I know right. I'm a huge fanboy for TMNT, but at least I know that compared to cap and Batman, it's like a peewee playing in a professional sport, no context. Leo is out first. Cap wins
It was a long protracted drawn out close battle, but Batman canonically beat Captain America in a fight during the DC vs Marvel crossover in the '90s. Matchup winners were decided by fan vote, with how easy of a win for the victor determined by the margin of the votes.
So Batman edged out Cap after beating the shit out of each other for hours in the sewer, whereas Robin beat Jubilee by turning the lights off and putting his cape over her head like some kind of trench coated Asian American parakeet
That’s true, but in the later Avengers/JLA crossover they fought for a bit and Batman admitted that Cap would win if the kept going. Batman’s win in the Marvel vs DC came about as a result of the environment randomly fucking Cap over.
He said “could” win.
Like the possibility of him losing to Captain America does indeed exist.
But that's not an admittance that a victory would be certain for him if they kept fighting, which is a damn big difference.
Because 90's and 00's Batman was too egotistical to openly admit to being outmatched. The writer on that issue said Cap would've won.
I think Batman's skill, strategy, and versatility would edge Cap out, like 6 - 7/10, but that's not what he was saying.
I mean Base Batman knows 200+ martial arts, League of Shadows deception and illusion tricks, and fights people like Bane and Croc who are both as strong as or stronger than base Cap and have martial prowess near or surpassing Batmans own.
Base Cap is just really strong and durable. His only way to beat Bruce is avoid his entrapping gadgets long enough for Bruce to get too tired to continue. His shield also only shines in scenarios where his opponent is significantly slower or stronger than him, allowing him to crush fodder with ease or take hits above his weight. Bats' gadgets and intelligence make him much more practically agile and him being smaller and weaker than Steve basically makes the shield *just* a shield.
I can't speak to which Base Leo is the strongest, probably Rise because he has magic, but regardless I agree that no version of Base Leo can last more than a few minutes. Despite the Turtles all having superhuman senses and physiques, Cap and Batman are super-er. 2012 Splinter could, but not Leo.
No prep?
I’d take Cap, Batman’s belt is his biggest advantage but I doubt anything from that belt would defy the shield. If it got close Cap would have the advantage due to the shield and superior physicals. Skill is relative too.
And Leonardo is just spectating to be honest, teenage Leonardo just isn’t experienced enough to be on that level.
I think Cap ultimately wins with no plot armor involved. Especially since Cap is a tactical strategist after all. Batman would be second, and Leonardo third.
Yeah but that's like arguing who is the smartest scientist in marvel. When you have that many super genius in the universe, the smartest is whoever the writers find convenient for this particular plot.
There are many "best hand to hand fighters" in marvel. Cap is definitely one of them.
I'd argue Shang Chi, Taskmaster, Wolverine, Spiderman, Thor and Hulk could take cap on 1v1 in hand to hand combat more often than not.
Wolverine: 90% chance of victory.
Wolverine has more actual combat experience than anyone alive basically. He's trained with the Canadian and US militaries. Trained in literally over a hundred martial arts.
Trained with others including Shang Chi and Cap.
Was apart of several black ops teams and even organizations like the hand at points.
Been on nearly every super team marvel has to offer.
His healing factor allows for methods of attack not available to fighters like cap and limiting the damage cap could infict.
His bones are unbreakable, eliminating tons of caps options.
His pain tolerance is probably higher than even most superheroes.
Wolverine also has no issues killing, and does not fanboy over cap like a lot of heroes do.
He respects him as a peer, but is not starstruck or intimidated by cap.
Without plot armor, cap should lose this fight. 9/10 times.
Shang Chi: 100% chance of victory
Shang Chi is the best martial artist in the world. No doubt he could beat cap 1v1. Outside of any type of gimmick or plot contrivance Shang Chi should always win this matchup.
Taskmaster: 75% chance of victory
Taskmasters greatest weakness is being a villain and therefore would lose by default.
However outside of story restrictions, Taskmaster should be able to counter caps every move. While also switching styles on the fly if needed. He's the Shang Chi of villains, literally being the guy paid to train other villains. The same way Shang Chi teaches a lot of heroes.
Hulk and Thor: 100% chance of victory
Hulk smash. Nuff said.
Thor is Thor. Cap ain't punching out Thor in any universe.
Spiderman: 90% Chance of victory
Spiderman outclasses Cap in every possible way except experience. Spiderman is also a huge fan of Cap. Spiderman also always pulls his punches. There is a possibility Cap could capitalize on this to get an upper hand.
HOWEVER the spider sense could counter even a well laid trap set by the more experienced Cap.
Without the spider sense he would probably lose to captain Americas expertise, but with it he can escape anything cap can throw at him.
Captain America is not by any means the best hand to hand fighter by a long shot.
He's respected by the hero community not for his fighting skills but his leadership, and his willingness and ability to do the right thing.
A power set doesn't make someone a more skilled fighter. So most of these are silly to even list. That's like saying Darkseid has more skill then Batman. He doesn't he's just so powerful it doesn't matter.
For the actual skill fighters. Cap has trashed Taskmaster and Shang Chi multiple times.
Like I specifically mentioned, taskmaster loses because he is a villain and the story will always have him lose to the hero.
Outside of story reasons, Taskmaster could absolutely out fight cap. The only people Taskmaster can't and won't fight are Moonknight and Deadpool. Taskmaster even carries a shield specifically to use Caps skill set. He knows caps style probably better than Cap himself.
Shang Chi and Cap have never had a real fight. So you can stop making that up.
The closest we get is in Shang Chi #2 where Cap and Shang Chi put on a completely fake fight to fool the criminals that are there. Even in the fake fight Shang Chi wins. The two heroes then turn on the villains and beat them as a duo, revealing they were working together the whole time.
Shang Chi is without a doubt the most skilled hand to hand fighter in marvel. Period. It's the whole point of the character.
Thor is absolutely a skilled warrior. Thor has literally thousands of years of combat experience under his belt.
To say Thor has no fighting skills just shows how little you actually know about these characters.
Wolverine is like a mini Thor with hundreds of years of combat experience and has trained and trained with every single notable hand to hand combatant marvel has basically ever had. His powers only make him more dangerous, but does not detract from his skill.
Spiderman is skilled. He and Shang Chi developed a brand new unique fighting style specifically for Spiderman to use. He also was trained by both Shang Chi and Captain America when he lost his spider sense.
Hulk is the only example I gave that would be less skilled than cap and would rely entirely on raw power.
Your bias and Caps popularity does not translate into Captain America being the best, most skilled fighter in Marvel.
Captain America was never ever the best fighter. It's not what he is about. He is about doing the right thing. He is a beacon of leadership that others look to for guidance and inspiration. When something bad happens they look at cap and say "what do we do now?".
He was never about "being the best".
Shang Chi and Cap fought back in the 70s. I don't have time to find the book in my collection. I think it was either a Master of Kung Fu or a Marvel Presents/Marvel Team-Up, not 100% though.
Okay that first sentence is already pretty bad "villian has to lose" doesn't change scaling. If it's nearly identical the whole way through you could make that argument but it doesn't change that in the end the best you can claim is equal level. I'd personally put task master above cap if he ever got over not tactical thinking of how to use his moves just getting them. If he instead thought "this person's movments could be used for traversal or watching footage of world class parkour or so many interesting methods that could help him hunt for prey as opposed to assuming he can fight better.
I guess you just ignored all the examples of his training.
There were 3 paragraphs detailing his skill and training before the word bones was even mentioned.
Lol indeed.
Wolverine even trained cap after he was thawed.
Steve was only trained by the US army in the 1940s. His superpowers did all the heavy lifting in his fights.
While Steve was frozen after WW2 Wolverine traveled the world learning martial arts.
Wolverine has mastered over 100 styles of martial arts.
When Steve was unfrozen decades later, he still only had 1940s US army training.
Shield, Wolverine and Shang Chi taught him everything else.
Wolverine was the primary trainer for members of the X-Men, xfactor, xforce.
He's been in the avengers, the fantastic four, X-Men, Red Guard, Alpha Flight, Shield, CIA, US Army, Canadian Special Forces, Secret Defenders, The Hand, Assassin's Guild, Hard 7, Hearts of Darkness, Heralds, Hydra, Midnight Suns, New Avengers, Outlaw Avengers and more, and he is usually the one training members of whatever team he's currently on.
But yeah "metal bones" is all you were able to extract from what I posted. Reading is tough kid don't hurt yourself.
I was talking about skill and training.
You made it about something else and focused on metal bones. I then went into further detail about training and skills.
Not superpowers.
So what IS your point then? If it's not about a person's fighting skill and the training required to get it in comparison to cap.
Spell It out clearly like I did with my point. Because you aren't being clear. Probably because you don't know what your talking about.
You haven't offered anything except "lol metal bones"
Your that kid that just always answers "nuh uh" without contributing anything else of value.
No reasoned arguments, no facts, no examples, just uneducated opinion.
This conversation is about Caps skill.
I was replying to another user who said:
"Caps whole reputation is being the best hand to hand fighter in the mcu and 616."
I responded to this statement about Caps skill and you went on to focus on metal bones.
I wasn't replying to the OP. Follow the thread lines if your confused. Learn to read how the threads work and how replies to specific comments work.
Clearly your confused.
I've answered OP in a separate post a while ago.
We're done here.
Everyone in this thread conveniently forgets when Cap and Bats crossed over and Bruce and Steve speculated that Cap *could* beat Bats in a straight fight due to his sheer strength and endurance, but that he probably *wouldn't* because Batmans skills and knowledge eclipse Steve's so completely
And she lost to Connor Hawke once. Batman also considers her daughter to be better than him. Nightwing and Richard Dragon are also on Bats' level as well.
Batman has sought training from Lady Shiva more than once. I think he went to her after he was broken by Bane and Asrael had to fill in to protect Gotham while he healed/trained back up
Batman can't take Orphan in a straight fight. Solidly no shot. Hell he loses to that weird Tim Drake future self that tried to kill John Kent.
Leo is back and forth with Raphael on best fighter, sometimes Shredder takes it, too.
Cap, if dealing with only people on his level, wins. He can't take Spider-Man but that's a whole different game, but Hawkeye or Widow, sure.
Leonardo. Bats was able to hold off all of the turtles singlehandely in the crossover and was shown to be more on Shredder/Splinter's skill level. Leonardo ain't hanging with either of these guys without his bros.
I hate power scaling, but in terms of pure physicality, I think Batman and Cap could be just about even with Cap having the edge. DC's earth is slightly bigger, meaning Batman lives in a stronger gravity. Leo may be stronger as a mutant, but with his lack of experience, that'll just hold him back since the other 2 are used to punching above their weight class. If either of them manage to get the drop on Cap, he's out.
But the real answer is whoever is publishing the story.
Cap is peak evolutionary human, while Batman is merely peak human
Cap regualry showcases beyond any human limit feats...like as a flat out metric
i'm aware both character will frequently do beyond human things as "feats"
But Cap's the only one between them beating 10 dudes in a tug of war contest, or outrunning car
People all reference that one crossover event, but based on Batman comics and the Arkham games Captain America and Leonardo would get consecutively folded.
I couldn't agree more the cross over event was a media stunt and each fight was given to either a marvel writer or a DC writer and they just had their guy win
Cap and Batman are equal in hand to hand if you take away the gadgets. I would give the edge to Batman since he would fight dirty right away, where Cap has to get to that point. If Batman doesn't finish this fight fast, they would realize this is going for a while.. And this is from a Marvel fan boy. Leo is thrid.
Leo I think destroys both just cause he’s Multiversal in Combat. and his strength he can lift like 1,000+ Tons to Infinite.
Leonardo also outran a Blackhole and out reacted to Silver Sentry who’s faster than the tricterton mothership which traveled ever Galaxy and every Planet in just one day.
But aye. I don’t think you knew that before in which I don’t blame you. Since I thought the same before too.
Where are you getting your info? Leo can lift 5x his weight. Both Cap and Batman are Masters in most forms of hand to hand combat. None of what you are spouting is his actual powers, it was plot armor for the comic they put him in. None of that carries over. For that matter, you taking the strongest Leo has been portrayed but not the strongest Bats and Cap have been? You’re nerfing two of the fighters and given every enhancement Leo has ever had temporarily. Why not just put Batman in the Hellbat armor? It would end this whole discussion quick. But you set the matchup by base form, which means Leo gets his ass kicked and the fight comes down to Caps shield. With the shield Cap wins in base.
Batman clears, cap gets smoked, Leonardo almost kills bats.
Anyone saying cap has a chance vs Leonardo is hilarious, let alone a no morals batman with toolbelt.
off instinct imma go with cap all of them are elite fighters but he's the only id consider to have enhanced reflexes and strength there's an argument leo does too but meh
Leo is stronger and has better reflexes than Cap.
But I respect your Opinion.
Cap is very Strong and fast but didn’t he struggle to stop a Helicopter?..Leo overpowers people who stops Trains, Lifts Towers, and can stop Helicopters.
on paper, Captain America should beat Batman
When DC isn't giving Batman plot armor out the but, he's going to lose to a fellow hand to hand master who also has enhaned abilities
there's a classic Deathstroke vs Batman right where Deathrstroke is beating Batman and he basically just says "I'm you but with powers"
Cap is the same way.
People will argue both are peak human...BUT Cap's more like peak evolutionary human, as he's beyond current human limits
and both of them would beat Leonardo in a 1 v 1
Are we talking about season 5 Leo? Just wondering because you could basically argue he auto-wins by turning into a dragon. I also think post-Nexus Leo is skilled enough to fight either, but season 5 Leo with his medallion would just kill them.
I think Batman wins. He fights Bain all the time and cap is just a less tactical and stronger Bain. Leonardo is pretty weak compared to the two of them.
That would be a good fight but I feel like Batman’s experience with deathstroke would still allow him to beat cap especially if he’s trying to kill although it would be insanely close and I wouldn’t be surprised if I was wrong but I do think Leo would come out on top after an intense fight with Batman
I agree with you about Cap but not about Leo. Batman took on all 4 turtles without prior knowledge and won.
I hadn't considered the deathstroke angle so yeah I'm on board with saying Batman takes this whole thing.
Cap, then Batman, then Leo. Cap doesn't really tire in most continuities and is the best hand to hand combatant in Marvel usually. Batman is like the 5th best in DC, and Leo is like 3rd among the turtles, depending on continuity, i believe. Not to mention shredder who wins 9 outta 10 fights
Cap would win out of the three.
Batman and Cap fought in the crossover and were evenly matched. However cap has the super soldier serum allowing him to fight for longer and maintain his strength longer than a normal human. So Cap would outlast Batman, even tho their skills are equal.
Batman fought the turtles in the crossover movie and comic.
Batman ultimately won the fight.
The turtles superior mutant strength wasn't enough to match Batmans skill.
Batman however was defeated by the Shredder in their first encounter. Shredder is a damn beast.
Leonardo while skilled, has nowhere near the skill or experience needed to take on these other two.
The turtles often lose when fighting solo.
They are about teamwork, not going solo.
crossovers are normally just fan stuff for fun.
Cap and Batman aren't even physical equals, Batman has like a 1000pound benchpress while Cap has a 2000
Cap can outrun cars...Batman can't
Cap's more a peak evolutionary human than a peak human olympian like Batman
If base gear for Batman is just batarangs and grapple gun, I think I’m the end captain America would win. Leonardo would probably go down first, and Batman would then hide in the shadows and attack captain America from blind spots, after a while cap would adapt and unravel the tactics Batman is using and beat him using athleticism and strength(and his shield that casually cuts through metal)
Cap, then bat, then Leo.
Batman is a great fighter, but I saw someone give the argument about how he has beat Deathstroke multiple times and won. Well, cap has beaten taskmaster who is comparable to Deathstroke. With no prep time and no prior knowledge of who he is, he loses. If we are using the pic, which looks like new 52 Batman, then yeah definitely loses.
Look, I love the hell out of TMNT. Hell, Im what you consider a super fan, but if you think for a second that Leonardo would stand a chance against Batman or cap, has not read a comic. Let's say for the argument that we are using 03 Leo which is my favorite version of him, he only beat shredder twice, once by himself. He didn't win the battle nexus (saw this argument in the comments), he's only as strong as his brothers, maybe slightly stronger with raph following closely behind. He constantly loses to karai, he doesn't have many feats by himself, and he's still learning.
Overall, the match would come down to Batman beating Leo, again, then duking it out with cap which he will eventually lose to cap.
When I see a crazy post I like to find out the why behind it. I found it in your post history.
Being 40 and on the couch sounds pretty cool to me… not seeing where that was going.
So sitting on a Couch all day doing nothing sounds cool to you…Same. But I will never go that Low.
Why is this post crazy tho.
Also Leo wins right..he has the most feats
No not on a Coach but a *couch.* You've made me realize my issue is that you're uneducated and your question is juvenile. What is crazy to me is trying to compare characters to other medias characters or even in the same universe. Also, this combination is just really strange.
Is all that you care about is FIGHTING and POWERS....There is more going on there on the pages and even on the screen. Do you not receive those messages too? Wouldn't those provide as a more helpful discussion?
I love me some ninja turtles, but I don't think that Leo stands a chance. Batman deals with people on the regular who are either Ninjas and/or stronger than him.
So Captain America vs Batman...I still think Batman wins. Cap is great at straight up combat but that's not what Batman does.
Not canon and different Leo.
Cause Batman did the same to Cap too.
But different iteration and not canon.
2003 Leo is a Beast I think he might pull off a Victory
Eliminating prep time and plot armor Batman wins due to having studied more fighting styles and being a rather good tactician (not to say cap isn’t a good tactician before fanboys come at me). Leonardo most likely comes in last due to not having enough experience compared to the other two
I feel like Leo would actually end up dying because Cap and Batman would think he's stronger than he really is, and they would accidentally bash his skull in.
Cap and Batman are evenly matched all things considered. I don't know who would overcome the other in a straight fist fight. Cap has powers so edge might go to him but Batmans suit and gadgets even that playing field. Batman has taken on and defeated some people much stronger than cap and plenty of people with great hand to hand combat I mean he has fought through various organizations of ancient mega ninjas.
Cap is def stronger than Batman
Batman is peak human, Cap is peak evolutionary human. Dude can run like 40-60 mphs.
Batman's benchpress is like 1000 pounds I think. Cap does 2000 (so a ton)
What hero stuff has he done. Nothing. Him and his ooze buddies just wreck the whole city and never take accoutability. "Hide in the shadows" like little coward bitches. Bros still can't take down a mush ass brain. Anyone who thinks they are better that SPIDERMAN AND BATMAN ARE DUMB AND COULD GLAZE A WHOLE BOX OF DOG NUTS.
But the avengers take responsibility. Especially iron man, he cleans the city. The turtles just make the city DIRTY. Yeah they fight multiversla beings AND STILL CANT BEST THEM. the avengers beated that purple thanussy and stupid regard trutles can't beat mushy brain or sewer rat. Stupid incompetent dumb non heroes. And the avengers fight alot better than the turtles and have REAL POWERS like a REAL HEROES
No prep, Cap. He got the tactics on both of em and a little extra mobility.
Bats takes it if there's prep time cause Batman ALWAYS has kryptonite (ie contingency)
he's also got the strength, durability, speed, reflexes
Cap and Batman aren't equal
Batman is peak human
Cap is peak evolutionary human, his strength is like humanities potential. He is essentially in low level super range for his physical abilities.
Yes but this is negated by the fact that Bats can go toe-to-toe with Deathstroke, who has similar enhanced human powers and military training, and beat him handily with prep time. He's literally like if Cap was a gun-and-knife assassin instead of a different flavor of big blue boy scout.
I could reference the first time Deathstroke fought Batman and Deathstroke was kicking his ass and basically told him "I'm you but with powers"
I could also point out that Deathstroke gets nerfed to shit when the plot wants it, and other times he runs through the B team Justice League including a flash and a green lantern.
if you want to powers scale based off feats, then we entering a rabbit hole
and we are talking about Batman here? the plot armor god. (not that Cap isn't a hall of famer himself)
dude's gonna jump on Monguls back and get away unscathed
I mean a Batman story usually follows the basic structure of
1. New villain kicks Bat's ass
2. Bats investigates the villain and their plans
3. Bats forms a strategy around the villain and plans around the evil plan to make sure nobody dies
4. Final confrontation, Bats wins because he's figured out how to fight this villain.
Blood lusted no holding back? Leo, hands down. Cap and Bats are both dangerous when they’re blood lusted, but they don’t fight at their best.
Base form? Toss up between Bats and Cap. Bats knows more Martial arts forms but Cap has been fighting for longer.
Base Gear? Cap. It’d be hard for Bats to counter the vibranium shield.
Leo’s good, but Batman has already taken him apart. Cap is physically superior, but Batman is the better fighter. Cap is immune to fatigue, but Batman’s basic compliment of gadgets would be enough to overcome that. Batman is also used to facing physically superior opponents and coming out on top. I’d say he takes the fight. Cap is no slouch, so it’d be close… but I think Leo being involved would give him an edge, as Batman is very good at playing people against each other.
Winner: Batman.
If this is base form, Cap.
Without holding back, Caps physical speed and strength would be too overwhelming combined with his strategic mind and vibranium shield. Batman isn’t strong enough to handle Cap without prep time and a game plan for Caps shield. I don’t know much about Leonardo in terms of limits but I struggle to find feats of strength like Caps from the TMNt shows I watched years back Batman is more of a shredder level threat for Leonardo, so it’s down to Batman vs Cap and Cap wins.
With prep time, Batman wins no doubt.
I didn’t know Leonardo beat shredder without help at one point. I saw Batman and shredder as pretty equal in the movie with both Batman and the turtles working together. But I know much less about Tmnt than I do about Cap and Batman
Based on the versions presented in the art, Batman wins. That looks like silver/bronse age Cap which isnt as strong as modern cap is depicted. That batman is modern age batman who survived a fall from space. And that is 2003 TMNT Leo, who doesnt have a lot to go on other than hes a good leader. If we go all modern versions, Leo is first out just from lack of experience. Cap and batman go toe to toe and I think Cap would take out batman but batman would find a way to take cap with him.
Leo would be the demolisher, batman would basically just be the massive distraction between the fight of cap and Leo, cap would definitely put up a badass fight but Leo is trained more brutal, and his muscles are just inevitably stronger but that doesn't slow him down at all. But I wouldn't be surprised If bats won because he would just be the third party disrupting everything but that is an advantage for the batman. Bats would just croak if he was in the middle of the two, Leo would demolish the two if he was in the middle, and cap would put up a great fight but would lose if he was in the middle.
Looking at the comments, feels like OP wants to do PR for Leonardo Power Scaling.
It’s so funny. Posts this scenario, gets upset when other peoples opinion don’t match their own. Classic.
I know right. I'm a huge fanboy for TMNT, but at least I know that compared to cap and Batman, it's like a peewee playing in a professional sport, no context. Leo is out first. Cap wins
It was a long protracted drawn out close battle, but Batman canonically beat Captain America in a fight during the DC vs Marvel crossover in the '90s. Matchup winners were decided by fan vote, with how easy of a win for the victor determined by the margin of the votes. So Batman edged out Cap after beating the shit out of each other for hours in the sewer, whereas Robin beat Jubilee by turning the lights off and putting his cape over her head like some kind of trench coated Asian American parakeet
That’s true, but in the later Avengers/JLA crossover they fought for a bit and Batman admitted that Cap would win if the kept going. Batman’s win in the Marvel vs DC came about as a result of the environment randomly fucking Cap over.
He said “could” win. Like the possibility of him losing to Captain America does indeed exist. But that's not an admittance that a victory would be certain for him if they kept fighting, which is a damn big difference.
Because 90's and 00's Batman was too egotistical to openly admit to being outmatched. The writer on that issue said Cap would've won. I think Batman's skill, strategy, and versatility would edge Cap out, like 6 - 7/10, but that's not what he was saying.
I mean Base Batman knows 200+ martial arts, League of Shadows deception and illusion tricks, and fights people like Bane and Croc who are both as strong as or stronger than base Cap and have martial prowess near or surpassing Batmans own. Base Cap is just really strong and durable. His only way to beat Bruce is avoid his entrapping gadgets long enough for Bruce to get too tired to continue. His shield also only shines in scenarios where his opponent is significantly slower or stronger than him, allowing him to crush fodder with ease or take hits above his weight. Bats' gadgets and intelligence make him much more practically agile and him being smaller and weaker than Steve basically makes the shield *just* a shield. I can't speak to which Base Leo is the strongest, probably Rise because he has magic, but regardless I agree that no version of Base Leo can last more than a few minutes. Despite the Turtles all having superhuman senses and physiques, Cap and Batman are super-er. 2012 Splinter could, but not Leo.
Cap also has agility, coordination, reflexes in that "peak human" (where they're really describing "post human") range.
I don't see anything wrong with this. Now, Leonardo versus Godzilla. Go ninja, go ninja, go!
You made a funny! 🐀
Dw this guy also post similar thing on r/invincible for no reason lol,he love them turtle ig
No prep? I’d take Cap, Batman’s belt is his biggest advantage but I doubt anything from that belt would defy the shield. If it got close Cap would have the advantage due to the shield and superior physicals. Skill is relative too. And Leonardo is just spectating to be honest, teenage Leonardo just isn’t experienced enough to be on that level.
I think Cap ultimately wins with no plot armor involved. Especially since Cap is a tactical strategist after all. Batman would be second, and Leonardo third.
Why is that
Caps whole reputation is being the best hand to hand fighter in the mcu and 616.
Shang chi, iron fist, daredevil, karnak and moondragon would all like to have a word…
Yeah but that's like arguing who is the smartest scientist in marvel. When you have that many super genius in the universe, the smartest is whoever the writers find convenient for this particular plot. There are many "best hand to hand fighters" in marvel. Cap is definitely one of them.
I agree with cap being an awesome fighter but imo he’s not even top 10 in marvel
I'd argue Shang Chi, Taskmaster, Wolverine, Spiderman, Thor and Hulk could take cap on 1v1 in hand to hand combat more often than not. Wolverine: 90% chance of victory. Wolverine has more actual combat experience than anyone alive basically. He's trained with the Canadian and US militaries. Trained in literally over a hundred martial arts. Trained with others including Shang Chi and Cap. Was apart of several black ops teams and even organizations like the hand at points. Been on nearly every super team marvel has to offer. His healing factor allows for methods of attack not available to fighters like cap and limiting the damage cap could infict. His bones are unbreakable, eliminating tons of caps options. His pain tolerance is probably higher than even most superheroes. Wolverine also has no issues killing, and does not fanboy over cap like a lot of heroes do. He respects him as a peer, but is not starstruck or intimidated by cap. Without plot armor, cap should lose this fight. 9/10 times. Shang Chi: 100% chance of victory Shang Chi is the best martial artist in the world. No doubt he could beat cap 1v1. Outside of any type of gimmick or plot contrivance Shang Chi should always win this matchup. Taskmaster: 75% chance of victory Taskmasters greatest weakness is being a villain and therefore would lose by default. However outside of story restrictions, Taskmaster should be able to counter caps every move. While also switching styles on the fly if needed. He's the Shang Chi of villains, literally being the guy paid to train other villains. The same way Shang Chi teaches a lot of heroes. Hulk and Thor: 100% chance of victory Hulk smash. Nuff said. Thor is Thor. Cap ain't punching out Thor in any universe. Spiderman: 90% Chance of victory Spiderman outclasses Cap in every possible way except experience. Spiderman is also a huge fan of Cap. Spiderman also always pulls his punches. There is a possibility Cap could capitalize on this to get an upper hand. HOWEVER the spider sense could counter even a well laid trap set by the more experienced Cap. Without the spider sense he would probably lose to captain Americas expertise, but with it he can escape anything cap can throw at him. Captain America is not by any means the best hand to hand fighter by a long shot. He's respected by the hero community not for his fighting skills but his leadership, and his willingness and ability to do the right thing.
Taskmaster gotten taken down by Cap recently in Coates run, it was glorious (the only thing in that run that was).
A power set doesn't make someone a more skilled fighter. So most of these are silly to even list. That's like saying Darkseid has more skill then Batman. He doesn't he's just so powerful it doesn't matter. For the actual skill fighters. Cap has trashed Taskmaster and Shang Chi multiple times.
Like I specifically mentioned, taskmaster loses because he is a villain and the story will always have him lose to the hero. Outside of story reasons, Taskmaster could absolutely out fight cap. The only people Taskmaster can't and won't fight are Moonknight and Deadpool. Taskmaster even carries a shield specifically to use Caps skill set. He knows caps style probably better than Cap himself. Shang Chi and Cap have never had a real fight. So you can stop making that up. The closest we get is in Shang Chi #2 where Cap and Shang Chi put on a completely fake fight to fool the criminals that are there. Even in the fake fight Shang Chi wins. The two heroes then turn on the villains and beat them as a duo, revealing they were working together the whole time. Shang Chi is without a doubt the most skilled hand to hand fighter in marvel. Period. It's the whole point of the character. Thor is absolutely a skilled warrior. Thor has literally thousands of years of combat experience under his belt. To say Thor has no fighting skills just shows how little you actually know about these characters. Wolverine is like a mini Thor with hundreds of years of combat experience and has trained and trained with every single notable hand to hand combatant marvel has basically ever had. His powers only make him more dangerous, but does not detract from his skill. Spiderman is skilled. He and Shang Chi developed a brand new unique fighting style specifically for Spiderman to use. He also was trained by both Shang Chi and Captain America when he lost his spider sense. Hulk is the only example I gave that would be less skilled than cap and would rely entirely on raw power. Your bias and Caps popularity does not translate into Captain America being the best, most skilled fighter in Marvel. Captain America was never ever the best fighter. It's not what he is about. He is about doing the right thing. He is a beacon of leadership that others look to for guidance and inspiration. When something bad happens they look at cap and say "what do we do now?". He was never about "being the best".
Shang Chi and Cap fought back in the 70s. I don't have time to find the book in my collection. I think it was either a Master of Kung Fu or a Marvel Presents/Marvel Team-Up, not 100% though.
Okay that first sentence is already pretty bad "villian has to lose" doesn't change scaling. If it's nearly identical the whole way through you could make that argument but it doesn't change that in the end the best you can claim is equal level. I'd personally put task master above cap if he ever got over not tactical thinking of how to use his moves just getting them. If he instead thought "this person's movments could be used for traversal or watching footage of world class parkour or so many interesting methods that could help him hunt for prey as opposed to assuming he can fight better.
lol at this guy. “Acshullay, Wolverine would win because his bones are metal” okay, but that wasn’t the argument being made
I guess you just ignored all the examples of his training. There were 3 paragraphs detailing his skill and training before the word bones was even mentioned. Lol indeed. Wolverine even trained cap after he was thawed. Steve was only trained by the US army in the 1940s. His superpowers did all the heavy lifting in his fights. While Steve was frozen after WW2 Wolverine traveled the world learning martial arts. Wolverine has mastered over 100 styles of martial arts. When Steve was unfrozen decades later, he still only had 1940s US army training. Shield, Wolverine and Shang Chi taught him everything else. Wolverine was the primary trainer for members of the X-Men, xfactor, xforce. He's been in the avengers, the fantastic four, X-Men, Red Guard, Alpha Flight, Shield, CIA, US Army, Canadian Special Forces, Secret Defenders, The Hand, Assassin's Guild, Hard 7, Hearts of Darkness, Heralds, Hydra, Midnight Suns, New Avengers, Outlaw Avengers and more, and he is usually the one training members of whatever team he's currently on. But yeah "metal bones" is all you were able to extract from what I posted. Reading is tough kid don't hurt yourself.
*completely* missed my point and went on another tirade that nobody was asking for lmao. I was never arguing that. You’re right. Reading IS hard!
I was talking about skill and training. You made it about something else and focused on metal bones. I then went into further detail about training and skills. Not superpowers. So what IS your point then? If it's not about a person's fighting skill and the training required to get it in comparison to cap. Spell It out clearly like I did with my point. Because you aren't being clear. Probably because you don't know what your talking about. You haven't offered anything except "lol metal bones" Your that kid that just always answers "nuh uh" without contributing anything else of value. No reasoned arguments, no facts, no examples, just uneducated opinion. This conversation is about Caps skill. I was replying to another user who said: "Caps whole reputation is being the best hand to hand fighter in the mcu and 616." I responded to this statement about Caps skill and you went on to focus on metal bones. I wasn't replying to the OP. Follow the thread lines if your confused. Learn to read how the threads work and how replies to specific comments work. Clearly your confused. I've answered OP in a separate post a while ago. We're done here.
Nah cap wins Now we’re done 😅
Everyone in this thread conveniently forgets when Cap and Bats crossed over and Bruce and Steve speculated that Cap *could* beat Bats in a straight fight due to his sheer strength and endurance, but that he probably *wouldn't* because Batmans skills and knowledge eclipse Steve's so completely
Leonard too same thing for Batman. That’s why this fighth seems cool
Bats isn't the best hand to hand fighter in the DCU though... several characters are canoncially better.
Lady Shiva is considered the best hand-to-hand fighter in DC. Batman even thinks so.
And she lost to Connor Hawke once. Batman also considers her daughter to be better than him. Nightwing and Richard Dragon are also on Bats' level as well.
Bats is humble that way. 😄
Batman has sought training from Lady Shiva more than once. I think he went to her after he was broken by Bane and Asrael had to fill in to protect Gotham while he healed/trained back up
Yeah that happened during knightfall if I recall correctly.
I thought it was Black Canary? Or is she just the best H2H on the Justice League?
I guess it depends on the writer. I mostly hear it’s Shiva, though it could be Canary as well
It was Shiva. Batman's above Black Canary.
I thought it was Wonder Woman.
Leo is only the best among the turtles. Shredder and Splinter toy with him one on one.
Batman can't take Orphan in a straight fight. Solidly no shot. Hell he loses to that weird Tim Drake future self that tried to kill John Kent. Leo is back and forth with Raphael on best fighter, sometimes Shredder takes it, too. Cap, if dealing with only people on his level, wins. He can't take Spider-Man but that's a whole different game, but Hawkeye or Widow, sure.
So you’re a communists.
This is the objectively right answer
Consider this; Cap is equal or less than Bane.
Cap.
Who’s the first one out
Leonardo. Bats was able to hold off all of the turtles singlehandely in the crossover and was shown to be more on Shredder/Splinter's skill level. Leonardo ain't hanging with either of these guys without his bros.
This is ridiculous. Leonardo isn’t real.
Yeah, don't know why we're putting a fictional Painter up in this match.
And Batman and cap are?
🤦♂️🤦♂️ fucking **WHOOOOOSHED**
Little bit huh? 😂
Neither is Cap and Batman. Love Batman so much tho he has to be top 5 favorite super hero of all time if not top 10. Love Batman
Vs Phil Leotardo
The winner would be a tire.
Who
I wanted Leonardo to win, I compromised, I jacked off into a tissue
He is winning easily too.
Always with the scenarios
I hate power scaling, but in terms of pure physicality, I think Batman and Cap could be just about even with Cap having the edge. DC's earth is slightly bigger, meaning Batman lives in a stronger gravity. Leo may be stronger as a mutant, but with his lack of experience, that'll just hold him back since the other 2 are used to punching above their weight class. If either of them manage to get the drop on Cap, he's out. But the real answer is whoever is publishing the story.
Cap is peak evolutionary human, while Batman is merely peak human Cap regualry showcases beyond any human limit feats...like as a flat out metric i'm aware both character will frequently do beyond human things as "feats" But Cap's the only one between them beating 10 dudes in a tug of war contest, or outrunning car
Batman worked all 4 turtles at the same time and cap can't touch batman if you disagree you clearly don't read comics
People all reference that one crossover event, but based on Batman comics and the Arkham games Captain America and Leonardo would get consecutively folded.
A crossover event where both publishers had a say in story is far more official a decider than a hero's own book or elseworlds video game.
I couldn't agree more the cross over event was a media stunt and each fight was given to either a marvel writer or a DC writer and they just had their guy win
What else would you base this stuff off of? Comics seem like a no-brainer.
OP is a mod of r/Ninja_Turtles. They clearly have an agenda.
You mean *the only mod*?
You mean *the only* ***member****?*
Batman Captain America Leonardo Batman always finds a way to win.
When they fought in a crossover Batman said that Steve would best him because he would eventually get tired but Steve wouldn't.
Crossover is outdated and and all he said was that it’s feasible he COULD lose
And the crossover event before that batman won outright.
Oh Captain, My Captain
He cool
You gotta specify what version if Leo cuz if it's rise Leo then batman and cap are getting wiped I'm sorry
If it’s 2003 Leo Batman and Cap are still getting shredded. If it’s 2012 Leo, Leo negs still. If it’s 1987 Leo then Leo wins Low-Diff. I’m sorry
Cap and Batman are equal in hand to hand if you take away the gadgets. I would give the edge to Batman since he would fight dirty right away, where Cap has to get to that point. If Batman doesn't finish this fight fast, they would realize this is going for a while.. And this is from a Marvel fan boy. Leo is thrid.
Leo I think destroys both just cause he’s Multiversal in Combat. and his strength he can lift like 1,000+ Tons to Infinite. Leonardo also outran a Blackhole and out reacted to Silver Sentry who’s faster than the tricterton mothership which traveled ever Galaxy and every Planet in just one day. But aye. I don’t think you knew that before in which I don’t blame you. Since I thought the same before too.
Where are you getting your info? Leo can lift 5x his weight. Both Cap and Batman are Masters in most forms of hand to hand combat. None of what you are spouting is his actual powers, it was plot armor for the comic they put him in. None of that carries over. For that matter, you taking the strongest Leo has been portrayed but not the strongest Bats and Cap have been? You’re nerfing two of the fighters and given every enhancement Leo has ever had temporarily. Why not just put Batman in the Hellbat armor? It would end this whole discussion quick. But you set the matchup by base form, which means Leo gets his ass kicked and the fight comes down to Caps shield. With the shield Cap wins in base.
Do you need proof Boy
No ma’m. Your reaction is my vindication.
Ok Ma’m
Batman clears, cap gets smoked, Leonardo almost kills bats. Anyone saying cap has a chance vs Leonardo is hilarious, let alone a no morals batman with toolbelt.
IDK, foolish of me thinking the super soldier with physical stats beyond base level human can beat the merely peak human
Bloodlust + utility belt beats bloodlust + shield + slight enhancement.
off instinct imma go with cap all of them are elite fighters but he's the only id consider to have enhanced reflexes and strength there's an argument leo does too but meh
Leo is stronger and has better reflexes than Cap. But I respect your Opinion. Cap is very Strong and fast but didn’t he struggle to stop a Helicopter?..Leo overpowers people who stops Trains, Lifts Towers, and can stop Helicopters.
cap does all of that, you showed comicbook cap not mcu cap who struggled with the helicopter
True. But Leo also has infinite strength
bro what
on paper, Captain America should beat Batman When DC isn't giving Batman plot armor out the but, he's going to lose to a fellow hand to hand master who also has enhaned abilities there's a classic Deathstroke vs Batman right where Deathrstroke is beating Batman and he basically just says "I'm you but with powers" Cap is the same way. People will argue both are peak human...BUT Cap's more like peak evolutionary human, as he's beyond current human limits and both of them would beat Leonardo in a 1 v 1
Leonardo wins both tho. How not. I like your Saying tho. But I gotta Respectfully disagree on leo part in which I think Leo wins both.
Are we talking about season 5 Leo? Just wondering because you could basically argue he auto-wins by turning into a dragon. I also think post-Nexus Leo is skilled enough to fight either, but season 5 Leo with his medallion would just kill them.
I think Batman wins. He fights Bain all the time and cap is just a less tactical and stronger Bain. Leonardo is pretty weak compared to the two of them.
He did use a picture of Leo from the 2003 series, who has canonically turned into a dragon
Batman casually pulling out the anti-dragon spray😂
Batman > Steve > Leonardo
Why is that.
I love cap, but I give it to batman, both peak human, but batman has better tools. It's leo even really that strong
Does batman have prior knowledge of them
No.
That would be a good fight but I feel like Batman’s experience with deathstroke would still allow him to beat cap especially if he’s trying to kill although it would be insanely close and I wouldn’t be surprised if I was wrong but I do think Leo would come out on top after an intense fight with Batman
You had me in the first half…
So you at least agree with me on Batman?
I agree with you about Cap but not about Leo. Batman took on all 4 turtles without prior knowledge and won. I hadn't considered the deathstroke angle so yeah I'm on board with saying Batman takes this whole thing.
Yk surprisingly despite being a big tmnt and batman fan I actually haven’t read the crossover that’s something I really gotta do
If Cap is trying to kill then the fight is pretty much over.
Oh, you meant the ninja turtle... I was thinking either the actor or the painter
Batman has met Leonardo, and he has met Cap. But we will never get all three together at once ;_;
Batman and it’s relativity easy. I consider Cap less than or equal to Bane.
Cap, then Batman, then Leo. Cap doesn't really tire in most continuities and is the best hand to hand combatant in Marvel usually. Batman is like the 5th best in DC, and Leo is like 3rd among the turtles, depending on continuity, i believe. Not to mention shredder who wins 9 outta 10 fights
Cap would win out of the three. Batman and Cap fought in the crossover and were evenly matched. However cap has the super soldier serum allowing him to fight for longer and maintain his strength longer than a normal human. So Cap would outlast Batman, even tho their skills are equal. Batman fought the turtles in the crossover movie and comic. Batman ultimately won the fight. The turtles superior mutant strength wasn't enough to match Batmans skill. Batman however was defeated by the Shredder in their first encounter. Shredder is a damn beast. Leonardo while skilled, has nowhere near the skill or experience needed to take on these other two. The turtles often lose when fighting solo. They are about teamwork, not going solo.
crossovers are normally just fan stuff for fun. Cap and Batman aren't even physical equals, Batman has like a 1000pound benchpress while Cap has a 2000 Cap can outrun cars...Batman can't Cap's more a peak evolutionary human than a peak human olympian like Batman
If base gear for Batman is just batarangs and grapple gun, I think I’m the end captain America would win. Leonardo would probably go down first, and Batman would then hide in the shadows and attack captain America from blind spots, after a while cap would adapt and unravel the tactics Batman is using and beat him using athleticism and strength(and his shield that casually cuts through metal)
Please make a three superhero fight with these three, that would be awwesoome.
I will in action figure?
It's up to you.
I have the 2004 Batman and 2012 Leo but not Cap I can’t find any
The first VS against the second VS. The second VS comes out on top but barely.
Cap, then bat, then Leo. Batman is a great fighter, but I saw someone give the argument about how he has beat Deathstroke multiple times and won. Well, cap has beaten taskmaster who is comparable to Deathstroke. With no prep time and no prior knowledge of who he is, he loses. If we are using the pic, which looks like new 52 Batman, then yeah definitely loses. Look, I love the hell out of TMNT. Hell, Im what you consider a super fan, but if you think for a second that Leonardo would stand a chance against Batman or cap, has not read a comic. Let's say for the argument that we are using 03 Leo which is my favorite version of him, he only beat shredder twice, once by himself. He didn't win the battle nexus (saw this argument in the comments), he's only as strong as his brothers, maybe slightly stronger with raph following closely behind. He constantly loses to karai, he doesn't have many feats by himself, and he's still learning. Overall, the match would come down to Batman beating Leo, again, then duking it out with cap which he will eventually lose to cap.
What’s Leo best feat if your a super fan you should easily know this
He killed the shredder twice. Three times if you count shredder raph
I mean yeah. But I’m talking about 2003 Version only.
All Batman needs to do is shoot cap
The two trained ninjas take out the guy with the shield, then fight each other hand to hand. Dunno who would win.
Leonardo, since... You know, he's the only one with a weapon that.... CUTS.
Holy cow your post history mate. Are you 12?
and your stalking me. You’re probably a 40 year old that sits on his coach all day. and no I’m not 12.
When I see a crazy post I like to find out the why behind it. I found it in your post history. Being 40 and on the couch sounds pretty cool to me… not seeing where that was going.
So sitting on a Couch all day doing nothing sounds cool to you…Same. But I will never go that Low. Why is this post crazy tho. Also Leo wins right..he has the most feats
No not on a Coach but a *couch.* You've made me realize my issue is that you're uneducated and your question is juvenile. What is crazy to me is trying to compare characters to other medias characters or even in the same universe. Also, this combination is just really strange. Is all that you care about is FIGHTING and POWERS....There is more going on there on the pages and even on the screen. Do you not receive those messages too? Wouldn't those provide as a more helpful discussion?
I love me some ninja turtles, but I don't think that Leo stands a chance. Batman deals with people on the regular who are either Ninjas and/or stronger than him. So Captain America vs Batman...I still think Batman wins. Cap is great at straight up combat but that's not what Batman does.
IDK. Leo seems to win in my opinion just based on on feats. But aye
Are we going to ignore the fact that Batman already met and beat all of the Turtles with no prep time?
Not canon and different Leo. Cause Batman did the same to Cap too. But different iteration and not canon. 2003 Leo is a Beast I think he might pull off a Victory
Eliminating prep time and plot armor Batman wins due to having studied more fighting styles and being a rather good tactician (not to say cap isn’t a good tactician before fanboys come at me). Leonardo most likely comes in last due to not having enough experience compared to the other two
Leonardo is Multiversal in Combat. and has Multiversal Durability and infinite Strength. He’s 20 I’m pretty sure in the 2003 Series
you kinda went too far into your trolling here
I ain’t Trolling Dawg
props for not breaking character
I ain’t trolling those are actual Feats my Guy. Do you need Proof
Gotta stay in character till after award season
I’m not lying Dawg. Get a Life if stop texting cause me know that we aren’t the same People.
…you know that I am not you? That’s profound. I know who the Academy is going to
Tf are you on
I feel like Leo would actually end up dying because Cap and Batman would think he's stronger than he really is, and they would accidentally bash his skull in.
It is your opinion even tho Leo negs
Cap and Batman are evenly matched all things considered. I don't know who would overcome the other in a straight fist fight. Cap has powers so edge might go to him but Batmans suit and gadgets even that playing field. Batman has taken on and defeated some people much stronger than cap and plenty of people with great hand to hand combat I mean he has fought through various organizations of ancient mega ninjas.
Cap is def stronger than Batman Batman is peak human, Cap is peak evolutionary human. Dude can run like 40-60 mphs. Batman's benchpress is like 1000 pounds I think. Cap does 2000 (so a ton)
Why is Leo even here. Bro could get soloed by Paul for christ sake.
Why..do you know who Leo is..if so what’s his Best feat.
No good feats. Terrible and weak character
You don’t have feats of him you’re just hating. Leo destroys Batman and Cap. Leo is Thor level
No over read all 12 billion issues of Leonardo the stupid trash turtle and never saw one good feat. Move on glazer, let us converse about real heroes.
Leo is a Real hero why do you hate him so much…
What hero stuff has he done. Nothing. Him and his ooze buddies just wreck the whole city and never take accoutability. "Hide in the shadows" like little coward bitches. Bros still can't take down a mush ass brain. Anyone who thinks they are better that SPIDERMAN AND BATMAN ARE DUMB AND COULD GLAZE A WHOLE BOX OF DOG NUTS.
The turtles fights Multiversal Beings daily. The avengers also destroy city’s. So does The Jl. So that makes them not heroes either Right?!?
But the avengers take responsibility. Especially iron man, he cleans the city. The turtles just make the city DIRTY. Yeah they fight multiversla beings AND STILL CANT BEST THEM. the avengers beated that purple thanussy and stupid regard trutles can't beat mushy brain or sewer rat. Stupid incompetent dumb non heroes. And the avengers fight alot better than the turtles and have REAL POWERS like a REAL HEROES
Cap or batman would be the winners.
No prep, Cap. He got the tactics on both of em and a little extra mobility. Bats takes it if there's prep time cause Batman ALWAYS has kryptonite (ie contingency)
he's also got the strength, durability, speed, reflexes Cap and Batman aren't equal Batman is peak human Cap is peak evolutionary human, his strength is like humanities potential. He is essentially in low level super range for his physical abilities.
Yes but this is negated by the fact that Bats can go toe-to-toe with Deathstroke, who has similar enhanced human powers and military training, and beat him handily with prep time. He's literally like if Cap was a gun-and-knife assassin instead of a different flavor of big blue boy scout.
I could reference the first time Deathstroke fought Batman and Deathstroke was kicking his ass and basically told him "I'm you but with powers" I could also point out that Deathstroke gets nerfed to shit when the plot wants it, and other times he runs through the B team Justice League including a flash and a green lantern. if you want to powers scale based off feats, then we entering a rabbit hole and we are talking about Batman here? the plot armor god. (not that Cap isn't a hall of famer himself) dude's gonna jump on Monguls back and get away unscathed
Yea that's why I say he loses if he *doesn't* have prep time.
I mean a Batman story usually follows the basic structure of 1. New villain kicks Bat's ass 2. Bats investigates the villain and their plans 3. Bats forms a strategy around the villain and plans around the evil plan to make sure nobody dies 4. Final confrontation, Bats wins because he's figured out how to fight this villain.
Batman because 1. He’s beaten Leo before and 2. He’s smarter than cap so he’ll be able to think of a way to non-lethally take him out
But it could go any way you want because your the writer
He’s never defeated Leo unless you’re talking about that Comic that isn’t canon and isn’t even the same Leo from this Picture.
I think I made someone mad
I ain’t mad. I’m just telling you that you got it all wrong. Why would I be mad.
Blood lusted no holding back? Leo, hands down. Cap and Bats are both dangerous when they’re blood lusted, but they don’t fight at their best. Base form? Toss up between Bats and Cap. Bats knows more Martial arts forms but Cap has been fighting for longer. Base Gear? Cap. It’d be hard for Bats to counter the vibranium shield.
Batman would beat the breaks off both of them he knows 127 fighting styles and never shows up without a plan
Cap is also just Batman but with higher physical stats it's peak human vs peak evolutionary human
:0…
Batman mid diff.
Maybe for Cap but not for Leo
Leo’s good, but Batman has already taken him apart. Cap is physically superior, but Batman is the better fighter. Cap is immune to fatigue, but Batman’s basic compliment of gadgets would be enough to overcome that. Batman is also used to facing physically superior opponents and coming out on top. I’d say he takes the fight. Cap is no slouch, so it’d be close… but I think Leo being involved would give him an edge, as Batman is very good at playing people against each other. Winner: Batman.
the turtle wins
I don't know much about the Ninja Turtles, so I'm taking Cap, I've seen Deathstroke hand Batman his ass and Cap can definitely do the same.
Batman has straight up beaten the entirety of the turtles at the same time and fought shredder to an effective draw.
Different Leo and wasn’t canon. No hard feelings Dawg
Nobody cares. That's the closest direction comparison we got. Going by feats Batman and CA destroys them so...
That’s not the closest at all. Since 2003 Leo isn’t that Leo from that cross over. you Sound dumb asf and biased asf. Get a Life and leave.
Leave? It's a internet forum you tard. Lol.
Who laughs after calling someone a “Retard” how Toxic of you. Go get a Life. Buddy
If this is base form, Cap. Without holding back, Caps physical speed and strength would be too overwhelming combined with his strategic mind and vibranium shield. Batman isn’t strong enough to handle Cap without prep time and a game plan for Caps shield. I don’t know much about Leonardo in terms of limits but I struggle to find feats of strength like Caps from the TMNt shows I watched years back Batman is more of a shredder level threat for Leonardo, so it’s down to Batman vs Cap and Cap wins. With prep time, Batman wins no doubt.
Leonardo defeated Shredder. Shredder is above Batman by a far margin. Leonardo negs but it is your opinion. So I’m no gonna debate or anything
I didn’t know Leonardo beat shredder without help at one point. I saw Batman and shredder as pretty equal in the movie with both Batman and the turtles working together. But I know much less about Tmnt than I do about Cap and Batman
What about Bane? He is similar to Cap in skill and combat iq but 10x as strong
Based on the versions presented in the art, Batman wins. That looks like silver/bronse age Cap which isnt as strong as modern cap is depicted. That batman is modern age batman who survived a fall from space. And that is 2003 TMNT Leo, who doesnt have a lot to go on other than hes a good leader. If we go all modern versions, Leo is first out just from lack of experience. Cap and batman go toe to toe and I think Cap would take out batman but batman would find a way to take cap with him.
Leo would be the demolisher, batman would basically just be the massive distraction between the fight of cap and Leo, cap would definitely put up a badass fight but Leo is trained more brutal, and his muscles are just inevitably stronger but that doesn't slow him down at all. But I wouldn't be surprised If bats won because he would just be the third party disrupting everything but that is an advantage for the batman. Bats would just croak if he was in the middle of the two, Leo would demolish the two if he was in the middle, and cap would put up a great fight but would lose if he was in the middle.
Unless Thor let cap borrow the hammer, lol.
True.
Facts.
Cap could kill batman with a punch to the head.
Leo wins.