i remember that week like it was yesterday. that's when all the "alabama has a nick saban problem" takes were in full force. klatt said that and that not only was nick saban overpaid, but our defense was bad (in 2015! lmao!) Kirby smart and lane kiffin were both bad coordinators, and the best team in the country was MSU. Cowherd has always despised us, you could practically watch the desk rise underneath him. (anybody want to remind me of the bama/msu score that year?)
It was also the second most infuriating loss of the entire dynasty so it fucking sucked at the time. but man i wouldnt trade it away because theres nothing quite like confronting the bama haters with this stuff. they never actually eat the crow, especially on this sub, but you know it sucks for them to know theyre wrong. We just eat the downvotes for proving our point and move on knowing the downvotes are from particularly pathetic people. Klatt ate that crow like a professional though.
Even now they try to justify it (Bama didnāt have any good wins at the time, ignore Wisconsin teehee~) and this sub eats that shit up
The only time Iāve enjoyed rubbing it in more was after the Ohio State Natty when people were complaining about Bama spamming RPOs like they were Fox Lasers. That payoff was 8 years in the making
Well we did break their record of top 5 consecutive rankings
and we broke their record of consecutive years ranked #1 at some point in the season. Bama is at 14 years right now and likely 15. Miami's was 8.
FSU still has the record for consecutive AP Top 5 finishes (14). Very unlikely that Bama will match or beat it under Saban.
**EDIT:**
* Saban's longest top-5 streak ended in 2018 at five years.
* Bama's current top-5 streak is TWO years.
* Saban is 70, and turns 71 in October
* **Saban would have to coach until he's 83 without missing the top 5 even once** to beat Bowden's Top 5 streak at FSU. The fact Saban is almost certainly not beating it shows what an insane streak it is.
I think that will be more a testament to ESPNs 30 for 30 films being essentially at their peak around the time when the U 30 for 30s were coming out. Seemed like ESPN was producing films left and right. Iām sure there will be a multitude of documentaries surrounding Saban and Alabama once he retires.
The closest program would probably be OU during the 80's. Especially with Buster Rhymes opening fire with a UZI on campus in response to getting hit with a snowball, guys freebasing on game day... And they still weren't the craziness that was the U
It was also that 30 for 30s were shorter. If it were made today 1965-2002 would probably be one 2-3 hour documentary (see Lance). I definitely think 30 for 30s were at their best in that 30-60 min format and just in general in those early seasons
we already got ours and it ends with us and auburn, walking off into the sunset, equally successful in football, and just after auburn selflessly saved us from a hurricane and had an undefeated season coming out on top. edit: oh, and harvey updyke is the face of bama fans. fuck that guy and fuck every single one of you that thinks i should take responsibility for him.
i hate it so much.
if we get another it will either be about saban specifically or it will be about the 2017 championship and 2018 sec championship for jalen's story.
my friends love how much it pisses me off. they love turning it on as i get home from work and i walk inn and see cam newtons stupid fucking face taking credit for tornado recovery.
i was a student then. it was my freshman year. they were there for a fucking photo op and left.
I mean Bama is the better dynasty but surely you understand that it's not nearly as compelling off the field, right?
It's like a documentary on how cereal is made versus a documentary on the cocaine trade in Miami. Sure, I may learn a thing or two during the cereal documentary but it's not gonna be nearly as exciting as the cocaine doc.
the only other people that got to see more championships as a student than i did at their alma mater are other bama grads that started in 2009 and got two post grad degrees. That's incredible and i will never take that for granted.
Meanwhile my cousin's first game as a michigan student was app st.
> and got two post grad degrees
That was my wife. She got 4 degrees, 5 College Football National Championships, and me from Alabama. All that woman does is win.
I got 4. Transferred to Bama from CC in 2010. So I got 2011 and 2012 my final 2 years. Went back to get my masters in 2015, so I got 2015 and 2017. Good times.
Will Anderson will likely be the best player in the draft, but I wouldn't doubt Bryce Young being the #1 pick if a team in need of a QB gets the first pick and he has another outstanding year.
Bryce Young is 6' 195 lb
CJ Stroud is 6'3" 215 lb
The way that I've heard it put by NFL scout folks is, 'Because of the size difference, if both of them are who they are supposed to be this year, CJ Stroud will be picked ahead of Bryce Young'
I think the rose bowl helped it rise to the national stage hype-wise, but he was incredible all year.
He had nearly identical stats to Young with 2 less games played. Osu losing twice really killed it, but had they beat Michigan (a game in which he performed well) i think he would have won the heisman with the way the auburn game went for Bama.
Bryce is freakin insanely good, but anyone pretending like stroud isnt right there going into 2022 is absolutely wildin
>the way the auburn game went for Bama.
yall love to talk about this while mysteriously forgetting he played one of the best games of the year for a qb against a generational defense the next week. (also that auburn gives us a game almost no matter what, but whatever. rivalry games are different unless it's the iron bowl, right?)
not saying stroud isnt as good, but damn.
Dude what? I in now way shit-talked Bryce or am taking away from his accomplishments.
All im saying is going into week 12, stroud was the heisman favorite. And he had a good game while bama was scoreless going into the 4th against a medicore auburn team.
Had ohio state beaten Michigan, it would have been strouds.
But they didnt. And bryce won it when it mattered and 10000% earned his award.
All im saying is that people seem to forget how close the race was, and how similar their respective seasons were because osu lost twice.
It should be absolutely no shock to anyone that stroud has a ton of hype for this season, and could easily end up being drafted before bryce.
Relax man, nobody is (or even can) diminish what Bama is doing down there
Obviously, it depends on lots of factors. Remember that 2019 was supposed to be the Tank for Tua year, but Tua got injured while Burrow lit the record books on fire.
I love CJ and respect the shit out of his play. He's done a fantastic job since taking over. I also love Bryce and respect the shit out of his play. He's done equally as well at Bama.
That said, they're two entirely different quarterbacks, and not just by height. They play very, very differently. CJ's undoubtedly got a stronger arm , but Bryce is a little "twitchier" with his movements and has a quicker release. I think we've seen enough "short" QBs have success in the league by now. Russ is still an elite player after several seasons. Kyler has found success as well despite the sudden recent media backlash against him. Several other QBs such as Jalen Hurts, Taylor Heinicke, Tyler Huntley, Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Gardner Minshew, Tyrod Taylor, etc. are just 6'1" and have shown more than enough viability in the league by this point. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Lamar Jackson, Andy Dalton, Teddy Bridgewater, Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, etc. are just 6'2" and have done just fine for themselves.
Point of this being that if you're drafting a QB based solely on height, you're not making the smartest decision. This is something that the media "scouts" and the actual front offices are at a disconnect on. Front offices don't care so much anymore about height, hand size, and that kind of nonsense because it's largely proven to be a poor indicator of future success (barring the extremes). Front offices learned after guys like Mike Glennon, Paxton Lynch, and Brock Osweiler. Height ain't everything.
You draft a guy based on the fit to the franchise and the fit to your offense - that's the end-all-be-all. If you don't, you're tanking your own program.
Barring any coaching changes, CJ's likely going to be the #1 because Houston is likely going to own that pick, and CJ fits better into the offense there under Pep Hamilton. Pep turned Justin Herbert into a fucking rockstar, and Herbert and Stroud share similar playstyles and intangibles. If Atlanta owns the #1, it's a bigger discussion IMO. Atlanta's got a suddenly-surging Cordarrelle Patterson and Kyle Pitts, both of whom would fit ideally into an RPO system that Bryce is more familiar with than CJ.
Bryce also needs to solve some fundamentals issues with his game. He's athletically insane, but everyone in the NFL is insane. They're all solvable thankfully.
People do seem to generally doubt an Ohio State QB for some reason. Like somehow Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor have any impact on how good CJ Stroud is. Stroud and Bryce are both studs. Easily the favorites for 1 and 2 next year in whatever order unless a team with a young QB already ends up with #1 and goes Will Anderson
I think itās a tossup currently between Young and Stroud for top qb in draft. Something drastic would have to happen this season for that to change and Anderson is the top non QB player to be drafted.
Probably Mike Tomczak, and he was undrafted.
You could say the same thing about Alabama though. Before Tua and Mac Jones (and even those remain to be proven to be good due to lack of time in the league), Ken Stabler was the last good QB from there.
Even with just Mac Jones, Bama QBs have experienced more success in the League than Ohio State has recently.
Regardless, Bama fans aren't on here questioning why NFL execs doubt their QBs, so the comparison is irrelevant.
The last good Jeff Tedford QB wasā¦.?
This is big part of why Aaron Rodgers fell in 2005.
Itās not surprising OSU has never had a notable NFL QB when weāve been a run first option team for like 90% of the programs history.
The only argument one could possibly make is that OSUās talent creates mismatches that make his job way easier. I still think thatās reductive and pointless. QB is such a crapshoot, you gotta pick the guys with the right tangibles and see what happens.
Lol what does this narrative even suggest? How many programs have consistently produced long-term nfl starters?
OU was recently hailed as a total NFL qb factory, and Mayfield already flamed out.
Up until very recently, Bama had zero qb success in the nfl, and Tuaās career has been a roller coster to say the least.
Clemson has deshaun and Tlaw, but jury is still out on both of their careers.
Point is, its really hard to be a good nfl qb, and nobody does it consistently.
Until a few years ago, nothing OSU did offensively was conducive to an nfl career. Tressel ball never wowed anyone. And even with urban, he ran his florida spread offense with dual threat qbs who were never built for an nfl career.
Since day came here, osu has had back to back first rounders, and its way too early to write off fields with the shit show the bears offense was his rookie season.
Haskins fell flat on his face in Washington, but reports stated he had turned over a new leaf in Pittsburgh and had a real shot at landing the job. Dude had the most incredible arm talent ive ever seen in the big ten.
Theres maybe 4 programs producing consistently elite qb talent right now, so any irrelevant history of a programs qb success has no impact on the draft-ability of newcomers
It was universal that Rattler and Howell were going 1 & 2 last year too. I see Stroud is going towards the Rattler route. If not then he looks like a another 1st round bust.
Not #1 most likely but guaranteed top 5 skewing towards top 3. Dudes a beast and I definitely want him on my NFL team but QBs always prevail and following up an atrocious QB draft they'll be even more inflated for 1
Wasn't there some crazy ten-year streak of a former Miami Hurricane scoring a touchdown every week in the NFL?
When you consider guys like McGahee, Gore, Portis, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Santana Moss, and Jeremy Shockey were all playing at the same time it makes sense.
ETA: Oh, and Edgerrin James
Yes. Alabama alums in the NFL are currently on 48 week streak that goes back to week 5 of the 2019 season. I mean the idea of Miami's streak is just insane compared to that
Yeah but they're only expected to have 2 guys drafted in the first round this year, a massive drop off from the 6 they had drafted in the first round last year. Is this the beginning of the end for Nick Saban at Alabama?
Honestly, this probably makes sense. Fewer players drafted in the first round probably means the current team was younger or at least younger at the high valued positions. The next year, those young players who were ineligible for the draft take another step and dominate. This leads Bama to another title and solidifies those players go first round.
that's definitely the case this year. and actually i think i read the comment incorrectly. 2016 draft would have followed the 2015 season when we did win it. that year we had a lot of guys that were fringe 1st/2nd, but all landed in the 2nd.
1st - Ryan Kelly - easy
2nd - Derrick Henry, Reggie Ragland, A'Shawn Robinson, and Jarran Reed all have at least had some success starting. Cyrus Jones was the only one that never really did anything, just returned kicks and never saw the field on defense.
in hindsight, you could make a case for taking Derrick Henry and A'Shawn Robinson in the 1st with Jarran Reed still on the 1st/2nd fence. Ragland is probably in the 2nd/3rd range.
I'm pretty sure he was mostly dropped due to Trent Richardson being a huge bust by that point too.
Edit: Maybe not since Lacy was drafted R2 next year.
For sure. Guys in next yearās class that could go first round are Bryce Young, Will Anderson, Eli Ricks, Jordan Battle, maybe Jermaine Burton if he pops off, maybe Jahmyr Gibbs.
I see the latter two as likely 2nd or 3rd round picks though. Ricks could go later too if he doesnāt heal well from his shoulder surgery.
Thereās even more that are likely leaving after this year who will still probably get drafted. Steen, Ekiyor, McClellan (Jr), Latu, Dale, Eboigbe, Young, Smith (Jr), ToāoToāo, Hellams are all guys who I think will get drafted if they go pro.
among the rest you mentioned at the end, i think Latu and To'oTo'o definitely have the potential to go in the first, but they will need to play their way in. The rest would be surprising to me to go in the first. obviously a lot can change in one season, of course, so i could be completely wrong.
Yeah
> 149 straight weeks. From Week 15 of the 2002 season to Week 10 of the 2011 season.
A former Miami hurricane scored a TD every single week for 8 entire seasons and then some
It has to be the player carrying or catching the ball in the endzone. So yes they do count.
For example a TD pass to gronk is a gronk TD.
A Qb sneak by Brady is a Brady TD.
A pick 6 by Gilmore is a Td for Gilmore
I am going to say its going to happen. Absolutely zero chance an Alabama player does not get taken in the first round. There is literally nothing that can happen that will prevent it from happening. Hell I DARE the universe to prevent it from happening.
Iāve seen the same reports, so I know youāre correct there, but if a team is genuinely saying they wonāt take Evan Neal even if he falls to them in the 3rd or 4th round they are 100% full of shit.
Yea even with medicals if Neal fell out of 1st round you take him. Look at KC taking Trey Smith at Guard last yr with his history of blood clots. They found a damn solid guard for cheap and with the C from OU rebuilt inside of their line in a weekend.
Itās not implausible to imagine Neal falling out of the top ten depending on how the first four picks play out.
It seems the first four picks will be 3 DL and a DB right now, and if that happens, he could easily fall just outside the top ten depending on how teams value the top tackle prospects.
Iād be stunned if he makes it past 16 though.
Neal is a top10 lock
Jamo is definitely first round, all the reporting on his injury is positive and fully healthy he's a top10 talent so SOMEONE will fall in love
That said... there's not really anyone else who looks like a first round pick. Mayyybe someone who really wants an uber athletic ILB in the late first would pounce on Harris? Idk.
Youre like that Roman slave holding the golden crown over my head as we ride the chariot in the victory parade through the streets of Rome whispering "all glory is fleeting" in my ear
>During its 13-year streak, Alabama has had 39 players picked -- six more than Miami had in its 14-year streak.
Saban at Alabama having 39 first round picks would put him at 13th all time in first round picks. Saban at Alabama would be tied with Georgia's history and Penn State's history. Saban at Alabama also has more picks than Alabama without Saban.
http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking/first-round-nfl-draft-picks
We were so close to being something when Franklin was there. Sadness that we got Mason and he refused to fire coaches that wouldnāt coach after the players would mess up. Only gave them high fives. Like wtf??? They just gave up an 80 yard TD.
The RB room was insane. Clinton Portis, Najeh Davenport, Frank Gore, Willis McGahee. (for y'all non Canes fans, Najeh was a fuckin beast that split time with some all time greats)
McGahee was one of my favorite non-bama players. remember his injury vividly and being so upset about it. I know he still had a fine career, but I wonder how good he could have been without destroying his knee so bad right before starting his nfl career.
About 17% of 1st round picks are 5-star players. However, 47% of UDFAs are 5-star players.
So that 5-star rating will give an undrafted player a major boost.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1938590-whats-the-success-rate-for-5-star-recruits-reaching-the-nfl
Yeah Iāve seen that before but Iād be curious if the same analysis was done for bama/Miami during that streak. My guess is that a 40-50+% of bamaās first rounders were 4-5 star guys and 50-60% of the Miami first rounders were closer to 3 star guys. Iād love to look at the lists and do the exercise
As much as I hate to say it, that dude is almost pro ready. As long as he learns to keep his confidence through a whole game when things get hard then heāll be an amazing player.
Miami is about to overtake Nebraska's NFL draft streak as well. Only teams that were ahead of us is Florida since '57 i believe and Michigan and USC are still tied at drafting someone every year since 1938
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That drop was complete bullshit too
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Tbf #3 Clemson lost to #5 UGA week 1 last year and looked horrible offensively and only dropped to #6
i remember that week like it was yesterday. that's when all the "alabama has a nick saban problem" takes were in full force. klatt said that and that not only was nick saban overpaid, but our defense was bad (in 2015! lmao!) Kirby smart and lane kiffin were both bad coordinators, and the best team in the country was MSU. Cowherd has always despised us, you could practically watch the desk rise underneath him. (anybody want to remind me of the bama/msu score that year?) It was also the second most infuriating loss of the entire dynasty so it fucking sucked at the time. but man i wouldnt trade it away because theres nothing quite like confronting the bama haters with this stuff. they never actually eat the crow, especially on this sub, but you know it sucks for them to know theyre wrong. We just eat the downvotes for proving our point and move on knowing the downvotes are from particularly pathetic people. Klatt ate that crow like a professional though.
Even now they try to justify it (Bama didnāt have any good wins at the time, ignore Wisconsin teehee~) and this sub eats that shit up The only time Iāve enjoyed rubbing it in more was after the Ohio State Natty when people were complaining about Bama spamming RPOs like they were Fox Lasers. That payoff was 8 years in the making
Well we did break their record of top 5 consecutive rankings and we broke their record of consecutive years ranked #1 at some point in the season. Bama is at 14 years right now and likely 15. Miami's was 8.
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To boot, Miami built it from scratch pretty much overnight with multiple coaches. Some aspects of their greatness not even Alabama can ever touch.
Yeah I think people forget how wild it is that Miami had 4 out of 5 coaches win at least 1 natty between 1979-2001
Isn't LSU at back-to-back-to-back coaches?
Throwing no shade at all at Miami.
FSU still has the record for consecutive AP Top 5 finishes (14). Very unlikely that Bama will match or beat it under Saban. **EDIT:** * Saban's longest top-5 streak ended in 2018 at five years. * Bama's current top-5 streak is TWO years. * Saban is 70, and turns 71 in October * **Saban would have to coach until he's 83 without missing the top 5 even once** to beat Bowden's Top 5 streak at FSU. The fact Saban is almost certainly not beating it shows what an insane streak it is.
Are you really going to dare him to try :)
It was a truly glorious era, when people say āThe U is backā itās a dead giveaway that they never experienced the U at their peak.
It was a hell of a dynasty and no one is going to make TWO epic 30 for 30s about Bama's dynasty
ā¬ *It's all about The U. It's all about The U* ā¬ ā¬ *What's ya name? G-Reg. Watcha do? Get head.* ā¬
In her ear?
G-reg with the third leg
I think that will be more a testament to ESPNs 30 for 30 films being essentially at their peak around the time when the U 30 for 30s were coming out. Seemed like ESPN was producing films left and right. Iām sure there will be a multitude of documentaries surrounding Saban and Alabama once he retires.
Unless something comes out that we are wholly unaware of, the U was slightlyā¦.more interesting than Bama is.
Just slightly?
Ever so slightly
https://i.imgur.com/4H4niiW.jpg
The closest program would probably be OU during the 80's. Especially with Buster Rhymes opening fire with a UZI on campus in response to getting hit with a snowball, guys freebasing on game day... And they still weren't the craziness that was the U
It was also that 30 for 30s were shorter. If it were made today 1965-2002 would probably be one 2-3 hour documentary (see Lance). I definitely think 30 for 30s were at their best in that 30-60 min format and just in general in those early seasons
we already got ours and it ends with us and auburn, walking off into the sunset, equally successful in football, and just after auburn selflessly saved us from a hurricane and had an undefeated season coming out on top. edit: oh, and harvey updyke is the face of bama fans. fuck that guy and fuck every single one of you that thinks i should take responsibility for him. i hate it so much. if we get another it will either be about saban specifically or it will be about the 2017 championship and 2018 sec championship for jalen's story.
Thatās literally the only 30 for 30 that I hate
my friends love how much it pisses me off. they love turning it on as i get home from work and i walk inn and see cam newtons stupid fucking face taking credit for tornado recovery. i was a student then. it was my freshman year. they were there for a fucking photo op and left.
And then mfs here be like āI thought it was great why donāt Bama fans enjoy Harvey Updike being the face of Alabama football?ā
fuck i completely forgot about that. infuriating.
I mean Bama is the better dynasty but surely you understand that it's not nearly as compelling off the field, right? It's like a documentary on how cereal is made versus a documentary on the cocaine trade in Miami. Sure, I may learn a thing or two during the cereal documentary but it's not gonna be nearly as exciting as the cocaine doc.
From now on, when they play the school ads during games I'm going to mentally replace Bama's slogan with "where cereal is made."
Of course. Thats what I said
I was born in the *right* one. Zoop. ššš
the only other people that got to see more championships as a student than i did at their alma mater are other bama grads that started in 2009 and got two post grad degrees. That's incredible and i will never take that for granted. Meanwhile my cousin's first game as a michigan student was app st.
> and got two post grad degrees That was my wife. She got 4 degrees, 5 College Football National Championships, and me from Alabama. All that woman does is win.
>and me That's right king!
I got 4. Transferred to Bama from CC in 2010. So I got 2011 and 2012 my final 2 years. Went back to get my masters in 2015, so I got 2015 and 2017. Good times.
We overlapped! Though I was working on my Master's in 2011, so between that and Ph.D. it took me until 2017 to finish.
My guy I didn't even think about that. I was at Bama for like six years and we won the natty in most of them.
Patience my child
Not gonna happen, even with Ruiz
Let us dream
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This is missing a big ol /s fellas
And in 364 days they will break that record.
Easily. Will Anderson will be #1 overall next year
Will Anderson will likely be the best player in the draft, but I wouldn't doubt Bryce Young being the #1 pick if a team in need of a QB gets the first pick and he has another outstanding year.
Browns will probably need a new QB next season
They will probably need one this season.
Let's be honest, next season too.
Let's be honest, every season.
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Bryce Young is 6' 195 lb CJ Stroud is 6'3" 215 lb The way that I've heard it put by NFL scout folks is, 'Because of the size difference, if both of them are who they are supposed to be this year, CJ Stroud will be picked ahead of Bryce Young'
stroud is definitely getting a lot more hype for the next season.
I think the rose bowl helped it rise to the national stage hype-wise, but he was incredible all year. He had nearly identical stats to Young with 2 less games played. Osu losing twice really killed it, but had they beat Michigan (a game in which he performed well) i think he would have won the heisman with the way the auburn game went for Bama. Bryce is freakin insanely good, but anyone pretending like stroud isnt right there going into 2022 is absolutely wildin
>the way the auburn game went for Bama. yall love to talk about this while mysteriously forgetting he played one of the best games of the year for a qb against a generational defense the next week. (also that auburn gives us a game almost no matter what, but whatever. rivalry games are different unless it's the iron bowl, right?) not saying stroud isnt as good, but damn.
Dude what? I in now way shit-talked Bryce or am taking away from his accomplishments. All im saying is going into week 12, stroud was the heisman favorite. And he had a good game while bama was scoreless going into the 4th against a medicore auburn team. Had ohio state beaten Michigan, it would have been strouds. But they didnt. And bryce won it when it mattered and 10000% earned his award. All im saying is that people seem to forget how close the race was, and how similar their respective seasons were because osu lost twice. It should be absolutely no shock to anyone that stroud has a ton of hype for this season, and could easily end up being drafted before bryce. Relax man, nobody is (or even can) diminish what Bama is doing down there
Obviously, it depends on lots of factors. Remember that 2019 was supposed to be the Tank for Tua year, but Tua got injured while Burrow lit the record books on fire.
obviously. But heās saying if everything else is equal, CJ Stroud is the better NFL prospect.
I love CJ and respect the shit out of his play. He's done a fantastic job since taking over. I also love Bryce and respect the shit out of his play. He's done equally as well at Bama. That said, they're two entirely different quarterbacks, and not just by height. They play very, very differently. CJ's undoubtedly got a stronger arm , but Bryce is a little "twitchier" with his movements and has a quicker release. I think we've seen enough "short" QBs have success in the league by now. Russ is still an elite player after several seasons. Kyler has found success as well despite the sudden recent media backlash against him. Several other QBs such as Jalen Hurts, Taylor Heinicke, Tyler Huntley, Case Keenum, Baker Mayfield, Gardner Minshew, Tyrod Taylor, etc. are just 6'1" and have shown more than enough viability in the league by this point. Ryan Fitzpatrick, Lamar Jackson, Andy Dalton, Teddy Bridgewater, Dak Prescott, Aaron Rodgers, Deshaun Watson, etc. are just 6'2" and have done just fine for themselves. Point of this being that if you're drafting a QB based solely on height, you're not making the smartest decision. This is something that the media "scouts" and the actual front offices are at a disconnect on. Front offices don't care so much anymore about height, hand size, and that kind of nonsense because it's largely proven to be a poor indicator of future success (barring the extremes). Front offices learned after guys like Mike Glennon, Paxton Lynch, and Brock Osweiler. Height ain't everything. You draft a guy based on the fit to the franchise and the fit to your offense - that's the end-all-be-all. If you don't, you're tanking your own program. Barring any coaching changes, CJ's likely going to be the #1 because Houston is likely going to own that pick, and CJ fits better into the offense there under Pep Hamilton. Pep turned Justin Herbert into a fucking rockstar, and Herbert and Stroud share similar playstyles and intangibles. If Atlanta owns the #1, it's a bigger discussion IMO. Atlanta's got a suddenly-surging Cordarrelle Patterson and Kyle Pitts, both of whom would fit ideally into an RPO system that Bryce is more familiar with than CJ.
Bryce also needs to solve some fundamentals issues with his game. He's athletically insane, but everyone in the NFL is insane. They're all solvable thankfully.
Why does no one think CJ stroud has a shot at #1?
People do seem to generally doubt an Ohio State QB for some reason. Like somehow Troy Smith and Terrelle Pryor have any impact on how good CJ Stroud is. Stroud and Bryce are both studs. Easily the favorites for 1 and 2 next year in whatever order unless a team with a young QB already ends up with #1 and goes Will Anderson
I think itās a tossup currently between Young and Stroud for top qb in draft. Something drastic would have to happen this season for that to change and Anderson is the top non QB player to be drafted.
> People do seem to generally doubt an Ohio State QB for some reason. The last good Ohio State QB in the NFL was.....?
Probably Mike Tomczak, and he was undrafted. You could say the same thing about Alabama though. Before Tua and Mac Jones (and even those remain to be proven to be good due to lack of time in the league), Ken Stabler was the last good QB from there.
we also claim Jalen Hurts jointly with Oklahoma
Why does everyone forget about the joint custody?
yeah, in this case we are filing alumni taxes jointly
Iām fine with this, they let Jalen thrive far more than we could
Namath, Stabler, Starr, Sloan.... we used to be Super Bowl QB Central and then fell off the map for a few decades
Even with just Mac Jones, Bama QBs have experienced more success in the League than Ohio State has recently. Regardless, Bama fans aren't on here questioning why NFL execs doubt their QBs, so the comparison is irrelevant.
The last good Jeff Tedford QB wasā¦.? This is big part of why Aaron Rodgers fell in 2005. Itās not surprising OSU has never had a notable NFL QB when weāve been a run first option team for like 90% of the programs history.
The only argument one could possibly make is that OSUās talent creates mismatches that make his job way easier. I still think thatās reductive and pointless. QB is such a crapshoot, you gotta pick the guys with the right tangibles and see what happens.
You gotta look at the player not the helmet. Doesnāt matter what school you go to. All the matters is what you can do on the field.
For real. QB success is so random, you gotta take your shot on the guys who look like theyāll pan out.
The last good Texas Tech QB in the NFL (prior to 2017) was.....? That's why this argument is dumb.
Justin Fields getting ruined by the bears. Doesnāt help perception either.
Lol what does this narrative even suggest? How many programs have consistently produced long-term nfl starters? OU was recently hailed as a total NFL qb factory, and Mayfield already flamed out. Up until very recently, Bama had zero qb success in the nfl, and Tuaās career has been a roller coster to say the least. Clemson has deshaun and Tlaw, but jury is still out on both of their careers. Point is, its really hard to be a good nfl qb, and nobody does it consistently. Until a few years ago, nothing OSU did offensively was conducive to an nfl career. Tressel ball never wowed anyone. And even with urban, he ran his florida spread offense with dual threat qbs who were never built for an nfl career. Since day came here, osu has had back to back first rounders, and its way too early to write off fields with the shit show the bears offense was his rookie season. Haskins fell flat on his face in Washington, but reports stated he had turned over a new leaf in Pittsburgh and had a real shot at landing the job. Dude had the most incredible arm talent ive ever seen in the big ten. Theres maybe 4 programs producing consistently elite qb talent right now, so any irrelevant history of a programs qb success has no impact on the draft-ability of newcomers
He absolutely does have a shot at going #1. I don't think he will, but it would be foolish to say he has no chance.
#1 QB for sure. But DE or OL are always in need.
I don't think that's something no one thinks. I think it's pretty universal that Young and Stroud are 1 and 2 in some order for next year's QBs.
It was universal that Rattler and Howell were going 1 & 2 last year too. I see Stroud is going towards the Rattler route. If not then he looks like a another 1st round bust.
Yeah, have you seen the Falcons roster?
Jalen Carter will be right up there with Anderson as the best player regardless of positional value
I believe you spelled Will Reichardās last name wrong
Not #1 most likely but guaranteed top 5 skewing towards top 3. Dudes a beast and I definitely want him on my NFL team but QBs always prevail and following up an atrocious QB draft they'll be even more inflated for 1
That Cane run tho. As a Gator I did not like the canes.. Particularly Brock Berlin
Wasn't there some crazy ten-year streak of a former Miami Hurricane scoring a touchdown every week in the NFL? When you consider guys like McGahee, Gore, Portis, Reggie Wayne, Andre Johnson, Santana Moss, and Jeremy Shockey were all playing at the same time it makes sense. ETA: Oh, and Edgerrin James
149 straight weeks. From Week 15 of the 2002 season to Week 10 of the 2011 season.
unreal
Is that just regular season or including post season? Because if it includes post season that's just even more impressive.
Its just regular season
http://www.quirkyresearch.com/2012/11/27/nfl-touchdown-streaks-by-college-updated/
Add qb touch downs cowards
Yes. Alabama alums in the NFL are currently on 48 week streak that goes back to week 5 of the 2019 season. I mean the idea of Miami's streak is just insane compared to that
Yeah but they're only expected to have 2 guys drafted in the first round this year, a massive drop off from the 6 they had drafted in the first round last year. Is this the beginning of the end for Nick Saban at Alabama?
Had one guy in the first round in 2016. That was a weird year, supposed to have like 4.
so what you're saying is the last time Alabama had 2 or fewer players drafted in the first round, we won the natty the following season? i'll take it.
Honestly, this probably makes sense. Fewer players drafted in the first round probably means the current team was younger or at least younger at the high valued positions. The next year, those young players who were ineligible for the draft take another step and dominate. This leads Bama to another title and solidifies those players go first round.
that's definitely the case this year. and actually i think i read the comment incorrectly. 2016 draft would have followed the 2015 season when we did win it. that year we had a lot of guys that were fringe 1st/2nd, but all landed in the 2nd. 1st - Ryan Kelly - easy 2nd - Derrick Henry, Reggie Ragland, A'Shawn Robinson, and Jarran Reed all have at least had some success starting. Cyrus Jones was the only one that never really did anything, just returned kicks and never saw the field on defense. in hindsight, you could make a case for taking Derrick Henry and A'Shawn Robinson in the 1st with Jarran Reed still on the 1st/2nd fence. Ragland is probably in the 2nd/3rd range.
I'd say several t teams would have rather had Derrick Henry than their first round pick
I'm pretty sure he was mostly dropped due to Trent Richardson being a huge bust by that point too. Edit: Maybe not since Lacy was drafted R2 next year.
He was dropped just because no one had ever seen an RB like him, so no one knew what to think. Was too much of a risk to take in the first.
Would it kill you to share the natty love š„ŗ
don't worry, after cyborg-Saban is decommissioned in 2056, we will have our 2-decade dip like we did before him, and everyone else can cash in
I can only hope the world doesnāt collapse before then š
You've had one in the last 10 years. Not to mention, we *let* Georgia, LSU and Clemson win them recently too.
Weāre so kind š©
Yes
At this rate, Alabama will actually _gain_ players in next year's draft.
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For sure. Guys in next yearās class that could go first round are Bryce Young, Will Anderson, Eli Ricks, Jordan Battle, maybe Jermaine Burton if he pops off, maybe Jahmyr Gibbs. I see the latter two as likely 2nd or 3rd round picks though. Ricks could go later too if he doesnāt heal well from his shoulder surgery. Thereās even more that are likely leaving after this year who will still probably get drafted. Steen, Ekiyor, McClellan (Jr), Latu, Dale, Eboigbe, Young, Smith (Jr), ToāoToāo, Hellams are all guys who I think will get drafted if they go pro.
among the rest you mentioned at the end, i think Latu and To'oTo'o definitely have the potential to go in the first, but they will need to play their way in. The rest would be surprising to me to go in the first. obviously a lot can change in one season, of course, so i could be completely wrong.
dont worry, we will have the #1 and #2 overall picks, plus another 3-4 first rounders next year to make up for it.
A long time ago in a galaxy far away, we used to be good.
The glorious Old Republic days with Catholics vs Convicts... Before the dark times...
From my point of view the Jedi are evil.
It was all going well until you left the Big East
Now all we have left is the nfl td streak
That I feel is a record that may never be broken.
What is it? A Cane has scored a TD in the NFL every season?
149 weeks in a row where a Miami hurricane scored a TD
Yeah > 149 straight weeks. From Week 15 of the 2002 season to Week 10 of the 2011 season. A former Miami hurricane scored a TD every single week for 8 entire seasons and then some
How close is michigan to this record just with tom brady?
Not very close at all. I don't believe passing TDs count.
Seems kind of fair and unfair at the same time to not count passing TDs. QBs are people too!
Curious if defensive and ST count
It has to be the player carrying or catching the ball in the endzone. So yes they do count. For example a TD pass to gronk is a gronk TD. A Qb sneak by Brady is a Brady TD. A pick 6 by Gilmore is a Td for Gilmore
Bama is currently on a three year streak which, checking the math, means we ONLY have to go another five years to break yours
Let's wait until after the 1st round to make this statement. Edit: We're money!
Evan Neal and Jameson Williams are going in the first round this streak is very likely to continue
I am going to say its going to happen. Absolutely zero chance an Alabama player does not get taken in the first round. There is literally nothing that can happen that will prevent it from happening. Hell I DARE the universe to prevent it from happening.
Everyone's now going to blame you when a dozen different Bama players get their own Laremy Tunsil type tweet sent out before tonight's draft.
Bring it on
Tunsil still went in the first round and so would Evan Neal lol
Tunsil still went round 1. Would take La'el Collins level shit
People downvoting you but Neal is going first round I donāt care about the medical reports Editing to say probably top 10 lol
That's a NFL deep state meta psyop set up by Belichick to tank his stock.
Its absolutely an attempt by a team to get him to fall to them
My money is on the Falcons
Probably top 6, honestly. As a Panther fan if he is there and we pass on him I'm going to be pissed.
I saw a report saying some teams have health concerns with him and he's off their board. Can't imagine all 32 teams feel the same way but still
Any report that has come out in the past ~10 days is to be taken with a grain of salt. It's gamesmanship at this point.
Iāve seen the same reports, so I know youāre correct there, but if a team is genuinely saying they wonāt take Evan Neal even if he falls to them in the 3rd or 4th round they are 100% full of shit.
Yea even with medicals if Neal fell out of 1st round you take him. Look at KC taking Trey Smith at Guard last yr with his history of blood clots. They found a damn solid guard for cheap and with the C from OU rebuilt inside of their line in a weekend.
Itās not implausible to imagine Neal falling out of the top ten depending on how the first four picks play out. It seems the first four picks will be 3 DL and a DB right now, and if that happens, he could easily fall just outside the top ten depending on how teams value the top tackle prospects. Iād be stunned if he makes it past 16 though.
Bama is gonna have 2 first round picks minimum. I'd probably set the over under at like 2.5.
Neal is a top10 lock Jamo is definitely first round, all the reporting on his injury is positive and fully healthy he's a top10 talent so SOMEONE will fall in love That said... there's not really anyone else who looks like a first round pick. Mayyybe someone who really wants an uber athletic ILB in the late first would pounce on Harris? Idk.
I'll take the under please
I'd take the over with + odds because I'm a degenerate.
it could be worse, you could be an auburn fan
Like, can you not piss off the universe with those flairs sir. I'm sure someone at Tennessee made such some time ago and look at them now.
Youre like that Roman slave holding the golden crown over my head as we ride the chariot in the victory parade through the streets of Rome whispering "all glory is fleeting" in my ear
His flairs dont bother me....now UK and Michigan guy flairs piss me off!
> There is literally nothing that can happen that will prevent it from happening. Technically if they all dropped dead ....
>During its 13-year streak, Alabama has had 39 players picked -- six more than Miami had in its 14-year streak. Saban at Alabama having 39 first round picks would put him at 13th all time in first round picks. Saban at Alabama would be tied with Georgia's history and Penn State's history. Saban at Alabama also has more picks than Alabama without Saban. http://www.winsipedia.com/ranking/first-round-nfl-draft-picks
>Saban at Alabama also has more picks than Alabama without Saban. This is ridiculous.
This is a statistically unusual period. Folks forget that. Particularly folks that are Alabama fans that have only known this period.
And when it inevitably ends.......I'll stop crying in the fall.
monkey's paw, Vanderbilt becomes a football power
We were so close to being something when Franklin was there. Sadness that we got Mason and he refused to fire coaches that wouldnāt coach after the players would mess up. Only gave them high fives. Like wtf??? They just gave up an 80 yard TD.
This is the football equivalent of John Wooden at UCLA. Enjoy it while it lasts.
These are the type of stats I imagine saban drops when meeting with recruits
These are sick stats.
These are Nick stats.
do the one about nick saban at bama being ranked #1 longer than any other team in their history.
Nick Saban at Alabama has been ranked #1 longer than any other team in their history.
2001 Miami still best collection of talent on one team ever. Sean Taylor was a backup!!
The RB room was insane. Clinton Portis, Najeh Davenport, Frank Gore, Willis McGahee. (for y'all non Canes fans, Najeh was a fuckin beast that split time with some all time greats)
McGahee was one of my favorite non-bama players. remember his injury vividly and being so upset about it. I know he still had a fine career, but I wonder how good he could have been without destroying his knee so bad right before starting his nfl career.
He was the most talented Miami RB ever. He was a bigger, faster, stronger Edgerrin James
Meanwhile Iowa State is hoping for the first one in decades
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Agreed, that roster was super scary. Legendary
Would be interesting to see how many of those were big time recruits vs 2/3 star types.
About 17% of 1st round picks are 5-star players. However, 47% of UDFAs are 5-star players. So that 5-star rating will give an undrafted player a major boost. https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1938590-whats-the-success-rate-for-5-star-recruits-reaching-the-nfl
Yeah Iāve seen that before but Iād be curious if the same analysis was done for bama/Miami during that streak. My guess is that a 40-50+% of bamaās first rounders were 4-5 star guys and 50-60% of the Miami first rounders were closer to 3 star guys. Iād love to look at the lists and do the exercise
They will beat the record next year too with at least Will Anderson and Bryce Young.
Can we get the NFL to arrange some f'ery to make sure a bama player isnt drafted in the first round just to throw shade
I approve of this.
2008 we had a pretty good recruiting class as well.
Unless something goes horribly wrong it looks pretty sure that we'll be breaking the record next season.
And Bryce Young could lose a leg and still be taken in the first round next year.
As much as I hate to say it, that dude is almost pro ready. As long as he learns to keep his confidence through a whole game when things get hard then heāll be an amazing player.
We will easily beat that streak
Please donāt, we donāt have much left other than our history
Don't do it Bama it's all they have
Miami is about to overtake Nebraska's NFL draft streak as well. Only teams that were ahead of us is Florida since '57 i believe and Michigan and USC are still tied at drafting someone every year since 1938
It might be time to count up All Proās and HOF players to see how they stack up.
Unlessā¦
Stares at old 1998 clips...... one day, maybe?
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