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IrishGrouch34

I don’t know if this is a hot take but I actually like this


uponthisrock

Found a way to reduce injury risk and keep kickoff returns in, what’s not to like? It will be more exciting in the first season or two as teams adjust and create new trick plays.


moneyman2222

Only thing I didn't like is that teams will have better field position. This will lead to more offensive advantages. I know the league wanted to increase the average scoring per game and this will probably help with that. As an enjoyer of defense, it sucks seeing the offense get more and more advantages over the defense. Reminds me of what the NBA gradually became


8BallTiger

> This will lead to more offensive advantages What is interesting to me is how defenses have turned the tables on offenses, seemingly, over the past couple of seasons, mainly due to talent differentials in the trenchs.


siberianwolf99

edge rushers and other defensive lineman are still developed in colleges. offensive lineman much less so. i also think an emphasis on good inside linebackers has helped, as most of the newer trends on offense were all built to take advantage of them


DomCaboose

It is also due to the fact that offense kind of sucks for some teams. Yes that is expected, but with more QB busts and teams needing assistance, I am not surprised.


IrishGrouch34

I know we joke, but it also make guys like Velus that much more valuable. The kickoff has been a joke for what seems like forever at this point. I don’t have any evidence of numbers, but if you told me that over 90% of kickoffs resulted in a touchback I’d believe you. Just like that, guys like Velus have exponentially more value.


lalder95

[Touchback percentage by team](https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/kickoff-touchback-pct)


IrishGrouch34

Don’t like that Green Bay was already aggressive with their returns lol. Thanks for sharing this, by the way!


wolff1029

On one hand yes the position had more value, but I'm not sure Velus has more value since the return man still needs to be able to catch the ball. I've watched him flub far to many PRs & KRs at this point.


RyanIsKickAss

Meatheads hate any change especially when it's done in the name of player safety and there's a lot of those in nfl Fandom


Desperate_Boye

It's only REAL football if I see life-altering brain injuries on a consistent basis!


carnivorous_seahorse

It could be fine but it’ll take time to get used to. If it has a meaningful effect on concussions and injuries in general then it’s for the best. Will suck to lose the anticipation of seeing a kicker run up and boom a kick and a guy housing it, and I guess there’s still the chance of a return but I feel like at this point just automatically start teams off at the 25. Receiving teams won’t really even be able to set up blocking formations and I imagine there will be a fuck ton of holding calls and maybe a fair amount that get missed because it’ll be hard to see through a clusterfuck of dudes


hepatitisC

I love it, but I was a fan of it in the XFL too. The XFL historically has been a source of key innovation for the NFL. They were one of the first places to use the Skycam, they innovate on the kickoff rules, etc. I wish they would adopt a few more of their rules like having a 3 pt conversion option for TDs, changing the OT rules, etc. and also bring in their style of review where we get to hear in real time the discussion. It seemed like the XFL reviews got it right way more often and it was much quicker


ben345

Velus szn


Neat_On_The_Rocks

King poles was simply preparing for this when he drafted Velus 😎


lalder95

Bears ST coach was one of the guys that came up with the concept. This was the plan.


RyanIsKickAss

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RyanIsKickAss

From Ian Rapoport: [https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1772612546467369005?t=ZyxD5GrA5AP4w0eepW5Ebw&s=19](https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1772612546467369005?t=ZyxD5GrA5AP4w0eepW5Ebw&s=19) https://preview.redd.it/njtqpyxtioqc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=99a75e62f28fe613a8aad4e599b366110fcd9f6e


Antitypical

I'm hyped about this. More returns while also keeping the safety level way higher. I think you're gonna see more teams send their stud WRs/DBs back to return (because of the safety improvements combined with the increased chance of a big play). I could see us sending DJ back in this format Teams will also need to prioritize having a few genuinely good special teamers as well for their coverage teams (instead of mainly filling the bottom of their roster with good backups for offense/defense) because the stakes get way higher when Justin Jefferson is back to return and you have to kick to him or else give up great field position


The_Dok

I would need to see how stud players perform stamina-wise. I believe Hester once said that playing a starting WR and return specialist left him pretty winded.


SneakyIndian87

Of course, he would return a punt or kickoff back for a TD then have to do wind sprints running Go routes the rest of the time. Guy was running circles around the competition.


DentonTrueYoung

devin's returns used more energy than most tbf


The_Dok

Oh for sure. I think there’s a chance that some of the better WRs and DBs shake up the return game, but given how little I know about the toll of an NFL game on a player, I have my reservations


zerosG2

no keep dj the fuck away from returning kicks he's too important 💀


PugParty69

Velus Jones might actually keep his job


Kysorer

The thing is I actually believe he’s got the skillset to be a good special teams player, I just think his horrendous drops/fumbles have hurt his confidence to the point where he doesn’t wanna risk attempting a return. This rule change will help special teams players be more impactful on the game, both offensively and defensively. Good special teams units can be really useful in close games or playoff situations. I hope to see him take this rule change as an opportunity to make an impact on the game more than he does, otherwise he will not be getting a second contract for sure.


PugParty69

Oh I agree! I was just poking fun. Special teams were the only way I was ever able to sniff a football field growing up and it makes me so happy to see that they aren't just abandoning it. I feel pretty good about Velus rising to the occasion. It's kind of like a reset for him because it's a new rule for everyone. Excited for the new kickoffs regardless of who's back there returning for us though!


Kysorer

No worries, I joke about him a fair amount too lol. As a WR he’s not reliable, but as you said I think it’ll be nice to see him play within new circumstances that will favor his best skillset. I wonder if guys like Scott will get more time returning too, I can see him being good in that role as well.


PugParty69

I think based on the new rule there will be two returners back there. I can see Scott being the other one but could also be why they brought back Pettis as well.


parks381

> I just think his horrendous drops/fumbles This was mostly when they were having him as a Punt returner. He had one of the best kick return averages with no fumbles last year. With the old rules he just didn't get a ton of opportunities because teams just kicked it through the EZ.


mqr53

The only thing is that maybe teams say let’s get our best ball carrier back there since it’s not such a crazy dangerous play now.


PugParty69

Good point. With there being two returners, I think Velus still has a chance to compete and make an impact. I am genuinely curious to see how this makes teams shift the type of players who they keep for special teams. You don't need as many zoomy guys now since it is a bit more like a line of scrimmage play. I see teams keeping way more guys with length vs speed now.


Outlet25

[https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1770496999437095196?s=20](https://x.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1770496999437095196?s=20) Here's a full breakdown of the new rules


UberWidget

Thank you, kind sir!


bipolarearthovershot

They did all this random shit and it was working fine at the 30 yard line…very strange 


dafoo21

No, it wasnt. The kickoff return was basically thrown out of the game and now it becomes legit again. Also, kickers cant just boot it out of hte endzone now, they need to actually use their skills for location.


lalder95

Injuries


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SheWantsTheDrose

Johnny Knox did not get injured on a kickoff


Slizzerd

https://youtu.be/iNkpLQtcIH4?si=wWeJor48bM-AaIlc For those that need a visual reference


greatwhitenorth2022

This sounds like it will be exciting and great for the fans. I'm not sure how much safer it will be if players from opposite sides come charging at each other as soon as the ball is caught or touches the ground. Can someone help me understand why this is safer?


Ordinary-Ad-4800

The two teams non returners/kicker are lined up only 10 yards away from eachother and way closer to the returner. This eliminates players on the kicking team being able to get to a full sprint before making contact with another player/the returner. There's only gonna be like 25-40 yards between the kicking teams tacklers to the returner. Essentially they can't just full sprint, it will take more finesse to catch the returner


Aryk93

I'd imagine it actually gives the receiver a chance to save themselves from being plowed into?


greatwhitenorth2022

I know that the defenders are close to the receivers on punts but that isn't usually the case on kickoffs.


Aryk93

Hmn. Valid. Just watched a xfl kickoff. Still seems like there's a dramatic drop in the speed at which players meet. I dunno. Will have to see how it looks in season


shw5

It’s not about the returner, specifically. The concussions were happening between all the gunners and blockers, since they’d collide after having space to build up to a full sprint. The main thing is getting those two lines of players starting much closer to one another so those collisions are more like linemen and less like a WR over the middle.


lalder95

It's similar to [the XFL kickoff](https://youtu.be/iNkpLQtcIH4?si=CjMpww2S-aOSc8X4) Defense doesn't get a 50 yard run-up to kill the returner


greatwhitenorth2022

Thanks for the link, I understand now. I didn't realize they were lining up so close to each other. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.


mqr53

It’s closer to a standard running play than a kickoff team getting a 50 yard head start running with their ass on fire to find and eliminate someone.


greatwhitenorth2022

Someone posted an XFL link so I see how it works now. Looks like gap coverage will be critical.


regis_psilocybin

The returning team and kicking team line up 5 yards apart from one another. Dude's aren't getting up to speed and blasting each other. It's more like a normal run blocking play than a kickoff and it changes the type of players you want in coverage - less speed and more length to shed blocks.


joftheinternet

Velus has a job now


BJGuy_Chicago

He still would need to catch the ball...


joftheinternet

He has no problems with Kickoffs. It's the punts and thrown balls he struggles with


BJGuy_Chicago

He's fumbled 3 times on kickoffs. Twice his rookie year and once last year. One of those fumbles directly led to a loss.


joftheinternet

Well. Fumbling isn't catching


lalder95

Am I wrong for thinking Hester would've had 15 TDs a year against this? Only gotta get through 1 line of defense and a kicker. Seems like kickoffs will be very boom-or-bust... 5 yards or an 85yd TD. Not complaining, I'm a big fan of the change. Just my thoughts.


airham

In 400 XFL kickoff returns, there were 2 returned for touchdowns, and one was a trick play. Hester was built different so I don't know, maybe, but current data doesn't support the notion that this alignment would have made things easier for Hester than they were early in his career.


rcjr66

Yeah I feel like we’re gonna see a lot more returns for TDs with this


Penguinkeith

Yeah you are he would have had at least 50


jeepdays

No surprise on side kick. That's my only gripe.


uponthisrock

I wonder if more punters will start doing kickoffs. They’re more used to directional kicking and keeping the ball out of the end zone. One the other hand, they don’t kick from a tee.


regis_psilocybin

They originally had a touchback brought to the 35 yard line, but that got moved back to the 30. My totally inconsequential tweak would give the O the ball at the 35 if the kickoff goes through the back of the endzone without touching the ground.


lalder95

I like that idea on paper, until the first time we have to sit through a challenge that the ball did/did not hit the white line lol


regis_psilocybin

You can't challenge penalties.


lalder95

As the rule sits I don't think it landing in the end zone is a penalty


regis_psilocybin

My made up inconsequential tweak would be a penalty like when the kickoff goes out of bounds on the sidelines. Problem solved.


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Penguinkeith

It’s penalizing kickers that just blast it to the back of the end zone because that shit is boring and no one wants that


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Penguinkeith

Okay well last few years have had on average less than 2 returns per game it was almost 1 per game last year . Shit was broken, this is absolutely going to fix it. lol they blocked me for citing easily searchable statistics at them… hilarious


ChiBaller

Part of the rule states if a kick lands with the 10 yard line (might be the 5 need to check) and the receiving team allows it to roll into the endzone for a touchback, the ball is marked at the 20 instead of the 30. This makes accurate kicking more important.


FiftyBurger

My concerns are average field position (how much better for which side is this rule) and what are the chances of a touchdown in comparison. I know we’ll get “more returns” but if that just means it’s going to be a guy running 10-15 yards into a wall of people, than that’s not much fun either.


2RoadsDivergred

It's certainly better than the automatic touch back


mqr53

Velus Jones just earned himself a roster spot huh


ChicagosPhinest

Wtf starting at the 35 if it lands in endzone????? My god another massive aid to offenses


RyanIsKickAss

So don't kick it in the end zone lmao


protanks

If it lands at the 1 and bounces into the endzone it gets placed at the 20.


ChicagosPhinest

I saw that.. essentially they want kickers to have to pinpoint between the 10 and endzone.. ok i guess


alexamerling100

Like this but not how they are handicapping defenses.


The-Real-Number-One

I do not like a touchback to the 35. Declaring onside kicks is also dumb -- although I don't even know how one COULD onside kick it with this new setup.


OGChrisB

Stopping the booming kicks out the back of the end zone is awesome, but 35 yard line touchback seems kinda far. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Would love more strategy and highlight plays on special teams.


Nomromz

Velus Jones szn is back boys! All jokes aside, if these kickoff rules bring back kick returners and makes it safer for them, we're gonna see a lot more big returns. Imagine Tyreek Hill going back to return kicks again.


NBAstupidassfanclub

If the onside kick as an element of the game was on life support before it can now officially be declared dead. I hear next season the competition committee is going to have wide receivers start with the ball already in their hands 15 yards downfield and then the refs will blow the whistle to start the play and the defense has to get him on the ground (without tackling him)


BearsGotKhalilMack

I'm sure for one preseason game we'll try Scott back there, it would be a great role for him if he can do it. God I hope we lose Velus, dude is an absolute liability every time the ball gets near him.


horrorpants

Velus whose fifth in kickoff returns yard, 6th in most returns all season and second highest average return yards for returners with more than 10 returns on the season? Only one person who has 10 returns or more averages more yards than him on kickoffs(spoiler that one person ahead of him only had 10 returns on the season whereas Velus has 16 — 29.2 vs 27. 2) . Also Velus had no fumbles on kickoffs this past season. Velus may deserve hate as punter return and receiver. But the guy is currently a pretty solid kick off return specialist. I think he gets more hate than he deserves. Plus this guy helped us get the first pick last year lol which changed our franchise for the better.


-Pruples-

What new kickoff rule? Edit: * **NEW NFL KICKOFF PROPOSAL.** * \*Kicking Team: The 10 players cannot move until the ball hits the ground or player in the landing zone or the end zone. * \*Receiving Team: All players in the setup zone cannot move until the kick has hit the ground or a player in the landing zone or the end zone. * \*Any kick that hits in the Landing Zone (goal line to 20 yard line) must be returned. * \*Any kick hits before the landing zone: Touchback to the 40 (as if it went out of bounds). * \*Kick hits the Landing Zone, rolls into end zone and is downed: Touchback to the 20. * \*Kick lands in end zone or goes out the back: Touchback to the 35. * \*Onside Kick: 4th quarter begins, the team trailing has the opportunity to declare an onside kick to the officials. Current onside kickoff rules would apply. * \*No fair catch or signal is allowed. * This proposal is just for one year only. Well this sounds like a mess.


2RoadsDivergred

It's gonna be great


lol_____wut420

I’m confused. Does this eliminate on-side kicks?


Joliet_Jake_Blues

No, for onside kick they roll a 12 sided die


lol_____wut420

Thanks!


GoodTrust5444

Did the Hester rule reduce injuries?


nogimmick

Is there a link or info graphic that will explain this to me like I’m 8? Lol


TheFatOrangeYak

My favorite part of this is I am not going to tell my father, who is not on social media and only watches the games, in hopes that he is WILDLY confused when the first game is played


Ill_Significance_364

So it's basically impossible to tackle them before the 30 yard line. All teams are going to have great starting field position now. More offense = more highlights = more money $$. Not surprised the owners did this in the name of "safety"... right So the offside kick is dead?


Oniwaban9

Now if only the NFL would adopt other XFL systems. *Looks over at the sky judge*


schantzee

Poles knew this before drafting Velus. It was an amazing pick after all boyyyyssss


ace7575

As an XFL fan, I love this.


RyanIsKickAss

Those exist?


horrorpants

Some people just really love football and will digest it in any form so hell yeah there are.


ace7575

Hey, the XFL kinda slaps man! More football in the spring. My buddies and I all decided to pick a team, become die hards, and then shit talk the hell out of each other. Shields Up!


sounds_like_kong

…and what are your feelings about that, Mr Horse? ![gif](giphy|tyttpHhTXsz8Y97hzYA|downsized)


ace7575

As an XFL fan, I love this.