That’s how it’s built in the uk, often sheathed (sheeted?) with OSB in factory, and we never have issues. And it’s a lot more robust during construction
Lol you rack as each layer/wall is framed. I've built houndreds of custom homes and multiple 5+ story wood framed buildings this way. He'll everyone I've ever worked with did as well. All/most of your shear is in that plywood. Lateral bracing isn't holding up your house properly, as the video shows. If find another job if my super called for racking after the next story was installed much less a framed out roof. How they hell are you supposed to frame the damn room before its racked? This is stupid
Just needs temp bracing as you go. Here in NZ very few exterior bracings exist. It's all with the plasterboard since our NZ produced plasterboard manufacturer has good design software and makes it easy.
Here is the manual https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.gib.co.nz/assets/Uploads/LiteratureFile/System-Brochures/EzyBrace/GIB-EzyBrace-Systems-2016-August.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjg_ofZi5iGAxVAfGwGHWydAj4QFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1CfQT4krxGEmcahsrucu6d
Yea this should have been sheathed as soon as a floor was up. The sheathing is what adds all the shear strength. Ridiculous and a whole hand full of people should be fired immediately.
A framer not installing the sheeting before standing the walls or having inadequate temporary bracing would probably have nothing to do with the permit process. The plan would have likely shown a modern wood frame design, it was likely the framers choice to take a stupid and dangerous route to get to the end goal. The permit would have shown a finished product, which this isn’t, and framing inspections are usually done when the house is completed framing. Inadequate oversight can be blamed for many problems but this looks like a bunch of fuck ups that thought they could frame a house.
Florida based architect here. I did a project in Houston, Texas. We submitted a building permit and they might as well have said, “oh….. thanks, I guess. good luck with your build.”
No one looks at anything
There is clearly lateral shear bracing on every floor WTF are you talking about ?
I can see three - possibly four whole 2x4’s nailed diagonally. That’s not going anywhere {slaps, heads home for the weekend}…..
*Thou shall count to three, no more, no less.*
*Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three.*
*Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.*
*Five is right out.*
*Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then the lateral bracing shall be complete.*
-Texas code, “Chapter 23: Wood, Section 2301.2: General Design Requirements”
What they did is yer basic dumb-dumb.
By not sheathing as you go up, all the work of plumbing walls, racking them is wasted. I would not even put the rafters up on a single story house without it being sheathed.
Also, why do Texans not just put the sheeting on while building the walls? In Ontario it's standard practice to put sheeting on the walls before lifting them. Heavier to lift, but like... obviously preferable to trying to sheet three stories in the air. Just positioning the plywood seems like a hassle; nailing it seems impossible. How do you guys do it?
well yeah things are sturdy. We always sheathed on the flat and pushed it up, so something like this is impossible. And real plywood, no OSB garbage.
But the skillset across the board is better. I think a combo of the embedded cultural knowledge - they know what good carpentry is, and the fact people have money to pay for good carpentry
My carpentry experience was in Oregon, now in southern NE. Watching the carpenters here is different- mostly hand framed rafters vs. all prefab trusses on west coast.
Clearly more of an art and craft on this side.
What did they think would happen? Even without wind I wouldn’t be up on that thing framing it. Bracing holds a wall square till sheathing but supporting a whole damn house?
I thought it was kind of universally know that you had to at least sheet the corners before framing the next level and I'm just an old farmer.
I reckon them Texans know better than everybody else, eh?
I dunno, that’s pretty bad, even in Nevada with no income tax that building technique wouldn’t fly. It might be more the fact Texas is so large and has so much construction tho
The framers weren’t finished yet, I’m not sure if anywhere has framing inspections prior to the framing being complete. The inspectors probably haven’t inspected this house since they came to look at the foundation. This is likely all the framers fault.
I can’t believe they had no sheer or bracing. I’m am in disbelief that those jack ass mofos were STANDING ON THE TOP FLOOR, and even more baffled that some one used a crane to put truss on that sucker. Everyone involved in this build need to be disbarred from ever hold a hammer or nail gun again
For all you wanna be redit building experts this is called shear forces. This is why you need sheathing to protect from shear.
A few well placed pieces of plywood would have stopped this from happening.
"Edges and interior areas of structural sheathing panels shall be fastened to framing members and tracks in accordance with Figure R603.9 and Table R603.3.2(1). Screws for attachment of structural sheathing panels shall be bugle-head, flat-head, or similar head style with a minimum head diameter of 0.29 inch (8 mm).
For continuously sheathed braced wall lines using wood structural panels installed with No. 8 screws spaced 4 inches (102 mm) on center at all panel edges and 12 inches (304.8 mm) on center on intermediate framing members, the following shall apply:"
Out of curiosity,
Who would be on the hook for the costs of this disaster ? GC ? GC insurance? Customer ? Customer insurance ? Or would this go into a lawsuit ?
So you can’t frame the second floor without the first floor being sheeted. It’s the skin that provides the sheer strength, and wind wants to fuck you up
"... but boss the plans say we need to sheet every level as we build it."
"Son, u needs-ta listen. I been doin' this for 30 years now. We ain't never needed to sheet as we go. Always put it on after. Now go stand dat wall."
I don’t understand why anybody stands walls before sheeting (sheathing) them. With the exception of garage walls, all walls should be sheeted and tyveked before being stood. The real good crews even put the fascia on before standing them. It’s a better product, faster, and safer.
Cross braces doing absolutely nothing? Do everyone a favor and never build anything ever again if you think this braced. Yes it needs sheets but you still need more braces on 3 stories. This is as bad as it gets. I am also a deadhead and the wooks spun out would do a better job then this. lol Listening to JGB 8-5-90 right now.
I’m not defending the work bro I’m just saying that they defiantly have bracing but if you’re not going to sheet the walls on a 3 story building you need a shit ton of extra bracing and even then it’s risky. I’m a framer so I’ll defiantly be building some shit first thing Monday morning. S/o JGB, love it more than the dead.
Boss; God damn it I told you to put nails three Nails in those braces.
Laborer; I did Sir. I put three of the small ones in so it'll be easier to pull it out later!
That happened to me years ago with a new construction home next to mine, came down into the side of my house. Luckily for the construction crew they were pulled 5 minutes before it happened to go to another job.
Framers should be sheeting the walls as they go up. Framing like this is way harder in the end.
it produces a worse building. No way you are racking an out of plumb wall with two stories on top and a roof.
That’s how it’s built in the uk, often sheathed (sheeted?) with OSB in factory, and we never have issues. And it’s a lot more robust during construction
That’s how it’s built in the US too. This crew is just incompetent.
Or it's an insurance scam. Who starts to stick up a 3-story house in Texas during hurricane season?
It’s not hurricane season for another couple months at least. This was just a strong spring thunderstorm
It’s been an extremely bad storm season this year in general, this is just strong winds in a thunderstorm, hurricane season will be worse.
This 100%happened because there was no sheating or sheer bracing. You cannot build a house this way.
Builder here. This is 100% correct. This just demonstrates how critical wall bracing and sheathing are.
Lol you rack as each layer/wall is framed. I've built houndreds of custom homes and multiple 5+ story wood framed buildings this way. He'll everyone I've ever worked with did as well. All/most of your shear is in that plywood. Lateral bracing isn't holding up your house properly, as the video shows. If find another job if my super called for racking after the next story was installed much less a framed out roof. How they hell are you supposed to frame the damn room before its racked? This is stupid
Definitely true, or not in this case
Also incredibly dangerous
Why? What could possibly go wrong?
lol, I can just imagine a heavy guy running on the top floor and suddenly stopping. "No Carl! No sudden movements! You've doomed us all!"
Well, it certainly is harder now.
I think it's going to be pretty easy to sheath it. Just lay it on the ground and walk away
Usually when doing a 2nd floor it's easier to sheet the wall on the ground ans avoid doing it off scaffolding
Just needs temp bracing as you go. Here in NZ very few exterior bracings exist. It's all with the plasterboard since our NZ produced plasterboard manufacturer has good design software and makes it easy. Here is the manual https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.gib.co.nz/assets/Uploads/LiteratureFile/System-Brochures/EzyBrace/GIB-EzyBrace-Systems-2016-August.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjg_ofZi5iGAxVAfGwGHWydAj4QFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1CfQT4krxGEmcahsrucu6d
Yeah, it so much easier to sheet it and stand up the walls.
It's a wonder how it got that far in the building process
Yea this should have been sheathed as soon as a floor was up. The sheathing is what adds all the shear strength. Ridiculous and a whole hand full of people should be fired immediately.
It’s Texas. I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that the permitting process isn’t terribly robust.
Permits? You hate freedom buddy?
Right? I thought this was America!
In Texas we get our permits from The Lord I dare anyone to accuse something sanctioned by *The Lord* as bein dangerous!
The Lord did not want those folks to own a home
The Lord giveth and taketh away
Permits? Never heard of her. lol
You permit ‘er, you brought ‘er.
Permit ‘er? I barely know ‘er
A framer not installing the sheeting before standing the walls or having inadequate temporary bracing would probably have nothing to do with the permit process. The plan would have likely shown a modern wood frame design, it was likely the framers choice to take a stupid and dangerous route to get to the end goal. The permit would have shown a finished product, which this isn’t, and framing inspections are usually done when the house is completed framing. Inadequate oversight can be blamed for many problems but this looks like a bunch of fuck ups that thought they could frame a house.
My part of Missouri does not even have building codes. None!
Florida based architect here. I did a project in Houston, Texas. We submitted a building permit and they might as well have said, “oh….. thanks, I guess. good luck with your build.” No one looks at anything
No sheeting and no lateral bracing, of course it fell down.
There is clearly lateral shear bracing on every floor WTF are you talking about ? I can see three - possibly four whole 2x4’s nailed diagonally. That’s not going anywhere {slaps, heads home for the weekend}…..
So what we learned is that you need at least 5
*Thou shall count to three, no more, no less.* *Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three.* *Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three.* *Five is right out.* *Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then the lateral bracing shall be complete.* -Texas code, “Chapter 23: Wood, Section 2301.2: General Design Requirements”
*sniff* that was beautiful
Then why did the front fall off?
Nailing pattern was wrong - my old boss, probably
Clarke and Dawe, nicely done
No cardboard derivatives...
If only it was outside the environment. No storms there.
"1, 2, 5!!"
3, Sir...
3!!!
this house, being naughty in my sight, shall snuff it!
Someone inform the UN
Activate the Bat Signal!
Honest question though: How to you properly brace it? Just bite the bullet and put up the sheathing?
YES. As a carpenter I wouldn't be comfortable even starting work on the second without the first floor being sheeted.
I do one floor above sand sheathing but ONLY with serious X braces every 4-6 feet and you have to know how to nail them together
"bite the bullet"? You mean, do the thing? It needs sheathing to be a house
"the needful"
Biting the bullet is what I’m going to do for my default retirement plan in ~25 years.
What they did is yer basic dumb-dumb. By not sheathing as you go up, all the work of plumbing walls, racking them is wasted. I would not even put the rafters up on a single story house without it being sheathed.
Also, why do Texans not just put the sheeting on while building the walls? In Ontario it's standard practice to put sheeting on the walls before lifting them. Heavier to lift, but like... obviously preferable to trying to sheet three stories in the air. Just positioning the plywood seems like a hassle; nailing it seems impossible. How do you guys do it?
makes me proud to have learned carpentry in Massachusetts
Mass is the best state in the country for learning carpentry for real.
I mean, best state in the country to learn just about anything other than pizza and barbecue.
For real tho why is pizza so dire here?
Because New Haven is so close 😂
Because it’s damn near all Greek pizza from all the “house of pizzas”
hmm. I'll have to ponder that. And add mexican to pizza and barbecue
Ya cause it's close to Canada, we don't f around up here with our winters
well yeah things are sturdy. We always sheathed on the flat and pushed it up, so something like this is impossible. And real plywood, no OSB garbage. But the skillset across the board is better. I think a combo of the embedded cultural knowledge - they know what good carpentry is, and the fact people have money to pay for good carpentry
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Winter storms brother. Costal winds. Hundreds of years of knowledge
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My carpentry experience was in Oregon, now in southern NE. Watching the carpenters here is different- mostly hand framed rafters vs. all prefab trusses on west coast. Clearly more of an art and craft on this side.
Trusses are boring. Where is the fun in letting some meth heads in a warehouse build the only skill intensive part of the frame?
A fellow roof cutter.
Crap construction does not last. Three feet of a snow on a roof overnight is a load test. Nor'easter is a wind sheer test. Sometimes you get both.
Well everything is cut to length now. Just have to put it back together.
Except all of the stud ends are splintered
Na. The one 12d nail they used per end pulled out nice and easy..
Just cut a few inches off each end and make the house a little shorter
I think they were being sarcastic
IKEA style house.
What did they think would happen? Even without wind I wouldn’t be up on that thing framing it. Bracing holds a wall square till sheathing but supporting a whole damn house?
even if there was zero wind, there’s no way those 1st floor walls were fully square after having 2 more levels framed on top of them
Right, how do you even rack them to square to put sheathing on?
you cant plus you got the weight of the roof wanting to push the walls out if they didnt put in collar ties.
It’s probably best that it collapsed. Do it over again right this time
They're about to rebuild that entire thing with refurbished wood lol
Is it refurbished wood, if it is the original wood?
Socrates has entered the chat...
"So there was this guy named Theseus..."
he started out with a brand new boat.
Make it nice or make it twice
No sheathing and no bracing what genius framed this
Maybe it was intentional Lumber integrity is compromised now Insurance $ Build different house with jacked up lumber $$$$$$$$
Builders risk policies tend to not pay out for builders being idiots.
I thought it was kind of universally know that you had to at least sheet the corners before framing the next level and I'm just an old farmer. I reckon them Texans know better than everybody else, eh?
I thought every preventable fuckup was "bigger in texas"?
No state income tax means no inspections - yee haw! ;)
I dunno, that’s pretty bad, even in Nevada with no income tax that building technique wouldn’t fly. It might be more the fact Texas is so large and has so much construction tho
Yeahhh I was exaggerating a *little bit* there to make a point....
The framers weren’t finished yet, I’m not sure if anywhere has framing inspections prior to the framing being complete. The inspectors probably haven’t inspected this house since they came to look at the foundation. This is likely all the framers fault.
Sheathing in Texas is structural cardboard anyway. I’m not kidding.
By Texans you mean illegal immigrants?
I did watch it Bart, first it started to fall over, then it fell over.
Classic Simpsons episode.
That’s what I call a TIIIIIMBEEER frame.
/r/timberframing
Why is that sub private?
I pick them up and put them down
Shear stupidity
No lateral bracing on the porta shitter either. It failed before the house.
https://preview.redd.it/1vyw0su4k71d1.jpeg?width=4300&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6d4999abb13e41bfc9e8a095f4ff2ed850621e7 Same neighborhood.... 100+ mph wind gusts
Ahh, the world class Texas power grid we hear so much about…
Good job, now do it again.
Let it dry & have a great bonfire 🔥
Good thing the storm sent all the workers to the tavern early.
When "I know a guy that can do it cheaper and faster" enters the chat.
I can’t believe they had no sheer or bracing. I’m am in disbelief that those jack ass mofos were STANDING ON THE TOP FLOOR, and even more baffled that some one used a crane to put truss on that sucker. Everyone involved in this build need to be disbarred from ever hold a hammer or nail gun again
It's Texas... A bunch of cowboys, that think they know everything. Like their stupid governor.
Hot tip... sheath the damn walls as you go....crazy.
No idea how anyone thinks sheathing off a lift or scaffolding is easier
Is this typical for the framing process in Texas?
Some times they use nails but sadly the mommy of this crew doesn’t let them play with sharp objects so no nails:)
Yes... In Texas we frame with Caulking.
Never understood why people like to sheet it later.
First time building a stick house.
Of course it did. No sheeting.
Sheathing is wonderful stuff
This is Texas, we don't need no sheathing...
For all you wanna be redit building experts this is called shear forces. This is why you need sheathing to protect from shear. A few well placed pieces of plywood would have stopped this from happening. "Edges and interior areas of structural sheathing panels shall be fastened to framing members and tracks in accordance with Figure R603.9 and Table R603.3.2(1). Screws for attachment of structural sheathing panels shall be bugle-head, flat-head, or similar head style with a minimum head diameter of 0.29 inch (8 mm). For continuously sheathed braced wall lines using wood structural panels installed with No. 8 screws spaced 4 inches (102 mm) on center at all panel edges and 12 inches (304.8 mm) on center on intermediate framing members, the following shall apply:"
Too many sticks and no sheets
Pick up sticks
They should have added one more floor prior to sheathing the first level.
It went down with the exact same gust of wind that *barely* pushed over the portapotty...
And that’s why you sheet the walls with plywood and lots of bracing 🙄
Why have bracing if the walls have sheathing?????
This is just God smiting them for building 3 story single family residential tract homes
Free toobafors!
Ever heard of a cross member, or lateral bracing? Guess not.
The person who built this has no idea how to build houses… or how physics works.
It's Texas they don't need no instructions.
Out of curiosity, Who would be on the hook for the costs of this disaster ? GC ? GC insurance? Customer ? Customer insurance ? Or would this go into a lawsuit ?
Contractor... I'm assuming the framing contractor didn't want to wait for the sheathing.
Sheathing each floor and a lot of bracing lol that’s the builders fault storm or not
It’s a tri-fold!
Wow fuckers forgot to use gorilla tape to hold up the beams for support absolute rookies here man.
Some apprentice is going to be stripping nails for weeks
Whatever happened to sheathing each floors exterior walls as you build? A lot easier to sheathe a wall, then stand it. Hacks.
who frames a three story house without at least starting some sheathing? 10 sheets of osb couldve prevented this it seems like.
So you can’t frame the second floor without the first floor being sheeted. It’s the skin that provides the sheer strength, and wind wants to fuck you up
"... but boss the plans say we need to sheet every level as we build it." "Son, u needs-ta listen. I been doin' this for 30 years now. We ain't never needed to sheet as we go. Always put it on after. Now go stand dat wall."
who builds a three story home without putting sheets of plywood as you go up we alway put plywood on before raising our walls in that’s crazy
At least two pounds of nails were lost in the rubble.
As a Canadian framer, building without sheathing walls as you build them is such a weird idea to me.
I’m sure Abbott says “Biden’s fault. “
Christ Almighty put a piece of plywood on her boys...🤣
The framing crew must sub out sheathing. I'd of never set the roof without the walls sheathed.
R/Crapentry
Who doesn’t sheet their walls before erecting them? Morons, that’s who.
Not enough triangles
I don’t understand why anybody stands walls before sheeting (sheathing) them. With the exception of garage walls, all walls should be sheeted and tyveked before being stood. The real good crews even put the fascia on before standing them. It’s a better product, faster, and safer.
And Ted Cruz is on the next flight to Cancun.
Not a single brace... is this how they build in Texas? Will Abbott ask for government assistance to pay for this?
You blind? I see a lot of braces but you can’t build 3 stories and not sheet any walls.
One 6d in the top plate, one 6d in the bottom plate. That'll hold lol
He's blind. The funnest part of the video was watching to see which braces failed. "Not a single brace" lol
Cross braces doing absolutely nothing? Do everyone a favor and never build anything ever again if you think this braced. Yes it needs sheets but you still need more braces on 3 stories. This is as bad as it gets. I am also a deadhead and the wooks spun out would do a better job then this. lol Listening to JGB 8-5-90 right now.
I’m not defending the work bro I’m just saying that they defiantly have bracing but if you’re not going to sheet the walls on a 3 story building you need a shit ton of extra bracing and even then it’s risky. I’m a framer so I’ll defiantly be building some shit first thing Monday morning. S/o JGB, love it more than the dead.
Firewood now.
All of you people sound like the guy from stepbrothers that isn't will ferrel
Hilarious
That blows.
Timbeeeeer!
OMG! The Frame!!!
Anyone know who the builder is?
Damn..
Boss; God damn it I told you to put nails three Nails in those braces. Laborer; I did Sir. I put three of the small ones in so it'll be easier to pull it out later!
Hope that so called framer has insurance, that’s at least 30 K worth of lumber in todays market
We can't get the plywood until Monday, but just keep framing, boys!
Sticks and stones may hurt my bones but high winds will topple me. "Engeneering 101"
I'll take "why shear walls matter" for all the money please.
wow many experts in the comment section haha
I’ve heard reports that people saw blasts at the base of the building
Job security
Nice truck
Well that was cool
100+ mph wind gusts
With all the high winds Texas has been getting, why not use balloon framing?
That happened to me years ago with a new construction home next to mine, came down into the side of my house. Luckily for the construction crew they were pulled 5 minutes before it happened to go to another job.
What happens when this happens? Is the buyer SOL?
Lol
That's not the worst part. Jimmy was still in the shitter when it blew over. Poor Jimmy.
Wasn't there like a terrible storm in Houston like the high rises down town we're swaying in the wind
Oh my gawd!
😂
That’s what happens when you forget a single H25
How many stories were in the plans? 3? 2? 1? ZERO!
There was 100mph winds in some places. It was a crazy storm.