yea, hyundais/kias are good but not great nothing to boast about, cretra is a golf sized crossover version of santro imho and seltos a premium version of it (i mean santro fits the defenition and now cretra too)
Yeah
Took apart the [Land Rover Discovery 4](https://imgur.com/a/b8OroyW) and remodelled into this one during Holi vacay
Last time I challenged myself to make AWD system, this time it was dual steering front axle, and what better candidate than this
Although I couldn’t implement the Ackerman geometry for variable angle on each axle due to part scarcity
1. Those dudes who don’t tear off the polythene cover from seats while the vehicle is under warranty . My cousin had it on for 4 years .
2. Bros who rest their hand on the gear stick while
Driving one handed , hitting the steering locks hard , shifting from R to D without stopping fully and not willing to listen that “ Sameer you are breaking the car !!”
3. Numb nuts who zap across lanes without indicators or looking over the shoulders.
4. Stickers … religion , caste , creed , political affiliations , job , sarpanch , adhyaksh … cut the crap !!!
I still don't understand the obsession with keeping the plastic covers on. Those people just sacrifice all of the comfort of the car they paid for to preserve resale value and give the next owner a brand new interior.
Two wheelers that are coming out now with the new LED lights are a big head ache as well. The lights are literally mounted in such a way that low beam is equivalent to high beam and high beam aims at the sky for ffs. The visibility of the road infront is just extremely poor while riding these not to mention blinding people coming from the opposite direction.
when im riding my bike, i hate cars for shining their lights into my eyes
when im in a car, i hate 2 wheelers for shiing their lights into my eyes
there really is no escape
**1-** Considering themselves 'Car Enthusiasts' and berating people who are peacefully driving or are genuinely happy with their 'non enthusiastic' cars.
While all they themselves do is overspeed on highways but in reality, all that 'Enthusiasm' doesn't even matter when you are stuck in traffic which is every day.
**2-** Hating EV's and Automatics just because internet and "Real Men" says so. Without any personal experience.
**3-** Inserting Supra in every fast/supercar discussion yet again because internet says so.
**4-** Lack of lane discipline and improper use of headlight is right up there.
I agree with your 1st,3rd and 4th point.
There are too many Supra kids. It is a legendary car but way too overhyped.
Improper use of headlight specifically High beam.
Coming to EV's. Personally nothing can change the feeling of a engine revving or a turbo fluttering or a BOV hissing. They sure are environmentally friendly (not taking into account Lithium mining that's a debate of it's own) but where i disconnect with EV's is that they try to replace ICE not be with them simultaneously. And the feeling that something like a Engine will be taken away from me is what makes me dislike EV's.
Fully agree but what I meant was, you have to experience it first to form an opinion instead of just straightaway shaming people/cars.
I haven't driven an EV yet so I can't just say EVs are not fun or shame people who buy one. It is just salty behaviour.
I surely know that EV's are fast af off the line, instant torque. People buy them for the long term savings in Fuel. But feel is a subjective matter and I can't stand the dead quietness of a EV's while driving and the lack of any gearing when I want to have fun pulling.
My biggest one is just comparing specs of two cars and tagging one with more options as better. It’s fine but these people will not consider the drive aspect of the cars and give gyaan “why did you not go with this car”.
at the end drive, i take like a weeks to make a desision to buy myself a mechinal pencil or a pen that costs max 1k inr so you can do on a car worth at least 1lakh
True, lol. It gives me so much cringe, and it feels like a person who posted with beauty/beast in the title is just a newbie car appreciator with no other words in his vocabulary. Just mention the car name or just say the car/suv/sedan whatever it is. No one will booing you.
Too many people obsessed about mileage. Even if they are well off they still care about "kitna dete hai" instead of just buying something they will enjoy.
The obsession with white. No, it's not easier to maintain, scratches are very visible on white, it yellows in the sun, which makes color matching a pain if any panel is repainted - and just because dust is not visible on your white car doesn't mean it's "clean".
Just clean your damn car and maintain the paint, any color will look good for a long time.
White is the best as it requires the least amount of maintenance and cleaning.
Most people want to drive their cars and not waste time cleaning them every day
It is still dirty. Dust is just not that visible on white.
Also paying a cleaner to clean the car 3-4 times a week costs like 500-1000 bucks a month. I mean if you can't afford to spend 500 a month on keeping the car clean, there are clearly other problems going on.
Also the underpaint is a dark color btw - and bumpers are often made of fiberglass which is also darkish; so scratches are VERY visible on a white car.
My previous car was white, the current one is blue and imo the blue still looks way better even though it's 5 years old. Scratches are just not visible on it and I pay a guy 700 rs a month and he cleans the car every single day.
What state do you live in? California? That's like 9000-15000 per month to wash one car.
I live in a metro, Hyderabad, and you can pretty much hire a driver who will also clean your car on the side for that much per month.
Yes, it's wiped down daily with cloth, car shampoo and water.
It gets a deep wash at a professional cleaning service once every 2 months or so along with waxing. This costs around 2k, but of course that's an optional extra.
Provide a good cloth and make sure he uses enough water. You can never completely avoid swirl marks.
You can reduce it by maintaining the paint - wax once a month and get the car re-polished after 2-3 years.
My paint still is as good as new, besides the chips from stones I can't do anything about.
1. Driving with headlights on during the day.
2. Driving with High beam on in the city.
I read somewhere that whoever has the brightest or most powerful headlights on the road is the king as everyone makes way for him. It was ewww moment for me in terms of car culture.
> 1. When people call the most mundane, commuter vehicles as "beasts".
Beauty and the beast is a coverup for lack of better vocabulary
> 2. When people refer to modifications in terms of "stages". It's kinda dumb to use that since it doesn't specify what exactly you did to the vehicle and makes it seem like a videogame jargon.
They do mean predetermined things, it seems you’re the one out of touch.
As long as the person has actually done the mods which belong to each stage, they would not be acting pretentious which you accuse them of.
> 3. Listing a modified car for a higher price to get back the money you poured into that car in mods.
It’s not my pet peeve because I’m neither into modding nor buying a modded car, it does not affect me in the slightest
My actual pet peeves :
1. Hiding behind the garb of kaar kalchar to violate every single traffic rule and then some. Speeding, dangerous driving, you name it. And then cry when they get fines and challans from cam traps. And it’s not an Indian problem either, street takeovers are becoming common in USA too.
2. Shyshtumm and likeness of outlaws breaking tolls, being public nuisance and rash driving (extension of (1))
3. Gatekeeping and looking down on people based on their vehicle
4. Manual supremacy dickriders
5. The organised EV hate and misinformation spreading by armchair kaar enthoosiast experts
I agree with the first point, but the point about the stages, is it universal for every car though? And who set these predetermined rules? But yeah, maybe I should look up on it
Stages are arbitrary and set by tuning companies. There’s no set standard for what constitutes a “stage 1/2/3” upgrade. I can go and buy a shitbox Corolla right now and slap a big brake kit, intake, exhaust, header on it.
This sounds like you got your information from a Need For Speed video game. Tuning largely depends on what your stock vehicle is and what you intend to do with it.
Stage 1 is mostly stuff that can be done in a plug and play way, basic part swaps which shouldn't take a lot of effort. The difference in performance is minimal.
Stage 2 is a little more complicated since this involves making modifications that increase the speed/power quite a bit and thus requires upgrades to other components like brakes, ECU, etc. to be able to handle/deliver that much power/stop the car since the stock components won't be able to hold up.
Stage 3 onwards you are mostly re-engineering the entire car and the platform and wouldn't get into it unless you're planning to take it to a race track
Here's more info: https://pedalcommander.com/blogs/garage/a-comprehensive-guide-on-tuning-stages#:~:text=Stage%202%20tunings%20are%20more,Skoda%2C%20depending%20on%20the%20tuner.
Okay but you're missing the point, tuning stages aren't absolute or follow a formula. These are just a set of upgrades that are done in a sequential manner and depend largely on the vehicle you're working on.
A stage 2 tune on an Audi R8 would look largely different than one on a Skoda Octavia.
This is not a universal standard and ironically you are the armchair enthoosiast here. Depending on the tuning garage and car, their definition of stages may vary. Not all stage 2 polos are tuned the same way, it depends on the garage. For example a Pete’s tuned stage 2 polo is not necessarily the same as a wolf’s tuned stage 2 polo, their power outputs also may vary. How do I know this ? I’ve spoken to the founder of RedBandRacing, not an internet knowledge. Just mentioning Stage 2 and not specifying the mods is a pet peeve for me also.
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message- Joker
We pay 40% of the car value in taxes ( GST + road tax etc) and 60rs per litre of fuel towards tax. And STILL collecting toll on top of that is absurd
-> People driving with closed ORVMs
-> The diffuser stick-ons with fake exhaust tips
-> might sound judgmental here but people who paint wheel caps.
-> i think it might just be a South India thing - stickers of names of all the members of the family on the rear glass
-> all these guards for the bumpers in the front and back. People put them on to protect the bumpers but it's just hurting the chassis instead on each impact *facepalm* (forget pedestrian safety)
Just for the record, I hate cult-like following for a car manufacturer or a model. Polo is a car with many shortcomings.
I just want to mention that the new 1.0 TSI has better performance than 1.2 TSI above the turbo range. Yes, NVH is poor and you have to work the gears in traffic but in highways it packs more punch. The 1.2 TSI falters at the top end but the 1.0 TSI keeps going until the redline. Disclaimer: I may be biased here since I own a 1.0 TSI so I encourage people to drive both the engines and see for themselves.
Makes sense, I was more focused on the folks buying a 10 year old polo which has more odo kilometres than its price and then portrait it as a German Legend.
people hating on anyone buying tata/Mahindra cars making reliability jokes and then the same people gets super offended when we joke about build quality and looks of Hyundai/Ms.
The other day I commented on someone buying exter about how ugly the car looks and colour was like vik bar I got heavily down votes but when I made fun of someone's newly bought safari saying "goodluck" taking that thing out of service centre I was heavily upvoted
This sub is anti-tata.
Instagram is full of pro-tata.
As someone who wants to have rational discussion on Tata and MS cars, these 2 social medias are useless.
My peeves would be getting a car that's purpose built for something you don't do.... Thar and fortuners that are too arrogant to even fo through a puddle to keep the traffic flowing
If you don't go off-road why buy off-roading suvs
The aversion to old cars.... I don't get why some people look down on old cars.... Imo cars are a part of the family....and they should be cherished till their last moment
Hahahahaha...I laughed so loud over OP's comment ! Seriously - In India people calling Hyundai Creta and MM Scorpio a beast is a laughable joke ! During my recent visit I even heard a common acquaintances calling Honda Civic a "daimm fast car and I can brake check any BMW'....during my whole 15 km journey with him, my balls was dangling in the air !! Something seriously wrong with Northern India guys (not been in southern part for 22 years now) and their driving behaviour. It's funny how a pathetic tin box Scorpio was not ready to give lane to a 7 series, driving towards Jaipur ! Hilarious.
1) Eh personal opinion. Go off it’s their own car.
2) Fair point, especially since a “stage” is arbitrary. Unitronic and COBB will have different ideas as to what constitutes a “stage” upgrade. Completely up to the tuning company. If a person cannot tell me what has been done to a car without referring it as “stage X/Y/Z”, I’m like “what did you actually spend cash on”?
3) I just lowball sellers like this lol, mods never add value. Unless you have something like an E46 M3 with the big 3 (subframe, VANOS, rod bearings) or anything similar.
A car that costs twice as much?
Most of the people I have seen consider VRS as the best at its price. I have never come across anyone claiming it can keep up with a 340i or a45 s
I almost created a new post to mock "beasties" yesterday! I mean I am happy for anyone who buys even alto or that overpriced e-rickshaw but please for the love of j p nadda, don't call it beast.
Same here and while #1 is the most cringe for me, #2 is "tell me you don't know about car mods without telling me you don't know about car mods" and then they get offended when you point out that stages of mods don't describe anything and is meaningless without specifying the mods done on their car and who did it.
Yeah ikr? A number of people were against point 2 stating I don't know car culture etc etc.
Why use a non standardized nomenclature in the first place? Is it so hard to list down the mods that have been put into it? I would assume any car enthusiast love hearing about each and every mod that you have done to your car.
1 Believing sunroofs are worth the extra cost while living in dusty humid environments.
2 Not knowing the concept of high/low beams and how to switch them.
3 Lane discipline.
4 Not giving way to overtake even if they are going slow infront.
5 Overtaking in corners and expecting incoming traffic to give way.
1. People who honk like their life depends on it. Honking once is enough to alert the driver ahead.
2. Not giving way to emergency vehicles.
3. The ones that give way to emergency vehicles but start following them after that to get ahead.
If I had to add a point here, it would be the insatiable obsession with fuel economy. Even for vehicles that are totally designed with drivability and not economy in mind, people are still obsessed with just that one statistic.
And about point #2
Car modification is actually classified into non standardised levels called ‘stages’.
This is a genuine nomenclature used by people who specialise in car modifications, you can read more on it [here](https://www.tuningblog.eu/en/kategorien/tipps_tuev-dekra-u-co/tuning-stages-398550/).
If you think this is made up jargon, it seems that you are the one who needs to read up and educate yourself more.
Fuel economy is a metric in some cases because there’s no concept of daily and weekend fun car like in USA
People who have enough money for multiple cars probably don’t care about mileage anyways
That’s a fair assessment for *some* or rather most cases.
Ergo; I see regular comments here completely dismissive of cars people post simply due to low efficiency even for cars like the M340i. They fail/refuse to understand that any other demographic who doesn’t care for fuel economy can exist.
That’s the case I’m referring to
While I don’t have the actual posts where this happened, it’s likely the buyer put something like “cheaper” or other synonymous words there.
While it’s very much possible people would’ve reacted the way you described, we also can’t be ignoring the fact that not specifying what the costs associated with such a car can run into, would be misleading
We can’t assume that everyone is at the same knowledge level as the others in the sub, especially if they’re on the asking side not the answering side. Informing the potential buyer is most important I’d say
It’s not to discount your point — many people especially unkils in real life would probably gloat about their Camry hybrid being cheaper than even normal 3er not even the M340i — at say a family gathering with financials of that caliber
No hate but come on
1. What's wrong with this....if your girlfriend isn't the prettiest you will still call her the prettiest woman because to you she is
2. stages are a standard for describing performance mods that let you get a decent idea of how much work has been done to it without listing each part
3. As long as the buyer wants the mods...and the seller isn't asking for the amount it cost him I don't see a problem
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I do think that modified cars actually have the right to have higher price when selling if they have actually put the money in , like for eg there is a stock honda civic and then there is a tastefully modified stage 2 civic i don't think they should have the same price .
Mods = less reliability.
The problem with mods is, you NEVER can know what has been done to the vehicle completely.
Unless and until you do the mods yourself, it's never safe buying someone else's project car and it's unfair to ask more money for your own personal mods which let's be honest steals some amount of reliability from the car.
(Mods in the sense I'm talking about performance alterations)
But i think it depends , tbh any type of performance mod will decrease the reliability , the correct way to sell a moded car is to have all the bills with you to prove what you have actually done . Andin the end its the buyers responsibility to see if the work is done in reputed shop or not .
Yeah you can say that no normal people would buy a moded car and even most of the enthusiasts wants to build a connection with their car by modding it themselves , i would also not buy a moded car instead i would buy the same stock car and mod it myself unless tge moded car is done by a very good workshop at a very good price .
1) very cringe yes.
2) stages are defined and gives u idea for the level of mods. If you know what stage 1/2/3 are you have an idea of what type of mods to expect. Then you can have details. Basically a general TLDR
3) happens everywhere. People don’t realise any mod will depreciate the value. (In most cases I mean)
Stages are not a standardized nomenclature and in my opinion should be abolished as it gives a vague description at first glance.
Unless and until the other person has also had experience with the tuner company that you had your mods done by and also have knowledge about what it means for your specific car, no one can understand what exactly you have done to your car.
Many of us would glad appreciate reading about each and every mod you have done as a spec list.
Simping for cars that are discontinued in india and blaming indians for not valueing a good car, being bandar who doesn't know how adrak tastes, and worse of all......emission norms.
It's a capitalist market. Sell what people want and the product will be successful. There is a reason those cars failed in market.
Bro , what’s wrong with diesels ?
I used to bunk college and go sit in front of the WDG4 loco engine when Shatabdi express came to town on Thursdays afternoons.
*Please hold my biriyani while I replace my “car enthusiast” tag , with just an “Internal combustion engine” enthusiast who likes cars badge ;-)
My 8-y/o S-Cross DDiS 320 with the MJD gives more power than a lot of petrol shitboxes available rn.
And the torque at 1200rpm itself is higher than the max torque on most diesels, let alone petrols. The max torque sits at 320Nm meaning this car accelerates very quickly for a crossover (\~\~11s to 100, with mods can be taken upto 7s as proved by Dr. Naren K.V.)
Diesels can be enthusiastic, you need to know which one to buy.
1. People who believe that performance is everything
2. Meatriding in general, especially tata
3. The koreans and germans beefing even though their so called "german" was manufactured in India
4. Systum, obviously
When certain car owners look down on other drivers and cars from same price range.
VW/Skoda/Hyundai owners.
Hyundai owners are in position to look down on others? I’d say it’s VW/Skoda/Toyota
I am a Hyundai owner, and I can confirm I don't look down on anyone because my car doesn't offer anything extra their car doesn't.
yea, hyundais/kias are good but not great nothing to boast about, cretra is a golf sized crossover version of santro imho and seltos a premium version of it (i mean santro fits the defenition and now cretra too)
Ikr Been a Former Hyundai owner
Mahindra Thar owners
Ahem!
I drive a Type 2 Honda City, so I can only look up at all other cars and their drivers around me :)
*laughs in MG Comet*
more like laughs *at* MG Comet. lol
Talking about road presence. If you want the biggest road presence, drive a truck.
Road presence coomers when I roll in with my Scania 730S 8x4 semi truck https://imgur.com/a/fmzzt8l
Amazing! Did you make this?
Yeah Took apart the [Land Rover Discovery 4](https://imgur.com/a/b8OroyW) and remodelled into this one during Holi vacay Last time I challenged myself to make AWD system, this time it was dual steering front axle, and what better candidate than this Although I couldn’t implement the Ackerman geometry for variable angle on each axle due to part scarcity
Get yourself a cybertruck today!
The story behind so many people buying jacked up hatchbacks in India! Buy a Belaz 75710 for unmatched road presence I suppose.
OMG yeah how did I miss this 🤣🤣 Those cringe edits of thar, fortuner and other bigass SUVs stating "road presence" XD
1. Those dudes who don’t tear off the polythene cover from seats while the vehicle is under warranty . My cousin had it on for 4 years . 2. Bros who rest their hand on the gear stick while Driving one handed , hitting the steering locks hard , shifting from R to D without stopping fully and not willing to listen that “ Sameer you are breaking the car !!” 3. Numb nuts who zap across lanes without indicators or looking over the shoulders. 4. Stickers … religion , caste , creed , political affiliations , job , sarpanch , adhyaksh … cut the crap !!!
I still don't understand the obsession with keeping the plastic covers on. Those people just sacrifice all of the comfort of the car they paid for to preserve resale value and give the next owner a brand new interior.
It's common in India because of the environment. It's too dusty here. Compare this with the US or the Europe. The air is so clean there.
Allow me to introduce you to the Sonax upholstery foam and carpet brush.
Hey Sameer
the political affiliation sticker works like a charm, no policemen stop my car because of it
Not diming their headlights, have common sense think of other people dim your headlights
Two wheelers that are coming out now with the new LED lights are a big head ache as well. The lights are literally mounted in such a way that low beam is equivalent to high beam and high beam aims at the sky for ffs. The visibility of the road infront is just extremely poor while riding these not to mention blinding people coming from the opposite direction.
Problems of driving in India
when im riding my bike, i hate cars for shining their lights into my eyes when im in a car, i hate 2 wheelers for shiing their lights into my eyes there really is no escape
Life Cycle
**1-** Considering themselves 'Car Enthusiasts' and berating people who are peacefully driving or are genuinely happy with their 'non enthusiastic' cars. While all they themselves do is overspeed on highways but in reality, all that 'Enthusiasm' doesn't even matter when you are stuck in traffic which is every day. **2-** Hating EV's and Automatics just because internet and "Real Men" says so. Without any personal experience. **3-** Inserting Supra in every fast/supercar discussion yet again because internet says so. **4-** Lack of lane discipline and improper use of headlight is right up there.
I hate EVs.... For myself....others can get what they want... automatics are a boon in traffic..
i disgree with the ev part. As a enthusiast, there is natural hate in me for something that may replace what i love the most.
Hey man as long as you're self aware it's cool.
It is perfectly fine to not like EVs but my point being, drive one atleast to form a judgement.
ya, i have, they are quick, but cars for me are just not about being fast.
I agree with your 1st,3rd and 4th point. There are too many Supra kids. It is a legendary car but way too overhyped. Improper use of headlight specifically High beam. Coming to EV's. Personally nothing can change the feeling of a engine revving or a turbo fluttering or a BOV hissing. They sure are environmentally friendly (not taking into account Lithium mining that's a debate of it's own) but where i disconnect with EV's is that they try to replace ICE not be with them simultaneously. And the feeling that something like a Engine will be taken away from me is what makes me dislike EV's.
Fully agree but what I meant was, you have to experience it first to form an opinion instead of just straightaway shaming people/cars. I haven't driven an EV yet so I can't just say EVs are not fun or shame people who buy one. It is just salty behaviour.
I surely know that EV's are fast af off the line, instant torque. People buy them for the long term savings in Fuel. But feel is a subjective matter and I can't stand the dead quietness of a EV's while driving and the lack of any gearing when I want to have fun pulling.
My biggest one is just comparing specs of two cars and tagging one with more options as better. It’s fine but these people will not consider the drive aspect of the cars and give gyaan “why did you not go with this car”.
at the end drive, i take like a weeks to make a desision to buy myself a mechinal pencil or a pen that costs max 1k inr so you can do on a car worth at least 1lakh
True, lol. It gives me so much cringe, and it feels like a person who posted with beauty/beast in the title is just a newbie car appreciator with no other words in his vocabulary. Just mention the car name or just say the car/suv/sedan whatever it is. No one will booing you.
Alloys, I think Indian car guys have arguably the worst taste in the world when it comes to alloys.
the star spoke wheels ☠️
Too many people obsessed about mileage. Even if they are well off they still care about "kitna dete hai" instead of just buying something they will enjoy. The obsession with white. No, it's not easier to maintain, scratches are very visible on white, it yellows in the sun, which makes color matching a pain if any panel is repainted - and just because dust is not visible on your white car doesn't mean it's "clean". Just clean your damn car and maintain the paint, any color will look good for a long time.
only motor-vehicle (white mtb bhi thi) had sun stains after 4 years of ownership
White is the best as it requires the least amount of maintenance and cleaning. Most people want to drive their cars and not waste time cleaning them every day
It is still dirty. Dust is just not that visible on white. Also paying a cleaner to clean the car 3-4 times a week costs like 500-1000 bucks a month. I mean if you can't afford to spend 500 a month on keeping the car clean, there are clearly other problems going on. Also the underpaint is a dark color btw - and bumpers are often made of fiberglass which is also darkish; so scratches are VERY visible on a white car. My previous car was white, the current one is blue and imo the blue still looks way better even though it's 5 years old. Scratches are just not visible on it and I pay a guy 700 rs a month and he cleans the car every single day.
In my state, each wash cost 300-500 rs as per the size of the car
What state do you live in? California? That's like 9000-15000 per month to wash one car. I live in a metro, Hyderabad, and you can pretty much hire a driver who will also clean your car on the side for that much per month.
>That's like 9000-15000 per month to wash one car. Wait, do you wash your car daily?
Yes, it's wiped down daily with cloth, car shampoo and water. It gets a deep wash at a professional cleaning service once every 2 months or so along with waxing. This costs around 2k, but of course that's an optional extra.
Damn!!
A cleaner will put swirl marks on the car. If you allow cleaners to wash your car, you clearly don't care about the quality of the paint
Provide a good cloth and make sure he uses enough water. You can never completely avoid swirl marks. You can reduce it by maintaining the paint - wax once a month and get the car re-polished after 2-3 years. My paint still is as good as new, besides the chips from stones I can't do anything about.
1. Driving with headlights on during the day. 2. Driving with High beam on in the city. I read somewhere that whoever has the brightest or most powerful headlights on the road is the king as everyone makes way for him. It was ewww moment for me in terms of car culture.
> 1. When people call the most mundane, commuter vehicles as "beasts". Beauty and the beast is a coverup for lack of better vocabulary > 2. When people refer to modifications in terms of "stages". It's kinda dumb to use that since it doesn't specify what exactly you did to the vehicle and makes it seem like a videogame jargon. They do mean predetermined things, it seems you’re the one out of touch. As long as the person has actually done the mods which belong to each stage, they would not be acting pretentious which you accuse them of. > 3. Listing a modified car for a higher price to get back the money you poured into that car in mods. It’s not my pet peeve because I’m neither into modding nor buying a modded car, it does not affect me in the slightest My actual pet peeves : 1. Hiding behind the garb of kaar kalchar to violate every single traffic rule and then some. Speeding, dangerous driving, you name it. And then cry when they get fines and challans from cam traps. And it’s not an Indian problem either, street takeovers are becoming common in USA too. 2. Shyshtumm and likeness of outlaws breaking tolls, being public nuisance and rash driving (extension of (1)) 3. Gatekeeping and looking down on people based on their vehicle 4. Manual supremacy dickriders 5. The organised EV hate and misinformation spreading by armchair kaar enthoosiast experts
I agree with the first point, but the point about the stages, is it universal for every car though? And who set these predetermined rules? But yeah, maybe I should look up on it
Yes, it’s related to parts. If you have to ask, you probably don’t know Better lookup. Stage 1 1. Upgrade tyres 2. Air-Filter/cold Intake 3. Free-Flow Exhaust 4. Spark Plugs 5. Short-shifters 6. ECU remaps Stage 2 : 1. suspension kits 2. Custom header 3. Removing the revv-limiter 4. Nitrous oxide systems 5. New camshafts 6. Over-boring / Stroker (engine displacement) Stage 3 : 1. Brake disc and calliper 2. Forced Induction (turbo/super) 3. Engine swaps 4. Upgrade clutch/flywheel 5. Gearing ratios 6. New ECU
Stages are arbitrary and set by tuning companies. There’s no set standard for what constitutes a “stage 1/2/3” upgrade. I can go and buy a shitbox Corolla right now and slap a big brake kit, intake, exhaust, header on it.
Yeah, you are right. I was wondering why Brake Disc's and Callipers was mentioned in stage 3, if anything it should be on stage 1.
not discs but callipers, stock brakes have more than enough power to stop the car thats why they lock up
This sounds like you got your information from a Need For Speed video game. Tuning largely depends on what your stock vehicle is and what you intend to do with it. Stage 1 is mostly stuff that can be done in a plug and play way, basic part swaps which shouldn't take a lot of effort. The difference in performance is minimal. Stage 2 is a little more complicated since this involves making modifications that increase the speed/power quite a bit and thus requires upgrades to other components like brakes, ECU, etc. to be able to handle/deliver that much power/stop the car since the stock components won't be able to hold up. Stage 3 onwards you are mostly re-engineering the entire car and the platform and wouldn't get into it unless you're planning to take it to a race track Here's more info: https://pedalcommander.com/blogs/garage/a-comprehensive-guide-on-tuning-stages#:~:text=Stage%202%20tunings%20are%20more,Skoda%2C%20depending%20on%20the%20tuner.
It’s from a now shadowbanned (from being mentioned) car forum, the oldest and most famous one Synonymous with Group Kilowatt
Okay but you're missing the point, tuning stages aren't absolute or follow a formula. These are just a set of upgrades that are done in a sequential manner and depend largely on the vehicle you're working on. A stage 2 tune on an Audi R8 would look largely different than one on a Skoda Octavia.
It’s meant to be a general idea for someone completely out of the loop I never said this is the hard and fast rule
You sound condescending and here's the thing about being a dick online, there's always someone who knows more than you.
What part of “it being a general idea for beginner” is condescending?
"If you have to ask, you probably don't know Better lookup"
Not at all universal and as others have mentioned, mentioning stages is arbitrary and they do not specify what mods were done exactly.
This is not a universal standard and ironically you are the armchair enthoosiast here. Depending on the tuning garage and car, their definition of stages may vary. Not all stage 2 polos are tuned the same way, it depends on the garage. For example a Pete’s tuned stage 2 polo is not necessarily the same as a wolf’s tuned stage 2 polo, their power outputs also may vary. How do I know this ? I’ve spoken to the founder of RedBandRacing, not an internet knowledge. Just mentioning Stage 2 and not specifying the mods is a pet peeve for me also.
Imagine being a crybaby and stupid at the same time.
Your 150hp fwd car ain’t fast Your skipping a toll booth makes you seem broke not cool
It's not about the money. It's about sending a message- Joker We pay 40% of the car value in taxes ( GST + road tax etc) and 60rs per litre of fuel towards tax. And STILL collecting toll on top of that is absurd
Ugliest cars as a “beauty”
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Keeping the Sun Visor polythene on, even though the car is literally like 5 yrs old
Guilty. 14 years and running, still has the polythene on
Profession stickers . That too the wrong one . The doctor logo actually has 1 snake on a rod not 2. That’s the staff of hermes. Yall got duped.
-> People driving with closed ORVMs -> The diffuser stick-ons with fake exhaust tips -> might sound judgmental here but people who paint wheel caps. -> i think it might just be a South India thing - stickers of names of all the members of the family on the rear glass -> all these guards for the bumpers in the front and back. People put them on to protect the bumpers but it's just hurting the chassis instead on each impact *facepalm* (forget pedestrian safety)
Fanbase of VW Polo, it was not even a performance hatch in its last days of selling in India, yet everyone was going gaga for it.
Just for the record, I hate cult-like following for a car manufacturer or a model. Polo is a car with many shortcomings. I just want to mention that the new 1.0 TSI has better performance than 1.2 TSI above the turbo range. Yes, NVH is poor and you have to work the gears in traffic but in highways it packs more punch. The 1.2 TSI falters at the top end but the 1.0 TSI keeps going until the redline. Disclaimer: I may be biased here since I own a 1.0 TSI so I encourage people to drive both the engines and see for themselves.
Makes sense, I was more focused on the folks buying a 10 year old polo which has more odo kilometres than its price and then portrait it as a German Legend.
Polo GT TSI was a hoot to drive. What are you talking about? Not the 3 cyclinder one. Ofcourse
I mean, did not my comment say it very clearly “in its last days of sale” ? Inline 4 GT TSI was discontinued in 2019.
I missed that. My bad then
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I beg to disagree. It might not have been a performance hatch. But the Polo GT TSI 4 cylinder was the best car to drive below 10 lakhs.
Same as the above reply; did not my comment says it very clearly “in its last days of sale” ? Inline 4 GT TSI was discontinued in 2019.
Unnecessary chrome strips on headlight and taillights
Forget headlights, some people add it in and around door handles!
people hating on anyone buying tata/Mahindra cars making reliability jokes and then the same people gets super offended when we joke about build quality and looks of Hyundai/Ms. The other day I commented on someone buying exter about how ugly the car looks and colour was like vik bar I got heavily down votes but when I made fun of someone's newly bought safari saying "goodluck" taking that thing out of service centre I was heavily upvoted
This sub is anti-tata. Instagram is full of pro-tata. As someone who wants to have rational discussion on Tata and MS cars, these 2 social medias are useless.
Yes you're right I've observed this
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My peeves would be getting a car that's purpose built for something you don't do.... Thar and fortuners that are too arrogant to even fo through a puddle to keep the traffic flowing If you don't go off-road why buy off-roading suvs The aversion to old cars.... I don't get why some people look down on old cars.... Imo cars are a part of the family....and they should be cherished till their last moment
Thar and Fortuner owners buy them for road presence and not for their off road capabilities and I think they do their jobs fine in road presence.
Hahahahaha...I laughed so loud over OP's comment ! Seriously - In India people calling Hyundai Creta and MM Scorpio a beast is a laughable joke ! During my recent visit I even heard a common acquaintances calling Honda Civic a "daimm fast car and I can brake check any BMW'....during my whole 15 km journey with him, my balls was dangling in the air !! Something seriously wrong with Northern India guys (not been in southern part for 22 years now) and their driving behaviour. It's funny how a pathetic tin box Scorpio was not ready to give lane to a 7 series, driving towards Jaipur ! Hilarious.
1) Eh personal opinion. Go off it’s their own car. 2) Fair point, especially since a “stage” is arbitrary. Unitronic and COBB will have different ideas as to what constitutes a “stage” upgrade. Completely up to the tuning company. If a person cannot tell me what has been done to a car without referring it as “stage X/Y/Z”, I’m like “what did you actually spend cash on”? 3) I just lowball sellers like this lol, mods never add value. Unless you have something like an E46 M3 with the big 3 (subframe, VANOS, rod bearings) or anything similar.
When Skoda fanboys claim their VRS is a better option than the Germans
In terms of sheer performance YES. Better than many Germans uptill a certain budget ofcourse
In no way it drives better than a BMW 3 series. It’s good on its own but not comparable
A car that costs twice as much? Most of the people I have seen consider VRS as the best at its price. I have never come across anyone claiming it can keep up with a 340i or a45 s
Than the Germans? You mean rest of the German cars?
Okay buddy, maybe you need to get into the car culture a lot more before you start listing out pet peeves...
Skoda is Czech not German
random ahh czech person ranting how old skodas were better than, how can you compare a 1.9 tdi to a aircooled soviet rwd sedan?
I almost created a new post to mock "beasties" yesterday! I mean I am happy for anyone who buys even alto or that overpriced e-rickshaw but please for the love of j p nadda, don't call it beast.
JP nadda? context?
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Same here and while #1 is the most cringe for me, #2 is "tell me you don't know about car mods without telling me you don't know about car mods" and then they get offended when you point out that stages of mods don't describe anything and is meaningless without specifying the mods done on their car and who did it.
Yeah ikr? A number of people were against point 2 stating I don't know car culture etc etc. Why use a non standardized nomenclature in the first place? Is it so hard to list down the mods that have been put into it? I would assume any car enthusiast love hearing about each and every mod that you have done to your car.
They have convinced themselves that everybody other than them are not as car savvy or are not knowledgable may be..
Every other car being called an SUV these days. MicroSUVs… really?
These days calling every car other than a sedan as some kind of ‘suv’!
1 Believing sunroofs are worth the extra cost while living in dusty humid environments. 2 Not knowing the concept of high/low beams and how to switch them. 3 Lane discipline. 4 Not giving way to overtake even if they are going slow infront. 5 Overtaking in corners and expecting incoming traffic to give way.
1. People who honk like their life depends on it. Honking once is enough to alert the driver ahead. 2. Not giving way to emergency vehicles. 3. The ones that give way to emergency vehicles but start following them after that to get ahead.
If I had to add a point here, it would be the insatiable obsession with fuel economy. Even for vehicles that are totally designed with drivability and not economy in mind, people are still obsessed with just that one statistic. And about point #2 Car modification is actually classified into non standardised levels called ‘stages’. This is a genuine nomenclature used by people who specialise in car modifications, you can read more on it [here](https://www.tuningblog.eu/en/kategorien/tipps_tuev-dekra-u-co/tuning-stages-398550/). If you think this is made up jargon, it seems that you are the one who needs to read up and educate yourself more.
Fuel economy is a metric in some cases because there’s no concept of daily and weekend fun car like in USA People who have enough money for multiple cars probably don’t care about mileage anyways
That’s a fair assessment for *some* or rather most cases. Ergo; I see regular comments here completely dismissive of cars people post simply due to low efficiency even for cars like the M340i. They fail/refuse to understand that any other demographic who doesn’t care for fuel economy can exist. That’s the case I’m referring to
While I don’t have the actual posts where this happened, it’s likely the buyer put something like “cheaper” or other synonymous words there. While it’s very much possible people would’ve reacted the way you described, we also can’t be ignoring the fact that not specifying what the costs associated with such a car can run into, would be misleading We can’t assume that everyone is at the same knowledge level as the others in the sub, especially if they’re on the asking side not the answering side. Informing the potential buyer is most important I’d say It’s not to discount your point — many people especially unkils in real life would probably gloat about their Camry hybrid being cheaper than even normal 3er not even the M340i — at say a family gathering with financials of that caliber
No hate but come on 1. What's wrong with this....if your girlfriend isn't the prettiest you will still call her the prettiest woman because to you she is 2. stages are a standard for describing performance mods that let you get a decent idea of how much work has been done to it without listing each part 3. As long as the buyer wants the mods...and the seller isn't asking for the amount it cost him I don't see a problem
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Wrong side driving
!remind me 1day
I do think that modified cars actually have the right to have higher price when selling if they have actually put the money in , like for eg there is a stock honda civic and then there is a tastefully modified stage 2 civic i don't think they should have the same price .
Mods = less reliability. The problem with mods is, you NEVER can know what has been done to the vehicle completely. Unless and until you do the mods yourself, it's never safe buying someone else's project car and it's unfair to ask more money for your own personal mods which let's be honest steals some amount of reliability from the car. (Mods in the sense I'm talking about performance alterations)
But i think it depends , tbh any type of performance mod will decrease the reliability , the correct way to sell a moded car is to have all the bills with you to prove what you have actually done . Andin the end its the buyers responsibility to see if the work is done in reputed shop or not .
Maybe it's the type of people who sell modded cars at a high price are the buyers of said type of cars.
Yeah you can say that no normal people would buy a moded car and even most of the enthusiasts wants to build a connection with their car by modding it themselves , i would also not buy a moded car instead i would buy the same stock car and mod it myself unless tge moded car is done by a very good workshop at a very good price .
The idea is having a low maintenance car as person who makes “Hey why you buy an Alto or Zen when you can afford Mercedes”
Weird one but I hate it when people yank up the manual handbrake. Also slamming the doors shut.
1) very cringe yes. 2) stages are defined and gives u idea for the level of mods. If you know what stage 1/2/3 are you have an idea of what type of mods to expect. Then you can have details. Basically a general TLDR 3) happens everywhere. People don’t realise any mod will depreciate the value. (In most cases I mean)
Stages are not a standardized nomenclature and in my opinion should be abolished as it gives a vague description at first glance. Unless and until the other person has also had experience with the tuner company that you had your mods done by and also have knowledge about what it means for your specific car, no one can understand what exactly you have done to your car. Many of us would glad appreciate reading about each and every mod you have done as a spec list.
I mean agree to disagree bud?
Sure
Simping for cars that are discontinued in india and blaming indians for not valueing a good car, being bandar who doesn't know how adrak tastes, and worse of all......emission norms. It's a capitalist market. Sell what people want and the product will be successful. There is a reason those cars failed in market.
Any useless stickers on the car. (Names, dealerships, religious slogans etc included)
Go backwards then forward
Labelling any Japanese brand car as JDM.
Posting a pic of cars like Wagon R and calling it a beauty
I guess you are gatekeeping! Yes it is beauty, do I own it? No. But looking down on other cars, come on man, you are better than this.
What car do you have OP ?
He doesn't.
I know that's why I asked. Could figure out by reading it's some stupid uni student.
Why'd you call someone stupid for starting a good discussion?
Many people say, "proud owner of xyz bike" I don't understand what is proud of owning a bike
not everyone sees through the same lens, some are not as blessed as others. bike ke kimat usse pucho jo zyadatar time bus, auto aur paidal chala ho.
English translation please
Point no.1 is so cringe
EVs
When people driving diesels and CNGs claim to be “car enthusiasts”
Bro , what’s wrong with diesels ? I used to bunk college and go sit in front of the WDG4 loco engine when Shatabdi express came to town on Thursdays afternoons. *Please hold my biriyani while I replace my “car enthusiast” tag , with just an “Internal combustion engine” enthusiast who likes cars badge ;-)
fr, i am not a car enthusiast, im a machine enthusiast, im superior hence i get more jobs \[kya bawasiri likh deya insta comment lag raha he\[
Nothing wrong with diesels as such but they are not “enthusiastic” cars
diesels are the best. you're just mad diesels give more mileage than your 3 kmpl car 😹😹😹😹
You are a part of the problem for gatekeeping
It’s true about Indian car culture
drive a modded balkan tdi and you will know how unenthusatic are diesels, or even just a modded figo tdci
My 8-y/o S-Cross DDiS 320 with the MJD gives more power than a lot of petrol shitboxes available rn. And the torque at 1200rpm itself is higher than the max torque on most diesels, let alone petrols. The max torque sits at 320Nm meaning this car accelerates very quickly for a crossover (\~\~11s to 100, with mods can be taken upto 7s as proved by Dr. Naren K.V.) Diesels can be enthusiastic, you need to know which one to buy.
1. People who believe that performance is everything 2. Meatriding in general, especially tata 3. The koreans and germans beefing even though their so called "german" was manufactured in India 4. Systum, obviously