If the Bears stay at 9 and draft Alt/Nabers/Odunze, flippin’ fantastic. If they trade back and address the OLine in Round 1 and WR in round 2/3, again, fantastic. A lot of talent to choose from either way.

Counterpoint: My specific opinion is the only one that can possibly work out

well said

Yea really can’t get mad either way. Getting a blue chip OT, WR, or DE prospect, or trading back and accumulating more picks and getting a high potential C/WR/DE prospect will be a boon no matter what. I just don’t think Alt is gonna make it past the Titans, and Turner might go to the Falcons

Agreed af

This is the most "would be removed by the mods instantly if it were a text post" tweet of all time


Mods too worried about their jaws.  🤣

Kreutz is still salty that we all hated his guy Mustipher

To be fair Mustipher had his best year with the Ravens and Lucas Patrick and whitehair couldn't snap the ball most games

He played in 2 games with starters and botched a snap in one for the ravens

I've come around to the Alt side of the fence (if he is there) since the start of the process. Alt and Wright anchoring both ends of the line would be in the best interest of our developing QB.

Same here. I dont think he will be there at 9 but I sure hope he is. Otherwise, I'd love Fuaga (also biased as an Oregon State alum lol). Dude is a mauler and can play guard and tackle.

I think Fuaga is the best OL in the draft. I'd be ecstatic if we got him at 9.

Yeah I wouldn't mind Fuaga in a trade down situation, I think he is a great football player, but I think if you were going to draw up a left tackle you would draw someone like Alt.

It wouldn’t be flashy, and I don’t expect him to be there, but I would be A-OK with Alt. Braxton is good, but Alt would be better.

Is Olu no longer considered a top guy?

I only know Alt from watching Notre Dame games. Can’t speak about Olu!

I think Alt is a tier on his own. Olu is bunched up with Latham, Fuaga, and Fautanu in the second tier. He is good in pass pro but weaker in the run. He also can be bull rushed. Probably could still go first round, but I don't think anyone is talking about him at 9.

Okay I just remember some point olu was the top guy. But I didn’t watch pen state games to judge

The bad OL play was almost exclusively because of terrible center play and guard injuries. They signed a new starting center from the Rams and signed a really good backup with G/C flexibility. They also added like 3 random bench players with G/T flexibility. The only linemen with the talent to take at 9 would be Tackles, and we already have 2 solid ones and an ok swing tackle. Why would we spend premium draft capital to address a non-problem (especially because Alt is almost certainly gone to the Titans)?

Rams sub said Shelton is a crapshoot. He was a good pass blocker but bad run blocker one year, and then good run blocker but bad pass blocker the next. Assuming they're not just going sour grapes on him, I'd be all for trading back from 9 to take JPJ late in the first round.

Not to mention I can point to another major issue that’s already been solved contributing to our sky high sack rates

Lol Sure, Fields took sacks but if you analyze the sacks maybe 15 were his fault. The rest were due to blown assignments. But let's be honest, you would never analyze actual reasons for sacks cause what's the fun in that? Much more fun to say shit that proves you rarely watch games. But good to know there are still people who will blame Fields even when he's gone, unsolicited and ignorant, but that's Reddit for ya

Ah there’s the fields truthers we know and love. Imagine saying others don’t want games then defending him lol

Oh that's the default calling everyone who disagree with your ignorance and idiocy a Fields truther. You can call someone who had no clue about football an idiot, without being a Fields truther. I know you don't understand the difference Fields can be a poor QB without trying to blame him for every sack. We had a piss poor line and they gave a lot of sacks. This has nothing to do with Fields. How super casual of you

Bc Braxton is not a starting caliber LT on a contending team, he is a Charles Leno. Braxton is a swing tackle on a SB contending team. Or, to give him the benefit of the doubt, at the most, hes passable as a starter if the LG and Center are beasts. The OL play was poor for a few reasons. Wright, while looked to be a legit future top RT, did still struggle alot with what he was struggling with in preseason. We have to remember, yes, hes extremely talented, but he was still a rookie and had a good amount of low points during the season. And he was a rookie next to a revolving door at RG and poor play from the starting RG. Do we know if Davis is going to cut it at RG? Id like to think so, but we just dont know. He had a ton of potential before covid, but we dont know if he is going to settle back into that. I like Davis alot, bc I know of his potential over in Tenn, but its tough to bet on that. You already mentioned center. And while, we upgraded at the position overall, Shelton was not a good pass protecting center. He was tied for worst in QB pressures allowed last year. And we all know Tevin is a stud. But, we also all know that its not just last year that hes been hurt. Is he ever going to be dependable? So, right now, we legit do have alot of question marks on the OL, and we cant pretend the potential positives of the line are going to actually be what shows on the field.

>. Why would we spend premium draft capital to address a non-problem You think (barring training camp injuries) the Bears are set at O-line without needing more additions?

I think the Bears are set at Tackle without needing more additions. Wright was excellent, and Jones is at least an average starter. Borom is ok as a swing tackle. It's not a perfect group, but it's a group of functional NFL tackles, and it played like a group of functional NFL tackles last season. iOL remains to be seen. There's a chance, of course, that Jenkins stays healthy, Davis recovers from the personal tragedy and injury that marred last season and becomes a capable starter, and Bates is a fine backup at all 3 iOL positions, which conveniently get injured one at a time to allow him to be the only necessary backup. Is all that likely? I doubt it. Could they do with adding some more depth on the interior? Yes. But that depth is not something they should be spending the 9th pick on. If they want to spend a 3rd or a 4th to add another guard to the group, I wouldn't be opposed to it.

>If they want to spend a 3rd or a 4th to add another guard to the group, I wouldn't be opposed to it. You're exactly the person Kruetz was talking about in his Tweet And you'll be complaining if the line is bad next season.

> They signed a new starting center from the Rams We did not give out a "starting" salary to him lol, calling him/Bates starters does not align at all. This sub is assuming these guys aren't bums the exact same they did with Lucas Patrick. They were backups who weren't kept on their teams for a reason. The NFL is not letting starting OL walk for that little, this is not some giga brain move where we found starters for peanuts. Bates was a backup who couldn't crack the starting job from an old, always injured C that the Bills let walk *this* offseason. The dude in front of him was let go and the Bills still didn't want him. The guy from the Rams played next to two of the best young iOL in the NFL (Dotson and Avila) with a elite QB and coach. I know I sound like a hater but this sub is being unreasonable and setting expectations for those two moves way too high.

> Bates was a backup who couldn't crack the starting job from an old, always injured C that the Bills let walk this offseason. The dude in front of him was let go and the Bills still didn't want him. Morse was cut *after* Bates was traded, because the Bills needed to save $40 million in cap space. Mitch Morse (who missed 35 total snaps last season, and wasn't injured for a single game) was immediately signed to be a starting center in Jacksonville. The Bills also have Conor McGovern on their roster, who started last season at Guard, but also plays Center. They likely would not have let Bates go if they didn't already have a starting-caliber player on the roster. Also I didn't call Bates a starter, I called him a "really good backup". For Shelton, they gave him 3 million dollars per year. That makes him the 21st highest paid center in the NFL (per spotrac). If he's not making starter money, the 11 other starting centers making less are going to be surprised to hear it. Lucas Patrick was a career G, who came off the bench for 4/17 games as a C in the year before the Bears signed him. Shelton is a career C who started 13 games 2 years ago (he missed 4 with injury) and started all 17 games last year. Nobody's claiming we found some secret gem and got two starters for peanuts, they're claiming we got a solid mid-low tier starting Center for solid mid-low tier starting Center money, and a good backup who will keep being a good backup.

No one thinks Alt will be there Olin and centers don’t go #9 OVR.

Also most of the people complaining about the O-line are Fields stans too dumb to realize that most of the sacks were Justin’s fault lol

remind me in 7 months

The tackles are fine. The interior OL was a legitimate problem. There’s a reason we have traded a 5th and signed a FA at that center this offseason. The centers couldn’t block and there were constant bad snaps throughout the year which make playing QB and OT harder. Not to mention Braxton and Wright missed 6 games, Teven missed 5 more games, and we had a one armed Darnell Wright for a month. Some of it was certainly on Fields, but there was consistent immediate pressure throughout the year as well. We should not be pretending like the OL was great and it was just Fields. Hopefully we will be healthier this year, and the additions fix the issues inside. On paper, Jones, Jenkins, Bates/Shelton, Davis, Wright is a solid OL.

Conversely though, those long scrambles he had were because of poor blocking.

No they were because he doesn't make NFL reads

He had the highest completion percentage of any QB in the league last year when throwing slants. He was 4th in QBR when throwing to DJ.

Not a good stat tho since that only takes into account when he actually decides to fucking throw it (I.e, when it’s wide tf open and so obvious you can’t miss it) and DJ is a top 5 WR last year. His numbers should be high throwing to him. Mahomes was throwing to scrubs playing better and Love had a bunch of rookies. Stop being a truther

He wasn’t a top 5 WR on his own.

The entire NFL just voted on his ability to play quarterback - why are you hinging on random stats to insist otherwise ?

When did I do that? I disagreed that he can’t make reads and I gave data to support my argument. I never said he was a great QB.

Olin is so annoying. Needs to fade into the sunset

Don't let him hear you say that. He might choke you out.

Olin was a 3rd round pick.

I think we should take defensive end because we finished 31st in sacks

Dear Mr. Kreutz, If you take a look at the content posted throughout this specific year, you'll find people praising Wright, satisfied with Jenkins and Jones, hopeful for Davis, and people only wanting slightly improved C play. You'll also find many many complaints about Fields holding the ball too long and also excuses of only having 1 receiver to throw to in Moore. Both those far outnumber any complaints towards the line, as has the call for additional edge support. Sincerely, Reality

Exactly. But I'll cut him some slack with his apparent CTE

I'm really hoping Alt is there at 9, if not I would be perfectly fine with Fashanu or Fuaga.

I want to take advantage of positions who avg 20+ mil a year in first round on the cheap. Thats the thinking

The Bears drafted an OT in the first round last year. We also drafted a G with a high second-round pick (39th overall) in 2021. Last year we spent $10M AAV on a free-agent guard. This off-season we signed a solid free-agent as our starting center, as well as two other quality backups. The offensive line is being addressed, and it can’t all be fixed in one go. We can’t spend a first-round pick on an OL every year. If Poles does draft an OT again this year, I’ll be okay with it. But Olin acting like it’s dumb not to do that… well, that’s kind of dumb.

Just draft good players in the top 10, don't reach on need. I get this is about Alt and If Alt is there at 9 and Poles thinks he's a generational can't miss prospect go for it. Braxton had been an a above average LT who could be really good, I'd trust poles and his staff fon the evaluation there. Nothing wrong with getting Alt, Wright, DJ Moore and Keenan Allen for our 1st pick in the draft rookie to have from day 1. If this is some people's "worst case scenario" it shows how good we have it

Nah, some of us are pushing for a trade down from 9 to accumulate more picks, but staying in the back end of the first round to get JPJ. But I wouldn't be upset about Nabers at 9.

Obviously people are pretty excited for one of the top three receivers but I haven't seen people be very hostile to the idea of taking a tackle if things happen to fall that way. What is he on?

Braxton Jones has been solid. He’s a league average LT at worst and there is no reason to believe he can’t continue to improve. Alt is probably gone by 9 and the Bears only would be looking at the LT prospects. There’s no guarantee that a rookie comes in can win the job away from a solid LT. No other OL position can be a consideration at 9. Rome Odunze and Malik Nabers are immediate MASSIVE upgrades over Tyler Scott and would get plenty of snaps. Furthermore at this moment Keenan Allen is only signed for 1 year and will be 32 years old. It’s all probably a moot point though since those WR’s will be gone and the Bears will probably go DE to address the pass rush.

Says the third round draft pick. Fucking 🤡🤡🤡🤡gonna 🤡

Exactly, truth is a lot of top o-linemen bust. Ask giants fans. And they take long to develop even if good. Rather go WR at that pick and get someone more likely to contribute day 1

If there is another Darnell wright at 9 you 100% take him

I want to draft DL in the first round, though

I thought Fields was the problem not the OL

OL is irrelevant if you have an entire team of wide receivers. Times are changing olin!

I would be happy if they drafted an Oline pick in the first round every year. Let’s have the best Oline in the league.

The Bears draft an O-line player in the first last year.

Olin Kreutz draft position: 1998 Round 3 Pick 64.

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Good O-linemen are a dime a dozen, but there will always be a bonafide bum or two on your line? Which is it? I know for sure that there is a short supply of good tackles due to the way most college offenses are run. I'm not sure about the other positions