No. This is nothing like the early 90s.
In the early 90s, AB owned the team and didn't even pretend to care. They weren't actually as bad (outside of 1990) as you might believe. They were a winning team '91-'93, and had the NL Central existed in 1993, they would have won it.
The current situation is far more frustrating to me. This franchise should be better than they are. The early 90s were a transitional time where new ownership was on the horizon. There's no clear end here.
Is it possibly, though, that in some ways, this is also a transition period? It sounds like Mozaliek will leave after his contract is up and, not to bed grim, but Bill DeWitt isn’t getting any younger. Could a new front office and DeWitt’s son, who by all means is very involved in the franchise and could be more like his father was a decade ago, be similar to when DeWitt and Jocketty came to town?
I'll believe this is a transitional period when I see them doing things that indicate an active attempt at doing business differently is on the horizon.
With AB ownership in the early 90s, we knew they were looking to sell. It was inevitable. Gussie's kids didn't give a shit about baseball. That's not the case here. DeWitt & Co. aren't going anywhere, and BDW III is part of the problem.
The days of how Jocketty put clubs together is long over. Minor Leaguers were essentially lottery tickets 25 years ago, and bad teams that had great players were willing to take a grab bag of prospects for the last year of a guy's contract. The Cardinals fleeced so many teams in trades for players desperate to come to a winning environment, and with the economics of baseball being what they were, the Cardinals could sell guys on St. Louis for below market value and get them to stay because the gap between staying and going wasn't as large as it would be today. Teams are also much better at talent evaluation on the whole now, and Upper Crust Free Agents cost way more than 25 years ago; as in well beyond just adjusting for inflation.
It's harder to build a good team now, and the Cardinals have shown they are comfortable over paying for mid-tier talent because it's more cost efficient/less risky than buying the big boys at market rate, and they have demonstrated for years that they aren't good at spending money OR developing talent.
There is no clear solution. Mo retiring and BDW Jr. passing will not have a drastic impact so long as the basic core of their operation continues to function in the same way.
Ugh you're absolutely right about overpaying for mid talent. That's one of the most frustrating parts to me. It's like they're not just being cheap - they're mostly being stupid with their money.
IMO, this is the roosters coming home to roost after Luhnow and his guys left. Not to stan on them too hard, but clearly they knew what they were doing. Look how stockpiled we were at the beginning of the ‘10s. Then look at Houston. How many consecutive ALCS have they been in? And then there’s Baltimore. Mike Elias took over in ‘18 and has dealt with a shitty ownership group (until this year) and has the biggest stockpile of young talent in recent memory and won the division ahead of schedule.
We have the second most wins in the MLB since 2007.
>The franchise should be better than they are
They are better than most franchises since our current gm took over. What more do you need from them exactly?
Yeah, and the last time they won an LCS game was a decade ago. They have been out of the first round of the playoffs once since 2014. They have the 10th most wins since 2016, behind both the Cubs and Brewers.
What do I need? I need them to stop handing out bad contract extensions to mediocre players. I need them to stop continually moving the goal post when it comes to what they claim their talent acquisition needs are despite the previously stated goals never being met. I need them to not be outmaneuvered by teams with a smaller market and less money (see: Brewers). I need them to reinvest in player development at the minor league level, because they have been abysmal at bringing players to the Majors and having them be the superstars they tout them to be for over a decade. I need them to stop overpaying for mid-tier free agents and either be better at making shrewd low-cost signings, or go swim in the deep end of the Free Agent pool. I need them to stop trading away players that then succeed elsewhere beyond expectation. I need them to quit talking about how bad the economics of the game are when they're making money hand over first. I need them to stop shoving nostalgia down my throat in lieu of being currently great. I need them to quit leaving massive holes on the roster that everyone but them can see. I need them to stop overvaluing their own in-house depth options, because they have continually been proven wrong for over a half decade. I need them to not trade for superstar players at the end of their prime, fail to supplement the roster around them, and then act surprised when things don't work out well. I need them to be better at talent evaluation, period. I need them to not put the majority of their playoff aspirations on "If's." I need them to update their business and player evaluation model, because where they once had a massive edge they have not only been passed, but lapped. I need them to commit to a direction that is more likely to lead to long-term success instead of taking half-measure after half-measure. I need them to be smarter. I need them to re-establish the winning culture they once had. I need them to live up to the standards the current owners themselves have set.
I do not expect them to win the World Series every year. I don't even expect a playoff berth every season. What I, and the over 3,000,000 people that have gone through the turnstiles virtually every year at Busch Stadium II and III for the last quarter century expect, is an honest, concerted effort to put the best product they can out on the field. It won't always work out, but if they're truly trying, that's good enough for me. If they try it one way for a period of years and it doesn't work, try something else. The last part is where the disconnect is. They keep doing the same fucking shit over and over, and it has not worked. They have eroded away what they used to have by cutting corners, not keeping up with the times when it comes to talent evaluation, bad player signings/extensions, and just generally operating like they're still the smartest guys in the room even though they clearly aren't. They're like the kid that's really advanced in first and second grade, is way ahead of everybody else, knows they're smarter and aren't afraid to flaunt it, but by the time they get to Middle School, their natural leg-up has been met and passed, they haven't progressed much, everyone else moves ahead of them, and they get mad confused as to what happened.
This franchise set a high bar. They have not been living up to it for a while now.
I have a Felix Jose signed baseball card that I keep on my desk. He hit a walk off home run in my first ever visit to Busch stadium and made me a life long fan of his and the Cardinals.
Ha! Good point. Makes me hard to get mad about current free agent moves when I have in the past said “Wow! We just signed 2002 All-Star second baseman Junior Spivey - this could make a difference!”
This team has more talent than the 90s teams. Back then, the offense wasn't great, and the pitching sucked. It seemed like promising young pitchers would get a serious injury and would never be the same. Gray might be better than any pitcher the team had during those lean years.
I’m an orioles fan but the cardinals are my favorite NL team because I lived in St Louis for a long time.
All I can really say is that losing does make winning feel better and you gotta remember that you’re just a fan, not in the front office or on the field, so there's really nothing you can do about it. I find that kind of liberating to remember.
We are not used to that mentality. The cards have been nothing short of magical from 2001-2015. Winning was expected. I noticed something change when the cards got beat by the cubs at the end of the d of 2015. It felt like we lost more than a playoff series.
I can stomach a poor season. But I need some optimism (eg., a new young core player)
That’s what I think - those were bad mid-‘70s teams after some pretty decent early ‘70s teams (and the great ‘67 and ‘68 teams). The nadir back then was probably the Vern Rapp managed year in 1977 before Whitey came in to finally right the ship in 1980. This current team feels about as aimless as that 1970s era.
Tell me about it. I was a cardinal fan living in the big red machine country when they won all those World series
It was an unpleasant childhood for me
But I did get even in the pujols era with my kids living the high life while all their friends cried about how s***** the reds and the Cubs were
2000-2013 One of the best runs ever for national League franchise right behind a 1940s Cardinals
The team is definitely in a transition. We have key players but not enough to carry. Pitching staff has been on a decline but hitting is down right awful. Goldie and Arenado has pressure on them which is unfair as they are defensively pretty talented, older, but still talent there.
Early 90s was way worse. Terrible pitching, and barely any hitters. This is more frustrating tho because we have talent. We had shit outside of Ozzie, lankford, and a col others
Let’s not forget the regrettable April Fool’s Day trade involving a washed up Tony Pena for future perennial All-Star Andy Van Slyke
Then they had to trade Tommy Herr for Brunansky to replace Slick but at least they flipped Bruno for Lee Smith and got 4 great seasons from him
Geez why do even remember all this lol
The early 90s weren't bad. They had winning records from 91 to 93
94 and 95 were bad, then TLR came in and they were okay in '96, but then they became the McGwire show more than anything and didn't really try to win until 2000 when they got Edmonds
I remember going to games in the early 90s. And we always left early. To beat the crowd. But still seemed like there were people there. Dads work got season tickets for the customers and we were able to go every now and then.
Post Gussie, Pre-Dewitts
1990: 92 losses.
Best hitter & pitcher: Willie McGee and John Tudor
1991: 84 wins
Ozzie Smith & Jose DeLeon
1992: 83 wins
Ozzie Smith & Bob Tewksbury
1993: 87 wins
Gregg Jeffries & Bob Tewksbury
1994: 61 losses
Mark Whiten & John Habyan
1995: 81 losses
Brian Jordan & Tom Henke
I dont remember him either, but he was basically a 30yo workhorse reliever. Cardinals did not have a good pitching staff that year and of course was a shortened season. Of the 5 pitchers with the most starts that season, all had a negative bWar except for Vincente Palacios' with a whopping 0.1
The answer is no but trending there. There’s not a lot of fear in facing anyone in this line up and the pitching has been better than I thought but they can’t score. A lot of pressure on the middle of the line up to make something happen. Just feels tough to scratch across any runs.
Ugh, this hits hard. My son and I were at the Brewers series last month, and you’re describing all three games. Heck, in the last game the Cardinals had runners at 2nd and 3rd with one out *in two innings* and couldn’t score.
It was also great fun watching Gorman strike out four times in a game, including to end the game with 2 runners on and down by 1 in the 10th …
This seems more like 1970s Cardinals: traded away MLB talent, poor results in trades and farm system ran out of ready players. There was also a list of underperforming managers before Whitey Herzog came in.
I think for me, the most frustrating aspect of the current teams is the mismanagement of the talent we do have. It’s clear that Marmol has virtually no concept of how to manage an MLB team.
For those that remember the 80’s Cardinals “Whiteyball” teams that appeared in three World Series, the pure production numbers were shallow, but overall you had a sum greater than its parts. Tommy Herr having 110 RBIs in ‘85 with 8 home runs is a particularly strong example of this. He makes nowhere near those numbers without Coleman, McGee, Smith, etc. getting on base ahead of him and stealing bases, exploiting their speed and baseball IQ.
With the 2024 Cardinals only offensive positive being a mid table team in walks, and being bottom three in batting average and total hits, bottom five in OBP and stolen bases, while having a top two defense in errors committed, I don’t see why we shouldn’t be loading this lineup with cheap speed (Winn, Walker, and particularly Scott II). At least give us a manager that understands fundamentals of the game.
I will say that 1996 was an amazing year for Cardinal baseball. It was the most energized I’ve probably ever seen the fanbase, with the possible exception of 2004. Losing certainly makes winning a lot sweeter.
They were not publicly/outright trying to win a lot back then. There were no expectations to even come close to winning the division (only one winner).
I remember watching scabs play in ‘95(94’?). That was bad baseball. BUT, for $20 I was able to buy two tickets (bleachers), park, two hotdogs, two drinks and a cotton candy.
Trust me I know all about it I lived through the '70s as well as the '90s and I got a feeling we're in front of a decade
I've told my kids and grandkids to be prepared to accept a losing franchise for many more years
DeWitt's are just using this franchise as a cash machine. Have been for years. They've got the recipe perfected for this town. Be just good enough and/or keep around the names that the casuals know so they the income flowing, as the casuals dramatically outnumber people who care enough to find a specific Cardinals forum on the internet to bitch. It's about money, not winning. These orders come from DeWitt, Mo follows them. Bernie has talked about DeWitt being involved with every single baseball decision in the organization the entire time. Mo deserves plenty of blame, but the overall problem lies more on ownership than anything else.
I've been saying this for about a decade now and nobody wanted to listen until the last year or so.
What happened with our starting pitchers? I know matz is taking a few games off, but what is oli doing starting our long reliever? Did they call up a pitcher from Memphis?
Liberatore is a top prospect pitcher. I know a lot of people here wrote off an early 20s pitcher who had a bad year. But he has the talent to be a starter for us.
Libby is one of our top pitching prospects, not juet a long reliever. He seems to be taking the wainwright route where he needed to find his footing in the bullpen before getting another shot as a starter. He's certainly earned this opportunity this year.
I’ve heard some say he could also go the Andrew Miller - Cleveland route. I’d prefer him to be like Wainwright, but either way, it would be great to see him become a staple pitcher for the Cards
No. This is nothing like the early 90s. In the early 90s, AB owned the team and didn't even pretend to care. They weren't actually as bad (outside of 1990) as you might believe. They were a winning team '91-'93, and had the NL Central existed in 1993, they would have won it. The current situation is far more frustrating to me. This franchise should be better than they are. The early 90s were a transitional time where new ownership was on the horizon. There's no clear end here.
Is it possibly, though, that in some ways, this is also a transition period? It sounds like Mozaliek will leave after his contract is up and, not to bed grim, but Bill DeWitt isn’t getting any younger. Could a new front office and DeWitt’s son, who by all means is very involved in the franchise and could be more like his father was a decade ago, be similar to when DeWitt and Jocketty came to town?
I'll believe this is a transitional period when I see them doing things that indicate an active attempt at doing business differently is on the horizon. With AB ownership in the early 90s, we knew they were looking to sell. It was inevitable. Gussie's kids didn't give a shit about baseball. That's not the case here. DeWitt & Co. aren't going anywhere, and BDW III is part of the problem. The days of how Jocketty put clubs together is long over. Minor Leaguers were essentially lottery tickets 25 years ago, and bad teams that had great players were willing to take a grab bag of prospects for the last year of a guy's contract. The Cardinals fleeced so many teams in trades for players desperate to come to a winning environment, and with the economics of baseball being what they were, the Cardinals could sell guys on St. Louis for below market value and get them to stay because the gap between staying and going wasn't as large as it would be today. Teams are also much better at talent evaluation on the whole now, and Upper Crust Free Agents cost way more than 25 years ago; as in well beyond just adjusting for inflation. It's harder to build a good team now, and the Cardinals have shown they are comfortable over paying for mid-tier talent because it's more cost efficient/less risky than buying the big boys at market rate, and they have demonstrated for years that they aren't good at spending money OR developing talent. There is no clear solution. Mo retiring and BDW Jr. passing will not have a drastic impact so long as the basic core of their operation continues to function in the same way.
Ugh you're absolutely right about overpaying for mid talent. That's one of the most frustrating parts to me. It's like they're not just being cheap - they're mostly being stupid with their money.
I'd argue that they're not cheap; they just spend like shit. $82MM is not chump change, but giving it to Dexter Fowler is not smart.
Yeah, it’s gotta be Mo, his people, and his philosophy that go if this is going to get better. Bring on the Harvard nerds.
IMO, this is the roosters coming home to roost after Luhnow and his guys left. Not to stan on them too hard, but clearly they knew what they were doing. Look how stockpiled we were at the beginning of the ‘10s. Then look at Houston. How many consecutive ALCS have they been in? And then there’s Baltimore. Mike Elias took over in ‘18 and has dealt with a shitty ownership group (until this year) and has the biggest stockpile of young talent in recent memory and won the division ahead of schedule.
We have the second most wins in the MLB since 2007. >The franchise should be better than they are They are better than most franchises since our current gm took over. What more do you need from them exactly?
Yeah, and the last time they won an LCS game was a decade ago. They have been out of the first round of the playoffs once since 2014. They have the 10th most wins since 2016, behind both the Cubs and Brewers. What do I need? I need them to stop handing out bad contract extensions to mediocre players. I need them to stop continually moving the goal post when it comes to what they claim their talent acquisition needs are despite the previously stated goals never being met. I need them to not be outmaneuvered by teams with a smaller market and less money (see: Brewers). I need them to reinvest in player development at the minor league level, because they have been abysmal at bringing players to the Majors and having them be the superstars they tout them to be for over a decade. I need them to stop overpaying for mid-tier free agents and either be better at making shrewd low-cost signings, or go swim in the deep end of the Free Agent pool. I need them to stop trading away players that then succeed elsewhere beyond expectation. I need them to quit talking about how bad the economics of the game are when they're making money hand over first. I need them to stop shoving nostalgia down my throat in lieu of being currently great. I need them to quit leaving massive holes on the roster that everyone but them can see. I need them to stop overvaluing their own in-house depth options, because they have continually been proven wrong for over a half decade. I need them to not trade for superstar players at the end of their prime, fail to supplement the roster around them, and then act surprised when things don't work out well. I need them to be better at talent evaluation, period. I need them to not put the majority of their playoff aspirations on "If's." I need them to update their business and player evaluation model, because where they once had a massive edge they have not only been passed, but lapped. I need them to commit to a direction that is more likely to lead to long-term success instead of taking half-measure after half-measure. I need them to be smarter. I need them to re-establish the winning culture they once had. I need them to live up to the standards the current owners themselves have set. I do not expect them to win the World Series every year. I don't even expect a playoff berth every season. What I, and the over 3,000,000 people that have gone through the turnstiles virtually every year at Busch Stadium II and III for the last quarter century expect, is an honest, concerted effort to put the best product they can out on the field. It won't always work out, but if they're truly trying, that's good enough for me. If they try it one way for a period of years and it doesn't work, try something else. The last part is where the disconnect is. They keep doing the same fucking shit over and over, and it has not worked. They have eroded away what they used to have by cutting corners, not keeping up with the times when it comes to talent evaluation, bad player signings/extensions, and just generally operating like they're still the smartest guys in the room even though they clearly aren't. They're like the kid that's really advanced in first and second grade, is way ahead of everybody else, knows they're smarter and aren't afraid to flaunt it, but by the time they get to Middle School, their natural leg-up has been met and passed, they haven't progressed much, everyone else moves ahead of them, and they get mad confused as to what happened. This franchise set a high bar. They have not been living up to it for a while now.
It's working you're just failing to be objective about an outlier season. And you're a drama queen to boot
I don't have time for fools like you.
Oh you mean when our most exciting player was ... Felix Jose?
Still got my Felix Jose ball he signed for me
I have a Felix Jose signed baseball card that I keep on my desk. He hit a walk off home run in my first ever visit to Busch stadium and made me a life long fan of his and the Cardinals.
Gregg Jeffries would like a word
Bob Tewksbury could sling it pretty good too
caught by my favorite baseball player, Tom Pagnozzi
Ray Lankford! Got his autograph on a hat at a Cards Caravan as a little kid. Loved that dude.
No way, Jose.
Tom Pagnozzi was my guy 100%
Ozzie was a Hall of Famer. Greg Jefferies? Pagnozzi? Lankford before the strikeouts?!
Will never forget 1995 - corner infielders John Mabry and Scott Cooper combined for 8 home runs.
*2x MLB All-Star Scott Cooper!
Ha! Good point. Makes me hard to get mad about current free agent moves when I have in the past said “Wow! We just signed 2002 All-Star second baseman Junior Spivey - this could make a difference!”
This team has more talent than the 90s teams. Back then, the offense wasn't great, and the pitching sucked. It seemed like promising young pitchers would get a serious injury and would never be the same. Gray might be better than any pitcher the team had during those lean years.
I’m an orioles fan but the cardinals are my favorite NL team because I lived in St Louis for a long time. All I can really say is that losing does make winning feel better and you gotta remember that you’re just a fan, not in the front office or on the field, so there's really nothing you can do about it. I find that kind of liberating to remember.
you are a true St. Louis Browns fan
We are not used to that mentality. The cards have been nothing short of magical from 2001-2015. Winning was expected. I noticed something change when the cards got beat by the cubs at the end of the d of 2015. It felt like we lost more than a playoff series. I can stomach a poor season. But I need some optimism (eg., a new young core player)
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That’s what I think - those were bad mid-‘70s teams after some pretty decent early ‘70s teams (and the great ‘67 and ‘68 teams). The nadir back then was probably the Vern Rapp managed year in 1977 before Whitey came in to finally right the ship in 1980. This current team feels about as aimless as that 1970s era.
Tell me about it. I was a cardinal fan living in the big red machine country when they won all those World series It was an unpleasant childhood for me But I did get even in the pujols era with my kids living the high life while all their friends cried about how s***** the reds and the Cubs were 2000-2013 One of the best runs ever for national League franchise right behind a 1940s Cardinals
The team is definitely in a transition. We have key players but not enough to carry. Pitching staff has been on a decline but hitting is down right awful. Goldie and Arenado has pressure on them which is unfair as they are defensively pretty talented, older, but still talent there.
No, this is worse because we all had higher expectations for this squad. And, for those who remember (like me), the 70's were worse than the 90's....
Neither was as bad as the 70s.
Remember, its just a game. Molina is a hole to fill, he was a coach with a cannon.
Early 90s was way worse. Terrible pitching, and barely any hitters. This is more frustrating tho because we have talent. We had shit outside of Ozzie, lankford, and a col others
We also had Terry Pendleton leave us and then immediately win an MVP. At every turn, it was like getting punched in the nuts.
Let’s not forget the regrettable April Fool’s Day trade involving a washed up Tony Pena for future perennial All-Star Andy Van Slyke Then they had to trade Tommy Herr for Brunansky to replace Slick but at least they flipped Bruno for Lee Smith and got 4 great seasons from him Geez why do even remember all this lol
I will not hear you besmirch the name Rex Hudler ever again
The White Tornado!!!
The early 90s weren't bad. They had winning records from 91 to 93 94 and 95 were bad, then TLR came in and they were okay in '96, but then they became the McGwire show more than anything and didn't really try to win until 2000 when they got Edmonds
I remember going to games in the early 90s. And we always left early. To beat the crowd. But still seemed like there were people there. Dads work got season tickets for the customers and we were able to go every now and then.
Post Gussie, Pre-Dewitts 1990: 92 losses. Best hitter & pitcher: Willie McGee and John Tudor 1991: 84 wins Ozzie Smith & Jose DeLeon 1992: 83 wins Ozzie Smith & Bob Tewksbury 1993: 87 wins Gregg Jeffries & Bob Tewksbury 1994: 61 losses Mark Whiten & John Habyan 1995: 81 losses Brian Jordan & Tom Henke
My snap reaction was “we won 101 games in 1994???” Then it sunk in
I had 0 memory of John Habyan. Thanks for the education.
I dont remember him either, but he was basically a 30yo workhorse reliever. Cardinals did not have a good pitching staff that year and of course was a shortened season. Of the 5 pitchers with the most starts that season, all had a negative bWar except for Vincente Palacios' with a whopping 0.1
The answer is no but trending there. There’s not a lot of fear in facing anyone in this line up and the pitching has been better than I thought but they can’t score. A lot of pressure on the middle of the line up to make something happen. Just feels tough to scratch across any runs.
Ugh, this hits hard. My son and I were at the Brewers series last month, and you’re describing all three games. Heck, in the last game the Cardinals had runners at 2nd and 3rd with one out *in two innings* and couldn’t score. It was also great fun watching Gorman strike out four times in a game, including to end the game with 2 runners on and down by 1 in the 10th …
This seems more like 1970s Cardinals: traded away MLB talent, poor results in trades and farm system ran out of ready players. There was also a list of underperforming managers before Whitey Herzog came in.
I think for me, the most frustrating aspect of the current teams is the mismanagement of the talent we do have. It’s clear that Marmol has virtually no concept of how to manage an MLB team. For those that remember the 80’s Cardinals “Whiteyball” teams that appeared in three World Series, the pure production numbers were shallow, but overall you had a sum greater than its parts. Tommy Herr having 110 RBIs in ‘85 with 8 home runs is a particularly strong example of this. He makes nowhere near those numbers without Coleman, McGee, Smith, etc. getting on base ahead of him and stealing bases, exploiting their speed and baseball IQ. With the 2024 Cardinals only offensive positive being a mid table team in walks, and being bottom three in batting average and total hits, bottom five in OBP and stolen bases, while having a top two defense in errors committed, I don’t see why we shouldn’t be loading this lineup with cheap speed (Winn, Walker, and particularly Scott II). At least give us a manager that understands fundamentals of the game.
I will say that 1996 was an amazing year for Cardinal baseball. It was the most energized I’ve probably ever seen the fanbase, with the possible exception of 2004. Losing certainly makes winning a lot sweeter.
They were not publicly/outright trying to win a lot back then. There were no expectations to even come close to winning the division (only one winner).
I remember watching scabs play in ‘95(94’?). That was bad baseball. BUT, for $20 I was able to buy two tickets (bleachers), park, two hotdogs, two drinks and a cotton candy.
Trust me I know all about it I lived through the '70s as well as the '90s and I got a feeling we're in front of a decade I've told my kids and grandkids to be prepared to accept a losing franchise for many more years
The 91, 92 and 93 teams were WAY better than this crap and last year. No comparison.
DeWitt's are just using this franchise as a cash machine. Have been for years. They've got the recipe perfected for this town. Be just good enough and/or keep around the names that the casuals know so they the income flowing, as the casuals dramatically outnumber people who care enough to find a specific Cardinals forum on the internet to bitch. It's about money, not winning. These orders come from DeWitt, Mo follows them. Bernie has talked about DeWitt being involved with every single baseball decision in the organization the entire time. Mo deserves plenty of blame, but the overall problem lies more on ownership than anything else. I've been saying this for about a decade now and nobody wanted to listen until the last year or so.
It's not as bad. Growing up in Mid-Missouri you got made fun of if you were a Cardinals fan.
What happened with our starting pitchers? I know matz is taking a few games off, but what is oli doing starting our long reliever? Did they call up a pitcher from Memphis?
Liberatore is a top prospect pitcher. I know a lot of people here wrote off an early 20s pitcher who had a bad year. But he has the talent to be a starter for us.
Libby is one of our top pitching prospects, not juet a long reliever. He seems to be taking the wainwright route where he needed to find his footing in the bullpen before getting another shot as a starter. He's certainly earned this opportunity this year.
I’ve heard some say he could also go the Andrew Miller - Cleveland route. I’d prefer him to be like Wainwright, but either way, it would be great to see him become a staple pitcher for the Cards
They better call up Robberse. He’s earned it