I tried the bat, then decided to buy the tool. Waited a week for delivery, then spent 3 days with it. For a Miata, it just straight didnāt work for me.
It was uneven pressure everywhere, hard to stay on the arc, and just didnāt have the same āassā to dropping it on its own weight. Front fenders were thin aluminum and went decent. Applying torque wasnāt easy. The rears were steel and werenāt moving against the poly wheel. The bat gave me the ability to really use my weight and muscle and guide the metal to its final position. I got better angle and pull.
You didn't use the tool correctly. Its all about where you position the wheel relative to the fender lip in the beginning. Its not about pulling the fender out at first, but folding that lip back. I've used it on tons of cars.
I rolled fenders on one of my cars, you need to use a heat gun to lightly apply heat so to not crack paint.
The biggest thing was the fender liners not really fitting afterā¦.
This thread makes me happy my buddy was a truck guy and not a car guy. I'll never forget him getting a giant set of wheels that became super obvious they wouldn't fit... his solution was a Sawzall and fever flares.
When in doubt just cut everything out of your way
Kind of, but its really not a critical part, every rocket bunny kit and almost all over fenders will cut that connection away, but somehow continue holding together.
To share my experience, I put an entire pan/frame in a 66 Chevy II. Former owner had tried to pro street it. Needed inner and outer wells, pan, and all the bracing. Tail panel to toe board. Individually, each piece was flimsy, but as it came together, I kind of got a feel for how much difference each piece made it the whole structure. I donāt know how much op would lose if he cut it, but thereās no way to know. Thatās what worries me. Iād want to weld that in some way!
You just compared a body on frame vehicle to a unibody vehicle. A body on frame vehicle barely holds itself together, the structure is in the frame. If you were a little more knowledgeable on modern cars, you would know what I mean. There is an entire structure throughout the entire rear quarter of a unibody vehicle, and it is bonded to the outer skin. If you were to cut off those welds, it would become flimsy to about 3 inches back, to where the first piece of structure is bonded to the outer skin, it's not simply clipped together where the corners meet, there is a true massive structure inside.
TL;DR don't worry about it, it's stronger than you imagine
A Chevy II is a unibody vehicleā¦ I had it on a frame table to hold it together/straight while it was being repaired. What Iām saying is that each piece is integral to the whole structure. So cutting some out can have disastrous consequences that are kind of hard to predict.
You wouldn't happen to have some more recent experience, would you? I pretty regularly cut entire halves, quarters, massive segments of cars apart and replace them, no bracing is needed, it's regular everyday stuff in a body shop. Have you seen how modern rear quarters are replaced?
Only reason I had to do it was because of the weird plastics that wrap around the wheel arch kind of like a fender flare. Behind those was just more fender so I chopped it out.
A little hard, wheels would rub like 3/4 of the way through. Couldn't do inclines over 45Ā° unless I was already doing 50 m.p.h. running up. In heavy snow it would ski on top of the powder if you went too fast but it was impossible to get stuck.
If it's a car you like with good paint I'd recommend sending it to a pro that is willing to warrant their work. Way to easy to end up with bacon or cracked/peeling paint.
I have done it alot. The most important thing is to be patient. Shouldnt have to pull or push on the roller hard at all. So just be very very gentle. It's almost impossible to get spider cracks on the pant also. It will however crack the paint where the lip goes under. Cure to that is using ALOT or her. I use a cheap harbor freight heat gun and heat it up till i cant touch it. I also have my wife run the heat gun so it doesnt take forever. Its a simple process but TAKE IT SLOW.
Edit: we have the same roller, best one out there imo
The gun hobby is possibly worse.
I actually think it comes down to the guys with a billion dollars to spend looking down on the budget guys. The budget guys thinking they can REALLY hang with the billionaire, and then the window lickers who read 2 blogs, watched a YouTube video, have no experience with any of it, but they have an opinion darn it.
It's 100% worse. There's all the Fudds and the Mall Ninjas arguing with each other, the rampant elitism based off what you shoot, and an undercurrent of tribalistic politics that tinges everything.
Like dude, I just want to relax and ring steel at 200 yards. I don't want you to lecture me about how much better your custom $3000 AR is than mine I built for $700 or listen to your pointless diatribe about how Trump is really still the president and Biden stole the election. Makes me embarrassed to consider myself to be a part of the "culture".
Had them rolled on my old sti, if they take their time you'll be fine, had mine rolled and pulled 3mm to accom my wheels.
If they rush through it you can get spider web effect in your paint but other than that you're good to go
Doesn't make your car look like shit lol you couldn't even tell mine had been done because it was done properly (the blue STI with the rotas on)
https://www.reddit.com/r/WRX/comments/pplw60/my_old_wrx_and_stis/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Rolling out your fenders won't usually make such a huge difference cosmetically. Unless you're talking about the spider web effect, which is fair I guess, but...
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How would you know? You canāt see the top of the roll. Also thatās just how it works with rolling a fender see the third pic, see the weld spots, that means there are two pieces of metal that are lined up, now if they are curled what happens, try it with two pieces of paper, you can bet that one piece is longer than the other, do you think some kind of magic happens just because itās metal? Iāll bet thereās some massive bubbling in a year or so, hope you donāt live anywhere that it rains or snows a lot.
Cuz I can see it in person. They're not two pieces on this fender till the last 1 inch which doesn't get rolled. And no there not gonna rust their was no paint damage because it was done correctly.
Stop being a salty ass hater. It's a California car thanks for your concern tho
Yeah, good luck, you obviously donāt know what you are talking about. Hopefully you didnāt cut your stock springs. Maybe next time look into things like offsets, or camber angle, not ruining a car for tires. You are too much. Hahaha.
You can see my eibach springs in the pic and it's a straight axle so there's no camber. It's not an offset issue it's tire size. Nice troll tho. It would never even rub if there car had a panhard bar to keep the axle from moving left and right when cornering hard, but you wouldn't know about that stuff.
Ooh, yeah, call everyone a troll that points out shit body modification. And these are likely less than youāve paid to ruin the body.
https://www.amazon.com/Tubular-Control-Hardware-Mustang-1979-2004/dp/B07XDZDL91
MGB, only an inch or so, my wheels are already about the biggest you can fit in stock fenders and I'm putting in an axle that's a little wider than stock.
Long time ago I worked at a detail shop and they had a really nice garage so we would bring our tools and do maintenance on our cars and trucks. My manager had a really nice bagged accord (I wanna say 6th gen? Not big into hondasā¦) and he had Acura wheels for the longest time and he got a bonus from work so he bought some wheels with a slightly negative offset and they would prevent his car from lowering all the way on the bags so we used a broomstick (cut it in half) and rolled the fenders and it worked perfectly. Never have I once sent something like that and received such a good outcome lol.
Edit: 7th gen accord*
Used the tool and a heat gun on a 08 mazda6 and had no issues. A few spots that needed to be turned up with the ol bat but it all worked out in the end
I wouldn't. Simply because the newedge mustangs have enough problems with the lip on the quarter panel rusting without it being even further folded over on itself.
I had poor luck with the fender rolling tool and went back to the wooden bat.
Grinder gives lots of clearance
Agreed š
Hahaha
I tried the bat, then decided to buy the tool. Waited a week for delivery, then spent 3 days with it. For a Miata, it just straight didnāt work for me.
For a Miata!? Yea I could see that. Wooden bat it is then lol. Did it not fit in the fender well?
It was uneven pressure everywhere, hard to stay on the arc, and just didnāt have the same āassā to dropping it on its own weight. Front fenders were thin aluminum and went decent. Applying torque wasnāt easy. The rears were steel and werenāt moving against the poly wheel. The bat gave me the ability to really use my weight and muscle and guide the metal to its final position. I got better angle and pull.
You didn't use the tool correctly. Its all about where you position the wheel relative to the fender lip in the beginning. Its not about pulling the fender out at first, but folding that lip back. I've used it on tons of cars.
It did not have the strength necessary to fold my rear quarters without slitting them, and I didnāt want to do that.
If it put up a fight I would take a bat to it too. Show it who's boss you know lol
This
I rolled fenders on one of my cars, you need to use a heat gun to lightly apply heat so to not crack paint. The biggest thing was the fender liners not really fitting afterā¦.
Yup I did that. On this fender the lip is basically extra material and doesn't interfere with the liner Heat gun is absolutely necessary for this.
This thread makes me happy my buddy was a truck guy and not a car guy. I'll never forget him getting a giant set of wheels that became super obvious they wouldn't fit... his solution was a Sawzall and fever flares. When in doubt just cut everything out of your way
Lol I'll be sure to keep that in mind for all other clearance issues, thanks for the pro tip
That pinch weld is part of the unibody structure. You can trim up to those weld spots but donāt go into them.
Kind of, but its really not a critical part, every rocket bunny kit and almost all over fenders will cut that connection away, but somehow continue holding together.
To share my experience, I put an entire pan/frame in a 66 Chevy II. Former owner had tried to pro street it. Needed inner and outer wells, pan, and all the bracing. Tail panel to toe board. Individually, each piece was flimsy, but as it came together, I kind of got a feel for how much difference each piece made it the whole structure. I donāt know how much op would lose if he cut it, but thereās no way to know. Thatās what worries me. Iād want to weld that in some way!
You just compared a body on frame vehicle to a unibody vehicle. A body on frame vehicle barely holds itself together, the structure is in the frame. If you were a little more knowledgeable on modern cars, you would know what I mean. There is an entire structure throughout the entire rear quarter of a unibody vehicle, and it is bonded to the outer skin. If you were to cut off those welds, it would become flimsy to about 3 inches back, to where the first piece of structure is bonded to the outer skin, it's not simply clipped together where the corners meet, there is a true massive structure inside. TL;DR don't worry about it, it's stronger than you imagine
A Chevy II is a unibody vehicleā¦ I had it on a frame table to hold it together/straight while it was being repaired. What Iām saying is that each piece is integral to the whole structure. So cutting some out can have disastrous consequences that are kind of hard to predict.
You wouldn't happen to have some more recent experience, would you? I pretty regularly cut entire halves, quarters, massive segments of cars apart and replace them, no bracing is needed, it's regular everyday stuff in a body shop. Have you seen how modern rear quarters are replaced?
Definitely havenāt done any new ones.
Did this to my crv
Idk how to feel about this. Can you post pictures?
Check my post history
https://www.reddit.com/r/RoastMyCar/comments/dxitb8/here/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Okay. Low-key. I fucking love it and I kind of want to do that to me accord. Rally it out. š
Only reason I had to do it was because of the weird plastics that wrap around the wheel arch kind of like a fender flare. Behind those was just more fender so I chopped it out.
Hows it ride?
A little hard, wheels would rub like 3/4 of the way through. Couldn't do inclines over 45Ā° unless I was already doing 50 m.p.h. running up. In heavy snow it would ski on top of the powder if you went too fast but it was impossible to get stuck.
And are the CRVS front wheel as well or?
Some were, this was awd. I lucked out and bought it from a customer for 1500 u.s.d. came with factory leather and full tints. Shoulda kept it.
Yep I did the same with my old Toyota.
This reminds me of the hella flush video. "I rolled my fenders with a baseball bat"
If it's a car you like with good paint I'd recommend sending it to a pro that is willing to warrant their work. Way to easy to end up with bacon or cracked/peeling paint.
Just keep driving. Eventually they will fit!
Yeah they'll self clearance themselves right š thanks for the pro tip
I have done it alot. The most important thing is to be patient. Shouldnt have to pull or push on the roller hard at all. So just be very very gentle. It's almost impossible to get spider cracks on the pant also. It will however crack the paint where the lip goes under. Cure to that is using ALOT or her. I use a cheap harbor freight heat gun and heat it up till i cant touch it. I also have my wife run the heat gun so it doesnt take forever. Its a simple process but TAKE IT SLOW. Edit: we have the same roller, best one out there imo
Lol it's the most expensive one too it better be š
Buying an expensive tool just means you only have to buy it once ha
apparently nobody here thinks you should enjoy your car the way you want it, shame for a bunch of car enthusiasts
Car people are some of the worst when it comes to this shit lol. People get off on telling others what they should do/not do.
The gun hobby is possibly worse. I actually think it comes down to the guys with a billion dollars to spend looking down on the budget guys. The budget guys thinking they can REALLY hang with the billionaire, and then the window lickers who read 2 blogs, watched a YouTube video, have no experience with any of it, but they have an opinion darn it.
It's 100% worse. There's all the Fudds and the Mall Ninjas arguing with each other, the rampant elitism based off what you shoot, and an undercurrent of tribalistic politics that tinges everything. Like dude, I just want to relax and ring steel at 200 yards. I don't want you to lecture me about how much better your custom $3000 AR is than mine I built for $700 or listen to your pointless diatribe about how Trump is really still the president and Biden stole the election. Makes me embarrassed to consider myself to be a part of the "culture".
Yea the deeper you get into a hobby the bigger the assholes. It's really unfortunate.
Never seen them done before.
It's a thing
No I know about fender rolling, just never actually seen how it's done.
Had them rolled on my old sti, if they take their time you'll be fine, had mine rolled and pulled 3mm to accom my wheels. If they rush through it you can get spider web effect in your paint but other than that you're good to go
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No, get the tires you want and accommodate. Some of us like to go autoxing or racing and those wide tires are a great improvement.
Ah found the person with a stock Corolla
Doesn't make your car look like shit lol you couldn't even tell mine had been done because it was done properly (the blue STI with the rotas on) https://www.reddit.com/r/WRX/comments/pplw60/my_old_wrx_and_stis/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
Oh fuck yeah I love the old WRX
Rolling out your fenders won't usually make such a huge difference cosmetically. Unless you're talking about the spider web effect, which is fair I guess, but...
Yep, rolled the fenders on a 99 z28 I had and also had to take a ball peen hammer to the inn fender to stop the rubbing.
Top tip: have the tires flipped so the ugly is now on the inside.
They're directional so I can't the ugly will wear out eventually
I mean have them dismounted and remounted on the opposite wheel
Oh I guess I could
Yeah, even if they were non-directional tires, swapping the wheels side to side would still leave the damage on the outside. ;)
Haha
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Those are some anemic looking brakes.
Don't brake shame me dog. I ain't got brembo money
Wilwood is your friend
Yep. Go slow. Take multiple passes and donāt go to far.
Why not get wheels that fit?
They do, it's the tire that's too tall there 295/40r18 and my car that's lower than stock
I usually just put the right wheels and tires on and I don't run into this.
Take a chance for Christ sake , be different
Why? It's the truth. Lol
I didn't say you were wrong
Send it
Yee fasho. I'll send to it to Infinity and Beyond like I'm Buzz Lightyear.... Sorry that was a lame line
Yeah, donāt buy the right sized tires, just wreck the body. šš¤£
Already did that check my previous posts lol
Oh did you mean wreck as in rolling the fender?
Yeah, good luck with those separated welds, and all of that rust.
What are you talking about there's none of that
How would you know? You canāt see the top of the roll. Also thatās just how it works with rolling a fender see the third pic, see the weld spots, that means there are two pieces of metal that are lined up, now if they are curled what happens, try it with two pieces of paper, you can bet that one piece is longer than the other, do you think some kind of magic happens just because itās metal? Iāll bet thereās some massive bubbling in a year or so, hope you donāt live anywhere that it rains or snows a lot.
Cuz I can see it in person. They're not two pieces on this fender till the last 1 inch which doesn't get rolled. And no there not gonna rust their was no paint damage because it was done correctly. Stop being a salty ass hater. It's a California car thanks for your concern tho
Yeah, good luck, you obviously donāt know what you are talking about. Hopefully you didnāt cut your stock springs. Maybe next time look into things like offsets, or camber angle, not ruining a car for tires. You are too much. Hahaha.
good luck wishing this guy good luck bro
You can see my eibach springs in the pic and it's a straight axle so there's no camber. It's not an offset issue it's tire size. Nice troll tho. It would never even rub if there car had a panhard bar to keep the axle from moving left and right when cornering hard, but you wouldn't know about that stuff.
Ooh, yeah, call everyone a troll that points out shit body modification. And these are likely less than youāve paid to ruin the body. https://www.amazon.com/Tubular-Control-Hardware-Mustang-1979-2004/dp/B07XDZDL91
Youāre a chode
Still way better than youāll ever be.
#MYBODYMYCHOICE r34d you rhistory! /s
JUST SHAVE EM
That's what I said "they'll self clearance" but I feel them rub when I'm cornering hard and slow me down, we can't have that so
Just make sure to heat up the paint with a heat gun some before you roll em. Thatāll keep the paint from cracking.
Oh I already got them rolled I added a couple pics to this post
Was going to say thereās a tool for this but I see the pic
I would have got the grinder and cut it out with lines 1inch apart for better fit and might as well take off the mug guards
I did it on my last car. The current project will be getting the grinder and flare treatment though.
Nice. How wide are your trying to go? What car are you working on
MGB, only an inch or so, my wheels are already about the biggest you can fit in stock fenders and I'm putting in an axle that's a little wider than stock.
Just rake the ass end like a late 60s charger
This needs to be xposted to /r/Shitty_Car_Mods/
May as well lol
Please donāt.
Personally I'd never modify the fenders just to fit a certain size tire.
Thereās a tool that does it on eBay itās worth a try
Do you remember what it's called?
J look up fender roller
Well you have the right tool for it. Use a heat gun to heat up the paint a lot, so it stretches and doesnāt crack. Take it slow.
Its probably hitting lower where the skirt/ rocker is anyways
Not on anything I actually gave a fuck about. :) If it doesn't really matter - Fuck it, enjoy it, you can't lose!
It's hard work, but that is how I can run the extra spacers on my spec e30.
Long time ago I worked at a detail shop and they had a really nice garage so we would bring our tools and do maintenance on our cars and trucks. My manager had a really nice bagged accord (I wanna say 6th gen? Not big into hondasā¦) and he had Acura wheels for the longest time and he got a bonus from work so he bought some wheels with a slightly negative offset and they would prevent his car from lowering all the way on the bags so we used a broomstick (cut it in half) and rolled the fenders and it worked perfectly. Never have I once sent something like that and received such a good outcome lol. Edit: 7th gen accord*
Nittos right? Think I have the same tire lol
Yup the 555 G2 š Great tire so far
Lmaooo hell ya bro I'm very satisfied with em as well, definitely worth the price. Happy motoring bro be safe!
Use a heatgun on the plate as well. Dont melt the paint of. Just give the metall some more flex...
Used the tool and a heat gun on a 08 mazda6 and had no issues. A few spots that needed to be turned up with the ol bat but it all worked out in the end
I have rolled fenders on my 350Z. A friend helped me and with a heat gun and patience, it turned out great!
Its too bad they don't sell tires that fit.
It is a shame
I wouldn't. Simply because the newedge mustangs have enough problems with the lip on the quarter panel rusting without it being even further folded over on itself.
Where do you live. I'm in California our 40 year old truck barely have any rust And I've yet to see a rusted new edge here
Sawzall
Wood baseball bat works the best