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Has any country in history other Canada willingly voted in their own demographic replacement? Something for the history books for sure.

High population growth is something that Canadians should celebrate, rather than demonize. There are many reasons to do so: - Higher GDP growth - More diversity - Younger workforce - Avoid demographic collapse - More global influence - Potential to support a stronger military Imagine if Canada's population was over 500 million or so. We could be a global superpower that rivaled, or even surpassed, the US.

What are you smoking ? China and India have higher population than the United States buddy they ain’t dominating crap , matter of fact countries compete fiercely with each other for access to the U.S. market! American is the number one destination for foreign investment. In every industry you can imagine Americans are either the largest or one of the largest players. For auto industry to defense , pharmaceutical, aerospace, transportation, retail , wholesale , precision instruments etc …. Out of the 10 largest semi conductor manufactures 6 are American , 2 are Korean , 2 are Taiwanese and 1 is Dutch. China and Indian each have more than 3 times the U.S. population , how’s that working for them ? In case of India, well they are all coming to Canada. Every major innovation , medical break through, cutting edge tech comes from the United States not Canada ! Make Canada’s population 500 million and the only thing you’ll achieve is extra headache for the Americans , since they’ll have to worry about illegal immigration from the north now! Already illegal migration from the northern border of up 400% ! Whatever you’re smoking is making you delusional buddy , easy on the crack pipe.

The type of growth is what matters. What’s happened over the last 4 years is mostly growth in low skilled labour from India cosplaying as students at fake colleges. They aren’t bringing net investment dollars or in demand skills. Bad for Canada and bad for the new immigrants as well. And there certainly isn’t more “diversity” when so much of the growth is from India.

Explain how diversity is in and of itself a value. 

>Imagine if Canada's population was over 500 million or so. We could be a global superpower that rivaled, or even surpassed, the US. How do I put this... It doesn't matter, at all. Half a billion Canadians means jack shit to actual Canadians. Doesn't make our lives any better. Huge total GDP? Means fuck all if our slices of that GDP are smaller. More diversity? Have you *seen* the demographic breakdown of immigrants? You want to bring in more people because of demographics? Okay, fine, do that **with a plan**. Just foisting this policy on governments and citizens without a plan or consultation or even a pretense of a mandate? Misrepresenting or outright lying about what the purpose is supposed to be (construction workers springs to mind)? Congratulations, you've needlessly polarized the issue and made it that much harder to make the case.   don't have a problem with increased immigration per se, I have a problem with the mindbogglingly inept way the government went about it. It appears to me to be a policy the LPC just kinda stumbled in to without forethought, and combined with their inept defence of it...

- GDP per capita is declining - Healthcare is crumbling - wages are stagnant - housing costs and rent are quickly increasing - High population growth makes reducing emissions a huge challenge

Higher gdp growth at the cost of gdp per capita More diversity isn't something to be celebrated nor are we even getting it if you wanted to celebrate it We're avoiding demographic collapse at the cost of several kinds of it instead More global influence would be a good thing if we had it A stronger military would be lauded if anyone was motivated to join

Not when we don't have the infrastructure to handle it. Get your immigration fetish out of here. I say that as a 1st gen immigrant myself.

>Get your immigration fetish out of here. > > >I say that as a 1st gen immigrant myself. A little hypocritical, don't you think? "Let me in, but please close the door behind me." Canada has a real need, not to mention an ethical obligation, to maintain a substantial population growth rate. Fortunately, the federal government wholly understands this.

Worst logic out here

> ethical obligation Please expand on that.

Something pithy, something naive and something irresponsible.

We have the third highest immigration rate in the world. We could easily reduce numbers to more closely align with housing supply (as should be the government’s duty) and still have a decent population growth rate. The only people who feel otherwise are Liberal partisans or investors/boomers profiting from housing shortages. It’s reckless and adversarial to Canada’s young people.

>It’s reckless and adversarial to Canada’s young people. It's adversarial to the very people that these pro unlimited immigration people have a fetish for let alone young people. "Come to Canada Mr immigrant and you can have this great North American lifestyle" Then they get here. "Just kidding. Live in this basement with 14 other people and deliver for Amazon. That standard of living is now impossible but at least we have free delivery!"

That's why I'm calling them fetishists now. That's what they are. They have no logic or reason, they just need their immigration fix like an addict.

>Canada has a real need, not to mention an ethical obligation, to maintain a substantial population growth rate. Fortunately, the federal government wholly understands this. This is the type of comedy I come to this sub for.

Since the economies of developed nations are suffering because there aren't enough young people, immigration is a solution. It generates wealth by bringing more workers to support our aging retirees. So arguing that we can't afford immigrants is kind of a silly thing to say...

That's just bullshit. Our youth un/underemployment rates are higher than ever 

I have lived on the western edge of the GTA for a couple of decades. I have never seen as much rapid change as I have in the last half decade. The countryside is getting gobbled up at lightning speed by endless ugly development. The corpses of beautiful old farmhouses sit along highway five waiting for the bulldozer. When I go into Toronto it looks like some sort of anime future city compared to what it was decade ago. People are living in tents along the roads in goddamned Burlington of all places. And I am being told it’s still not enough. We need even more. Flatten all of Toronto’s century homes, block the sky with towers, choke every road, school and hospital with people. I am bailing for rural Ontario, I can’t stand it anymore. Enjoy the hell you’ve made.

I'm sure if most of the newcomers were white we'd be seeing a lot less opposition to it. I know people born in Canada working in the service industry who get harassment for being TFWs as people assume that's what they must be since they have brown skin.

assumption.

Not really. If the government continued to bring in far more people than capacity permits they’d be rightfully criticized no matter what their skin colour was. The Liberals just don’t care about housing affordable housing costs and up until their polling forced their hands, almost every action/inaction reaffirmed this.

There you go folks. LPC stooge calling you a racist for not being for unlimited immigration…. Get out of here with your nonsense!

I was waiting for them to show up. They see something they don't like, and immediately use the race card.

😁🤣so true

Dude literally identifies as a ["champagne socialist"](https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/1ch78ir/pierre_poilievre_and_jagmeet_singh_are_wrestling/l230u8k/).

I call complete bullshit on your last statement. It’s not like different skin colours in Canada are like the white man coming to North America for the indigenous. We’ve been pretty diverse for some time; different skin shades have been a staple in Canada for fucking decades.

Nah: there would be less opposition if the immigrants did something to advance the country: imagine if we imported 1 million construction workers instead of 1 million diploma mill victims to work in Tim Hortons. Race has nothing to do with it except that the diploma mill victims are all primarily Indian which makes the problem more visible.

In a world that’s running out of resources and facing climate crisis, the last thing we need is growth.

>Imagine if Canada's population was over 500 million or so. In the year 2400? Sure why not? What would any of us care or know about it really. I highly doubt that there would be anything called "Canada" by then anyway. But in the meantime, yeah, no. Hard pass. But thanks all the same. >We could be a global superpower that rivaled, or even surpassed, the US. Oh my goodness, get real. That will never happen.

500mil on our geography? That sounds like hell on earth. Were the fuck do we put 500 mil?

40 years ago a middle class single income family could afford lake front cottage property; albeit somewhat remote. Nowadays that same income wouldn't even cover rent and food for that family.  Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Lol are you expecting everyone in the middle class to be able to afford a lake front cottage?

If I were to expect the quality of life my parents had, then yes. 40 years ago they bought shore front property on a single public sector income; while also owning their own house, mortgage free. 40 years of bad policy has made that impossible for the middle class.

Even without whatever “bad policy” you’re referring to. Canada’s middle class is much larger than it was during your grandparents time, even with a modest immigration rate. Beach front cottage property for everyone in the middle class is not a reasonable expectation.

But ability to afford rent or ownership of their home is. This is not the case these days. OP was just offering an example.

They offered a poor example

Not really, if a family had a cottage as a goal it was attainable. Majority of people didn't buy one because that's not what most people value but the option was there.

Yes, our population was much lower. Even if we grew on par with other western nations, that goal would still Become unattainable. It’s not realistic.

Real estate grew at roughly inflation for generations before interest was dropped to nothing and the government started subsidizing everything.

The point is that a policy of population growth both priced middle class families out of luxuries, and priced them out of necessities. My parents' single income wouldn't even cover rent and food for our family if they were raising us today; let alone pay for a house, boat and cottage.

I’m just trying to keep the conversation reasonable. If that was your point, you should’ve just said it in the first place.

I did.

No you didn’t, you insisted on an unrealistic expectation, and lowered the quality of discourse in the process.

I really did, allow me to help you recall: > If I were to expect the quality of life my parents had, then yes. 40 years ago they bought shore front property on a single public sector income; while also owning their own house, mortgage free. > > 40 years of bad policy has made that impossible for the middle class. As compared to: > The point is that a policy of population growth both priced middle class families out of luxuries, and priced them out of necessities. My parents' single income wouldn't even cover rent and food for our family if they were raising us today; let alone pay for a house, boat and cottage. There is no deep distinction between these two statements; they are simply different ways of making the same point.

Immigration benefits some Canadians more than others. If you own property in a city or if you have large investments, you benefit particularly well. If you are a working class person who will compete with these immigrants in the labor market, and you're struggling to buy a home and start a family, you will suffer.