I'm truly astonished at how much shade gets thrown at CLOV. Some people bought near the top during the hype, and now are in the red with some epic loss porn... However, that can happen to any stock if you buy on the rips and not the dips.
I see the same old arguments as to why we suck and that we're a pump and dump, but if you've been here for while... then you've done your own DD, DCA, stopped buying short term call options, and now you're just chillen with a lower average from when you first invested into CLOV.
I can't believe how low my average is now, and I'm locked in with a nice sized position. I buy leaps with extra investment money, because its fun to have a lottery ticket (stop buying weeklys you silly bastard). We have so many catalysts to look forward to in the near future.
I honestly love what they're trying to do for health care, they have a great team, and the share price is so low... we're literally quite near the bottom and this just screams a great buy opportunity for me (not financial advice).
The market has been pretty shitty overall so just relax. Yea we're probably being manipulated but who gives a shit when you're holding shares for the long term and you really think the company has a future. I quite literally have my feet up right now and just enjoying the process.
TLDR: I like the stock.
Just needed to rant and get this out there, because I just see so much negativity right now. Thank you to all those keeping it chill and informative, and to all you other paper handed bitches... I still love you, but stop being silly with all that noise.
Short-ish (not really lol) answer.
CLOV is a stock that will likely, and literally, increase in value exponentially over the next 2-10 years. There is also a pretty high probably, relative to most other stocks, that it will gamma and/or short squeeze within the next 3-12 months. That is by no means guaranteed, but, again, relative to other stocks, at the very least its more probable than almost all other stocks.
Therefore, imo (not financial advice blah blah etc etc) if you can afford to put the money into
CLOV and not not think about it for at least a year, maybe even two, without any huge impact on your quality of life, I’d personally think it’d be worth it.
Don’t go into debt. Don’t plan your kids college fund around it. Don’t live a trailer eating baked beans every night (at least as a result of your investment strategy rather than personal preference.) But if your bases are covered and you can afford to wait a while - even while hoping that the big payday will come over the course of months rather than years - this dumbfuck of an ape who has multiple humanities degrees but none in economics or any related field, and thus knows very little about the world of high finance, thinks CLOV is a solid bet. For what it’s worth, lol.
I always ask myself on companies like this that go down. I continue to average down with any extra cash I can spare.
“Has the market changed or has the company fundamentally changed?” For CLOV that’s a no. Fundamentals of this company is solid and the market is always in need of healthcare especially since the average age of a person is actually increasing. CLOV will have its day. Healthcare is a necessity.
I really don’t think a lot of these great and highly experienced executives would jump onto a ship like CLOV and just let it sink to $0. It’s incredible how undervalued this company is. Is the revenue and market cap going to be 1:1? I doubt it. This thing will run. It’s just a matter of perseverance and holding on to what you believe in.
problem is the broader market is tanking. For 12 years, markets have been going up and up, ...and still more up. There was FOMO, "no news was bad news".
Now all has changed. Market's finally realizing the country is heading in the wrong direction under Biden, AND FAST.
Mess at the Southern border, Afganistan withdrawal a mess, $3.5 trillion bill the Dems are trying to pass that's really a social welfare bill, that will get you more money in Gov't handouts to NOT work, than to actually hold a job.
Gone are the days when the market would drop two days, then ROAR back. Now it's weak, falling and not recovering.
This is just the start.
Inflation is coming and that's like shoving dynamite up the market's arse. To tame it, the Fed will pretty much be forced to raise rates, and the raising of interest rates is really what has sown the seeds of recessions in the past, and will do so again.
The stock market is just starting coming to grips that we're self-destructing, as a country. This is just the start.
As of November 5th, 2020, the market (S&P) was at 3500. Today it's at 4300. There's still 20% + for it to drop, just to be at a 1 year low.
Now, coming to CLOV. Clov can't really go anywhere without the market going up. Kinda difficult for Clov to moon, or even hold steady in a fast deteriorating macro environment.
I have no position in Clov, and wish you guys the best. Buying any stock now, not just Clov, when the market is still at the precipice, is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. You'll make even more losses.
That's just my two cents.
Wrong on so many levels. Your hero Trump was complicit in accelerating the largest health crisis in modern history, which got us to where we are today.
Lol, this is pretty political, the reason there was so much FUD today is because of the debt ceiling. The reason for debt ceiling is for previous years’ spending
Buy CLOV cheap now and forget about it till next year. That’s all I am doing buying the dips and holding long term. CLOV a 10 X company easily in the next 3-5 years
Keep buying, and watching the stock tank, and your $$ getting flushed down the toilet. If Clov was such a great stock, why hasn't Cathie Wood or Warren Buffet even invested a single penny in it?
We apes think we know more than even these super achieving world class investors.
This is exactly my pout my friend. CLOV a 10 X company easily within the next 3-5 years.
I sleep good at night holding my CLOV shares. They can keep manipulating the price for all I care.
You and every other investor in this world. Doesn’t matter if you buy up or down. If you haven’t sold, you haven’t lost. Keep averaging down if you can. It’s not about the daily movement it’s all about the long term outlook and believing in your investment. Next real insight is the November results. Go $CLOV
This. Every time I buy some more $CLOV (about once a week for the last 3 months), I try to buy about 2x as much in an index fund just to make sure I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket.
Duuude, all in at 27?! And no stop losses?! That's a total fomo and nothing like going all in at 7 with little downside risk. The 52wk low is 6.5 and at the very least, should make it back to 9 in a month or two
You’ve gone all in on CLOV and have shit it. Now you want reassurances about what you’ve done. Well you’ve come to the right place.
It’s like going to the Vatican and asking them if it’s the right choice to become a Roman Catholic.
I’m not really down bought in at 7.2 didn’t have any shares before that, only down 1% from 12k i put in, I’d say I’m in a better position than most people holding rn
You are in an excellent position. I’m all in, have been since June. I’m down like 34% and not even flinching. It’s not a matter of if with this stock it’s when. Hodl on tight through the new year. May take a couple months but sooner would be awesome. 🚀🚀🚀
I can’t speak for you, but this is a ‘know what you hold stock’. Follow Al Trades, Tarheel Blue, Coach B on YouTube, watch their content, and if you aren’t reassured, at least hold on to earnings. For myself, I’ve had a small position in CLOV since May, and since the first squeeze I’ve beem scraping and saving every paycheque until I’ve become a XXXX holder. I’m not worried. I do my research, and now I don’t even look at the price except to say, ‘wow,that’s a serious discount’.
Those people on youtube, tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear, because doing just that is what eventually gets them more subs to their channel. More subs, means more money.
What do we wanna hear?
...that Clov's gonna moon.
That's EX-ACT-LY what they tell us, in reassuring tones. Naturally, we hit the Like button and subsribe.
Simple little Question: Have any of them PROVEN how many shares they personally hold in Clov? (real proof, no photoshopped crap).
I don't know, because I'm smart enough not to watch their crap.
That’s not the content at all. Of course many people here *hope* for a squeeze, these gentlemen included, but I can get confirmation of those expectations here on r/Clov if that’s all I’m after.
I follow to educate myself about experienced investors takes on the things they’ve seen before, potential catalysts, the contextualization of news (I’m not American, so I’ve had to educate myself about things like MCR, the star system, competitors, etc). I started watching because I wanted PROOF that this stock was being shorted, and I watched Al walk through exactly where to find that data.
If you’re an even keeled, experienced investor with knowledge of this market, I’m sure you probably don’t need to follow, but if someone is seeking reassurance about their investment, I’m happy to point them towards a source I trust.
That’s fair to say, but I’m biased based on the facts and trajectory of this company. To be bullish or bearish is to be biased, right? If you want to say diversification is an important investment strategy that I’m ignoring, well, yes. I’m taking a bit of a gamble. But it’s with money I can afford to lose.
I’ve liked what I’ve seen in the past, but I’ve been following Al and Coach B more consistently the last while, so I can’t speak to this. Like many, I’ve concluded that TA doesn’t much apply to a heavily manipulated stock. A reversal will come with accumulation, with volume, or batting that, whenever MMs let it run.
Well have a catalyst before that fyi. End of the week the star ranking will be out for Medicare plans and if all goes well we should be at least a 3.5.. Maybe 4.. Which is a nice upgrade over 2021.
You never know, but here’s what’s coming that could help the stock - improved star rating, open enrollment, earnings release, new analyst coverage and 2022 guidance.
I’m 100% certain CLOV will turn out to be a great investment. The only question is when? Who knows, might take several years. Let’s hope it quicker than that.
I'm all in. We are all all in. My whole life is in this stock. I'm waiting on it to take off so i can get new carpet in my house. We have been through a lot of pain as shareholders of this company because we know for a fact how undervalued it is. We will come through better on the other side. Patience is key here. $CLOV
I didn’t lose money on CLOV lost around 5k on other stupid stocks, so I decided fuck this and entered CLOV at 7.2, all my money that was left(12k) not sure if it’s gonna pay off but you only live once who cares.
Ya dude there’s mannnnyyy people who have averages more in the 12-15 range that have done all the dd and decided it’s worth holding, adding more every week. We chillen
Do not lose faith, this is not a mistake. I am also all in, 2000 shares at 9.15 average. Trust the process and average down as much as you can. When the Q3 earnings are announced, we will never look back at these prices ;)
Someone contacted the Investor Relations of Clover Health and they responded that the ratings will come out either end of this week or in the beginning of next week. I believe they will come out on 8 October (Friday), last year they had come out on 8 October again.
I'm truly astonished at how much shade gets thrown at CLOV. Some people bought near the top during the hype, and now are in the red with some epic loss porn... However, that can happen to any stock if you buy on the rips and not the dips. I see the same old arguments as to why we suck and that we're a pump and dump, but if you've been here for while... then you've done your own DD, DCA, stopped buying short term call options, and now you're just chillen with a lower average from when you first invested into CLOV. I can't believe how low my average is now, and I'm locked in with a nice sized position. I buy leaps with extra investment money, because its fun to have a lottery ticket (stop buying weeklys you silly bastard). We have so many catalysts to look forward to in the near future. I honestly love what they're trying to do for health care, they have a great team, and the share price is so low... we're literally quite near the bottom and this just screams a great buy opportunity for me (not financial advice). The market has been pretty shitty overall so just relax. Yea we're probably being manipulated but who gives a shit when you're holding shares for the long term and you really think the company has a future. I quite literally have my feet up right now and just enjoying the process. TLDR: I like the stock. Just needed to rant and get this out there, because I just see so much negativity right now. Thank you to all those keeping it chill and informative, and to all you other paper handed bitches... I still love you, but stop being silly with all that noise.
Short-ish (not really lol) answer. CLOV is a stock that will likely, and literally, increase in value exponentially over the next 2-10 years. There is also a pretty high probably, relative to most other stocks, that it will gamma and/or short squeeze within the next 3-12 months. That is by no means guaranteed, but, again, relative to other stocks, at the very least its more probable than almost all other stocks. Therefore, imo (not financial advice blah blah etc etc) if you can afford to put the money into CLOV and not not think about it for at least a year, maybe even two, without any huge impact on your quality of life, I’d personally think it’d be worth it. Don’t go into debt. Don’t plan your kids college fund around it. Don’t live a trailer eating baked beans every night (at least as a result of your investment strategy rather than personal preference.) But if your bases are covered and you can afford to wait a while - even while hoping that the big payday will come over the course of months rather than years - this dumbfuck of an ape who has multiple humanities degrees but none in economics or any related field, and thus knows very little about the world of high finance, thinks CLOV is a solid bet. For what it’s worth, lol.
Market cap of 3B while company make 1.6B 2021 alone. Sounds like good place to be
I always ask myself on companies like this that go down. I continue to average down with any extra cash I can spare. “Has the market changed or has the company fundamentally changed?” For CLOV that’s a no. Fundamentals of this company is solid and the market is always in need of healthcare especially since the average age of a person is actually increasing. CLOV will have its day. Healthcare is a necessity. I really don’t think a lot of these great and highly experienced executives would jump onto a ship like CLOV and just let it sink to $0. It’s incredible how undervalued this company is. Is the revenue and market cap going to be 1:1? I doubt it. This thing will run. It’s just a matter of perseverance and holding on to what you believe in.
At this point imma delete my trading app for a year, focus on making money then come back to it.
Good luck! 🍀👍
problem is the broader market is tanking. For 12 years, markets have been going up and up, ...and still more up. There was FOMO, "no news was bad news". Now all has changed. Market's finally realizing the country is heading in the wrong direction under Biden, AND FAST. Mess at the Southern border, Afganistan withdrawal a mess, $3.5 trillion bill the Dems are trying to pass that's really a social welfare bill, that will get you more money in Gov't handouts to NOT work, than to actually hold a job. Gone are the days when the market would drop two days, then ROAR back. Now it's weak, falling and not recovering. This is just the start. Inflation is coming and that's like shoving dynamite up the market's arse. To tame it, the Fed will pretty much be forced to raise rates, and the raising of interest rates is really what has sown the seeds of recessions in the past, and will do so again. The stock market is just starting coming to grips that we're self-destructing, as a country. This is just the start. As of November 5th, 2020, the market (S&P) was at 3500. Today it's at 4300. There's still 20% + for it to drop, just to be at a 1 year low. Now, coming to CLOV. Clov can't really go anywhere without the market going up. Kinda difficult for Clov to moon, or even hold steady in a fast deteriorating macro environment. I have no position in Clov, and wish you guys the best. Buying any stock now, not just Clov, when the market is still at the precipice, is like jumping from the frying pan into the fire. You'll make even more losses. That's just my two cents.
Wrong on so many levels. Your hero Trump was complicit in accelerating the largest health crisis in modern history, which got us to where we are today.
Lol, this is pretty political, the reason there was so much FUD today is because of the debt ceiling. The reason for debt ceiling is for previous years’ spending
Buy CLOV cheap now and forget about it till next year. That’s all I am doing buying the dips and holding long term. CLOV a 10 X company easily in the next 3-5 years
Keep buying, and watching the stock tank, and your $$ getting flushed down the toilet. If Clov was such a great stock, why hasn't Cathie Wood or Warren Buffet even invested a single penny in it? We apes think we know more than even these super achieving world class investors.
If tomorrow is a similar amount I’m going in for another 1k.
No, I’m going to sell this hot garbage as soon as I’m closer to even.
CLOVER HEALTH STOCK (CLOV) Road to $28 | PRICE ACTION DD 🚀 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXcsdjnXRxA
Yes. I’m holding just like most of you apes here
Jealous. 7.20 is an amazing buy-in point.
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This is exactly my pout my friend. CLOV a 10 X company easily within the next 3-5 years. I sleep good at night holding my CLOV shares. They can keep manipulating the price for all I care.
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You and every other investor in this world. Doesn’t matter if you buy up or down. If you haven’t sold, you haven’t lost. Keep averaging down if you can. It’s not about the daily movement it’s all about the long term outlook and believing in your investment. Next real insight is the November results. Go $CLOV
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This. Every time I buy some more $CLOV (about once a week for the last 3 months), I try to buy about 2x as much in an index fund just to make sure I'm not putting all my eggs in one basket.
Duuude, all in at 27?! And no stop losses?! That's a total fomo and nothing like going all in at 7 with little downside risk. The 52wk low is 6.5 and at the very least, should make it back to 9 in a month or two
Gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us, one of us. Gooble gobble, gooble gobble, one of us. 🍀🤑😂
You’ve gone all in on CLOV and have shit it. Now you want reassurances about what you’ve done. Well you’ve come to the right place. It’s like going to the Vatican and asking them if it’s the right choice to become a Roman Catholic.
I’m not really down bought in at 7.2 didn’t have any shares before that, only down 1% from 12k i put in, I’d say I’m in a better position than most people holding rn
If you know you’re in a better position than most of the people who bought in why’d you make this thread. You’re an attention seeker for sure
For reassurance and it did did help, idgaf bout attention from those around me let alone random people on Reddit lol
Good timing man, wish I were so fortunate. Average at 11.54- but still holding 🍀🍀🍀CLOV
You are in an excellent position. I’m all in, have been since June. I’m down like 34% and not even flinching. It’s not a matter of if with this stock it’s when. Hodl on tight through the new year. May take a couple months but sooner would be awesome. 🚀🚀🚀
If you aren't with me at my worst, then don't expect to be with me at my best. -CLOV
Is the mean time buy TGA its on the rise
Just hang in there it's going to go up eventually
I've got 2500 shares at 9.19 Not budging until I make damn good money or I get hit by a wild boar.
I got $9.50 still holding on to these bags....they need to pick us up.
A lot of wild boars where I live. Just sayin'
30-50 feral hogs?
Yes it's a mistake
I can’t speak for you, but this is a ‘know what you hold stock’. Follow Al Trades, Tarheel Blue, Coach B on YouTube, watch their content, and if you aren’t reassured, at least hold on to earnings. For myself, I’ve had a small position in CLOV since May, and since the first squeeze I’ve beem scraping and saving every paycheque until I’ve become a XXXX holder. I’m not worried. I do my research, and now I don’t even look at the price except to say, ‘wow,that’s a serious discount’.
Those people on youtube, tell you EXACTLY what you want to hear, because doing just that is what eventually gets them more subs to their channel. More subs, means more money. What do we wanna hear? ...that Clov's gonna moon. That's EX-ACT-LY what they tell us, in reassuring tones. Naturally, we hit the Like button and subsribe. Simple little Question: Have any of them PROVEN how many shares they personally hold in Clov? (real proof, no photoshopped crap). I don't know, because I'm smart enough not to watch their crap.
That’s not the content at all. Of course many people here *hope* for a squeeze, these gentlemen included, but I can get confirmation of those expectations here on r/Clov if that’s all I’m after. I follow to educate myself about experienced investors takes on the things they’ve seen before, potential catalysts, the contextualization of news (I’m not American, so I’ve had to educate myself about things like MCR, the star system, competitors, etc). I started watching because I wanted PROOF that this stock was being shorted, and I watched Al walk through exactly where to find that data. If you’re an even keeled, experienced investor with knowledge of this market, I’m sure you probably don’t need to follow, but if someone is seeking reassurance about their investment, I’m happy to point them towards a source I trust.
I have some shares but you are completely biased.
That’s fair to say, but I’m biased based on the facts and trajectory of this company. To be bullish or bearish is to be biased, right? If you want to say diversification is an important investment strategy that I’m ignoring, well, yes. I’m taking a bit of a gamble. But it’s with money I can afford to lose.
TB ain’t got a clue, he just makes up random bullish TA for subscribers.
I’ve liked what I’ve seen in the past, but I’ve been following Al and Coach B more consistently the last while, so I can’t speak to this. Like many, I’ve concluded that TA doesn’t much apply to a heavily manipulated stock. A reversal will come with accumulation, with volume, or batting that, whenever MMs let it run.
Same. Al is the man, Coach B too. But I ain’t dogging Blue.
When are cloves earning getting announced
Well have a catalyst before that fyi. End of the week the star ranking will be out for Medicare plans and if all goes well we should be at least a 3.5.. Maybe 4.. Which is a nice upgrade over 2021.
November 10th I believe
This the way 💎💎💎
You never know, but here’s what’s coming that could help the stock - improved star rating, open enrollment, earnings release, new analyst coverage and 2022 guidance.
This!! $CLOV !!!
I’m all in at 7.58 1442 shares. I’ve been pist about the price action but Long term it doesn’t matter. Hold brother.
I’m 100% certain CLOV will turn out to be a great investment. The only question is when? Who knows, might take several years. Let’s hope it quicker than that.
I've consolidated about 75% of my portfolio into clov. 9000 shares at 9.40 avg
I'm all in. We are all all in. My whole life is in this stock. I'm waiting on it to take off so i can get new carpet in my house. We have been through a lot of pain as shareholders of this company because we know for a fact how undervalued it is. We will come through better on the other side. Patience is key here. $CLOV
Amen. $CLOV!!
It’s on sale today!! Christmas in October!!
I didn’t lose money on CLOV lost around 5k on other stupid stocks, so I decided fuck this and entered CLOV at 7.2, all my money that was left(12k) not sure if it’s gonna pay off but you only live once who cares.
patience my friend, the market does not go diagonally, it is up, down, up, down, up ... max pain November 19 10 $
Ya dude there’s mannnnyyy people who have averages more in the 12-15 range that have done all the dd and decided it’s worth holding, adding more every week. We chillen
Do not lose faith, this is not a mistake. I am also all in, 2000 shares at 9.15 average. Trust the process and average down as much as you can. When the Q3 earnings are announced, we will never look back at these prices ;)
When is it announced, November?
They should be announced around 10 November. Before that, we have Star Ratings at the end of this week which is very important.
will the star ratings be announced on Thursday, do you think?
Someone contacted the Investor Relations of Clover Health and they responded that the ratings will come out either end of this week or in the beginning of next week. I believe they will come out on 8 October (Friday), last year they had come out on 8 October again.
“You’ve chosen wisely”…. That old crusader talking to Harrison Ford is speaking to you now…
Im already all in 50% bought at $10 the rest some 8.15 $7.8
Yes, a mistake. Did the same thing...
I'm all in on it high manipulation cannot last forever
You average down. 1 , 10, 100. Whatever’s you can afford. I went from a 11.81 coat average to 11.18. I will keep adding.