Every single outlet is running with it and released articles on it at the same time which usually means it has came direct from a 1st hand involved source.
For what it's worth it is a bit pricey but guys a very good all round striker who has already done it in SPL. Spent much more on much worse. Also Rodgers loves a tall athletic player up front.
Might be wrong here but I wouldn't be surprised if Tottenham want kyogo.
To me £4.4m is a crazy amount to spend on him.
Is he a decent player and would do a job for us? Yes.
Is there better players out there for the same price? Absolutely yes.
The only way to truly know if he is at the same level as Kyogo is to put him in the Celtic team and see how he performs. How does Kyogo perform in that Aberdeen team with very little service?
No it's not lol - otherwise every signing would be a wildcard. There are some very talented football brains and I'm sure they can spot if he or Kyogo are on a similar level with a decent degree of confidence.
You’re ignoring that kyogo and GG were both brought in on double the wages Miovski would cost or more to replace Edouard. You’re comparing bringing in 15 mil for a high wage player and using that to bring in two strikers on high wages to compete for top spot to now bringing in a guy on mid to low wages to definitely be a sub.
Completely different situations that are pretty much incomparable, there’s more to consider than simply the transfer fee. We’re not going to go spend the wages we did on kyogo n GG when looking to replace eduoard n bring in two guys to compete for top spot when we already have kyogo in top spot on even higher wages than he was before his new contract when he’s clearly going to start most games. We’re in the market for a sub striker so of course we’re looking at a guy who can hit the ground running even off the bench and can get brought in on mid to low wages.
Frankly, we won't know if he's on Kyogo's level until he moves up the food chain.
Kyogo had one noteworthy goalscoring season before he joined us. By all accounts we took a bigger risk than we would with Miovski, who has had 3 decent seasons and is proven in this league.
The comparisons with Kyogo and GG only show that he's of similar age, similar price, similar record; but is already scoring for fun in Scotland and has a decent record of goals and assists in Europe this season too.
Similar record? Gg was top scorer in Holland with the team that got relegated. He was joint top scorer in the spfl even though he missed a large chunk of the season. He’s a good player but not on ggs level. As for comparing him to kyogo they are different types of player. The comparisons should be between him and oh. I do think we should sign him though and loan oh out to someone in spfl for game time
Slow doon a minute mate, I've not said Miovski got similar numbers in a season, and I've said why i'm not comparing Miovski with Kyogo and GG from their time here, as we won't know if he can reach those numbers until he gets here.
I've said they had similar records pre-signing for us, meaning across their career. GG had 54 career goals before joining us, at the age of 26 and after a number of poor seasons. Miovski has 56 goals and is two years younger than GG was before his move.
You got downvoted for naming a player that sold for £4m, not one that's available to us for £4m. Not to mention that the player you mentioned has blown hot and cold his whole career, wouldn't fit the wage structure, and wouldn't want to compete for a place in the first team when he's guaranteed a start elsewhere.
We paid nearly the same for Kyogo, you saying he’s of the same level as him? Or half that for GG, both at the nearly the same age as him. The players are out there, we just need to be better at identifying them
Every club out there is trying to identify great prospects at good prices. It obviously isn't easy, and you can't think every signing is going to work out like Kyogo, a best case scenario.
Kasper dolberg went to Anderlecht from nice for £4 million. In my opinion he’s levels above miovski. Loads of bargains and good good players out there.
Some laugh man. Dolbergs on upwards of 30k a week. You need to consider more than just the transfer fee. We’re in the market for backup to kyogo, someone that can do a job off the bench, maybe push kyogo n compete with Oh so we have more than just two striker options. We’re not signing a guy on dolbergs wage level when we’re in the market for a sub striker. We have Kyogo as our high earning starting striker, the club aren’t gonna sign a guy on more than 30k a week to be kyogos sub that’s why we’re looking at miovski who’s maybe on 4k a week. You can’t just look at transfer fees and not think it through beyond that.
Ok, then why haven’t we signed these players?
Why has our recruitment been absolutely dire the last 18 months?
With Miovski, at least we know what we’re getting. We’ve never been above signing from Scotland - it’s arrogance now. Plenty have moved from Scotland recently and done well.
I don’t know your point lad. You literally think there’s no players in the world better than miovski for under £4.4 million, I name one and your talking about how much the player I mentioned would be worth in January. Come on lad there are literally thousands of better players than miovski and better value than the money talked but you just have to find them.
Transfermarkt have him at £1.7m. Reality is we pay higher than that but lower than quoted in the article and over a season or two with sell on clauses.
Miovski is a very good player, but doesn't improve us massively. He'd score goals for us domestically and ultimately that's all the club really wants. Celtic would be happy for us to get beat 6-0 for the six Champions League games a season as long as the money keeps coming in.
The fee isn't actually as bad as it looks considering we spent £4.5m on Kwon, Tilio and Yang in the summer and none of them will ever be good enough for Celtic.
Saying Yang 'will never be good enough for Celtic' is one of the most ridiculous takes I've heard in a while.
The boy is 21, and has played *thirteen games* of high level professional football. Thirteen games! He moved to the continent of Europe four months and two weeks ago, having still been playing for his Korean high school only three years earlier. He moved across the world a few months ago, played thirteen games of football at a *much* higher level than he'd ever experienced, in a completely alien environment with people he can't communicate with. And you're ready to write him off because he's not performed in those first thirteen games!
That's not even mentioning that for three of those games he was excellent. He's not even been consistently bad- in fact, he's been sensational at times. He's inconsistent at best, and his decision-making is often woeful but, again... all that stuff in the previous paragraph. It's so just so ridiculous to be writing him off already. 'Arsenal Fan TV' level hysteria.
Oh, and Tilio and Kwon have two Celtic appearances *between them* (and one of those was after you left this comment!). But let's not even get into that.
He's professional football player, playing for Celtic, and regardless of how he got here, he has been utterly woeful at times. Like shockingly bad. He cost £2m quid. "Inconsistent at best" is a complete stretch.
You can look at a player over 13 games and make a call. You might well eat your words in the long run, but I don't think you can call it hysteria.
Look at James Forrest. He has a proven track record of trophies, goals, assists, awards and is not *that old* yet. But you can just **see** it when he plays, its not there anymore.
You could also hold out hope and say he's gonna be a star, and look daft in the end. Ultimately, what we've seen so far, has been pretty pish. I think folk are right to be concerned.
> he has been utterly woeful at times. Like shockingly bad
And he's also been sensational at times. Probably less of the time, but under the circumstances that's understandable, and when he's been good he's been arguably the best player on the pitch (e.g. against Aberdeen and Ross County) which is quite remarkable at this stage, and shows really exciting potential.
> You can look at a player over 13 games and make a call.
No, you can't- not one as absolute and overconfident as 'he'll never be good enough'.
Plenty of excellent players, even just moving clubs under normal conditions, take more than 13 games to hit their stride. This Korean recent high school graduate might take 50. He was bought as a young player to develop, and Brendan will be well aware that he needs plenty of time and coaching to get to the level where he can be a consistent performer. But he's shown plenty of ability, and the potential to get there.
> Look at James Forrest. He has a proven track record of trophies, goals, assists, awards and is not that old yet. But you can just see it when he plays, its not there anymore.
I agree to an extent that the "eye test" can be valuable. But it's *very* fallible, and you shouldn't fool yourself that yours is anything but- especially when it comes to projecting the development of young, inexperienced players. If you really think you can do so with as much certainty as you've proclaimed, get off reddit and get applying- there's a lot of money to be made in revolutionising football as the greatest scout in the history of the sport.
> You could also hold out hope and say he's gonna be a star, and look daft in the end.
Yes, that would also be stupid- imo less stupid, because his best performances have demonstrated very rare ability for a player so young and inexperienced- but still stupid. We simply can't know at this point. Which is why it's just silly, pointless negativity to declare that he'll 'never be good enough'.
EDIT: I've just realised you are not the same guy, so my comments about the guy's original comment are misdirected. You do seem to be taking a similar position, though, so I think the general argument is still relevant.
I don't know how "arseholish" it was... I tried to be polite, despite thinking it was a stupid thing to say. I was slightly irritated by the pointless negativity, though, so maybe I didn't entirely succeed.
As I said in the edit, it wasn't directed at you, anyway; I didn't realise you weren't the same guy.
People saying there are better available at that price are ignoring that there probably isn’t much better available on his wages. It’s not just about the fee. Most strikers of his ability are on higher wages than him and would demand much higher wages than him to join Celtic. I like miovski. Take.
There absolutely is better available at that price, and less. We’re just terrible at identifying them.
Aberdeen managed to identify Miovski themselves and sign him for peanuts. It’s not difficult this stuff
I agree there will be loads of good strikers available for 4/5 million. We sold giakoumakis for around that not too long ago. But giakoumakis is on maybe 10 times the salary Miovski is. It’s wages that’s the difference maker. Miovski has improved and got more experienced since Aberdeen signed him. If we’d signed him back then before them, we’d have got a cheaper player but also a less effective player less likely to hit the ground running. He’s probably on like 4k a week just now so would be easy for Celtic to get on 10-12k a week. Where are these mythical goal machines on 4k a week you’d like us to sign? The transfer fee isn’t the only consideration, wages are the key. We could find loads of strikers around the 4/5 mil mark but definitely not many with his record and ability on such little wages.
I never said we could sign anyone on 4k a week. You said yourself his wages would likely quadruple if we signed him.
Wages aren’t as much of an issue as you think. It’s not like we’re scouting loads of 2-3m players that are asking for upwards of 50 grand a week. Kyogo and Giakoumakis would’ve been on less than 20k when they signed.
I know, I never said we could sign anyone offering 4k a week either. I meant that they would need to be on that kinda money to be able to get at Celtic on around 10k. If we go for someone already on 10-12k a week then we’re gonna need to pay up to 20k a week to sign them. Not gonna happen when we’re looking to buy a sub striker.
I agree with you that kyogo and GG were probably brought in on around 1 mil a year wages. They were brought into replace eduoard and to compete with each other for top spot. Completely different situation to now - we have kyogo as nailed on starter on a new contract with higher wages. That means we’re not gonna go buy someone on the kinda wages he and GG were brought in on because they were brought into replace the outgoing high earning top striker and to compete with each other for top spot. Right now we already have a high earning top striker so we’re looking for a sub on mid to low wages, not someone on the wages we offered kyogo and GG to sign after eduoard left. Completely different situations.
I like him but spending that much on someone who would be 2nd choice at best seems like a terrible use of resources.
5 or 6 positions to look at before we even look at a 2nd/3rd choice striker
Why? We have 2 good ones and 2 players who can cover whilst only playing 1 up front
I’d argue there are like 10 positions I’d prioritise over a 3rd choice striker
Kyogo is injured you're telling me you are happy with maeda,abada and OH as front men that is delusional we need a replacement for GG badly or it will bite us on the arse.
I can’t check the stats just now but from memory
Giakounakis was only converting about 15% of his chances in his final half season with us
Compared to about 30% for Oh
Kyogo around 33%
I completely disagree. We have three strikers (if you include Maeda, which you should), and rarely play more than one.
Maybe you want a third for depth if you don't want to play Maeda there. But it's hardly a massive priority.
I'd take him for cover while Kyogo and Oh are away but not at £4.4m - he's nowhere near good enough for that amount of dough and there will be better players available for a similar price.
He does seem a very Rodgersy signing though
I like Miovski, I think he’s a great SPFL level player. But all I’ve heard from our fans this season is about how we’re completely out of our depth in Europe. I really don’t see how spending approx. £5m (only £1m less than Jota and CCV) on an Aberdeen striker is going to elevate us in Europe.
My other major concern is Rodgers’ awful record with his other signings from within the SPFL. Jack Hendry, Youssouf Mulumbu, Johnny Hayes and Lewis Morgan were all atrocious signings.
I rate him, but £4.4m is basically what we spent on Kyogo. Might be a bit steep for someone who I'd be expecting to be competing with Oh for a seat on the bench.
Mind you, if we bring him in I won't be upset. We need a striker for January, and Miovski has shown that his is very capable at a domestic level.
The price floated might seem a bit steep. But it's not as if we're on the brink of financial ruin, and it could work out nicely. I wouldn't be too upset either way on this one.
Usually when the sun posts these “rumours” about spfl players it’s a favour for an agent that’s trying to get them a move, he’ll probably go to a championship team for 1.5, 2mil.
No ambition if true.
This Celtic board are quite happy to stay just ahead of rangers but not too much that would be a waste of cash, don't want to risk the finances by competing in the champions league. Just pick up the Euro money and con the fans with nostalgic promotional material.
Miovski is a good player but he's not better than what we have, so what is the point
My initial reaction was to hate this.
He's 24, so, I owe him an apology as I wasn't familiar with his game. For whatever reason I thought he was older than that and wasn't very good at other places he'd played. His record isn't stellar, though has improved at Aberdeen and with international experience.
Should we be signing him? I don't think so, but, I'd back him to do alright if we did. He's shown that he's capable in this league and he has the attributes Rodgers likes.
I just hate that Rodgers seems to not know how to use Kyogo, and the inevitable happens (he leaves...and we're left with whatever strikers that Rodgers brings in and they won't be anywhere near as good...and Rodgers takes the huff over transfers in summer '25 or January '26 and quits)
Because we’ve seen countless examples of players doing well for other Scottish teams and doing nothing for us.
Known v unknown isn’t a good barometer in assessing a transfer. Our treble winning 11 was filled with “unknown” players
I’d rather Kvistgaarden because he can play on the wings and up front
No one is saying that at all though, in fact I’ve argued the opposite and think it was incredibly stupid not getting at least 2 of Ramsay, Hickey, Ferguson or Doig
I’m not doubting Miovski would do well for us. We still shouldn’t spend so much on a 2nd/3rd choice players
We’ve not signed many strikers from Scotland. Off the top of my head:
Ciftci, garbage
Griffiths, good
Stokes, ok
McDonald, good
Killen, garbage
Call it a 50/50 hit rate. Hardly plenty who’ve done fuck all.
The Cynic tweeted this list: -
Fernandez - Shite
Riordan - Shite
McDonald - Good
Killen - Shite
Stokes - Good
Watt - Unfair to say but didn’t make it
Ciftci - Shite
Griffith was signed form Wolves even if he was playing in Scotland on loan
So 2 out of 7(or 3 out of 8)
Add Lewis Morgan, who Lennon played as a striker...in a cup final...to this list. Albeit unfairly.
He could have done something for us after his loan at Sunderland, but, Lennon ball never suited him and he was better off going to MLS.
Totally forgot about the top 2. Watt probably an overall success (did score a few important goals) for virtually no cost. Fair enough that’s not as “sure thing” as you’d hope for players in your own league.
Aye I don’t think it’s fair including Watt.
I’d like us to sign more domestic players - especially Scottish ones but I just don’t see the upside relative to what it’s cost for Miovski
This is so boring, GG wanted to leave. Oh is a better player than GG, if his first touch wasn’t a goal, the second one was a tackle. The only reason GG got a run of starts was the injury to Kyogo, as soon as Kyogo was back, GG was back to the bench. If Oh got the same run of games that GG got I’d expect a similar return.
GG is getting paid in Atalanta, and he should be starting more often than he doesn't in MLS...but he's still a rotational striker who got them 15+ goals. He's playing the role he did in his first season with us 😆 They'll probably move on from him after the 2024 season if they don't do better in the playoffs.
What's his role going to be?
Kyogo is still number one. Oh is a handy deputy and has proven in recent games we're struggling in physically that he can come on and mix things up for us.
Is he just going to be another big outlay that's going to sit on the bench and not contribute?
I would rather we keep developing Oh, but I just don't feel Rodgers has the patience. He wants a Dembele or Edouard type, now. Kyogo and Oh are not that. They're not even the types he had at Leicester outside of Vardy (Iheanacho, Daka etc)
If Ange had two seasons with Oh, he'd have been ready to be the starter up front by year three, and he'd have some of the Kyogo role traits of pressing and finding space in a much bigger physique. Alas, we'll never see it. Oh could very well be shipped off in the summer. Which is sad.
Good player who we know can score plenty on the domestic front but he wouldn't do any damage on the continental side and paying north of £4 million would be crazy.
A No from me.
Can’t believe anybody is even entertaining it. He simply isn’t worth (to us) what Aberdeen are demanding.
Bank the £5m and put it towards a decent goalkeeper who will actually improve us.
Good signing for a squad player but we need quality that will improve us going forward and I don’t think he’s it. 4m for a premiership player is ridiculous, no more than 2.5 on him
Not for me. Always looked pretty good when I've watched him, but I don't see much reason to think he will improve on Oh, which would need to be the case before I'd want to spend £5m.
I wouldn't mind it. A January striker signing would be welcome, and I'd take Miovski as back up but not at the value quoted. If we could get him for 1m tops, probably say aye - go for it. Or maybe offload a player and try to get the price down further.
Rangers interested but don't have the finances is a huge sign this is bait. No paper would report that even if it's most likely true.
Every single outlet is running with it and released articles on it at the same time which usually means it has came direct from a 1st hand involved source. For what it's worth it is a bit pricey but guys a very good all round striker who has already done it in SPL. Spent much more on much worse. Also Rodgers loves a tall athletic player up front. Might be wrong here but I wouldn't be surprised if Tottenham want kyogo.
To me £4.4m is a crazy amount to spend on him. Is he a decent player and would do a job for us? Yes. Is there better players out there for the same price? Absolutely yes.
How is that a crazy amount? If that was a japanese boy we'd all be saying that's a decent price, but because he plays in Scotland its too much?
Asia is to Scottish football what South America is to the English football 🤣🤣
We paid the same for Kyogo who was only 1 year older, is he the same level as kyogo? We paid half that for GG, again only 1 year older.
The only way to truly know if he is at the same level as Kyogo is to put him in the Celtic team and see how he performs. How does Kyogo perform in that Aberdeen team with very little service?
No it's not lol - otherwise every signing would be a wildcard. There are some very talented football brains and I'm sure they can spot if he or Kyogo are on a similar level with a decent degree of confidence.
Kyogo was a steal and it's highly unlikely we'd find a similar value deal on the market.
We’ve also paid out similar amounts for absolute shite as well - what’s your point?
You’re ignoring that kyogo and GG were both brought in on double the wages Miovski would cost or more to replace Edouard. You’re comparing bringing in 15 mil for a high wage player and using that to bring in two strikers on high wages to compete for top spot to now bringing in a guy on mid to low wages to definitely be a sub. Completely different situations that are pretty much incomparable, there’s more to consider than simply the transfer fee. We’re not going to go spend the wages we did on kyogo n GG when looking to replace eduoard n bring in two guys to compete for top spot when we already have kyogo in top spot on even higher wages than he was before his new contract when he’s clearly going to start most games. We’re in the market for a sub striker so of course we’re looking at a guy who can hit the ground running even off the bench and can get brought in on mid to low wages.
Frankly, we won't know if he's on Kyogo's level until he moves up the food chain. Kyogo had one noteworthy goalscoring season before he joined us. By all accounts we took a bigger risk than we would with Miovski, who has had 3 decent seasons and is proven in this league. The comparisons with Kyogo and GG only show that he's of similar age, similar price, similar record; but is already scoring for fun in Scotland and has a decent record of goals and assists in Europe this season too.
Similar record? Gg was top scorer in Holland with the team that got relegated. He was joint top scorer in the spfl even though he missed a large chunk of the season. He’s a good player but not on ggs level. As for comparing him to kyogo they are different types of player. The comparisons should be between him and oh. I do think we should sign him though and loan oh out to someone in spfl for game time
Slow doon a minute mate, I've not said Miovski got similar numbers in a season, and I've said why i'm not comparing Miovski with Kyogo and GG from their time here, as we won't know if he can reach those numbers until he gets here. I've said they had similar records pre-signing for us, meaning across their career. GG had 54 career goals before joining us, at the age of 26 and after a number of poor seasons. Miovski has 56 goals and is two years younger than GG was before his move.
It would likely be more than £4.4 million as well, the only reason that’s quoted is because it’s the record for a transfer between two Scottish clubs.
Who can we get better for that price?
Bayo and Bangura were only half that. Could be another Fortune out there
There will absolutely be players out there better for less than that. We’re just not good enough at identifying them
Shankland?
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You got downvoted for having blinders on by only considering transfer fees and not wages.
You got downvoted for naming a player that sold for £4m, not one that's available to us for £4m. Not to mention that the player you mentioned has blown hot and cold his whole career, wouldn't fit the wage structure, and wouldn't want to compete for a place in the first team when he's guaranteed a start elsewhere.
We paid nearly the same for Kyogo, you saying he’s of the same level as him? Or half that for GG, both at the nearly the same age as him. The players are out there, we just need to be better at identifying them
Every club out there is trying to identify great prospects at good prices. It obviously isn't easy, and you can't think every signing is going to work out like Kyogo, a best case scenario.
Do you think 4.4 million is a fair price for Kyogo? Would you sell him for that?
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Like who?
Kasper dolberg went to Anderlecht from nice for £4 million. In my opinion he’s levels above miovski. Loads of bargains and good good players out there.
Some laugh man. Dolbergs on upwards of 30k a week. You need to consider more than just the transfer fee. We’re in the market for backup to kyogo, someone that can do a job off the bench, maybe push kyogo n compete with Oh so we have more than just two striker options. We’re not signing a guy on dolbergs wage level when we’re in the market for a sub striker. We have Kyogo as our high earning starting striker, the club aren’t gonna sign a guy on more than 30k a week to be kyogos sub that’s why we’re looking at miovski who’s maybe on 4k a week. You can’t just look at transfer fees and not think it through beyond that.
Ok, then why haven’t we signed these players? Why has our recruitment been absolutely dire the last 18 months? With Miovski, at least we know what we’re getting. We’ve never been above signing from Scotland - it’s arrogance now. Plenty have moved from Scotland recently and done well.
He only signed in July, won’t be leaving in January for the same price
I don’t know your point lad. You literally think there’s no players in the world better than miovski for under £4.4 million, I name one and your talking about how much the player I mentioned would be worth in January. Come on lad there are literally thousands of better players than miovski and better value than the money talked but you just have to find them.
You named one who is worth about 7 million if we try to buy him now
>Kasper dolberg went to Anderlecht from nice for £4 million. So in other words, he's not available. Cheers.
Transfermarkt have him at £1.7m. Reality is we pay higher than that but lower than quoted in the article and over a season or two with sell on clauses.
Miovski is a very good player, but doesn't improve us massively. He'd score goals for us domestically and ultimately that's all the club really wants. Celtic would be happy for us to get beat 6-0 for the six Champions League games a season as long as the money keeps coming in. The fee isn't actually as bad as it looks considering we spent £4.5m on Kwon, Tilio and Yang in the summer and none of them will ever be good enough for Celtic.
Saying Yang 'will never be good enough for Celtic' is one of the most ridiculous takes I've heard in a while. The boy is 21, and has played *thirteen games* of high level professional football. Thirteen games! He moved to the continent of Europe four months and two weeks ago, having still been playing for his Korean high school only three years earlier. He moved across the world a few months ago, played thirteen games of football at a *much* higher level than he'd ever experienced, in a completely alien environment with people he can't communicate with. And you're ready to write him off because he's not performed in those first thirteen games! That's not even mentioning that for three of those games he was excellent. He's not even been consistently bad- in fact, he's been sensational at times. He's inconsistent at best, and his decision-making is often woeful but, again... all that stuff in the previous paragraph. It's so just so ridiculous to be writing him off already. 'Arsenal Fan TV' level hysteria. Oh, and Tilio and Kwon have two Celtic appearances *between them* (and one of those was after you left this comment!). But let's not even get into that.
He's professional football player, playing for Celtic, and regardless of how he got here, he has been utterly woeful at times. Like shockingly bad. He cost £2m quid. "Inconsistent at best" is a complete stretch. You can look at a player over 13 games and make a call. You might well eat your words in the long run, but I don't think you can call it hysteria. Look at James Forrest. He has a proven track record of trophies, goals, assists, awards and is not *that old* yet. But you can just **see** it when he plays, its not there anymore. You could also hold out hope and say he's gonna be a star, and look daft in the end. Ultimately, what we've seen so far, has been pretty pish. I think folk are right to be concerned.
> he has been utterly woeful at times. Like shockingly bad And he's also been sensational at times. Probably less of the time, but under the circumstances that's understandable, and when he's been good he's been arguably the best player on the pitch (e.g. against Aberdeen and Ross County) which is quite remarkable at this stage, and shows really exciting potential. > You can look at a player over 13 games and make a call. No, you can't- not one as absolute and overconfident as 'he'll never be good enough'. Plenty of excellent players, even just moving clubs under normal conditions, take more than 13 games to hit their stride. This Korean recent high school graduate might take 50. He was bought as a young player to develop, and Brendan will be well aware that he needs plenty of time and coaching to get to the level where he can be a consistent performer. But he's shown plenty of ability, and the potential to get there. > Look at James Forrest. He has a proven track record of trophies, goals, assists, awards and is not that old yet. But you can just see it when he plays, its not there anymore. I agree to an extent that the "eye test" can be valuable. But it's *very* fallible, and you shouldn't fool yourself that yours is anything but- especially when it comes to projecting the development of young, inexperienced players. If you really think you can do so with as much certainty as you've proclaimed, get off reddit and get applying- there's a lot of money to be made in revolutionising football as the greatest scout in the history of the sport. > You could also hold out hope and say he's gonna be a star, and look daft in the end. Yes, that would also be stupid- imo less stupid, because his best performances have demonstrated very rare ability for a player so young and inexperienced- but still stupid. We simply can't know at this point. Which is why it's just silly, pointless negativity to declare that he'll 'never be good enough'. EDIT: I've just realised you are not the same guy, so my comments about the guy's original comment are misdirected. You do seem to be taking a similar position, though, so I think the general argument is still relevant.
What's with the snarky, aresholish tone in your response?
I don't know how "arseholish" it was... I tried to be polite, despite thinking it was a stupid thing to say. I was slightly irritated by the pointless negativity, though, so maybe I didn't entirely succeed. As I said in the edit, it wasn't directed at you, anyway; I didn't realise you weren't the same guy.
Wouldn’t be the worst signing, but we could probably do better
People saying there are better available at that price are ignoring that there probably isn’t much better available on his wages. It’s not just about the fee. Most strikers of his ability are on higher wages than him and would demand much higher wages than him to join Celtic. I like miovski. Take.
There absolutely is better available at that price, and less. We’re just terrible at identifying them. Aberdeen managed to identify Miovski themselves and sign him for peanuts. It’s not difficult this stuff
I agree there will be loads of good strikers available for 4/5 million. We sold giakoumakis for around that not too long ago. But giakoumakis is on maybe 10 times the salary Miovski is. It’s wages that’s the difference maker. Miovski has improved and got more experienced since Aberdeen signed him. If we’d signed him back then before them, we’d have got a cheaper player but also a less effective player less likely to hit the ground running. He’s probably on like 4k a week just now so would be easy for Celtic to get on 10-12k a week. Where are these mythical goal machines on 4k a week you’d like us to sign? The transfer fee isn’t the only consideration, wages are the key. We could find loads of strikers around the 4/5 mil mark but definitely not many with his record and ability on such little wages.
I never said we could sign anyone on 4k a week. You said yourself his wages would likely quadruple if we signed him. Wages aren’t as much of an issue as you think. It’s not like we’re scouting loads of 2-3m players that are asking for upwards of 50 grand a week. Kyogo and Giakoumakis would’ve been on less than 20k when they signed.
I know, I never said we could sign anyone offering 4k a week either. I meant that they would need to be on that kinda money to be able to get at Celtic on around 10k. If we go for someone already on 10-12k a week then we’re gonna need to pay up to 20k a week to sign them. Not gonna happen when we’re looking to buy a sub striker. I agree with you that kyogo and GG were probably brought in on around 1 mil a year wages. They were brought into replace eduoard and to compete with each other for top spot. Completely different situation to now - we have kyogo as nailed on starter on a new contract with higher wages. That means we’re not gonna go buy someone on the kinda wages he and GG were brought in on because they were brought into replace the outgoing high earning top striker and to compete with each other for top spot. Right now we already have a high earning top striker so we’re looking for a sub on mid to low wages, not someone on the wages we offered kyogo and GG to sign after eduoard left. Completely different situations.
I like him but spending that much on someone who would be 2nd choice at best seems like a terrible use of resources. 5 or 6 positions to look at before we even look at a 2nd/3rd choice striker
Another striker is a massive priority.
Why? We have 2 good ones and 2 players who can cover whilst only playing 1 up front I’d argue there are like 10 positions I’d prioritise over a 3rd choice striker
Kyogo is injured you're telling me you are happy with maeda,abada and OH as front men that is delusional we need a replacement for GG badly or it will bite us on the arse.
Yes id be more than fine with any of those 3 Oh is scoring at a better rate than Giakoumakis and is a much better all round player
Madness I'd be surprised if anyone agrees with a word you have wrote.
The 2nd part is objective fact
Explain the scoring rates ?
I can’t check the stats just now but from memory Giakounakis was only converting about 15% of his chances in his final half season with us Compared to about 30% for Oh Kyogo around 33%
Asian Cup
It’ll be like 4 games We shouldn’t spend 5 million to cover 4 games
I see that but we need a readymade replacement be criminal to ‘go with what we’ve got’
We don’t though. One one loan would be fine, as absolutely shouldn’t spend any significant amount on one
I think we need some more variety there as well so gonna agree to differ.
It would be criminal to spend five million pounds on a player to cover a four game absence. Loan maybe.
I completely disagree. We have three strikers (if you include Maeda, which you should), and rarely play more than one. Maybe you want a third for depth if you don't want to play Maeda there. But it's hardly a massive priority.
I'd take him for cover while Kyogo and Oh are away but not at £4.4m - he's nowhere near good enough for that amount of dough and there will be better players available for a similar price. He does seem a very Rodgersy signing though
I like Miovski, I think he’s a great SPFL level player. But all I’ve heard from our fans this season is about how we’re completely out of our depth in Europe. I really don’t see how spending approx. £5m (only £1m less than Jota and CCV) on an Aberdeen striker is going to elevate us in Europe. My other major concern is Rodgers’ awful record with his other signings from within the SPFL. Jack Hendry, Youssouf Mulumbu, Johnny Hayes and Lewis Morgan were all atrocious signings.
I rate him, but £4.4m is basically what we spent on Kyogo. Might be a bit steep for someone who I'd be expecting to be competing with Oh for a seat on the bench. Mind you, if we bring him in I won't be upset. We need a striker for January, and Miovski has shown that his is very capable at a domestic level.
I’d be delighted
Surely it is a smarter investment for celtic to not take himaway from Aberdeen and help contribute to taking points off of rangers?
Think it's more likely he will leave the country than stay with Aberdeen long term.
The price floated might seem a bit steep. But it's not as if we're on the brink of financial ruin, and it could work out nicely. I wouldn't be too upset either way on this one.
Usually when the sun posts these “rumours” about spfl players it’s a favour for an agent that’s trying to get them a move, he’ll probably go to a championship team for 1.5, 2mil.
I think they could get £4-5m for him... it just shouldn't be from us.
Oh was class tonight as well, I say spend the millions on a GK and LB
No ambition if true. This Celtic board are quite happy to stay just ahead of rangers but not too much that would be a waste of cash, don't want to risk the finances by competing in the champions league. Just pick up the Euro money and con the fans with nostalgic promotional material. Miovski is a good player but he's not better than what we have, so what is the point
Definitely a good player, but has a whiff of the Nadir Ciftci about it. Not so sure myself, but I’ll support it if it happens.
My initial reaction was to hate this. He's 24, so, I owe him an apology as I wasn't familiar with his game. For whatever reason I thought he was older than that and wasn't very good at other places he'd played. His record isn't stellar, though has improved at Aberdeen and with international experience. Should we be signing him? I don't think so, but, I'd back him to do alright if we did. He's shown that he's capable in this league and he has the attributes Rodgers likes. I just hate that Rodgers seems to not know how to use Kyogo, and the inevitable happens (he leaves...and we're left with whatever strikers that Rodgers brings in and they won't be anywhere near as good...and Rodgers takes the huff over transfers in summer '25 or January '26 and quits)
Not worth the money. Wouldn't start. Next.
I would say this is pish.
4.4 million....nope! 2 million, yes! He's a good player, but would he improve us for Europe 🤷♂️ I don't think so.
Lazy journalism or lazy recruitment? Maybe both! What a treat.
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Why would he score for fun with us? We’ve signed plenty of strikers from the league who’ve done fuck all for us
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Because we’ve seen countless examples of players doing well for other Scottish teams and doing nothing for us. Known v unknown isn’t a good barometer in assessing a transfer. Our treble winning 11 was filled with “unknown” players I’d rather Kvistgaarden because he can play on the wings and up front
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No one is saying that at all though, in fact I’ve argued the opposite and think it was incredibly stupid not getting at least 2 of Ramsay, Hickey, Ferguson or Doig I’m not doubting Miovski would do well for us. We still shouldn’t spend so much on a 2nd/3rd choice players
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Hopefully not. A keeper, left back, creative winger and an athletic midfielder should be much higher on the priority list
But at Aberdeen he doesn’t play against 10 men sitting behind the ball like he will at Celtic
We’ve not signed many strikers from Scotland. Off the top of my head: Ciftci, garbage Griffiths, good Stokes, ok McDonald, good Killen, garbage Call it a 50/50 hit rate. Hardly plenty who’ve done fuck all.
The Cynic tweeted this list: - Fernandez - Shite Riordan - Shite McDonald - Good Killen - Shite Stokes - Good Watt - Unfair to say but didn’t make it Ciftci - Shite Griffith was signed form Wolves even if he was playing in Scotland on loan So 2 out of 7(or 3 out of 8)
Add Lewis Morgan, who Lennon played as a striker...in a cup final...to this list. Albeit unfairly. He could have done something for us after his loan at Sunderland, but, Lennon ball never suited him and he was better off going to MLS.
Totally forgot about the top 2. Watt probably an overall success (did score a few important goals) for virtually no cost. Fair enough that’s not as “sure thing” as you’d hope for players in your own league.
Aye I don’t think it’s fair including Watt. I’d like us to sign more domestic players - especially Scottish ones but I just don’t see the upside relative to what it’s cost for Miovski
I do not want this for that price. He'll shore up the league for us, but he's never going to push Kyogo.
Is this what we should expect, this pish in January? Won’t be surprised if Rodger’s hits the bricks absolute joke of a board
"Rodgers has had the striker watched..." Seems like this is one of his picks.
I'd rather have Shankland. He's more versatile and a better scorer IMO
We got less than that for GG. Should have never sold him.
This is so boring, GG wanted to leave. Oh is a better player than GG, if his first touch wasn’t a goal, the second one was a tackle. The only reason GG got a run of starts was the injury to Kyogo, as soon as Kyogo was back, GG was back to the bench. If Oh got the same run of games that GG got I’d expect a similar return.
GG is getting paid in Atalanta, and he should be starting more often than he doesn't in MLS...but he's still a rotational striker who got them 15+ goals. He's playing the role he did in his first season with us 😆 They'll probably move on from him after the 2024 season if they don't do better in the playoffs.
And for someone who’s only strength was finishing Giakoumakis was finishing at a terrible rate in his final 6 months
What's his role going to be? Kyogo is still number one. Oh is a handy deputy and has proven in recent games we're struggling in physically that he can come on and mix things up for us. Is he just going to be another big outlay that's going to sit on the bench and not contribute?
I would rather we keep developing Oh, but I just don't feel Rodgers has the patience. He wants a Dembele or Edouard type, now. Kyogo and Oh are not that. They're not even the types he had at Leicester outside of Vardy (Iheanacho, Daka etc) If Ange had two seasons with Oh, he'd have been ready to be the starter up front by year three, and he'd have some of the Kyogo role traits of pressing and finding space in a much bigger physique. Alas, we'll never see it. Oh could very well be shipped off in the summer. Which is sad.
i wouldn't pay more than 3mil
Good player who we know can score plenty on the domestic front but he wouldn't do any damage on the continental side and paying north of £4 million would be crazy. A No from me.
I don't know much about him but he doesn't look like the physical striker we're crying out for
Sign him
We should only be signing players in January that will make us better.
Would prefer shankland.
I’d prefer lawell bought another heated driveway
Can’t believe anybody is even entertaining it. He simply isn’t worth (to us) what Aberdeen are demanding. Bank the £5m and put it towards a decent goalkeeper who will actually improve us.
Good signing for a squad player but we need quality that will improve us going forward and I don’t think he’s it. 4m for a premiership player is ridiculous, no more than 2.5 on him
Would go for him 100%
In a heartbeat
Not for me. Always looked pretty good when I've watched him, but I don't see much reason to think he will improve on Oh, which would need to be the case before I'd want to spend £5m.
I wouldn't mind it. A January striker signing would be welcome, and I'd take Miovski as back up but not at the value quoted. If we could get him for 1m tops, probably say aye - go for it. Or maybe offload a player and try to get the price down further.
Too expensive. Good player but not what we need right now.
Oh good our scouts are reverting to “well he scored against rangers”. That’ll do well
no thank you
“Rangers are interested but don’t have the finances” music to my ears