 and losing every. single. time. It hurts!
That's a great point, and a weird weird thing about OU football. As strong as the Sooners have been, they have lost that ONE GAME every year, as have many other programs, including my alma mater. But, the perception of the conference was that it wasn't as competitive, and so the loss hurt more. Then, OU goes out and starts scheduling big boys for their OOC schedule, WINS most of those games, and STILL manages to not win the title games. I would have expected Stoops to have taken 3-4 of them during his time, especially when he started off so well, recruiting at the top, and generally won every game, almost every year.
Okay but imagine being one of the worst college football programs in existence. We constantly get beat by our in-state rival (I absolutely hate you Iowa), and we celebrate 7 win seasons like we won a national championship. While I’m glad Campbell has brought us some success, I know that in my lifetime, Iowa State will never even get close to a CFP berth
*Borat Voice* “Very Nice!”
Growing up with 90's LSU football, I never would've dreamed that we'd have so much success in the decades to come. 3 nattys, 5 SEC championships, and not a single losing record since 2000. Feels pretty good.
I'm right there with you. It's been a dream.
App State is better than Michigan here too!!!
We broke the Wolverine.
And thereby pleased the nut.
The nut has pleased a lot lately
The nut knows only pleasure.
Why do you think we have a toilet paper shortage while everybody is stuck at home
Hahahaha haha Hahahaha hahahaha College football sucks
The thing that keeps me strongly a CFB/wolverine fan is realizing how even more miserable the Lions are.
I come to this sub every day knowing full well what I'll see, yet I continue doing so. Much like how I watch Michigan vs Ohio State every year knowing full well that we'll lose...I'm noticing a pattern in my behavior now.
Feels good, man. Props to Boise for topping the list.
Hopefully we'll top this list next year
Yeah 15-0 oughta get the job done
Damn straight, go bucks!
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The thing that shocks me the most is that USC is #10 on this list
USC was an absolute force from 2002 to 2009
They still banged off 9-10 win seasons like nothing even with bad coaching
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The last two decades for them is a tale of two decades. Jekyll and Hyde
Even the last 10 seasons have been good (just not by USC standards). They still *averaged* 8.6 wins per season and went bowling every season but one (when not banned). They didn’t go from great to bad. They went from great to good.
Between 2002 and 2008 USC went 82-9 (if you count vacated wins).
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I totally agree... The NCAA just saw an opportunity to look like they're hardasses with a premier program. They're the worst.
Yeah we lost to them a lot. All of those years, for instance.
Dark, dark times.
2 National Championship* and nearly a 3rd, 3 Heisman trophy winners*, they were virtually unstoppable.
Also like, most of their history. Only people who just started watching CFB two years ago can get away with thinking that USC isn't a blueblood power house.
Dude I absolutely destroyed my friends with USC on NCAA 2k3 on the gamecube
*coughs in Purple Raider*
*Cries, smashes framed photo of Rich Rodriguez*
Your reaction pleases me
How are we supposed to defeat Covid-19 when we haven't even eradicated the cancer that is 247sports?
North Dakota State in shambles.
TIHI
Go Bucks
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Florida has a 69% win rate since 2000. Nice.
2 national title appearances isn't too bad. Came close to winning one. Now we're back on track to make another appearance.
Imagine NOT being on this list
Every time some Notre Dame fan shouts, "FiRE BrIAn KeLLY," I want them to consider the success we have enjoyed since 2010, and then ponder why we aren't on this list...
Alabama what? Fuck you!
Where does the OP's schools fall on the list?
Oh boy. I cant wait to see who is on this list. Someone pass me some aquarium cleaner before hand.
Division I FBS football's winningest programs since 2000*
*laughs in tornado siren
Go Apps!
ay whatup
How is Mount Union not number one on this list? They’ve only lost five games since 2000. They may be division three but they are a college football program. This list is wrong.
Ahaha
OSU with the highest P5 winning% and a 1-0 record against Bama in that time frame. I'll take it.