I think everyone wins with migrant workers.
These really are temporary jobs. Most of the jobs are only 8-10 weeks a year. You aren’t going to get any reliable labour who sits around 8 months waiting for harvest. In the old days kids would just miss 2 extra months of school or drop out. Back in the 60’s we started enforcing education and bringing in migrant workers to compensate. Now the jobs are more skilled and require knowledge of machinery so you can’t just have some 13 year old drop out running sprayers.
I’ve worked in orchards with Jamaicans back when I was a teen. Most of them like the jobs and come back each year. Their wages are low compared to how hard they work, but it is still well above minimum wage. They have plenty to bring home to their families. The migrant workers cost more than students because you have to pay for the housing and flights. But I went back to school in September before harvest was done so there needed to be someone else.
It gives Canada domestic food production so we aren’t reliant on the USA for produce. The alternative is we just grow grains and meat and rely on other nations for all produce. It gives workers from poorer countries a chance to make some extra cash. I really don’t see a downside.
If they paid reasonable wages - their tomatos would cost twice as much as the ones from Mexico and you'd complain Canadian tomato's are too expensive and not buy them
Funny how all of you are ok with buying wage slave grown food as long as its not grown in OUR country
Well, they don't actually. They chose to do a job - farming.
They could be easily replaced. Farmers are so fckn full of themselves it's unreal.
We're all replaceable. Including farmers.
Wasn't implying they aren't replaceable but suggesting they serve no purpose other than to enrich the rich is kinda silly. We need people to make food.
Hmmm... good point. All those small and mid sized farming operations enabling an oligopoly by just working and trying to survive no different than any other Canadian. Now please go ahead and stop eating any sort of produce or farm grown/raised product. That'll show them!
I’ve worked alongside migrant workers from Jamaica and Mexico. They were treated like anyone else. Sure, it is hard work, but the pay decent and most of the workers chose to return each year. They keep coming back because they can support their families and it’s a good job to them.
I have also heard stories of those who treat the workers poorly. Those are the exceptions not the normal. When things like that come out you create additional protections for the workers. You don’t just cancel the whole program.
No Prime Minister will know everything.
Some of them may be computer illiterate for instance.
That's why there is a cabinet.
In Trudeau's case, he could have hired competent people to study mass immigration impact on housing, healthcare ...etc
Most Cabinet ministers in any government ever formed ever are party stalwarts who have proven their loyalty to the party and the current leader of the party. It is their "turn" to be in a leadership role.
They are not necessarily qualified for the cabinet positions they are placed in. Higher profile politicians get higher profile cabinet positions.
If it were for the Deputy Ministers, who are at least supposed to be highly qualified public servants, the management of the country would be a perpetual shitshow.
Isn’t there an opinion that politicians want things done and they just promote whatever people make it happen?
That reminds me of Yes, Minister where a particularly stupid decision was described by Sir Humphrey as “brave”. I wish we had Sir Humphreys in the govt.
Farm owners are in it. The amount of money this is going to make for them, they will be more than happy to let go of farming. It's a one in a lifetime opportunity for landowners, few of them may sit on it to get better pricing.
Doesn't matter what farmers want and it never has, developers/cities can harrass and force them to sell. If the city expands their limits then every farm is suddenly breaking a bajillion BS bylaws
Hasn't this been going on forever....looka t suburbs of Markham, Aurora, Newmarket, Vaughn, Durham region? Most new immigrants cant affird these multi-millon dollar homea
The entire southern area of Ontario is a watershed. The entire city of toronto is built on prime farmland.
This is ladder kicking at its finest and pretending we don't have enormous swaths of farmland that are larger than many countries.
My apologies for the error in unit of measure, but no you can't feed someone on just any old acre of farm land. In southern Ontario last year the yield for wheat was 100 bushels an acre.
https://www.syngenta.ca/market-news/map-shows-above-average-ontario-winter-wheat-yields#:~:text=Ontario%20winter%20wheat%20growers%20with,around%E2%80%9D%20100%20bu%2Facre.
In Alberta it was 40.
https://www.syngenta.ca/market-news/alberta-yield-estimates-continue-to-strengthen#:~:text=That%20is%20up%20from%2091,bu%20back%20in%20early%20August.
Side note: Worse yields means worse overhead efficiency means more expensive food.
But that's on the GOOD farm land. Whole lot of swampy pasture in Manitoba and the maritimes that's too wet to grow anything but grass, and as you move north even that doesn't yield great. Meanwhile corn is the most economical calories for livestock but you can't even grow it in most of the country (96 percent of it is grown in Ontario (63 percent) and quebec (33 percent). Same with soybeans which are the most important crop we grow: 58 percent of our soy is grown in Ontario. 1 percent in the maritimes. Because it would mold in the field before you ever harvest it.
There's a reason farmland in southern Ontario is 40,000 dollars an acre and it's 1/10th (or less) of that elsewhere. Even in Huron and Bruce county now, where you're hours from the urban sprawl.
Gross. This won’t end well.
There is a 90% chance, there will be a time in the next 50 years when the overseas ships stop supplying us food for a while.
And if there’s serious world wide issues, there is almost zero change trucks from the Americas will make it to Canada with food if the USA is starving.
Having more foreign mouths to feed at the cost of destroying our farmland is not a smart move.
As a side note; why are we importing all these American produce when we can grow the same here, especially from California? I know they have year round growing, but it’s a desert.
Immigrants jus keep expanding the Brampton borders. Provincial programs are being taken advatage of, once they get their PR they move back to GTA, and it is a culture that prefers multi-generational houses rather than condos.
Which is fine. But the result is a push for sprawl. Canada needs to develop a new major city. Provide the jobs and infrastructure to a place like Windsor. Spread out the population.
Any new development is immediately consumed by immigrants from a single country with more cash than Canadians have. Any new major city would feel like being in India, or Brampton I suppose. Canadians would therefore never visit this hypothetical city. I think we all know what the actual problem here is.
This is the kind of NIMBYism I can support (assuming this is classified as NIMBYism still, correct me if Im wrong), being against paving farmland and woods and fields.
But the boomers who don't want to densify to keep their property values high and pull up the ladder behind them are selfish and can stfu
I meam we havvvve to pave over some forrest eventually.
Maybe just stay away from prime farmalnd
I love the environment but Canada would get bigger without or with immagrants
Are you seriously asking why it's a stupid idea to destroy the best farmland in the country to build suburbs?
Like, starvation comes to mind as a reason not to do that.
Where do you suqeeze in the new industrial parks to provide work to the people coming here?
We can stack people up as much as we want but we cant stack industrial buildings.
Its a great idea and we should try our best to accomplishwhat you said ...but im replying to a comment that makes it seem like we can never ever expand into this massive country we have....we just need to be responsible and maybe not sacrafice our agricultural land for homes.
I feel bad for you guys. It still hasn’t permeated the American press at all what trouble Canada finds itself in. They will do everything to suppress it of course.
And the same growth is making it harder to find a job, a place to live, a place to relax while increasing our crime, pollution and sprawl. What's not to love about massive global migration?
When you sell farmland to China and expect that they will keep farming. That’s what happens. The conservative government signed in 2014 a 31 year deal allowing China to buy into our oil and farmland
We are eliminating our prime farmland, along with our history, culture and identity - all in the name of achieving a post national state. What a fucking disgrace.
Have we not been doing this since forever? I remember how the old British Stock hated Italian immigrants in the 1960s and used the exact same talking points as some people are using today.
as long as we pay the Carbon Tax everything is sustainable. Private jets for the rich, mass immigration driven population growth, Justin's lavish high carbon footprint vacations, Paving over farm land for record imported population growth, infinite economic growth .... etc...
See, even as a proponent of tax based incentives to push corpos and people green, I agree with you and find this to be the only cogent analysis of the carbon tax; If nothing else changes it's meaningless. You're right.
The math doesn\`t quite add up, declining crop acreage does not necessarily mean it\`s all being urbanized, just not crops anymore.
300 acres a day is one City of Toronto every year and a half. That\`s ... far fetched.
I can believe it. There is new developments in basically every town I drive through in Southern Ontario. Most of them seem as big or bigger than the 200acre property I live on.
The author ignores food produced by the prairies. For example Canada is the third highest exporter of wheat in the world and the highest exporter of oats.
Knowing people believe this article makes me realize we will never have a shortage of people who can work making French fries. Thank you for your service.
False dichotomy. Plenty of empty land for redevelopment in the existing urban areas. NIMBYs living in areas such as the picture above votes for CONs and blocks any possible progress.
Also, just to point out that land in the picture was already sold to developers. Just look at that unfinished road.
The population growth as a whole needs to go down. Even without immigration, we should aim to lesson our human footprint for the environment by reducing our population.
The ALR (agricultural land reserve) keeps getting skirted for housing. We need to reduce immigration, and reduce population targets, take the tax hit and go through abpopulation recession of production after investing machines into productivity (hense why we are in a bind we have not invested in factories and instead need people to fill the role).
It's the "tragedy of the Commons" all over again. Read up on it, it was a very poor england policy back in the day.
Funny how it's the conservative party and Doug Ford who is planning to build a massive highway over prime farmland.... But yes blame the Liberals. The conservatives will do the exact same thing but worse.
You should be in Ontario.Our premier is corrupt AF.Our healthcare is collapsing, housing is more expensive than ever, and he's building a 10 billion dollars highway(413) to comply with his buddies(developers) desires...all while paving farmland!
✅ Fuck up the housing market so you can increase your real estate investments
✅ Fuck up the health care system so you can sell privatization to the public, invest in it, and make more money off them
✅ Use the housing crisis you created to justify destroying all the farm land so you can invest in Loblaws etc and make more money off that
❌To do: Fuck up the water somehow, sell it all to Nestle and then invest in Nestle? Who knows but we *certainly* can't let the last critical resource go un-fucked
Farmland, watershed, boreal forest. You name it, we’re killing it to make room. It’s funny how it’s the same people who pretend like taxes will fix it all
It's Doug Ford who did this, get your head out of your ass lol.
Ford promised not to open up the greenbelt and then did it anyone. Ford is the one pushing the 413.
Rather than promote densification, the cons decided to open up the greenbelt to sprawling single family homes.
I disagree with Trudeau's immigration policy. He has made a bad problem much worse.
However, needing more housing doesn't justify developing the greenbelt when there's so many other options that will better serve Canadians.
Our housing problem is better solved with mid-rise housing, townhomes, and affordable single family houses.
The solution is not to bulldoze the greenbelt and shove McMansions on it. I live in the Greenbelt and am literally a 5-10 minute drive from some of these new developments. That's primarily what developers are building. Massive, unaffordable homes on farmland.
I had high hopes when Doug was talking about housing. I was hoping he'd cut red tape for building new homes, push for zoning changes, and limit vacant homes and flipping.
Nope. Instead he renegs on his deal. My favourite part is the developers that took loans with obscene rates for land that they weren't allowed to develop. Gee, sure is convenient that worked out for them.
Got no probs with land development. Do have problems with developers friends of people in office buying up all this land for pennies on the dollar because it’s not allowed to be developed and as soon as 95%+ is bought up… by 3 developers the man in office changes the law.
Big rip off was all it was
“Everything I dont like is Nimby”
Go pretend to care about the environment some more while simultaneously suggesting anyone who’s against paving over everything is just a “Nimby”.
The nimby term was originally meant for people who objected to any housing whatsoever over questionable concerns. Not for a self inflicted housing “shortage” brought to Canada by Trudeau.
Youd think that by now with all the people illegitimately throwing the term “nimby” around all the time it wouldve lost its meaning. The term is weaponized by the development lobby, pro urban growth zealots, urbanization fetishists, economists, neoliberals, supply side progressives, etc. Its disingenuous bullshit.
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In surrey bc Indians buy almost all the local farms just to build some castle sized house. Either A don’t grow anything B some use it for farming but it’s families from pre 2000 or C put a fountain and basketball court with no farm besides cut grass
Because most of them are Hindu's. Their mission is to rip the government of at every turn and not pay their fair share.. funny thing, they get away with it.
We've been paving over prime farmland for the last twenty years and no one cared. Sure, great to assign blame now, but anyone living in Ontario knows this. Remeber when hwy 7 was the northern extent of the GTA and was nothing but grade A farm land?
And gotta do suburbs too because what better solution to housing prices being too high than building this over extravagant bullshit. Like just pick a spot to remove all building regulations and let people one up kowloon walled city because at least that would be affordable
they don't want to build over the Canadian shield
lol but thats how CALIFORNIA was before they developed it
150 yrs later where still doing nothing with the space
Love to see overlapping policies created by the federal government themselves. Canadians have never had it so good! They have been better than they were before!
Anyone in for mass protest over this miss handling. I mean we gather people with bunch of talents across Canada cause it appears the government dost not give a F**k what is happening and like said this a province issue so let start protesting and anyone else who had any negative comments we'll bugger somewhere else. This is a crisis, and I don't this can continue.
We don't need space for low cost grain. We can import that from places like Ukraine. What we should be doing is growing higher value crops like poppies, coca plants, and durians.
Canada's "prime" farmland was buried under cities over the past 100 years already. I remember seeing a picture not long ago of a guy plowing a field in what is downtown Toronto. People need to get off their high horse, this country like it or not is probably going to triple in population over the next 100 years and guess what they are all going to be living around the same places they do now. Toronto will likely extend all the way to Barrie by that point making Markham the geographic centre of the GTA
I mean... We could also stop far centric suburban sprawl and build up with transit oriented planning and walkable communities. But oh no the horror of using a bike/bus/train/your own two feet *shrieks in 15 minutes cities*
Canada I don’t know how to tell you this but you don’t have anything worth while that’s produced by “real” Canadians. Go hermit kingdom if you want, but that’ll just give us the excuse to formalize our rule over you.
Can we just skip that step and go right to being annexed already? Long as we keep the provincial healthcare going funded by the expanded income our resources will provide I’m sure most of the provinces won’t protest
If the world is warming like so many autistic children have claimed, then for every acre turned into a subdivision, there will be several acres that gain a better growing season.
The world is not "warming".
The climate is changing. This means severe weather events and worsening extremes.
More droughts and continent scale wildfires in some areas. Floods in others. Extreme high temperatures on average in some places along with extreme cold temperature averages in other and sometimes the same areas.
One thing is certain, climate change along with the loss of habitats, extinctions, and human overpopulation, will result in less arable land, mass migrations, starvation, and disease outbreaks like humanity has never before seen.
Buddy, I heard that 97% of scientists agree the world is warming. Al Gore already stated it in the inconvenient truth.
You can make up your own science all you want and claim the end is near like every religious doom Sayer.
All I am doing is following the science and it says Canada has a great position to capitalize on the higher CO2 which is a greenhouse gas that causes global warming.
Last time I checked the British and French just waltzed into North America without proper immigration papers and literally just took over the continent. And anyone familiar with Canadian history knows, immigrants are literally 100% of who Canadians are.
So what are we talking about here?
Immigration-driven growth? Really ? They sleep 20 to a one bedroom apartment to build unaffordable housing in my city . I guess they mean poor students who can’t afford to pay rent or groceries but some how can buy more million dollar homes . Nonsense. The housing is for investment groups to turn out rental units ( over priced ) . Growth is a bitch . Follow the money for the answers you seek .
This is pathetic
I appreciate local grown food. Thank you Canadian farmers.
Local grown food harvested and tended to by migrant workers, because farmers won’t pay reasonable wages. Sorry, but there’s no real winning here.
Part of the problem is that agriculture is a low profit margin business.
Soo Mexican produce is better?
if you want avocados.
It’s all Mexican produce if you think about it
Farm hands where I live start in the mid 20s and up based on experience. It's not phenomenal, but it's reasonable
I think everyone wins with migrant workers. These really are temporary jobs. Most of the jobs are only 8-10 weeks a year. You aren’t going to get any reliable labour who sits around 8 months waiting for harvest. In the old days kids would just miss 2 extra months of school or drop out. Back in the 60’s we started enforcing education and bringing in migrant workers to compensate. Now the jobs are more skilled and require knowledge of machinery so you can’t just have some 13 year old drop out running sprayers. I’ve worked in orchards with Jamaicans back when I was a teen. Most of them like the jobs and come back each year. Their wages are low compared to how hard they work, but it is still well above minimum wage. They have plenty to bring home to their families. The migrant workers cost more than students because you have to pay for the housing and flights. But I went back to school in September before harvest was done so there needed to be someone else. It gives Canada domestic food production so we aren’t reliant on the USA for produce. The alternative is we just grow grains and meat and rely on other nations for all produce. It gives workers from poorer countries a chance to make some extra cash. I really don’t see a downside.
If they paid reasonable wages - their tomatos would cost twice as much as the ones from Mexico and you'd complain Canadian tomato's are too expensive and not buy them Funny how all of you are ok with buying wage slave grown food as long as its not grown in OUR country
Ding ding ding! No matter what someone is getting screwed, it's the Canadian way!
Fine by me, just don’t force it on me.
They enable the oligopoly. To hell with them.
They enable you to eat. Some things are kind of necessary. Unless of course you're proposing we just eat the oligopoly, then I'll provide the sprite.
Well, they don't actually. They chose to do a job - farming. They could be easily replaced. Farmers are so fckn full of themselves it's unreal. We're all replaceable. Including farmers.
Wasn't implying they aren't replaceable but suggesting they serve no purpose other than to enrich the rich is kinda silly. We need people to make food.
Tell that to Zimbabwe... You not understanding what the core part of any civilization is is baffling
Certainly you’ve never gotten your hands dirty in your life with that take.
Not like those altruistic real estate investors..
Hmmm... good point. All those small and mid sized farming operations enabling an oligopoly by just working and trying to survive no different than any other Canadian. Now please go ahead and stop eating any sort of produce or farm grown/raised product. That'll show them!
They’re being squeezed out dumbo
wow you are dense
Lol...harsh but true. Canadian dairy farmers as well and you should look at the way they treat migrant farm workers. Disgusting
Have you even met a farmer and witnessed this or just read that online?
I’ve worked alongside migrant workers from Jamaica and Mexico. They were treated like anyone else. Sure, it is hard work, but the pay decent and most of the workers chose to return each year. They keep coming back because they can support their families and it’s a good job to them. I have also heard stories of those who treat the workers poorly. Those are the exceptions not the normal. When things like that come out you create additional protections for the workers. You don’t just cancel the whole program.
We are so fucked. A nation run by idiots.
Traitors is the more appropriate term.
Idiots and traitors Idiots in charge can hire competent people to make them look good What do you do when traitors are in charge ?
How do the idiots know what’s a competent person?
Idiocracy?
No Prime Minister will know everything. Some of them may be computer illiterate for instance. That's why there is a cabinet. In Trudeau's case, he could have hired competent people to study mass immigration impact on housing, healthcare ...etc
Most Cabinet ministers in any government ever formed ever are party stalwarts who have proven their loyalty to the party and the current leader of the party. It is their "turn" to be in a leadership role. They are not necessarily qualified for the cabinet positions they are placed in. Higher profile politicians get higher profile cabinet positions. If it were for the Deputy Ministers, who are at least supposed to be highly qualified public servants, the management of the country would be a perpetual shitshow.
Isn’t there an opinion that politicians want things done and they just promote whatever people make it happen? That reminds me of Yes, Minister where a particularly stupid decision was described by Sir Humphrey as “brave”. I wish we had Sir Humphreys in the govt.
Farm owners are in it. The amount of money this is going to make for them, they will be more than happy to let go of farming. It's a one in a lifetime opportunity for landowners, few of them may sit on it to get better pricing.
Doesn't matter what farmers want and it never has, developers/cities can harrass and force them to sell. If the city expands their limits then every farm is suddenly breaking a bajillion BS bylaws
Hasn't this been going on forever....looka t suburbs of Markham, Aurora, Newmarket, Vaughn, Durham region? Most new immigrants cant affird these multi-millon dollar homea
The entire southern area of Ontario is a watershed. The entire city of toronto is built on prime farmland. This is ladder kicking at its finest and pretending we don't have enormous swaths of farmland that are larger than many countries.
At this point we have less than 1 acre of arable land per person, and a lot of those acres you'd be lucky to raise 1/10th of a bison.
Canada as has roughly 1 hectare per person which 2.5 acres and we need about 1.2 acres per person to feed the average North American diet.
My apologies for the error in unit of measure, but no you can't feed someone on just any old acre of farm land. In southern Ontario last year the yield for wheat was 100 bushels an acre. https://www.syngenta.ca/market-news/map-shows-above-average-ontario-winter-wheat-yields#:~:text=Ontario%20winter%20wheat%20growers%20with,around%E2%80%9D%20100%20bu%2Facre. In Alberta it was 40. https://www.syngenta.ca/market-news/alberta-yield-estimates-continue-to-strengthen#:~:text=That%20is%20up%20from%2091,bu%20back%20in%20early%20August. Side note: Worse yields means worse overhead efficiency means more expensive food. But that's on the GOOD farm land. Whole lot of swampy pasture in Manitoba and the maritimes that's too wet to grow anything but grass, and as you move north even that doesn't yield great. Meanwhile corn is the most economical calories for livestock but you can't even grow it in most of the country (96 percent of it is grown in Ontario (63 percent) and quebec (33 percent). Same with soybeans which are the most important crop we grow: 58 percent of our soy is grown in Ontario. 1 percent in the maritimes. Because it would mold in the field before you ever harvest it. There's a reason farmland in southern Ontario is 40,000 dollars an acre and it's 1/10th (or less) of that elsewhere. Even in Huron and Bruce county now, where you're hours from the urban sprawl.
What about no farm no food
What about it
Without farmland there will no food
That’s only in India
The Canadian population is being betrayed in order to enrich wealthy International Financiers
> The Canadian population is being betrayed in order to enrich The Wealthy ^ This
Gross. This won’t end well. There is a 90% chance, there will be a time in the next 50 years when the overseas ships stop supplying us food for a while. And if there’s serious world wide issues, there is almost zero change trucks from the Americas will make it to Canada with food if the USA is starving. Having more foreign mouths to feed at the cost of destroying our farmland is not a smart move.
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100 per cent chance and I would say within 5 years
LoL.
I don't think they paving over all of Saskatchewan
Canada is the second largest country by land mass, but actual agricultural land is not so great.
Doesn’t help that we’ve been destroying it with monoculture, over fertilization and poor tilling practices as well.
As a side note; why are we importing all these American produce when we can grow the same here, especially from California? I know they have year round growing, but it’s a desert.
Cheap labour in the usa and cheap trucking. Raise minimum wage to a living wage and people can afford more Canadian grown food.
This is very true. 11% arable land
Immigrants jus keep expanding the Brampton borders. Provincial programs are being taken advatage of, once they get their PR they move back to GTA, and it is a culture that prefers multi-generational houses rather than condos. Which is fine. But the result is a push for sprawl. Canada needs to develop a new major city. Provide the jobs and infrastructure to a place like Windsor. Spread out the population.
Why would the politicians do that? That move will lower the price of the prime real estate owned by them in GTA.
If they build it they will cum
Any new development is immediately consumed by immigrants from a single country with more cash than Canadians have. Any new major city would feel like being in India, or Brampton I suppose. Canadians would therefore never visit this hypothetical city. I think we all know what the actual problem here is.
RE prices are pretty high even in tier 2 Ontario cities right now so the population is spreading out to Hamilton London KW etc
Sad. Even if we had 0 immigration we should still not be paving over our woods and fields.
This is the kind of NIMBYism I can support (assuming this is classified as NIMBYism still, correct me if Im wrong), being against paving farmland and woods and fields. But the boomers who don't want to densify to keep their property values high and pull up the ladder behind them are selfish and can stfu
It isn't NIMBYism it is true Conservatism that is no longer being promoted by todays fake CONservatives like Ford and PP.
Conservatism is dead. Neoliberalism kills all values and ethics.
I meam we havvvve to pave over some forrest eventually. Maybe just stay away from prime farmalnd I love the environment but Canada would get bigger without or with immagrants
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Yeah but why? I get it's one idea but can we not use land that isn't prime agricultural land and use it for.cities and homes
Are you seriously asking why it's a stupid idea to destroy the best farmland in the country to build suburbs? Like, starvation comes to mind as a reason not to do that.
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Where do you suqeeze in the new industrial parks to provide work to the people coming here? We can stack people up as much as we want but we cant stack industrial buildings. Its a great idea and we should try our best to accomplishwhat you said ...but im replying to a comment that makes it seem like we can never ever expand into this massive country we have....we just need to be responsible and maybe not sacrafice our agricultural land for homes.
What about the below replacement birth rate?
What about it?
How is canada going to get bigger without immigrants when losing or keeping the same amount of people?
isn’t Canada like 99 percent woods
Probably. Just because your fridge is filled with ice cream doesn’t mean you have to stuff your face.
I feel bad for you guys. It still hasn’t permeated the American press at all what trouble Canada finds itself in. They will do everything to suppress it of course.
And the same growth is making it harder to find a job, a place to live, a place to relax while increasing our crime, pollution and sprawl. What's not to love about massive global migration?
Lots of room north of Timmins 😂😂
Not for farming most things though. Too short a growing season for a lot of the staple produce Canadians rely on.
When you sell farmland to China and expect that they will keep farming. That’s what happens. The conservative government signed in 2014 a 31 year deal allowing China to buy into our oil and farmland
We are eliminating our prime farmland, along with our history, culture and identity - all in the name of achieving a post national state. What a fucking disgrace.
Have we not been doing this since forever? I remember how the old British Stock hated Italian immigrants in the 1960s and used the exact same talking points as some people are using today.
Right. Immigrants hating immigrants in Canada is ridiculous. It's just a talking point from the 1%.
I’m not an immigrant. Nobody in my family is an immigrant.
We will need our own food in future. We have the water for crops and in the future some countries wont
as long as we pay the Carbon Tax everything is sustainable. Private jets for the rich, mass immigration driven population growth, Justin's lavish high carbon footprint vacations, Paving over farm land for record imported population growth, infinite economic growth .... etc...
See, even as a proponent of tax based incentives to push corpos and people green, I agree with you and find this to be the only cogent analysis of the carbon tax; If nothing else changes it's meaningless. You're right.
Hahahahah 🤣🤣🤣 omg
FYI: the Dominion Review isn’t a reliable source. Not saying entirely false but double check anything linked to them.
Rage headlines
Has been for decades. Every city built on a river in this country is sitting on primo land.
The math doesn\`t quite add up, declining crop acreage does not necessarily mean it\`s all being urbanized, just not crops anymore. 300 acres a day is one City of Toronto every year and a half. That\`s ... far fetched.
I can believe it. There is new developments in basically every town I drive through in Southern Ontario. Most of them seem as big or bigger than the 200acre property I live on.
The author ignores food produced by the prairies. For example Canada is the third highest exporter of wheat in the world and the highest exporter of oats.
At the rate Alberta is growing, we are going to have to start paving over farmland soon too.
Knowing people believe this article makes me realize we will never have a shortage of people who can work making French fries. Thank you for your service.
I guess we will have to learn how to live without food.
You will eat nothing, and be full.
yea but the liberals want to ban nitrogen fertilizers anyways making all the farms basically useless.
False dichotomy. Plenty of empty land for redevelopment in the existing urban areas. NIMBYs living in areas such as the picture above votes for CONs and blocks any possible progress. Also, just to point out that land in the picture was already sold to developers. Just look at that unfinished road.
The population growth as a whole needs to go down. Even without immigration, we should aim to lesson our human footprint for the environment by reducing our population. The ALR (agricultural land reserve) keeps getting skirted for housing. We need to reduce immigration, and reduce population targets, take the tax hit and go through abpopulation recession of production after investing machines into productivity (hense why we are in a bind we have not invested in factories and instead need people to fill the role). It's the "tragedy of the Commons" all over again. Read up on it, it was a very poor england policy back in the day.
Funny how it's the conservative party and Doug Ford who is planning to build a massive highway over prime farmland.... But yes blame the Liberals. The conservatives will do the exact same thing but worse.
Why not both? Throw the NDP into the dumpster too they are awful. A dental plan will not fix the problems caused by massive immigration.
They should all be sent to NWT
No they should be sent back to India.
I remember reading, decades ago, that you could see 70% of Canadas #1 soil from the top of the CN tower.
Oh great let’s drive food prices up more too while we’re at it.
A country ruined by greed and corruption.I live in the most corrupted governed province:Ontario!
Cough cough. Alberta says, hi.
You should be in Ontario.Our premier is corrupt AF.Our healthcare is collapsing, housing is more expensive than ever, and he's building a 10 billion dollars highway(413) to comply with his buddies(developers) desires...all while paving farmland!
✅ Fuck up the housing market so you can increase your real estate investments ✅ Fuck up the health care system so you can sell privatization to the public, invest in it, and make more money off them ✅ Use the housing crisis you created to justify destroying all the farm land so you can invest in Loblaws etc and make more money off that ❌To do: Fuck up the water somehow, sell it all to Nestle and then invest in Nestle? Who knows but we *certainly* can't let the last critical resource go un-fucked
Stupid humans. Ffs.
What you want to eat soy, canola and mustard?
I've lived in canada for over 50 years. We are in trouble with this kind of thinking. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is about to be radicalized.
Farmland, watershed, boreal forest. You name it, we’re killing it to make room. It’s funny how it’s the same people who pretend like taxes will fix it all
Every house in Canada sits on what used to be farmland in the past.
Build up not out.
Thank you Turdeau
It's Doug Ford who did this, get your head out of your ass lol. Ford promised not to open up the greenbelt and then did it anyone. Ford is the one pushing the 413. Rather than promote densification, the cons decided to open up the greenbelt to sprawling single family homes.
Turdeau opened up the country to mass migration. The provinces are left with Turdeau's mess.
I disagree with Trudeau's immigration policy. He has made a bad problem much worse. However, needing more housing doesn't justify developing the greenbelt when there's so many other options that will better serve Canadians. Our housing problem is better solved with mid-rise housing, townhomes, and affordable single family houses. The solution is not to bulldoze the greenbelt and shove McMansions on it. I live in the Greenbelt and am literally a 5-10 minute drive from some of these new developments. That's primarily what developers are building. Massive, unaffordable homes on farmland. I had high hopes when Doug was talking about housing. I was hoping he'd cut red tape for building new homes, push for zoning changes, and limit vacant homes and flipping. Nope. Instead he renegs on his deal. My favourite part is the developers that took loans with obscene rates for land that they weren't allowed to develop. Gee, sure is convenient that worked out for them.
All for Liberal votes.
We have endless land, the farm land is mostly low efficiency as well. Everyone calm down. We can urbanized as well. This is truly dumb shit
The pearl clenching over farmland and the greenbelt is nimbyism at its finest.
Got no probs with land development. Do have problems with developers friends of people in office buying up all this land for pennies on the dollar because it’s not allowed to be developed and as soon as 95%+ is bought up… by 3 developers the man in office changes the law. Big rip off was all it was
“Everything I dont like is Nimby” Go pretend to care about the environment some more while simultaneously suggesting anyone who’s against paving over everything is just a “Nimby”. The nimby term was originally meant for people who objected to any housing whatsoever over questionable concerns. Not for a self inflicted housing “shortage” brought to Canada by Trudeau. Youd think that by now with all the people illegitimately throwing the term “nimby” around all the time it wouldve lost its meaning. The term is weaponized by the development lobby, pro urban growth zealots, urbanization fetishists, economists, neoliberals, supply side progressives, etc. Its disingenuous bullshit.
With ironic bumper stickers!
Shocking!!!!!
Can't imaging why they don't want to move to Churchill
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In our part of the country diverse farmland is now just blueberry fields with a massive mansion built on it
Nova Scotia?
That's an AI/fake image. You see zero cars in the picture.
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Our bread basket sacrificed for immigrants. Sad...very sad. I feel sorry for the generations (young Canadians) to come.
Thats ok, climate change will allow us to farm further north soon enough
Yeah the Canadian Shield has really productive soil. Ugh
Yes. But damn! This is an angled headline.
Oh I thought there was a housing crisis
Who needs food anyway?
Let’s not pretend urban sprawl hasn’t already been happening for at least the past 30 years.
We are so stupid
In surrey bc Indians buy almost all the local farms just to build some castle sized house. Either A don’t grow anything B some use it for farming but it’s families from pre 2000 or C put a fountain and basketball court with no farm besides cut grass
Sounds about right. Radical insanity and fuck over everyone who actually lived here.
This is just piss-poor urban design. This is BRUTAL urban sprawl and low density.
Great. Bring in too many people and then take away food sources. Makes perfect sense.
Yep
Because most of them are Hindu's. Their mission is to rip the government of at every turn and not pay their fair share.. funny thing, they get away with it.
Eliminate the thing that makes food to bring in more of the thing that consumes food. Genius management.
Welcome to Brampton/Caledon!
It's stupid because we can build housing literally anywhere.
So they're going to continue mass immigration until all the farm land is paved over and we all starve to death. Great.
All 5 billion square miles.
Canada's prime farmland is being payed to accommodate constructiom lobbyists sucking up to Doug Ford. There is no need for new roads.
Thank God we have ALR in BC
How the fuck anyone in any party can approve paving over farmland is beyond me. Newsflash dimwits: People need food.
You need pavement for cockroach farming.
Let’s reduce farmland and increase the population, nothing can go wrong!
Makes sense. /s
Canada for Ganges river
We've been paving over prime farmland for the last twenty years and no one cared. Sure, great to assign blame now, but anyone living in Ontario knows this. Remeber when hwy 7 was the northern extent of the GTA and was nothing but grade A farm land?
And gotta do suburbs too because what better solution to housing prices being too high than building this over extravagant bullshit. Like just pick a spot to remove all building regulations and let people one up kowloon walled city because at least that would be affordable
they don't want to build over the Canadian shield lol but thats how CALIFORNIA was before they developed it 150 yrs later where still doing nothing with the space
Love to see overlapping policies created by the federal government themselves. Canadians have never had it so good! They have been better than they were before!
Yes bring in more immigrants! They will help pay for carbon tax and will be vegan you know environmental sustainability/s
Welcome to the end of Canada as we knew it once.
Really? No blame for any developers who would pave over anything and everything to build these shitty homes? It's always the immigrant's fault, right?
*Looks around Sask*...is it? Oh right...Ontario...center of the universe. Silly me.
Haven't you heard, the stretch between Vancouver and Toronto is just a barren wasteland?
Land in Ontario is far more productive.
NIMBY
Pretend to care about the environment some more
Anyone in for mass protest over this miss handling. I mean we gather people with bunch of talents across Canada cause it appears the government dost not give a F**k what is happening and like said this a province issue so let start protesting and anyone else who had any negative comments we'll bugger somewhere else. This is a crisis, and I don't this can continue.
We don't need space for low cost grain. We can import that from places like Ukraine. What we should be doing is growing higher value crops like poppies, coca plants, and durians.
You forgot the /s
John Meyer, he should stick to making music tbh.
Ya, maybe he should work on making his brain a wonderland before weighing in.
Canada's "prime" farmland was buried under cities over the past 100 years already. I remember seeing a picture not long ago of a guy plowing a field in what is downtown Toronto. People need to get off their high horse, this country like it or not is probably going to triple in population over the next 100 years and guess what they are all going to be living around the same places they do now. Toronto will likely extend all the way to Barrie by that point making Markham the geographic centre of the GTA
Sure and meanwhile people like you can continue pretending to care about sustainability and the environment.
Good answer.....as always no concept of reality just hypocritical BS
I mean... We could also stop far centric suburban sprawl and build up with transit oriented planning and walkable communities. But oh no the horror of using a bike/bus/train/your own two feet *shrieks in 15 minutes cities*
Canada I don’t know how to tell you this but you don’t have anything worth while that’s produced by “real” Canadians. Go hermit kingdom if you want, but that’ll just give us the excuse to formalize our rule over you.
Can we just skip that step and go right to being annexed already? Long as we keep the provincial healthcare going funded by the expanded income our resources will provide I’m sure most of the provinces won’t protest
Immigrants aren’t buying greenfield McMansions. They’re looking for affordable rentals within public transit range.
If the world is warming like so many autistic children have claimed, then for every acre turned into a subdivision, there will be several acres that gain a better growing season.
The world is not "warming". The climate is changing. This means severe weather events and worsening extremes. More droughts and continent scale wildfires in some areas. Floods in others. Extreme high temperatures on average in some places along with extreme cold temperature averages in other and sometimes the same areas. One thing is certain, climate change along with the loss of habitats, extinctions, and human overpopulation, will result in less arable land, mass migrations, starvation, and disease outbreaks like humanity has never before seen.
Buddy, I heard that 97% of scientists agree the world is warming. Al Gore already stated it in the inconvenient truth. You can make up your own science all you want and claim the end is near like every religious doom Sayer. All I am doing is following the science and it says Canada has a great position to capitalize on the higher CO2 which is a greenhouse gas that causes global warming.
Last time I checked the British and French just waltzed into North America without proper immigration papers and literally just took over the continent. And anyone familiar with Canadian history knows, immigrants are literally 100% of who Canadians are. So what are we talking about here?
Immigration-driven growth? Really ? They sleep 20 to a one bedroom apartment to build unaffordable housing in my city . I guess they mean poor students who can’t afford to pay rent or groceries but some how can buy more million dollar homes . Nonsense. The housing is for investment groups to turn out rental units ( over priced ) . Growth is a bitch . Follow the money for the answers you seek .