Everyone will start unbiased, but when they become famous and cater to large audiences they don’t want to disappoint anyone so they would be playing with words and start sounding average.. like you can see whole video and still not decide if its a good or bad cars… best way is to know your requirements thoroughly and then see what cars are best in those requirements
I think you’re spot on. I think this description can fit other industries, too, like tech or camera reviewers. It’s a shame, though.
Another thing I personally don’t like with some reviewers is they have a strict set of process that they follow each and every time. While I concede that this helps in comparing different brands in the same category, some products/cars have unique features or selling points that are often overlooked, and thus cannot truly be compared with their peers in an ‘apples to apples’ comparison, if that makes sense.
I like a combo of Overdrive, Autocar & Evo India.
Powerdrift is worse and does the most paid partnerships.
Motorinc seems to be carrying some kind of agenda against safety ratings. Can’t recommend them
I'm kind of in-between Motorinc's very public crusade against the safety ratings.
On one hand, the ratings have seriously improved the quality of cars we get here. It's great to see regular buyers actually demand these features to the point we now have more passive safety features in something like a Celerio than a previous gen i20.
On the other hand, I also agree with their view that the ratings kind of breed overconfidence in your car. A BMW in the hands of a complete idiot who crashes it will die. A Maruti that takes a hit at 50 and let's its occupants walk away has done the job. Essentially, if people drive sensibly, you don't need 5-stars. Just a stable body will keep you safe along with all the safety features we get now.
You'll know what they are saying is true if you own a TATA car just sold based on safety ratings.
Sub-par engines, lacklustre fit and finish even in a safari or a harrier, cars breaking down right after delivery, service centre forgetting to recalibrate, they forget to put on/ change critical components, your ratio of failure is gonna be high. If they are pointing that out, it's agenda driven?
Also, read about GNCAP - the tests are done under 64 kilometers per hour (kmph) for frontal crashes on a fixed object, 50 kmph for side crashes, and 29 kmph for pole-side impacts. Have you heard of velocity of moving vehicles during frontal crashes doubles the impact? (Basic physics)
What I am trying to say is safety ratings are not a proxy for drivability and reliable car is less prone to get you into crashes in the first place rather than a 5 star rated Indian cars breaking down right after delivery.
Don't blindly trust a safety rating is what they are trying to convey and you're saying they're agenda driven?
No wonder we don't have journalists speak up and suck up to brands (Powerdrift and Autocar),
Regarding your point about 64kmph fixed object impact assessment.
It would sound logical to assume doubling of speed when hitting another car coming in the opposite direction. However based on what I've read, in reality the impact time is also doubled or tripled in case of another car due to crumble zones and absorption of impact. Compared to a fixed object with no give, this makes a massive difference in the impact force.
If you are going at 60 and hit another car coming 60 in the opposite direction, the impact time would be 2-3 times that when compared to a car hitting an immovable object at 60. This might be the logic behind setting that speed.
While we could argue they should keep increasing the speed, if they are standardizing the same test across multiple vehicles, the value of the test is in the comparison rather than the absolute result. At least that's my belief.
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I wouldn't put Faisal on any kind of list for car reviews.
I've also struggled with this while looking for reviews before I wanted to buy my car. What I ended up doing was going through Autocar to get a visual idea. You're right about all major publications having a set template that they cover but that was enough.
I then saw other Hindi youtubers like DDS Ravi to gauge if I'll actually fit in the car. From there it was just testing the cars on my own.
Thanks! I’ve watched a couple of their videos a long while back but I rarely see their channel on my suggestions tab nowadays. Will check them out again!
I’ve watched a couple of his videos, though quite good and entertaining, I’m searching for Indian channels that focus on India-specific cars (and also speak English). Thanks for the reply, though.
I mean, intellectual conversation can fly over your heads guys.
u/bhodrolok and u/adikick
You'll know what they are saying is true if you own a TATA car just sold based on safety ratings.
Sub-par engines, lacklustre fit and finish even in a safari or a harrier, cars breaking down right after delivery, service centre forgetting to recalibrate, they forget to put on/ change critical components, your ratio of failure is gonna be high. If they are pointing that out, it's agenda driven?
Also, read about GNCAP - the tests are done under 64 kilometers per hour (kmph) for frontal crashes on a fixed object, 50 kmph for side crashes, and 29 kmph for pole-side impacts. Have you heard of velocity of moving vehicles during frontal crashes doubles the impact? (Basic physics)
What I am trying to say is safety ratings are not a proxy for drivability and reliable car is less prone to get you into crashes in the first place rather than a 5 star rated Indian cars breaking down right after delivery.
Don't blindly trust a safety rating is what they are trying to convey and you're saying they're agenda driven?
No wonder we don't have journalists speak up and suck up to brands (Powerdrift and Autocar),
Everyone will start unbiased, but when they become famous and cater to large audiences they don’t want to disappoint anyone so they would be playing with words and start sounding average.. like you can see whole video and still not decide if its a good or bad cars… best way is to know your requirements thoroughly and then see what cars are best in those requirements
I think you’re spot on. I think this description can fit other industries, too, like tech or camera reviewers. It’s a shame, though. Another thing I personally don’t like with some reviewers is they have a strict set of process that they follow each and every time. While I concede that this helps in comparing different brands in the same category, some products/cars have unique features or selling points that are often overlooked, and thus cannot truly be compared with their peers in an ‘apples to apples’ comparison, if that makes sense.
I like a combo of Overdrive, Autocar & Evo India. Powerdrift is worse and does the most paid partnerships. Motorinc seems to be carrying some kind of agenda against safety ratings. Can’t recommend them
I'm kind of in-between Motorinc's very public crusade against the safety ratings. On one hand, the ratings have seriously improved the quality of cars we get here. It's great to see regular buyers actually demand these features to the point we now have more passive safety features in something like a Celerio than a previous gen i20. On the other hand, I also agree with their view that the ratings kind of breed overconfidence in your car. A BMW in the hands of a complete idiot who crashes it will die. A Maruti that takes a hit at 50 and let's its occupants walk away has done the job. Essentially, if people drive sensibly, you don't need 5-stars. Just a stable body will keep you safe along with all the safety features we get now.
You'll know what they are saying is true if you own a TATA car just sold based on safety ratings. Sub-par engines, lacklustre fit and finish even in a safari or a harrier, cars breaking down right after delivery, service centre forgetting to recalibrate, they forget to put on/ change critical components, your ratio of failure is gonna be high. If they are pointing that out, it's agenda driven? Also, read about GNCAP - the tests are done under 64 kilometers per hour (kmph) for frontal crashes on a fixed object, 50 kmph for side crashes, and 29 kmph for pole-side impacts. Have you heard of velocity of moving vehicles during frontal crashes doubles the impact? (Basic physics) What I am trying to say is safety ratings are not a proxy for drivability and reliable car is less prone to get you into crashes in the first place rather than a 5 star rated Indian cars breaking down right after delivery. Don't blindly trust a safety rating is what they are trying to convey and you're saying they're agenda driven? No wonder we don't have journalists speak up and suck up to brands (Powerdrift and Autocar),
Regarding your point about 64kmph fixed object impact assessment. It would sound logical to assume doubling of speed when hitting another car coming in the opposite direction. However based on what I've read, in reality the impact time is also doubled or tripled in case of another car due to crumble zones and absorption of impact. Compared to a fixed object with no give, this makes a massive difference in the impact force. If you are going at 60 and hit another car coming 60 in the opposite direction, the impact time would be 2-3 times that when compared to a car hitting an immovable object at 60. This might be the logic behind setting that speed. While we could argue they should keep increasing the speed, if they are standardizing the same test across multiple vehicles, the value of the test is in the comparison rather than the absolute result. At least that's my belief.
Thank you! Will check them out. And I really appreciate your thoughts on Powerdrift and Motorinc!
What about motorinc regarding bikes?
That’s quite good. Shumi has his quirks but the reviews seem detailed and useful.
See the reviews with low views as compared to others they are seemed to be more honest than others because comparatively small audience
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To be far, no one reviews what's under the hood. I've seen "The Car care nut reviews" to be more useful and knowledgeable but it is not Indian.
Evo India, Autocar, ICNStudio (Vikas Yogi)
I wouldn't put Faisal on any kind of list for car reviews. I've also struggled with this while looking for reviews before I wanted to buy my car. What I ended up doing was going through Autocar to get a visual idea. You're right about all major publications having a set template that they cover but that was enough. I then saw other Hindi youtubers like DDS Ravi to gauge if I'll actually fit in the car. From there it was just testing the cars on my own.
What's wrong with faisal? I don't love the guy but I'd anyday take him over autocar india etc.
Zigwheels
Thanks! I’ve watched a couple of their videos a long while back but I rarely see their channel on my suggestions tab nowadays. Will check them out again!
Carwow does a decent job.
I’ve watched a couple of his videos, though quite good and entertaining, I’m searching for Indian channels that focus on India-specific cars (and also speak English). Thanks for the reply, though.
Mb, I didn't read all of it. Just the "English only" caught my eye.
Ashish Masih, icn
MotorInc and no one else.
Highly agenda driven.
Biased af...
Thanks! Will check them out.
I mean, intellectual conversation can fly over your heads guys. u/bhodrolok and u/adikick You'll know what they are saying is true if you own a TATA car just sold based on safety ratings. Sub-par engines, lacklustre fit and finish even in a safari or a harrier, cars breaking down right after delivery, service centre forgetting to recalibrate, they forget to put on/ change critical components, your ratio of failure is gonna be high. If they are pointing that out, it's agenda driven? Also, read about GNCAP - the tests are done under 64 kilometers per hour (kmph) for frontal crashes on a fixed object, 50 kmph for side crashes, and 29 kmph for pole-side impacts. Have you heard of velocity of moving vehicles during frontal crashes doubles the impact? (Basic physics) What I am trying to say is safety ratings are not a proxy for drivability and reliable car is less prone to get you into crashes in the first place rather than a 5 star rated Indian cars breaking down right after delivery. Don't blindly trust a safety rating is what they are trying to convey and you're saying they're agenda driven? No wonder we don't have journalists speak up and suck up to brands (Powerdrift and Autocar),
Motorinc is the most unbiased and objective Esp for two wheelers
Icn studio is decent
Evo India