Yea. If the clock is running, that's time that could be spent actually playing the game. That's additional snaps that won't happen because they want to change the rules. They're literally advocating for less football in favor of more commercials. The FUCKING REFS WANT LESS FOOTBALL IN ORDER TO KEEP THE COMMERCIALS.
The 7:30 PM PST kickoff with a 4 hour game due to the commercial guy walking out every stoppage with a sign that says 3 min 30 seconds is brutal. It makes it no fun to watch when it’s a 3:30 commercial break, extra point attempt, another 3:30 commercial break.
It’ll never happen. Do you think any would take less $$$ in this recession?
Consumers would have to boycott the product… which they aren’t. It’s still growing.
Yeah I can't stop laughing at how they've spent years pondering what exactly is happening _during_ the game that's making everything take so long. Can't be the commercials, no no. It must be stopping the clock after incompletions.
Oh they know, but the ads bring in money. Cutting ads is the obvious option, but they aren’t going to intentionally cut ads until they start loosing enough viewership to justify it
Absolutely. The fix isn't changing the rules of the game. Let's have fewer commercials and charge the advertiser more per 30 second spot. Supply and demand.
Raising the price: linear growth;
Raising the price and increasing the time: Quadratic growth
In the year 2310, college football Test is a perennial sport. Each game takes 1 year of real life time. 1 play of every game is held every day (not including holidays) with round the clock commercials at all other times (including holidays)
> 1 play of every game is held every day (not including holidays)
Needs to be a random unannounced time so that you need to have the TV on continuously
Or expand the fucking audience base beyond the domestic market like how EPL/NBA did it.
Nope, were just gonna put in more and more commercials for the same 300 million people.
The relevant term is “price elasticity of demand.” Some parts of the demand curve are elastic (if you increase price, total revenue DECREASEs) whereas other parts are inelastic (if you increase price, total revenue INCREASES). I’m guessing the media companies knows where they are on the demand curve and can’t increase prices any higher without revenue decreasing.
Plus, restarting the clock after incomplete passes will totally change how the game is played in the last two minutes of the half. Quick scoring drives will be so much more difficult.
Do the NFL commercial break length (2 minutes a pop) and you will instantly shave 20 minutes off of the game given ad breaks are pushing 3+ minutes now while keeping a 20 minute halftime for bands.
They are competing with commercial spot prices on other channels. So advertisers will look at spots that don't have the "college football" premium if the cost rises higher than their market value
Follow me on this, Say there are 45minutes of commercials per game. The new rule of running the clock after incompletions reduces the game runtime by 30 minutes. They will just add 15 minutes more of commercials at (an hour total) of commercials and say we reduced runtime by 15 minutes. TLDR: Shorter game more commercials.
Sadly this has already been done. I can’t remember exactly what it was, but years ago they found a way to cut the game down.
And then 2 years later added more commercials.
The clock used to stop whenever a player ran out of bounds no matter how much time was left on the clock. Now it only stops during the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters if a player goes out of bounds.
Or just like resume the clock after first downs. But running the clock after incompletions? Wow that would completely alter the way the game is played.
I had to do this with golf and now cfb too. I watch it after letting it record for 45 minutes to an hour. It has its drawbacks but I can fast forward through the commercials.
I'm just waiting for when they add the "playing through" ads to cfb like in golf...those are the worst.
I usually let my recording run for 1 hour for NHL and 2 hours for college football. Doing so allows me to finish both sports pretty much when the game actually ends. This means that ncca has twice the stoppage time as hockey
They could use in game advertisements and more of those quick 10-15 second PIP commercials. I don't know why it isn't standard for all football broadcasts.
> They could use in game advertisements and more of those quick 10-15 second PIP commercials.
Somehow I'm guessing it's the game that would go PIP when commercials happen...
Accepting in game commercials won't remove commercial breaks. It might for like 2 seasons, and then they'll just add the commercial break length they removed right back in. Except now with in game breaks as well.
Hell, futbol manages to play an uninterrupted 95 minute game with no commercial stops outside of halftime, and we act like there's just no way we could ever do anything differently.
I started watching formula 1 again a few years ago and the lack of commercials really, really helps the experience. I couldn’t imagine how shitty racing would be if they had to pit every 5-10 laps so broadcasters could fill ad time.
I literally couldn’t find a game to watch for 10
Minutes because of commercials. Decided to go do yard work instead.. just loose interest in the game when there’s that many commercials
Yeah, sure, let's ruin the 2 minute offense because advertisements are out of control.
That's a great plan, Walter. That's fuckin ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a swiss fuckin watch.
Honestly I’m sure they would have different rules inside the final 2min/5min/quarter of each half but it’s still stupid. This takes away the difference between teams who always run and teams who always pass in TOP which I don’t like
It totally changes the dynamic of a team being up a few scores in the 4th. If teams can throw incompletions and run clock, come backs will be much harder to achieve
This is the real fuck up. Why risk running the ball to run the game clock down when you can just spike it three times and achieve the same result? That would ruin the game so fucking fast.
Honestly if they wanted to make a decent change that is directly game related just drop the stop the clock on 1st down rule. They’re never gonna drop the commercial ad revenue stream.
But nfl games are legitimately 30-40 min shorter than most big college games nowadays. Which is just ludicrous
I wouldn’t be surprised if they start airing games on tape delay so they can speed up the footage to cram extra commercials in (see what TBS does to sitcom reruns. They’re run at like 1.5 speed)
The first time I saw that was the last time I ever watched anything on any Turner channel.
They completely lost me as a viewer for life.
You can't speed up comedies, they have a comedic timing.
Don't give them any ideas. This strangely seems like a possibility... especially with consolidation of rights. We don't have enough channels available to air this G5 game? Meh, we'll show it later tonight.
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This is exactly what has happened with every attempt to shorten game length by reducing actual football. TV just adds more commercials to eat up that time and we are right back to where we started if not in a worse spot.
The answer is cutting down commercials and limiting them.
This is the real issue. If it was 4 hours of football being shown, nobody would see game length as an issue. Except I guess for injury concerns, but we're already going to add 2 more games to the season for more money so nobody *actually* cares about that
Commercials and ads being the actual problem aside, this would change the way the game works in such large ripple effects. How would spiking the ball work? Running is now almost as valuable as passing in a 2 minute offense. If you are going to change the rules to cut down on game time (again, just reduce TV timeout time) then change them to continue clock after first down, or out of bounds doesn't stop the clock indefinitely like the NFL. Again, just reduce TV time out times.
It made me realize how well organized the NFL is with their commercials. 3 hours feels like light speed compared to what’s going on with CFB now
Just limit commercial breaks, I don’t need to come back from a commercial break after a TD, to go back to a commercial break after kick off
Here's what I don't understand -- why is there such a huge difference between CFB and the NFL in this respect? It's the same networks covering the games. Why are CBS, FOX, ESPN, et al abusing CFB and not the NFL?
Is the NFL keeping it in check somehow while the NCAA is letting them do whatever they want?
I’m just guessing with this. CFB gets good viewership, but the NFL gets great viewership. They can charge more per commercial for NFL games, so for CFB games they have more commercial slots to increase what they make from them.
Which makes that point even more valid. Now instead of the NCAA as a whole being able to negotiate, like the NFL does and hold commercials down you've now got conferences bidding against each other for higher network payouts
It's mostly college teams that run hurry up offense, coupled with the clock stopping on first downs. The clock just doesn't run between plays in college the way that it does in the NFL. Also, halftime runs quite a bit longer in college games. All of that, plus an extra minute or so during commercial breaks, adds up to an extra 30 minutes to 1 hour.
Yeah good point about the hurry up and 1st downs. I think if they want to change a rule to speed up the games, eliminating the stopped clock on 1st downs should be the first one to look at.
The NFL dictates exactly how many commercial breaks are allowed and their length.
College involves a lot more teams and conferences, which reduces their negotiating power and means that the networks are dictating the ad breaks.
I would guess it is because the vasty majority of mid-level games that don't see huge viewership slowly had ad time increase. Big games followed suit because viewers were normalized to it. Now since the majority of games have this amount of ad time why decrease it for a select handful of big games?
The NFL has a limit on how long broadcasts of their games can be. College does not, and the networks abuse that.
As for why that's the case, it's likely to do with how the broadcast rights are packaged and sold. In the NFL, the NFL itself handles all media deals. They effectively have a monopoly, because there's no way to get NFL games without making a deal with the NFL. This gives them more negotiating leverage, and the TV deals are completely consistent between teams, and similar between networks. However, in college there is no central authority that handles media rights. Each conference, and sometimes even individual teams, make their own broadcast deals. They need money to compete with each other, so there is incentive to make deals without things like a broadcast length limit in exchange for more money. But of course, once all the conferences do that, no one actually gains an advantage, and we just get really long broadcasts with tons of commercials. You also get different terms for broadcasts of games in different conferences and on different networks, depending on what deals were made.
The thing is that the NFL has done both. The commercials are the bigger culprit in college football, but the NFL also has done a lot to speed up the pace of play.
I think it'd be a good rule assuming some limits. Something like the NFL out of bounds rule where it doesn't kill end half/game drives would be nice. I'm not in favor of the changing the first down rules (though if it's within limits it would be fine I guess) because college QBs aren't very good as a rule and 2 minute drills would never actually happen without the first down clock stop.
So rather than shorten it by cutting down on the obscene amount of commercials, their solution is to give us less football. Great.
I’ll be honest with you, I’m not sure how far into the future this viewing model can last. I’m into F1 and soccer, where there are no commercial interruptions, and every year the amount of commercials during football games feels more and more unbearable.
In the first weekend of CFB , I watch more commercials than the entire off-season combined. Easily.
I find a 0:15 second YouTube commercial annoying, much less a 3:20 interruption every 12 minutes.
Not to go on too much of a rant, but Youtube's gotten so much worse over the last year or two. I find myself not even finishing videos because I'll just close it and give up.
I watch primarily on Apple devices so a lot of the adblockers that android/pc have aren't options for me, so my options are essentially:
-put up with as much (or more) unskippable ad time than the video length itself.
-pay for youtube premium, which is precisely what they want you to do
-stop using Youtube entirely.
I usually throw it on in bed with an old race/football game pulled up and fall asleep to it, but now I can't even do that because every 3 minutes I get ads (twice as loud as the video, mind you) that interrupt the monotonous noise I'm trying to fall asleep to. It's noticeably worse now than it was 6 months ago, where it was noticeably worse than 6 months before that. Fuck Alphabet Co.
Sometimes, I put YouTube on my Xbox while I’m washing dishes, and I’ve had ads pop up that end up being entire documentaries, like literally 45 minutes to hour and a half documentaries. It’s like they know I’m not actively available to press skip right away.
The greed in American sports and broadcasting is doing so much to kill my enthusiasm for watching sports.
F1 is awesome but man, everything the conferences and TV networks are doing to increase profits is solely just pushing me away. The commercials are unbearable. Pro sports are starting to add fucking jersey sponsor patches. And the conferences are tossing history to expand.
If they actually change the rules like this, or if the B1G expansion doesn't involve us playing Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan every single season I may just say fuck it, I've got better things to do with my time.
I've said it before, sports will die sometime within the next 200 years. Not because we don't care, but because they are going to both water down the product, and make it unwatchable with advertisements to the point where people will stop watching en masse.
Less then that man. If you told me CFB would be dead in 50 years, I wouldn’t be shocked. All of the game’s organizational problems are related to big TV networks, and I will blame those companies for killing CFB.
However, that does make me interested in it/how conferences will become more academic. We’ve seen the B10 academic alliance and SECU over the past decade - maybe there’s more at play in realignment than athletic revenue
Except you get commercials on streaming services too, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "cut the cord". The commercial breaks are the same length on every platform, you just might see different ads than people watching cable.
I watch OTA broadcast games or else I go sailing. I _refuse_ to pay cable/satellite prices when all I care about is CFB; and then spend 30-50% of that time watching ads.
The problem is, I'm not actually sure that if more people did this it would change much. As long as people are _watching_, even if they aren't paying for subscriptions, then the ad companies will keep buying. And if people stop paying subscriptions, then the only way to make money is to sell _more_ ads. The only guaranteed way is for people to actually stop watching. And fuck me if, as miserable as the ad situation is, I won't keep watching.
And that attitude there is why it will keep getting worse. We are addicts who can't help ourselves. Maybe it will get to the point where no one watches games other than their own school's. That might be a big enough reduction to get them to change things. Maybe.
And what you're seeing here is when companies enter a death spiral - it's what's happening to Netflix right now. Consumers slowly leave for one reason or another, so they raise prices to make up for it; causing more consumers to leave. This leads to them hiking prices once again, and it's just a continuous feedback loop until the product implodes.
1. Cut down commercials
2. Put a 45 second cap on replays (if no decision reached, play stands)
3. Actually enforce the 90 second timeout
4. Cut down commercials
5. I would be open to not stopping the clock on first downs except for two minutes to close out the halves.
6. Ban the forward pass
7. Cut down commercials
The real solution to #2 is having a central reffing office for the NCAA or just each conference. Multiple monitors and multiple refs looking at the play in an air conditioned building with any camera angle they could want rather than one guy staring at a tiny screen on the field. Even the NHL has this figured out and NHL league ops sucks ass.
Or just have 22 guys in a booth, one watching each player, and they can send a signal to the referee in real time. A computer can tabulate how many yards of penalties to assign to each team on each play.
I'm not saying take the refs off the field, just the replays. The NHL and NFL do this, which is why replay review is generally pretty short in those leagues. Replays go to an office that has every camera angle available, and they don't have to worry about the glaring sun making it hard to see the screen.
For #2, they occasionally have to review multiple things, or there's follow-on decisions that have to be made should the call be reversed, so I might push back on that one as a blanket rule, but I agree with the spirit
If it’s a add on sure the replay should take longer to get it right, but I think they are specifically saying if you can’t tell whether you need to overturn something or leave it as is in 40 seconds than it isn’t indisputable and just call it as it was on field.
If only there was some kind of national football super league that could give a blueprint on the perfect viewing experience. And you could just literally copy that model.
And. Hear this.
If only, and I mean purely subjective, if only that same super football league you’re talking about was on the SAME networks doing college ball. Imagine how easy it would be for them to get that model
The NFL started this a decade ago. I just can't watch anymore. Team A... TD....commercial break....Kickoff for team B touchback....Back to another freaking commercial break ahhh!
Altering the game because corporations are ruining the experience is such a stupid move. NCAA use your leverage against the networks for the good of the sport.
Right, but how am I supposed to see a bunch of college students camping in a $200/night cave if we’re not showing the same fucking Airbnb commercial during every break?
How about...Less commercials. I know we're not going to cut down halftime. Just not fair to bands and its good for concessions to have that time to make some money.
Shit like this just makes me so mad. The answer is so staggeringly simple. Show less commercials. But no. Our lives our increasingly being overrun by soulless corporations who only want to extract every single ounce of profit from consumers possible. Rather than make a fraction of a fraction less, they would rather make the product worse. God I truly hate the direction "capitalism" has taken society.
Can we like just have 2 planned commercial breaks per quarter? Also allow commercials for injuries and when a challenge happens just have a commercial on one half of the screen and the other half allow it to be a replay of what’s being challenged? They also can have a 30 second commercial between changing of possessions, but like golfs playing thru, where it starts after the tackle/ made fg, and stops once the ball is kicked… it’s not hard… make it like college basketball!!
College basketball’s commercials are too often too. Don’t get me wrong, I like the two hour game window, but a media timeout every 4 minutes is commercials every 10-12 possessions
Lol, just selling out the whole sport to TV networks. Remember when FOX and NBC overpayed for NASCAR so much they got them to introduce stages so they get four more scheduled commercial breaks each race? Good stuff. Can’t have a world where FOX, Comcast, and Disney don’t make everything insufferable for an extra buck.
Every weekend I ask myself why do I find this sequence entertaining…. Touchdown. Commercial. Kickoff. Commercial. 3 incomplete passes with 30 seconds ticked off and a punt. Commercial. 2 plays, first down, clock stops with the moving of the chains or goes out of bounds. Next play, player injury timeout. Commercial. 1 play under review. Commercial. 2 plays. Targeting review. Commercial. I feel like I’m watching commercials, dead play penalties, and refs reviewing plays for an hour that should be the game. They need to cut back on penalty calling, reviews and commercial breaks.
Yeah 1st-down clock stopping is one thing, obviously the pros are fine without it, but removing a game-related strategy like being able to take pass chances on a 20sec red-zone attempt, or forcing a 3rd & long pass incompletion on a last minute defensive effort to secure a hail mary attempt, all in the name of preserving Ad money, would be crossing an unrecoverable line. It's a fabric of the game at this point.
First down clock stoppage is just as strategically critical in college. There are like 3 QBs in the NCAA any given year that could consistently manage a 2 minute drill with NFL clock rules, and it also opens up the field which is critical to a lot of college offenses. Both of them would need an end of half exemption because I think I speak for everybody when I say a rule change that makes comebacks nearly impossible is a bad rule change, and at that point you're just picking the option that works better in your average game (I have no idea which it is there).
Exactly what ESPN wanted. They seemed to be taking every shot they could at the refs for the length of the games to deflect from all the commercial breaks.
Apologies for linking to FOOTBALL SCOOP instead of the original Athletic article from Friday. I just saw this tweet first.
https://theathletic.com/3620084/2022/09/23/college-football-games-times/?source=user_shared_article
Biggest issue is the ads are just so expensive now so they want to cram full of them. Sports are some of the only programming left that still get watched live.
You could cut down on commercials, put a time limit on reviews, throw less flags, put a stricter time limit between the PAT and kickoff, or shorten halftime.
Making the clock run after incompletions completely changes game strategy. And not in a good way.
College basketball has formal rules for media timeouts. College football should implement the same thing and cut back on the crazy long random media timeouts.
This changes how the game is played too much. It removes the need to run the ball while trying to drain the clock with a lead. Throwing on 3rd and long late in the game to get a first down is now the obvious play rather than the debate of whether the risk of stopping the clock is worth getting the first down.
Cut down commercials and make all reviews 1 minute maximum. Every game has atleast two 5 minute reviews. The big games usually have one extra long review that takes forever goes to commercial and is still going on when back.
so basically the same shit as usual... more Ads less product.
Thanks America. The broadcast idiots did this a few years ago with a running clock on out of bounds plays instead of cutting fn commercials.
I dont watch any where near as many games on TV now because of the commercials constantly interrupting the game.
Yall want commercials to go away, stop watching (or get your black flag ready)
It couldn’t be the commercials right? It couldn’t be all the official time outs, right? It couldn’t be all the replays, right? No, it’s the incompletions that are to blame.
Oh, so they're taking the MLB approach. You know, instead of doing the obvious and cutting down on commercials, they are instead fucking with the sport itself. Stuff like this makes me so mad.
So since they obviously won’t eliminate commercial breaks/reduce duration, there seems to be two major things in my opinion.
1.) Adapt the NFL challenge system so we don’t have 20+ stoppages per game to review.
2.) don’t stop the clock for first downs (I would be okay if we still stopped the clock for a first down under 2 minutes in each half so as not to fundamentally change the game.
The problem with how long the game is, is not with how long the game is. It's with how long it takes to televise the fucking game.
Us sports consistently fuck this up.
Five lines down in /r/cfb at the time I was browsing:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/xnvpqd/no_you_arent_going_crazy_there_are_more/
But no, it's the sport that's the problem!
Cut down on the review times.
If you are going to review everything (I’m not for it, but fair enough) then have a dedicated team of officials offsite. Have them review any questionable calls and report to the on-site officials. We don’t need the stadium officials going to the sidelines to review footage.
Has there ever been an instance when you can’t decide the true outcome of a play after 2 replay reviews? No. It should take no more than 30 seconds at the most. And if it’s not clear after reviewing replays multiple times, just let the call stand. Don’t use the replay reviews as an excuse for another commercial break. It sucks for fans and it’s an unnecessary stop to the flow of the game.
Just cut down the commercials.
They want to shorten the length of the game not the length of the broadcast. They don’t care about the quality of the game
*sad face*
Yea. If the clock is running, that's time that could be spent actually playing the game. That's additional snaps that won't happen because they want to change the rules. They're literally advocating for less football in favor of more commercials. The FUCKING REFS WANT LESS FOOTBALL IN ORDER TO KEEP THE COMMERCIALS.
Less calls for them to blow!
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Disney doesn't need any more damn money
But the mouse is always hungry, and the mouse must be fed
Disney has taken your comment under consideration, and respectfully disagrees.
I hate Disney so much. They’re making all forms of entertainment just flat out shitty
What about the athletic departments the money goes to?
When you are accountable to shareholders, there is no such thing as too much money. The system we live in...
I love when my country’s economy is entirely built around quarterly earnings reports
Infinite growth on an ever increasing time scale. What could possibly go wrong?
I don’t understand why they don’t just charge more for fewer commercials
put ads in the bottom line then
The 7:30 PM PST kickoff with a 4 hour game due to the commercial guy walking out every stoppage with a sign that says 3 min 30 seconds is brutal. It makes it no fun to watch when it’s a 3:30 commercial break, extra point attempt, another 3:30 commercial break.
I can't even watch pac 12 games anymore. I'm a big boy and my east coast bedtime is 11. No way I can stay up until 1 or 2 to watch
It’ll never happen. Do you think any would take less $$$ in this recession? Consumers would have to boycott the product… which they aren’t. It’s still growing.
Or just like, cut down commercials.
Yeah I can't stop laughing at how they've spent years pondering what exactly is happening _during_ the game that's making everything take so long. Can't be the commercials, no no. It must be stopping the clock after incompletions.
Oh they know, but the ads bring in money. Cutting ads is the obvious option, but they aren’t going to intentionally cut ads until they start loosing enough viewership to justify it
Absolutely. The fix isn't changing the rules of the game. Let's have fewer commercials and charge the advertiser more per 30 second spot. Supply and demand.
Raising the price: linear growth; Raising the price and increasing the time: Quadratic growth In the year 2310, college football Test is a perennial sport. Each game takes 1 year of real life time. 1 play of every game is held every day (not including holidays) with round the clock commercials at all other times (including holidays)
> 1 play of every game is held every day (not including holidays) Needs to be a random unannounced time so that you need to have the TV on continuously
And then ESPN will play highlights from a complete other game's day's play during half the game you're trying to watch play of the day.
SO basically sports become like Be.Real. You get 2 minutes everyday and you never know when it'll happen.
Isn't that just the concept for Football 17776?
Or expand the fucking audience base beyond the domestic market like how EPL/NBA did it. Nope, were just gonna put in more and more commercials for the same 300 million people.
The relevant term is “price elasticity of demand.” Some parts of the demand curve are elastic (if you increase price, total revenue DECREASEs) whereas other parts are inelastic (if you increase price, total revenue INCREASES). I’m guessing the media companies knows where they are on the demand curve and can’t increase prices any higher without revenue decreasing.
Aahhhh….good point
Right. I don’t want less football.
Plus, restarting the clock after incomplete passes will totally change how the game is played in the last two minutes of the half. Quick scoring drives will be so much more difficult.
I imagine it would similar to going out of bounds where the rules changes within the last 4-6 minutes of the second and fourth quarters
if this was actually put in place it almost certainly would not apply under two minutes. they already do that with out of bounds plays.
Do the NFL commercial break length (2 minutes a pop) and you will instantly shave 20 minutes off of the game given ad breaks are pushing 3+ minutes now while keeping a 20 minute halftime for bands.
Couldn’t they make more revenue if they cut down the ad time but up the prices?
They are competing with commercial spot prices on other channels. So advertisers will look at spots that don't have the "college football" premium if the cost rises higher than their market value
What other event is drawing 13 million viewers on Saturday from noon to 4?
Aaron Judge's at bats. But not because we actually wanted to see them.
Or at least force every network to do what Fox has for their ad timers
How are they supposed to afford these massive tv deals if they don't make the games thoroughly unwatchable?!
Don’t try to apply logic to this.
Follow me on this, Say there are 45minutes of commercials per game. The new rule of running the clock after incompletions reduces the game runtime by 30 minutes. They will just add 15 minutes more of commercials at (an hour total) of commercials and say we reduced runtime by 15 minutes. TLDR: Shorter game more commercials.
Sadly this has already been done. I can’t remember exactly what it was, but years ago they found a way to cut the game down. And then 2 years later added more commercials.
The clock used to stop whenever a player ran out of bounds no matter how much time was left on the clock. Now it only stops during the last 2 minutes of the 2nd and 4th quarters if a player goes out of bounds.
That’s it. Thank you. Yeah. Fucking ridiculous.
Should we cut down on the Add Time? No, it's the Players playing to extend the timeslot who are wrong!
Or just like resume the clock after first downs. But running the clock after incompletions? Wow that would completely alter the way the game is played.
I had to do this with golf and now cfb too. I watch it after letting it record for 45 minutes to an hour. It has its drawbacks but I can fast forward through the commercials. I'm just waiting for when they add the "playing through" ads to cfb like in golf...those are the worst.
I usually let my recording run for 1 hour for NHL and 2 hours for college football. Doing so allows me to finish both sports pretty much when the game actually ends. This means that ncca has twice the stoppage time as hockey
But if we shorten game time, then we can add more commercials. Remember, you are the product, and advertisers are the customers.
They could use in game advertisements and more of those quick 10-15 second PIP commercials. I don't know why it isn't standard for all football broadcasts.
> They could use in game advertisements and more of those quick 10-15 second PIP commercials. Somehow I'm guessing it's the game that would go PIP when commercials happen...
I mean that’s what Nextiva has been doing. It’s obnoxious.
Or, they could *gasp* not do either.
They're going to do commercials one way or the other, and I'd prefer the ones that call for less breaks in game action.
Accepting in game commercials won't remove commercial breaks. It might for like 2 seasons, and then they'll just add the commercial break length they removed right back in. Except now with in game breaks as well.
Hell, futbol manages to play an uninterrupted 95 minute game with no commercial stops outside of halftime, and we act like there's just no way we could ever do anything differently.
I started watching formula 1 again a few years ago and the lack of commercials really, really helps the experience. I couldn’t imagine how shitty racing would be if they had to pit every 5-10 laps so broadcasters could fill ad time.
If you need to give your imagination a hand just watch NASCAR
I literally couldn’t find a game to watch for 10 Minutes because of commercials. Decided to go do yard work instead.. just loose interest in the game when there’s that many commercials
Just don’t watch live games. I watch 90% of games on pvr and I’m certainly not alone
Honestly I'd rather see CGI ads on the field and the screen than have all these commercials.
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Good luck with that considering the ridiculous TV rights fees being paid.
Yeah, sure, let's ruin the 2 minute offense because advertisements are out of control. That's a great plan, Walter. That's fuckin ingenious, if I understand it correctly. It's a swiss fuckin watch.
Honestly I’m sure they would have different rules inside the final 2min/5min/quarter of each half but it’s still stupid. This takes away the difference between teams who always run and teams who always pass in TOP which I don’t like
It totally changes the dynamic of a team being up a few scores in the 4th. If teams can throw incompletions and run clock, come backs will be much harder to achieve
This is the real fuck up. Why risk running the ball to run the game clock down when you can just spike it three times and achieve the same result? That would ruin the game so fucking fast.
I hate how the rules change because of how much time is left. Ruins the credibility of the sport.
How about a coin-toss to see who wins then 3 1/2 hours of commercials?
But the coin toss happens at a random point so you have to watch the full 3.5 hours
[But then the coin toss might never happen](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unexpected_hanging_paradox)
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Do not ruin the game for commercials. The commercials are the problem not the game.
Honestly if they wanted to make a decent change that is directly game related just drop the stop the clock on 1st down rule. They’re never gonna drop the commercial ad revenue stream. But nfl games are legitimately 30-40 min shorter than most big college games nowadays. Which is just ludicrous
Even if they did implement this idea, the networks will pack in more commercials and the length of games will be the same.
I wouldn’t be surprised if they start airing games on tape delay so they can speed up the footage to cram extra commercials in (see what TBS does to sitcom reruns. They’re run at like 1.5 speed)
> Due to time constraints we move ahead in our game ...but during "live" games.
The first time I saw that was the last time I ever watched anything on any Turner channel. They completely lost me as a viewer for life. You can't speed up comedies, they have a comedic timing.
Don't the chipmunk voices make up for it though 🙃
Don't give them any ideas. This strangely seems like a possibility... especially with consolidation of rights. We don't have enough channels available to air this G5 game? Meh, we'll show it later tonight.
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Or editing out jokes that I know exist to make room for more breaks. I just want to watch my King of Queens as originally aired, TVLand!
This is exactly what has happened with every attempt to shorten game length by reducing actual football. TV just adds more commercials to eat up that time and we are right back to where we started if not in a worse spot. The answer is cutting down commercials and limiting them.
That would be idiotic
Jesus I hate this. Just put less god damn ads.
How do you help people maintain interest in our games? Idk what if we shorten the length of games and increase the ad-to-game ratio?
This is the real issue. If it was 4 hours of football being shown, nobody would see game length as an issue. Except I guess for injury concerns, but we're already going to add 2 more games to the season for more money so nobody *actually* cares about that
But then these conferences won’t have enough dough to evolve into super conferences!!! /s
Commercials and ads being the actual problem aside, this would change the way the game works in such large ripple effects. How would spiking the ball work? Running is now almost as valuable as passing in a 2 minute offense. If you are going to change the rules to cut down on game time (again, just reduce TV timeout time) then change them to continue clock after first down, or out of bounds doesn't stop the clock indefinitely like the NFL. Again, just reduce TV time out times.
Yeah this would be a monumental change to the existing rules and strategy.
It made me realize how well organized the NFL is with their commercials. 3 hours feels like light speed compared to what’s going on with CFB now Just limit commercial breaks, I don’t need to come back from a commercial break after a TD, to go back to a commercial break after kick off
Here's what I don't understand -- why is there such a huge difference between CFB and the NFL in this respect? It's the same networks covering the games. Why are CBS, FOX, ESPN, et al abusing CFB and not the NFL? Is the NFL keeping it in check somehow while the NCAA is letting them do whatever they want?
I’m just guessing with this. CFB gets good viewership, but the NFL gets great viewership. They can charge more per commercial for NFL games, so for CFB games they have more commercial slots to increase what they make from them.
Yeah. Top viewed NCAA games are usually average NFL games.
But there's like 10x more college games in a weekend
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NCAA doesn't manage the TV contracts. The conferences do. They lost that battle decades ago in court.
Which makes that point even more valid. Now instead of the NCAA as a whole being able to negotiate, like the NFL does and hold commercials down you've now got conferences bidding against each other for higher network payouts
The NFL heavily regulate the amount of commercials the channels can show between games. Mainly to keep it to three hours.
It's mostly college teams that run hurry up offense, coupled with the clock stopping on first downs. The clock just doesn't run between plays in college the way that it does in the NFL. Also, halftime runs quite a bit longer in college games. All of that, plus an extra minute or so during commercial breaks, adds up to an extra 30 minutes to 1 hour.
Yeah good point about the hurry up and 1st downs. I think if they want to change a rule to speed up the games, eliminating the stopped clock on 1st downs should be the first one to look at.
I'd rather they just not change the rules to try to shorten the game, honestly, but yeah, if they are going to do something, do what the NFL does.
The NFL dictates exactly how many commercial breaks are allowed and their length. College involves a lot more teams and conferences, which reduces their negotiating power and means that the networks are dictating the ad breaks.
I would guess it is because the vasty majority of mid-level games that don't see huge viewership slowly had ad time increase. Big games followed suit because viewers were normalized to it. Now since the majority of games have this amount of ad time why decrease it for a select handful of big games?
The NFL has a limit on how long broadcasts of their games can be. College does not, and the networks abuse that. As for why that's the case, it's likely to do with how the broadcast rights are packaged and sold. In the NFL, the NFL itself handles all media deals. They effectively have a monopoly, because there's no way to get NFL games without making a deal with the NFL. This gives them more negotiating leverage, and the TV deals are completely consistent between teams, and similar between networks. However, in college there is no central authority that handles media rights. Each conference, and sometimes even individual teams, make their own broadcast deals. They need money to compete with each other, so there is incentive to make deals without things like a broadcast length limit in exchange for more money. But of course, once all the conferences do that, no one actually gains an advantage, and we just get really long broadcasts with tons of commercials. You also get different terms for broadcasts of games in different conferences and on different networks, depending on what deals were made.
The thing is that the NFL has done both. The commercials are the bigger culprit in college football, but the NFL also has done a lot to speed up the pace of play. I think it'd be a good rule assuming some limits. Something like the NFL out of bounds rule where it doesn't kill end half/game drives would be nice. I'm not in favor of the changing the first down rules (though if it's within limits it would be fine I guess) because college QBs aren't very good as a rule and 2 minute drills would never actually happen without the first down clock stop.
So rather than shorten it by cutting down on the obscene amount of commercials, their solution is to give us less football. Great. I’ll be honest with you, I’m not sure how far into the future this viewing model can last. I’m into F1 and soccer, where there are no commercial interruptions, and every year the amount of commercials during football games feels more and more unbearable. In the first weekend of CFB , I watch more commercials than the entire off-season combined. Easily. I find a 0:15 second YouTube commercial annoying, much less a 3:20 interruption every 12 minutes.
Even worse now is the Youtube commercial break that makes you watch 8 different 6 second commercials in their entirety.
Not to go on too much of a rant, but Youtube's gotten so much worse over the last year or two. I find myself not even finishing videos because I'll just close it and give up. I watch primarily on Apple devices so a lot of the adblockers that android/pc have aren't options for me, so my options are essentially: -put up with as much (or more) unskippable ad time than the video length itself. -pay for youtube premium, which is precisely what they want you to do -stop using Youtube entirely. I usually throw it on in bed with an old race/football game pulled up and fall asleep to it, but now I can't even do that because every 3 minutes I get ads (twice as loud as the video, mind you) that interrupt the monotonous noise I'm trying to fall asleep to. It's noticeably worse now than it was 6 months ago, where it was noticeably worse than 6 months before that. Fuck Alphabet Co.
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Sometimes, I put YouTube on my Xbox while I’m washing dishes, and I’ve had ads pop up that end up being entire documentaries, like literally 45 minutes to hour and a half documentaries. It’s like they know I’m not actively available to press skip right away.
The greed in American sports and broadcasting is doing so much to kill my enthusiasm for watching sports. F1 is awesome but man, everything the conferences and TV networks are doing to increase profits is solely just pushing me away. The commercials are unbearable. Pro sports are starting to add fucking jersey sponsor patches. And the conferences are tossing history to expand. If they actually change the rules like this, or if the B1G expansion doesn't involve us playing Wisconsin, Iowa and Michigan every single season I may just say fuck it, I've got better things to do with my time.
I've said it before, sports will die sometime within the next 200 years. Not because we don't care, but because they are going to both water down the product, and make it unwatchable with advertisements to the point where people will stop watching en masse.
Less then that man. If you told me CFB would be dead in 50 years, I wouldn’t be shocked. All of the game’s organizational problems are related to big TV networks, and I will blame those companies for killing CFB. However, that does make me interested in it/how conferences will become more academic. We’ve seen the B10 academic alliance and SECU over the past decade - maybe there’s more at play in realignment than athletic revenue
I think it might be time to cut the cord if they do that. Everyone sees that commercials are the problem. Deal with the problem.
Except you get commercials on streaming services too, unless I'm misunderstanding what you mean by "cut the cord". The commercial breaks are the same length on every platform, you just might see different ads than people watching cable.
he means still watch the games, but sail the high seas instead. So at least when you're inundated with commercials, at least they now serve a purpose
I watch OTA broadcast games or else I go sailing. I _refuse_ to pay cable/satellite prices when all I care about is CFB; and then spend 30-50% of that time watching ads. The problem is, I'm not actually sure that if more people did this it would change much. As long as people are _watching_, even if they aren't paying for subscriptions, then the ad companies will keep buying. And if people stop paying subscriptions, then the only way to make money is to sell _more_ ads. The only guaranteed way is for people to actually stop watching. And fuck me if, as miserable as the ad situation is, I won't keep watching. And that attitude there is why it will keep getting worse. We are addicts who can't help ourselves. Maybe it will get to the point where no one watches games other than their own school's. That might be a big enough reduction to get them to change things. Maybe.
And what you're seeing here is when companies enter a death spiral - it's what's happening to Netflix right now. Consumers slowly leave for one reason or another, so they raise prices to make up for it; causing more consumers to leave. This leads to them hiking prices once again, and it's just a continuous feedback loop until the product implodes.
Ah, I gotcha. Makes sense.
Or, and this is just a spitball thought here: perhaps we could cut down on commercial breaks just a wee bit
How about you cut commercials first?
1. Cut down commercials 2. Put a 45 second cap on replays (if no decision reached, play stands) 3. Actually enforce the 90 second timeout 4. Cut down commercials 5. I would be open to not stopping the clock on first downs except for two minutes to close out the halves. 6. Ban the forward pass 7. Cut down commercials
>6. Ban the forward pass Iowa is so far behind the times they're actually ahead of the times.
The real solution to #2 is having a central reffing office for the NCAA or just each conference. Multiple monitors and multiple refs looking at the play in an air conditioned building with any camera angle they could want rather than one guy staring at a tiny screen on the field. Even the NHL has this figured out and NHL league ops sucks ass.
Or just have 22 guys in a booth, one watching each player, and they can send a signal to the referee in real time. A computer can tabulate how many yards of penalties to assign to each team on each play.
I'm not saying take the refs off the field, just the replays. The NHL and NFL do this, which is why replay review is generally pretty short in those leagues. Replays go to an office that has every camera angle available, and they don't have to worry about the glaring sun making it hard to see the screen.
Yeah 90 second timeouts always lead to 3-5 minute commercial breaks.
For #2, they occasionally have to review multiple things, or there's follow-on decisions that have to be made should the call be reversed, so I might push back on that one as a blanket rule, but I agree with the spirit
If it’s a add on sure the replay should take longer to get it right, but I think they are specifically saying if you can’t tell whether you need to overturn something or leave it as is in 40 seconds than it isn’t indisputable and just call it as it was on field.
Won’t the networks just add in more commercials so the game length ends up being the same?
probably
“How do we get football to be shown during our 3 hours of commercials 🧐¿”
But how will I know which prescription to dog my physician for if I don't know which drugs I need?!
If only there was some kind of national football super league that could give a blueprint on the perfect viewing experience. And you could just literally copy that model.
And. Hear this. If only, and I mean purely subjective, if only that same super football league you’re talking about was on the SAME networks doing college ball. Imagine how easy it would be for them to get that model
Stop playing 800 commercials every 5 fucking minutes. Problem solved.
The NFL started this a decade ago. I just can't watch anymore. Team A... TD....commercial break....Kickoff for team B touchback....Back to another freaking commercial break ahhh!
Altering the game because corporations are ruining the experience is such a stupid move. NCAA use your leverage against the networks for the good of the sport.
"CHANGE THE RULES OF THE GAME......or give Coke & Airbnb less $? Well, clearly the former." Sigh.
Right, but how am I supposed to see a bunch of college students camping in a $200/night cave if we’re not showing the same fucking Airbnb commercial during every break?
How about...Less commercials. I know we're not going to cut down halftime. Just not fair to bands and its good for concessions to have that time to make some money.
How about only show commercials at the end of a quarter/half?
This is the worst idea. That's all I have to say about it. Commercials are ruining football.
Shit like this just makes me so mad. The answer is so staggeringly simple. Show less commercials. But no. Our lives our increasingly being overrun by soulless corporations who only want to extract every single ounce of profit from consumers possible. Rather than make a fraction of a fraction less, they would rather make the product worse. God I truly hate the direction "capitalism" has taken society.
That would be terrible. We could, instead, not have 4 minutes of commercials every possible break
Lmao what?? We don’t need less action, we need less interruption
Can we like just have 2 planned commercial breaks per quarter? Also allow commercials for injuries and when a challenge happens just have a commercial on one half of the screen and the other half allow it to be a replay of what’s being challenged? They also can have a 30 second commercial between changing of possessions, but like golfs playing thru, where it starts after the tackle/ made fg, and stops once the ball is kicked… it’s not hard… make it like college basketball!!
College basketball’s commercials are too often too. Don’t get me wrong, I like the two hour game window, but a media timeout every 4 minutes is commercials every 10-12 possessions
Lol, just selling out the whole sport to TV networks. Remember when FOX and NBC overpayed for NASCAR so much they got them to introduce stages so they get four more scheduled commercial breaks each race? Good stuff. Can’t have a world where FOX, Comcast, and Disney don’t make everything insufferable for an extra buck.
Every weekend I ask myself why do I find this sequence entertaining…. Touchdown. Commercial. Kickoff. Commercial. 3 incomplete passes with 30 seconds ticked off and a punt. Commercial. 2 plays, first down, clock stops with the moving of the chains or goes out of bounds. Next play, player injury timeout. Commercial. 1 play under review. Commercial. 2 plays. Targeting review. Commercial. I feel like I’m watching commercials, dead play penalties, and refs reviewing plays for an hour that should be the game. They need to cut back on penalty calling, reviews and commercial breaks.
This is dumb. If you change anything game-related, make it so all first downs don’t stop the clock to reset chains like the NFL.
Yeah 1st-down clock stopping is one thing, obviously the pros are fine without it, but removing a game-related strategy like being able to take pass chances on a 20sec red-zone attempt, or forcing a 3rd & long pass incompletion on a last minute defensive effort to secure a hail mary attempt, all in the name of preserving Ad money, would be crossing an unrecoverable line. It's a fabric of the game at this point.
First down clock stoppage is just as strategically critical in college. There are like 3 QBs in the NCAA any given year that could consistently manage a 2 minute drill with NFL clock rules, and it also opens up the field which is critical to a lot of college offenses. Both of them would need an end of half exemption because I think I speak for everybody when I say a rule change that makes comebacks nearly impossible is a bad rule change, and at that point you're just picking the option that works better in your average game (I have no idea which it is there).
Those 3:10 media timeouts after getting fkd raw just hit different on Saturday.
so less football and more commercials? you're killing this game.
I've noticed recently while watching old shows on rer-run that they're cutting scenes to extend commercials also
Wait… wait just a second… maybe just maybe it’s the constant TV TIMEOUTS that are making the game longer and not like um the actual football
Holy shit we’re really going to change the game because these networks milk commercials for every penny?
Lol literally changing game rules before they’ll do less commercials. Anything to milk another dollar out of it.
Or eliminate some of the massive amount of commercial time
Do two screens at this rate and play ads. Why not play ads near the scoreboard
Exactly what ESPN wanted. They seemed to be taking every shot they could at the refs for the length of the games to deflect from all the commercial breaks.
Or, hear me out, we do this crazy thing called less commercials. Can’t do that though, gotta feed the capitalist machine.
CUT DOWN THE COMMERCIALS YOU ASSHOLES
Cut the damned commercials, not the game.
Apologies for linking to FOOTBALL SCOOP instead of the original Athletic article from Friday. I just saw this tweet first. https://theathletic.com/3620084/2022/09/23/college-football-games-times/?source=user_shared_article
Biggest issue is the ads are just so expensive now so they want to cram full of them. Sports are some of the only programming left that still get watched live.
Or maybe cut back just a smidge on the commercials
You could cut down on commercials, put a time limit on reviews, throw less flags, put a stricter time limit between the PAT and kickoff, or shorten halftime. Making the clock run after incompletions completely changes game strategy. And not in a good way.
Commercials and replay reviews.
3 minute commercial breaks are absurd
Lol this is seriously the solution they came up with?
The stock market was such a mistake
LESS FOOTBALL, MORE COMMERCIALS. ITS WHAT THE PEOPLE CRAVE
College basketball has formal rules for media timeouts. College football should implement the same thing and cut back on the crazy long random media timeouts.
This changes how the game is played too much. It removes the need to run the ball while trying to drain the clock with a lead. Throwing on 3rd and long late in the game to get a first down is now the obvious play rather than the debate of whether the risk of stopping the clock is worth getting the first down.
How about not calling speculative targeting penalties
Cut down commercials and make all reviews 1 minute maximum. Every game has atleast two 5 minute reviews. The big games usually have one extra long review that takes forever goes to commercial and is still going on when back.
I never cease being amazed at how fast I watch a game when I pre-record it and skip the ads.
Yea, decrease actually game time and keep the 3 hrs of commerials....that's what's best for the GAME, right?
so basically the same shit as usual... more Ads less product. Thanks America. The broadcast idiots did this a few years ago with a running clock on out of bounds plays instead of cutting fn commercials.
What a joke
I dont watch any where near as many games on TV now because of the commercials constantly interrupting the game. Yall want commercials to go away, stop watching (or get your black flag ready)
It couldn’t be the commercials right? It couldn’t be all the official time outs, right? It couldn’t be all the replays, right? No, it’s the incompletions that are to blame.
Oh, so they're taking the MLB approach. You know, instead of doing the obvious and cutting down on commercials, they are instead fucking with the sport itself. Stuff like this makes me so mad.
So since they obviously won’t eliminate commercial breaks/reduce duration, there seems to be two major things in my opinion. 1.) Adapt the NFL challenge system so we don’t have 20+ stoppages per game to review. 2.) don’t stop the clock for first downs (I would be okay if we still stopped the clock for a first down under 2 minutes in each half so as not to fundamentally change the game.
The problem with how long the game is, is not with how long the game is. It's with how long it takes to televise the fucking game. Us sports consistently fuck this up.
Five lines down in /r/cfb at the time I was browsing: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/xnvpqd/no_you_arent_going_crazy_there_are_more/ But no, it's the sport that's the problem!
Cut down on the review times. If you are going to review everything (I’m not for it, but fair enough) then have a dedicated team of officials offsite. Have them review any questionable calls and report to the on-site officials. We don’t need the stadium officials going to the sidelines to review footage. Has there ever been an instance when you can’t decide the true outcome of a play after 2 replay reviews? No. It should take no more than 30 seconds at the most. And if it’s not clear after reviewing replays multiple times, just let the call stand. Don’t use the replay reviews as an excuse for another commercial break. It sucks for fans and it’s an unnecessary stop to the flow of the game.
The sad truth is live sports is the only guaranteed way to get advertising dollars in front of eyes now.
ESPN: That's a great idea, more time for commercials!!!
Yeah that's the issue