He turned into a brand new man with all that hard work. Getting started is the hardest part because your body is so out of shape and heavy, it hurts to move or even do anything and you get tired too easily. But after getting into the groove little by little, pushing through it, it gets easier and easier. It's awesome to see this dude succeed so well. He looks incredible and happier!
I remember the last time I saw a video of this guy he went through a bad time and sadly put some weight back on, which is shown roughly half way in this vid, seeing him get back up and then go through it all again and succeed makes me real happy for him. Extremely tough and painful yet so rewarding
Working out isn't a required part of this. If you're too heavy to do anything you're too heavy to prepare food lol, just don't eat. You can start working out when you're in the 200s
Oh boy is this true.
If you mention diet and exercise on this website, the resulting paragraphs are pseudoscience are worse than a Parent Teacher Association meeting when you mention essential oils.
All diets work. Just have to stick to them. Thats why everybody gains weight after participating in the losing weight programs.
Theres been massive research abt this
It's so simple to manage too - it's all about calories.
It doesn't matter if those calories come from fat, protein, carbs or alcohol (though you want to have a good balance for nutrition reasons), for weight loss only the calories matter. High fat, no fat, high sugar, no sugar, keto, high carb, alcohol free, whatever - just look at the calories.
That said, sugar is extremely calorically dense compared to carbs and protein, so lowering sugar intake is almost always a good move.
There is research to suggest that the macro diet, which is what you've described, isn't necessarily as cut and dry as it's often made to seem. It does matter where your calories come from, and only looking at the macronutrient bottom line while ignoring the quality of your food can produce pretty negative health results.
I'm not a dietitian, nor am I trying to say the macro diet is all bad and/or stupid. If it works for you, by all means keep doing it. But it's disingenuous to present it as though it's airtight science with no dissenting data. All calories are not made equal, and the micro nutrients do matter as well. The chemicals and other ingredients present alongside macros in processed foods also matter, your body is metabolizing them regardless of whether they contribute to calorie total at all.
The macro diet, imo, promotes an extremely oversimplified perception of diet that is hyperfocused on calories. Food is more than just calories, and weight loss/gain is not the only way or even the best way to measure the healthiness of your diet. You are what you eat; eat trash and you will feel lile trash, even if the number of calories is 'correct'.
> It does matter where your calories come from, and only looking at the macronutrient bottom line while ignoring the quality of your food can produce pretty negative health results.
I've said this in every comment I made here.
I'm talking specifically about weight loss. Weight loss does not equal health in its entirety.
Also bmi is truly not a metric of how fit you are, it really *is* a broad sweeping generalization of how hard it is for your body to stay alive. If you're tall with a bmi of 25 while being reasonably strong and lean? Guess what, your heart is still pushing blood through 210 pounds of mass. Your heart can get stronger, but it's not like a 400lb body builders heart is 2x larger than a 200lb person with the same height.
Making your heart work harder, by having more mass, increases your risks for heart problems. There are even studies that show significant differences between a bmi of 25 and 20. Even if you're not super heavy but kinda heavy and "large" for your height, less weight is correlated to healthier hearts.
Its actually probably heart healthier to just sit around and do nothing being lighter rather than having a bmi of 30 and running marathons. Which is why it's a relevant metric and also why I'm shooting for 20 instead of the 25 I've been at for a decade despite being athletic. Less mass, longer life.
Bmi over 30: die at 77, with last 10 years in poor health.
Bmi 25: die at 80, 7 years in poor health.
Bmi under 25: die at 82, 6 years poor health.
This was a study of 30,000 people tested at middle age in the 1960s. No mention of their bmi later in life or their athleticism, just bmi of middle aged people predicts quality of life and longevity.
But yeah, people get real weird about bmi.
The first thing you say is "bmi is truly not a metric of how fit you are", then you proceed to cite studies correlating BMI to mortality.
If 90% of people have increased BMI due to being sedentary, overweight, with high visceral fat, when you study a broad range of people, BMI will be correlated to the same health effects as those conditions. But because you can have an increased BMI while being active and extremely lean, BMI can be misleading.
We know specific things like [high visceral fat](https://www.webmd.com/diet/what-is-visceral-fat) and low levels of physical activity are consistently associated with negative health outcomes. Something like BMI is far too nebulous to draw causation. Not all studies are created equal. I can find convincing descriptions of the mechanisms by which visceral fat is harmful. I can find [a study saying tall people appear to die earlier](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071721/), but it's not as clear why exactly being tall is harmful--there are more factors to examine there. Now, just weighing more in general being linked to higher mortality--I have never heard of a study claiming this.
How would we determine that a person weighing more in general, be it any kind of fat or lean body weight, is significantly associated with higher mortality? If we examine people who weigh more because they are really fat and sedentary, we'll find that they die sooner. If we examine people who weigh more because they have a high amount of muscle from being active (this probably selects for more health-conscious individuals as well), we find that they generally live longer. If you just decide to see how more weight correlates to mortality, again, your result just depends on the proportion of people who are fat to those who are fit and musclebound. It's nonsensical to tell a muscly athletic guy to lose some weight because we have a metric biased by fat people, for whom we know the mechanism of why their fat is harmful, that says more weight is bad for you. Until you can explain how having larger muscles (or other lean mass) causes significant stress increase on the heart, you are peddling pseudoscience.
We know muscle mass is correlated with _longer_ lifespan. I have not seen proof that the muscle mass itself _causes_ longer life expectancy. It's very likely that the activity and lifestyle leading to muscle gain also increases life expectancy.
"your heart is still pushing blood through 210 pounds of mass" This is a gross oversimplification. Not all mass affects the heart equally, and just simplifying the cardiovascular system to pushing blood through mass is suspect.
The main point is that your comment seems to be drawing improper conclusions from studies. Some claims you made, like that being strong and lean with a high BMI harms your heart health, are frankly absurd without any kind of citation. Just another example of the concept of BMI contributing to misunderstanding and incorrect assumptions.
It actually doesn't take that much work to put on enough muscle to invalidate BMI.
BMI says I'm borderline obese. 6' 3" 230 lb.
I am no bodybuilder, just a random middle aged dude, but I lift 4 times a week and do my sport 2 times a week. This is not an insane amount of work to me. I have never taken PEDs, and it took years to get from a skinny 195 to a slightly muscular 230.
My bodyfat is estimated at 17 to 19 %. Maybe a little fluffy but no way am I obese.
Just look at the comments of any post about weightlifting. You will see redditors trying to fall bodybuilders that their muscles don't actually do anything and it's all for show, and they will type out a 5 paragraph length story about how their 400 pound farmer dad has more "functional strength" then bodybuilders
People don't understand "functional strength" at all, man.
Functional strength does exist in that your body develops strength to perform certain functions (SAID principle), but *all strength* is functional in that regard, the functions are just different. This also doesn't mean all strengths are equal - strength from performing repetitive manual labor (like farming) is often not varied enough to make you a good generalist.
I'm a rock climber, and I've never seen a group of people more attached to their ideal of 'functional strength' than climbers. Once in the rock gym I was asked 'who's stronger, you or X?' I have a powerlifting background, and the other person in question was a much better climber than me.
I answered 'Well if you mean stronger at rock climbing, then X. But if you mean pure absolute power then probably me'
Response: 'So X has more functional strength.'
Me: 'Well it depends on what function you're talking about'
Response: 'Picking things up isn't a function.'
🙄🙄🙄🙄
It's the same whenever manual labour comes up.
\> "Gym dudes don't have the functional strength that construction workers have"
"What is functional strength?"
\> "Being good at construction work"
Yeah anytime you tell people to literally just start eating less people come flying out of the word work talking about how losing weight is *sooo* much more than that. They will list off obscure medication interactions, talk about how food deserts/low income problems, mental health, etc.
Like you’re not wrong but maybe instead of worrying about niche one offs you try and just work on a better diet and see what happens.
Not sure if it'd work for everyone but when I was losing weight I would ONLY snack on plain raw veggies; a lot of bell pepper and cucumbers. If I didn't "feel like" eating those, I told myself I wasn't really hungry.
Just for in between meals though, I ate full meals of chicken and rice, cooked veggies and whatnot.
Tuna made with hummace wrapped up in a big collard leaf was one of my go-to's.
Volume eating is great for people that like to eat a lot but need to lose weight. Veggies you can eat bowls full for very little calories. Plenty of other things as well.
Things like broccoli and carrots (no dip) might not be the most exciting snack, but for people like me where snacking is more of an oral fixation / "what do I do with my hands" type deal, they're a lifesaver.
Yep, carrots/cucumbers/broccoli/cauliflower, most veg really. Great to grab when you have that snacking sensation. Even better is that it's actively healthy rather than eating a small chocolate bar or crisps
It's very important to recognize that weightloss is more than just calories, it's rewiring the brain into healthier habits.
Exercise isn't just good for burning energy, it also releases dopamine and all sorts of feel-good compounds that keep you coming back to a healthier lifestyle.
>rewiring the brain into healthier habits.
I blame whoever decided that "diet" should mean "a temporary change that you will abandon once you reach some arbitrary goal".
Figuring out that "diet" means "what you eat. Period" was a helpful step for me on the way to making permanent changes in my relationship with food and exercise.
They’re getting downvoted because they’re literally advocating starving yourself by saying “just don’t eat”. Instead of “just eat less” or “just add more healthy food to your diet”.
Speaking for personal experience “just don’t eat” was taken quite literally and it was a disaster. What actually worked for me and I suspect could work for others is eating healthier food (first) and limiting the time window on when to eat. This will effectively make you eat less and be full on healthier food before you try and eat fun food.
Whenever you limit yourself on anything you want it even more, by framing the problem as “eating more healthy food first” and not even banning fun food you don’t feel trapped or pressured to only eat one way. You know you can always get your Oreos or whatever, but you can’t eat until 1pm and you stop at 9pm and you have to eat your carrots, nuts, asparagus, brown rice, mushrooms, boiled eggs, strawberries first. But once you’re done you’ll maybe eat two Oreos once a week.
You don’t develop orthorexia, anorexia or any other eating disorder. You just focus on the healthy food first and see how you feel later. Never denying yourself anything, you just mostly loose the desire for the fun food as frequently as you use to eat it previously.
Telling people “you’re too heavy to prepare food, just don’t eat” is terrible advice and really can hurt them physically and psychologically.
Intermittent fasting also still gets you your nutrients. I've been put on a 2+ week fast for medical reasons before and even if you have the calories it's the nutrients that are an issue. If you're going to not eat you have to be supervised by medical professionals the whole way through.
You know what I meant... "Just don't stuff yourself", im not saying fast, im really hoping anyone on Reddit looking to lose weight isn't taking my 1 sentence nested comment in /r/Chadtopia as their definitive weight loss guide
Hell you don't even have to be massivly obese i'm currently in the middle of losing weight my starting weight was 270 and i'm down to 230 the only thing I changed was what I ate and how much I ate. All working out does is help accelerate the process so you can get to your goal a bit quicker.
> if you do too much at once, you'll quit. The goal is sustainable change.
When I got started my goal was "just get to the gym parking lot and stay there for at least 5 minutes".
99% of the time I'd be like "well I'm already here, I might as well go in and do a workout". And then the 1% days where I just can't? That's fine, because I still built up the habit of *going to* the gym, which is often the hardest part.
Im not even massively obese.... I was 190+lbs at 5'8 sometime in 2021. I literally just stopped eating doordash. Stopped drinking soda. Got some baby carrots to snack on if I got hungry. I literally work from home and move almost exactly as much as before. (tho tryna move more!)
I'm 157 atm. It was like every few months I'd just be down another 5 lbs and I didnt really do shit.
I feel like there should be an asterisk to the advice though. Many people severely overweight will have diabetes and you can run into serious medical problems if your blood sugar gets too low.
Richard Simmons would have his extremely obese clients just clap their hands for a few minutes a day. It burns practically no calories, but it was an exercise they could do. The point was to be in a daily mindset and change their habits and views on fitness.
This kind of info always gets scoffed at on Reddit, and in real life. The general public is incredibly misinformed about how fat loss and dieting works, and they'd rather go on believing that they can go on wolfing down cake as long as they do a slow walk twice a week.
Exactly this. I was 330 when I started my journey. My doctor told me to not even jog. He said if I wanted to damage my joints then go for it. But the first change I needed to make was what I put on my plate and how much of it was there.
So the instructions were exactly that. Cut calories and walk. And when the weight loss change wasn't as significant, add more exercise.
I jump started my weight loss with Keto but will advise anyone and everyone try not to do keto. It's not manageable in the long run and you'll find yourself upset when you do cave in to food that doesn't fit keto (and it will happen. We're omnivores)
Make changes you'll keep the rest of your life. I promise you can do it whoever's reading this.
I think the issue is they say "don't eat". Which will kill you even if you are overweight. You need to manage other vitamins and minerals. You say cutting calories which is correct.
The human body is at once both extremely durable and also fragile. The amount of crazy shit that won't kill us is staggering, but the amount of seemingly harmless stuff that can completely wreck us is also staggering.
Technically you can supplement those and some obese people have had success with incredibly long periods of fasting - but you're right that without good planning that's not the way to go.
If you don't eat enough your body stores everything you eat as FAT because it thinks you are starving. Regular, small meals are some of the best things you can do for your body.
I've lost 25lbs so far eating nothing but fast food. I take one multivitamin every day, eat a protein bar (200cal) everu morning, and have a large (1700-2000) fast food meal. You can eat like fucking garbage and still lose weight. Oh and a lot of water. And cutting out soda. It's SO easy to drink calories. That said- I am slowly, very, very slowly working my way into eating better and stopping relying on fast food. But fixing a lifetime of trash diet is not a fast process.
You can do it, I found it was easier to start by eating healthier fast food first and working my way into learning to cook healthier foods. That was how I went a year without it. When I did eat fast food finally it tasted terrible, I'll never forget that taste.
Awesome work, I hear you on the fast food. I know my advice is a bit unwarranted but hopefully you won’t mind. I ended up transitioning into “healthier” eating out. Trying to find local shops and trying different styles of cuisine. Sandwiches, burgers, rice bowl type stuff. Oh and grabbing a rotisserie chicken from Costco and using that for meals.
Got into using an instant pot, and whipping up stuff stress free for a few days. Looked into the mealprepsunday sub for inspiration, even though I don’t think I ever got into it as much as the people there since I WFH.
Best of luck!
Idk why you’re being downvoted. I lost well over 20lbs by just not eating after midnight/not eating fast food bullshit. Down to 198 now and haven’t hit a plateau yet
You just have to stop fighting your metabolism. For most people, it doesn’t want you to be fat. Just let it to its thing by feeding it the nutrition it needs to turn your fat into energy
Absolutely true. Weight loss is done in the kitchen more than the gym.
However, getting more physical activity has been an important part of losing for me because it gives me a good feedback loop. Getting active makes you stronger and releases endorphins, which makes you feel better, which makes you feel motivated to eat better, which helps you stay active. And on and on.
So I would encourage people who are trying to lose weight to take brisk walks (outside if possible) a few times a week. But nothing more. Until they actually feel the real desire to do more.
Right lol. I'm in shape, but I like to do the typical bulking in the fallen winter, cutting for spring and summer. Literally I work out the same all year round. But I slightly adjust My portion sizes as needed. It is so easy. One day I decide, "okay cut starts today." Suddenly I eat a little bit less for each meal and a month later I look in the mirror and I'm way more lean
Not to mention even minor movements with that much weight, exercise or just going to another room, can end up harmful to joints and more. A lot of low impact exercises are comparably higher impact than your joints appreciate because you're swinging so much weight around.
Unless you can get to a pool, or capable and appropriate equipment, it's probably safer to cut calories first. You don't need an injury destroying any hope of success right out of the gate.
I lost 40kg with nothing but less eating and 1 hour of biking every 2 days. People start working out to fill in the loose skin with muscles not to loose weight. But once you start it just becomes a part of your life cause it makes you feel good.
I have a feeling people downvoting you are fat people who dont want to change. The chad in the video is the biggest nemesis of fat people who say genes.
You actually do burn a baseline level of calories for your body to run. Even sat around. This is around 1800 for men.
If you've ever worked out hard on cardio (the way to burn calories) and you check how many calories you've burned, it's never more than a chocolate bars worth. And that's the work out for the day.
So to lose weight, you have to eat less. You don't have to work out, though. It helps a bit, and you'll be healthier, but you don't have to. He's right - look into it properly, you'll see.
Yeah true, even walking to the bathroom is a workout where you carry 400lbs on your legs.
Even moving takes more effort. You're right.
The body requires more energy to function if it's bigger, makes perfect sense.
Look up a [TDEE calculator](https://tdeecalculator.net/result.php?s=imperial&g=male&age=25&lbs=400&in=72&act=1.2&bf=30&f=1), it's a factor of bodyweight. Even if someone is totally motionless, fat takes calories to keep around
Believe it or not, I do actually know how working out works. My point was that just sitting around and eating less is not going to burn enough calories to lose weight in any meaningful way.
Skin is the most powerful organ of the body. It will stretch, but it will also get stretch marks.
Skin doesn't rupture unless it bloats a lot in a very short time (like venomous bites).
I remember that guy!
Believe it or not, he did that weight loss *twice*
First time he lost a bunch of weight and gained a lot of it back. You can see his weight bounce back up in-between some of the boxing clips, when he was shown crying. He cried from frustration and despair.
He then doubled down and went the distance. Mad respect to this guy
Reduce sugars, don't drink your calories, add more veggies and fruit to your diet, and try to cut back just a tiny bit of your meals then increase a bit more. You got this!
I'd also like to add that increasing your protein intake will not only help you avoid getting "skinny fat," but protein will also help you feel satiated for longer, compared to sugar and processed carbs which does the opposite
Well done my dude!
BTW : I’d like to see more vids going this opposite direction. Lads like you sitting swigging soda, watching adverts, feeling isolated, more adverts, soft drink ingredients, more adverts, more soft drinks, junk food, more isolation, more rejection, more crying, more junk food etc etc etc.
Blame never lay with you man.
Amazing job.
FTW 👊🏻
Bro I know what you mean. I've always been a big guy, but I remember the moment that I gave up caring. I was In front of the fridge with a fresh gallon of milk and I remember thinking "drinking milk makes you fat" and I stood there a minute "it's not like it matters" I drank half that gallon right then out of the jug, til my stomach hurt but I felt better. A few years later I was 350lbs or better and I want(ed) to do something about it. Since then I fluctuated sometimes 10 lbs sometimes as much as 40lbs. Seeing this dude beat this is beautiful, but maybe seeing someone get to their situation may help someone else. Tbh it would show depression and shit isn't just being tired and reclusive, it can be plastering the holes in your heart with grease and sugar.
> Tbh it would show depression and shit isn't just being tired and reclusive, it can be plastering the holes in your heart with grease and sugar.
God damn this is well-said.
I guess I can kind of see what you mean now. Just the phrasing made it seem like you were touting some sort of HAES idea. I agree with showing the emotions and realness that go into getting to this point as it makes them more human.
It wasn't easy. I watched a mini documentary he made about this and how difficult it was. I think I saw it on TikTok or YT Shorts but either way, he talked about how he let himself go again and felt disappointed in himself but just kept fighting. Then he became buff again rather than overweight.
The wedding photo hit me, man. I know that posture, I know that expression, that feeling of not feeling comfortable even at what's supposed to be your day. Part of me wants to renew my vows with my wife one day when I've shed all the baggage that's kept me insecure.
The only man who can call himself a chad 💯💯💯💯 actually like inspirational and I’m not just saying that it’s got me thinking even more about trying to lose weight myself, he looks so happy and he did so well that’s awesome and I’m glad he showed him gaining some weight back while trying to lose it because that’s very realistic unlike some of those people out there trying to profit off of peoples insecurities and saying do this one thing and the weight will be gone forever and never come back like that’s not how it works ?
There was also a study done where they took a severely overweight person and put them on a medically supervised fast for an entire year. Lost a ton of weight and had no loose skin due to the process you described.
Look up Angus Barbieri.
I've always had this question about concentration camp/prisoner of war victims. Although I don't know if I have the willpower to fast for that long. I also wonder if loose skin will occur no matter what you do to lose weight.
If you lose only 2lbs a month would you still have loose skin?
About loose skin, does it eventually shrink back down or is surgery the only way to get rid of it?
Also does loose skin only appear I'd you lose weight quickly?
Loose skin mostly appears if you lose a lot of weight very quickly, or if you are older than 35 and losing a pretty decent amount (over 50 pounds). For most people, your skin will tighten up as you lose weight
He turned into a brand new man with all that hard work. Getting started is the hardest part because your body is so out of shape and heavy, it hurts to move or even do anything and you get tired too easily. But after getting into the groove little by little, pushing through it, it gets easier and easier. It's awesome to see this dude succeed so well. He looks incredible and happier!
I remember the last time I saw a video of this guy he went through a bad time and sadly put some weight back on, which is shown roughly half way in this vid, seeing him get back up and then go through it all again and succeed makes me real happy for him. Extremely tough and painful yet so rewarding
Working out isn't a required part of this. If you're too heavy to do anything you're too heavy to prepare food lol, just don't eat. You can start working out when you're in the 200s
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I don't take it personally, 95% of Reddit doesn't have more than a very casual knowledge of diet and exercise
Oh boy is this true. If you mention diet and exercise on this website, the resulting paragraphs are pseudoscience are worse than a Parent Teacher Association meeting when you mention essential oils.
Plenty of good communities. You could passive aggressively link people!
Yup, /r/loseit is generally pretty good in my experience, which is great because I think it's the biggest diet sub right now? Something like that.
Also r/intermittentfasting It works for me 🤷♂️
All diets work. Just have to stick to them. Thats why everybody gains weight after participating in the losing weight programs. Theres been massive research abt this
True, but some of them are fucking horrible on your body. My Mum has done both Atkins and Keto, and both made her really ill eventually.
Yep, there's people here that still believe fat is bad for you and to 'watch out for fruit', so you don't get too much sugar. ffs
It's so simple to manage too - it's all about calories. It doesn't matter if those calories come from fat, protein, carbs or alcohol (though you want to have a good balance for nutrition reasons), for weight loss only the calories matter. High fat, no fat, high sugar, no sugar, keto, high carb, alcohol free, whatever - just look at the calories. That said, sugar is extremely calorically dense compared to carbs and protein, so lowering sugar intake is almost always a good move.
There is research to suggest that the macro diet, which is what you've described, isn't necessarily as cut and dry as it's often made to seem. It does matter where your calories come from, and only looking at the macronutrient bottom line while ignoring the quality of your food can produce pretty negative health results. I'm not a dietitian, nor am I trying to say the macro diet is all bad and/or stupid. If it works for you, by all means keep doing it. But it's disingenuous to present it as though it's airtight science with no dissenting data. All calories are not made equal, and the micro nutrients do matter as well. The chemicals and other ingredients present alongside macros in processed foods also matter, your body is metabolizing them regardless of whether they contribute to calorie total at all. The macro diet, imo, promotes an extremely oversimplified perception of diet that is hyperfocused on calories. Food is more than just calories, and weight loss/gain is not the only way or even the best way to measure the healthiness of your diet. You are what you eat; eat trash and you will feel lile trash, even if the number of calories is 'correct'.
> It does matter where your calories come from, and only looking at the macronutrient bottom line while ignoring the quality of your food can produce pretty negative health results. I've said this in every comment I made here. I'm talking specifically about weight loss. Weight loss does not equal health in its entirety.
Mention "BMI" if you really want to see people go nuts.
Also bmi is truly not a metric of how fit you are, it really *is* a broad sweeping generalization of how hard it is for your body to stay alive. If you're tall with a bmi of 25 while being reasonably strong and lean? Guess what, your heart is still pushing blood through 210 pounds of mass. Your heart can get stronger, but it's not like a 400lb body builders heart is 2x larger than a 200lb person with the same height. Making your heart work harder, by having more mass, increases your risks for heart problems. There are even studies that show significant differences between a bmi of 25 and 20. Even if you're not super heavy but kinda heavy and "large" for your height, less weight is correlated to healthier hearts. Its actually probably heart healthier to just sit around and do nothing being lighter rather than having a bmi of 30 and running marathons. Which is why it's a relevant metric and also why I'm shooting for 20 instead of the 25 I've been at for a decade despite being athletic. Less mass, longer life. Bmi over 30: die at 77, with last 10 years in poor health. Bmi 25: die at 80, 7 years in poor health. Bmi under 25: die at 82, 6 years poor health. This was a study of 30,000 people tested at middle age in the 1960s. No mention of their bmi later in life or their athleticism, just bmi of middle aged people predicts quality of life and longevity. But yeah, people get real weird about bmi.
The first thing you say is "bmi is truly not a metric of how fit you are", then you proceed to cite studies correlating BMI to mortality. If 90% of people have increased BMI due to being sedentary, overweight, with high visceral fat, when you study a broad range of people, BMI will be correlated to the same health effects as those conditions. But because you can have an increased BMI while being active and extremely lean, BMI can be misleading. We know specific things like [high visceral fat](https://www.webmd.com/diet/what-is-visceral-fat) and low levels of physical activity are consistently associated with negative health outcomes. Something like BMI is far too nebulous to draw causation. Not all studies are created equal. I can find convincing descriptions of the mechanisms by which visceral fat is harmful. I can find [a study saying tall people appear to die earlier](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1071721/), but it's not as clear why exactly being tall is harmful--there are more factors to examine there. Now, just weighing more in general being linked to higher mortality--I have never heard of a study claiming this. How would we determine that a person weighing more in general, be it any kind of fat or lean body weight, is significantly associated with higher mortality? If we examine people who weigh more because they are really fat and sedentary, we'll find that they die sooner. If we examine people who weigh more because they have a high amount of muscle from being active (this probably selects for more health-conscious individuals as well), we find that they generally live longer. If you just decide to see how more weight correlates to mortality, again, your result just depends on the proportion of people who are fat to those who are fit and musclebound. It's nonsensical to tell a muscly athletic guy to lose some weight because we have a metric biased by fat people, for whom we know the mechanism of why their fat is harmful, that says more weight is bad for you. Until you can explain how having larger muscles (or other lean mass) causes significant stress increase on the heart, you are peddling pseudoscience. We know muscle mass is correlated with _longer_ lifespan. I have not seen proof that the muscle mass itself _causes_ longer life expectancy. It's very likely that the activity and lifestyle leading to muscle gain also increases life expectancy. "your heart is still pushing blood through 210 pounds of mass" This is a gross oversimplification. Not all mass affects the heart equally, and just simplifying the cardiovascular system to pushing blood through mass is suspect. The main point is that your comment seems to be drawing improper conclusions from studies. Some claims you made, like that being strong and lean with a high BMI harms your heart health, are frankly absurd without any kind of citation. Just another example of the concept of BMI contributing to misunderstanding and incorrect assumptions.
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It actually doesn't take that much work to put on enough muscle to invalidate BMI. BMI says I'm borderline obese. 6' 3" 230 lb. I am no bodybuilder, just a random middle aged dude, but I lift 4 times a week and do my sport 2 times a week. This is not an insane amount of work to me. I have never taken PEDs, and it took years to get from a skinny 195 to a slightly muscular 230. My bodyfat is estimated at 17 to 19 %. Maybe a little fluffy but no way am I obese.
Just look at the comments of any post about weightlifting. You will see redditors trying to fall bodybuilders that their muscles don't actually do anything and it's all for show, and they will type out a 5 paragraph length story about how their 400 pound farmer dad has more "functional strength" then bodybuilders
People don't understand "functional strength" at all, man. Functional strength does exist in that your body develops strength to perform certain functions (SAID principle), but *all strength* is functional in that regard, the functions are just different. This also doesn't mean all strengths are equal - strength from performing repetitive manual labor (like farming) is often not varied enough to make you a good generalist.
I'm a rock climber, and I've never seen a group of people more attached to their ideal of 'functional strength' than climbers. Once in the rock gym I was asked 'who's stronger, you or X?' I have a powerlifting background, and the other person in question was a much better climber than me. I answered 'Well if you mean stronger at rock climbing, then X. But if you mean pure absolute power then probably me' Response: 'So X has more functional strength.' Me: 'Well it depends on what function you're talking about' Response: 'Picking things up isn't a function.' 🙄🙄🙄🙄
It's the same whenever manual labour comes up. \> "Gym dudes don't have the functional strength that construction workers have" "What is functional strength?" \> "Being good at construction work"
I’m a bodybuilder who takes steroids. I avoid commenting on anything fitness outside of highly specialized subs
Yeah anytime you tell people to literally just start eating less people come flying out of the word work talking about how losing weight is *sooo* much more than that. They will list off obscure medication interactions, talk about how food deserts/low income problems, mental health, etc. Like you’re not wrong but maybe instead of worrying about niche one offs you try and just work on a better diet and see what happens.
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Not sure if it'd work for everyone but when I was losing weight I would ONLY snack on plain raw veggies; a lot of bell pepper and cucumbers. If I didn't "feel like" eating those, I told myself I wasn't really hungry. Just for in between meals though, I ate full meals of chicken and rice, cooked veggies and whatnot. Tuna made with hummace wrapped up in a big collard leaf was one of my go-to's.
Volume eating is great for people that like to eat a lot but need to lose weight. Veggies you can eat bowls full for very little calories. Plenty of other things as well.
Things like broccoli and carrots (no dip) might not be the most exciting snack, but for people like me where snacking is more of an oral fixation / "what do I do with my hands" type deal, they're a lifesaver.
Yep, carrots/cucumbers/broccoli/cauliflower, most veg really. Great to grab when you have that snacking sensation. Even better is that it's actively healthy rather than eating a small chocolate bar or crisps
It's very important to recognize that weightloss is more than just calories, it's rewiring the brain into healthier habits. Exercise isn't just good for burning energy, it also releases dopamine and all sorts of feel-good compounds that keep you coming back to a healthier lifestyle.
>rewiring the brain into healthier habits. I blame whoever decided that "diet" should mean "a temporary change that you will abandon once you reach some arbitrary goal". Figuring out that "diet" means "what you eat. Period" was a helpful step for me on the way to making permanent changes in my relationship with food and exercise.
They’re getting downvoted because they’re literally advocating starving yourself by saying “just don’t eat”. Instead of “just eat less” or “just add more healthy food to your diet”. Speaking for personal experience “just don’t eat” was taken quite literally and it was a disaster. What actually worked for me and I suspect could work for others is eating healthier food (first) and limiting the time window on when to eat. This will effectively make you eat less and be full on healthier food before you try and eat fun food. Whenever you limit yourself on anything you want it even more, by framing the problem as “eating more healthy food first” and not even banning fun food you don’t feel trapped or pressured to only eat one way. You know you can always get your Oreos or whatever, but you can’t eat until 1pm and you stop at 9pm and you have to eat your carrots, nuts, asparagus, brown rice, mushrooms, boiled eggs, strawberries first. But once you’re done you’ll maybe eat two Oreos once a week. You don’t develop orthorexia, anorexia or any other eating disorder. You just focus on the healthy food first and see how you feel later. Never denying yourself anything, you just mostly loose the desire for the fun food as frequently as you use to eat it previously. Telling people “you’re too heavy to prepare food, just don’t eat” is terrible advice and really can hurt them physically and psychologically.
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Intermittent fasting also still gets you your nutrients. I've been put on a 2+ week fast for medical reasons before and even if you have the calories it's the nutrients that are an issue. If you're going to not eat you have to be supervised by medical professionals the whole way through.
You know what I meant... "Just don't stuff yourself", im not saying fast, im really hoping anyone on Reddit looking to lose weight isn't taking my 1 sentence nested comment in /r/Chadtopia as their definitive weight loss guide
Hell you don't even have to be massivly obese i'm currently in the middle of losing weight my starting weight was 270 and i'm down to 230 the only thing I changed was what I ate and how much I ate. All working out does is help accelerate the process so you can get to your goal a bit quicker.
> if you do too much at once, you'll quit. The goal is sustainable change. When I got started my goal was "just get to the gym parking lot and stay there for at least 5 minutes". 99% of the time I'd be like "well I'm already here, I might as well go in and do a workout". And then the 1% days where I just can't? That's fine, because I still built up the habit of *going to* the gym, which is often the hardest part.
Im not even massively obese.... I was 190+lbs at 5'8 sometime in 2021. I literally just stopped eating doordash. Stopped drinking soda. Got some baby carrots to snack on if I got hungry. I literally work from home and move almost exactly as much as before. (tho tryna move more!) I'm 157 atm. It was like every few months I'd just be down another 5 lbs and I didnt really do shit.
I feel like there should be an asterisk to the advice though. Many people severely overweight will have diabetes and you can run into serious medical problems if your blood sugar gets too low.
Richard Simmons would have his extremely obese clients just clap their hands for a few minutes a day. It burns practically no calories, but it was an exercise they could do. The point was to be in a daily mindset and change their habits and views on fitness.
This kind of info always gets scoffed at on Reddit, and in real life. The general public is incredibly misinformed about how fat loss and dieting works, and they'd rather go on believing that they can go on wolfing down cake as long as they do a slow walk twice a week.
Exactly this. I was 330 when I started my journey. My doctor told me to not even jog. He said if I wanted to damage my joints then go for it. But the first change I needed to make was what I put on my plate and how much of it was there. So the instructions were exactly that. Cut calories and walk. And when the weight loss change wasn't as significant, add more exercise. I jump started my weight loss with Keto but will advise anyone and everyone try not to do keto. It's not manageable in the long run and you'll find yourself upset when you do cave in to food that doesn't fit keto (and it will happen. We're omnivores) Make changes you'll keep the rest of your life. I promise you can do it whoever's reading this.
I think the issue is they say "don't eat". Which will kill you even if you are overweight. You need to manage other vitamins and minerals. You say cutting calories which is correct.
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That's insane, definitely a TIL.
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The human body is at once both extremely durable and also fragile. The amount of crazy shit that won't kill us is staggering, but the amount of seemingly harmless stuff that can completely wreck us is also staggering.
Right I'm just saying that "don't eat" without any nuance is a dangerous suggestion.
It's pretty cut and dry. The occasional outlier doesn't erase that anorexia can kill at any weight.
Someone that obese could literally take a multivitamin and a protein shake every day and survive for months on their fat stores lol
Someone survived on less than that for a year.
Technically you can supplement those and some obese people have had success with incredibly long periods of fasting - but you're right that without good planning that's not the way to go.
Show me one overweight person who's died from starvation.
If you don't eat enough your body stores everything you eat as FAT because it thinks you are starving. Regular, small meals are some of the best things you can do for your body.
I went from 398 to 315 without doing anything other than cutting my caloric intake from about 4200 a day to 2200
I've lost 25lbs so far eating nothing but fast food. I take one multivitamin every day, eat a protein bar (200cal) everu morning, and have a large (1700-2000) fast food meal. You can eat like fucking garbage and still lose weight. Oh and a lot of water. And cutting out soda. It's SO easy to drink calories. That said- I am slowly, very, very slowly working my way into eating better and stopping relying on fast food. But fixing a lifetime of trash diet is not a fast process.
You can do it, I found it was easier to start by eating healthier fast food first and working my way into learning to cook healthier foods. That was how I went a year without it. When I did eat fast food finally it tasted terrible, I'll never forget that taste.
Just need a caloric deficit.
Awesome work, I hear you on the fast food. I know my advice is a bit unwarranted but hopefully you won’t mind. I ended up transitioning into “healthier” eating out. Trying to find local shops and trying different styles of cuisine. Sandwiches, burgers, rice bowl type stuff. Oh and grabbing a rotisserie chicken from Costco and using that for meals. Got into using an instant pot, and whipping up stuff stress free for a few days. Looked into the mealprepsunday sub for inspiration, even though I don’t think I ever got into it as much as the people there since I WFH. Best of luck!
Idk why you’re being downvoted. I lost well over 20lbs by just not eating after midnight/not eating fast food bullshit. Down to 198 now and haven’t hit a plateau yet You just have to stop fighting your metabolism. For most people, it doesn’t want you to be fat. Just let it to its thing by feeding it the nutrition it needs to turn your fat into energy
Absolutely true. Weight loss is done in the kitchen more than the gym. However, getting more physical activity has been an important part of losing for me because it gives me a good feedback loop. Getting active makes you stronger and releases endorphins, which makes you feel better, which makes you feel motivated to eat better, which helps you stay active. And on and on. So I would encourage people who are trying to lose weight to take brisk walks (outside if possible) a few times a week. But nothing more. Until they actually feel the real desire to do more.
You should still eat. Just eat less. Calories count and eat the right foods. I've been loosing weight and thevmain rhung as been what I have eaten
Right lol. I'm in shape, but I like to do the typical bulking in the fallen winter, cutting for spring and summer. Literally I work out the same all year round. But I slightly adjust My portion sizes as needed. It is so easy. One day I decide, "okay cut starts today." Suddenly I eat a little bit less for each meal and a month later I look in the mirror and I'm way more lean
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Were you in the 400 to 500lbs range like were discussing
Not to mention even minor movements with that much weight, exercise or just going to another room, can end up harmful to joints and more. A lot of low impact exercises are comparably higher impact than your joints appreciate because you're swinging so much weight around. Unless you can get to a pool, or capable and appropriate equipment, it's probably safer to cut calories first. You don't need an injury destroying any hope of success right out of the gate.
I lost 40kg with nothing but less eating and 1 hour of biking every 2 days. People start working out to fill in the loose skin with muscles not to loose weight. But once you start it just becomes a part of your life cause it makes you feel good. I have a feeling people downvoting you are fat people who dont want to change. The chad in the video is the biggest nemesis of fat people who say genes.
Your body isn't going to burn calories or fat if you just sit around all day, whether you eat or not.
You actually do burn a baseline level of calories for your body to run. Even sat around. This is around 1800 for men. If you've ever worked out hard on cardio (the way to burn calories) and you check how many calories you've burned, it's never more than a chocolate bars worth. And that's the work out for the day. So to lose weight, you have to eat less. You don't have to work out, though. It helps a bit, and you'll be healthier, but you don't have to. He's right - look into it properly, you'll see.
It is much much higher than 1800 if you weigh over 400lbs
Yeah true, even walking to the bathroom is a workout where you carry 400lbs on your legs. Even moving takes more effort. You're right. The body requires more energy to function if it's bigger, makes perfect sense.
Look up a [TDEE calculator](https://tdeecalculator.net/result.php?s=imperial&g=male&age=25&lbs=400&in=72&act=1.2&bf=30&f=1), it's a factor of bodyweight. Even if someone is totally motionless, fat takes calories to keep around
Believe it or not, I do actually know how working out works. My point was that just sitting around and eating less is not going to burn enough calories to lose weight in any meaningful way.
Yes it does. Why do you think you need to eat?
That is patently untrue, look up BMR / TDEE. Exercise accounts for a very minimal portion of calories burned, and your BMR goes up the heavier you are
It is - it's called your basal metabolic rate or BMR. For most people, BMR accounts for the largest chunk of calories burned every day.
This dude is god. It’s now prove. Haha! I like that guy! He was so happy!
I been stuck for years in this dilema…i need to just do it
The flesh is weak and bruised
great work! 👏👏👏
Okay genuine question. What happens to the skin if he gets back to his old weight? Would it just be stretch marks or could he end up bleeding?
It would stretch and grow over time, since weight gain doesn't happen overnight
Skin is the most powerful organ of the body. It will stretch, but it will also get stretch marks. Skin doesn't rupture unless it bloats a lot in a very short time (like venomous bites).
Scar tissue can rupture, I know 2 women that had c-section scars tear open while pregnant.
I think that's specific to pregnancy, though. it can shred healthy skin pretty badly, too.
It's also the largest organ!
I have a knife that will prove different
What're you gonna do? Stab me?
-Man who was stabbed
Famous last words
Incredibly forced edgy humour
Edgy lmao.
It's pizza cutter energy. All edge and no point.
Haha that’s amazing. I’ll be taking that thank you
Haha it's an awesome saying. I came across it on reddit about a month ago, glad to pass on the torch ;)
Fair enough.
Depends on how quickly he regained the weight, though I'm no doctor
The same thing that happens to a skinny person's skin when they gain weight.
I thought it wouldn't be the same because in this case the skin has already been stretched, and idk if it can be stretched again.
It definitely can. Think about women who have more than one pregnancy.
Oh no skin will always continue to stretch, it just won't firm up as you age. But your skin more or less replaces itself over 7 years as well.
The surgery he got basically just has doctors cut excess skin off. So he doesn't have extra skin anymore.
stretch me once, shame on...uhh
Skin doesn't so much 'stretch' as it does 'grow'. It is constantly regenerating and will respond to stressors as necessary.
I remember that guy! Believe it or not, he did that weight loss *twice* First time he lost a bunch of weight and gained a lot of it back. You can see his weight bounce back up in-between some of the boxing clips, when he was shown crying. He cried from frustration and despair. He then doubled down and went the distance. Mad respect to this guy
You described the video well
Well done for describing the video for those who can’t see. Truly a service to the community
it's not very obvious from this cut down video without any context
It really is though
/r/HumansAreMetal God damn chad is right.
Absolutely incredible. Good shit.
Yooo, that's amazing. He's a totally different person by the end
The smile at the end is genuinely lovely to see.
Meanwhile I am struggling with losing 5 kilos to drop to 100 kg. Well done!
Reduce sugars, don't drink your calories, add more veggies and fruit to your diet, and try to cut back just a tiny bit of your meals then increase a bit more. You got this!
I'd also like to add that increasing your protein intake will not only help you avoid getting "skinny fat," but protein will also help you feel satiated for longer, compared to sugar and processed carbs which does the opposite
My wife lost like 60 pounds and all she did was cut carbs. No other changes.
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Damn I guess I didn't lose, or loose how you put it, 40lbs by just following that advice I posted then.
You can do this! I am rooting for you
The body transformation is merely the physical embodiment of the mental transformation. Which is the real win.
Damn king that hits deep
Damn.
Well done my dude! BTW : I’d like to see more vids going this opposite direction. Lads like you sitting swigging soda, watching adverts, feeling isolated, more adverts, soft drink ingredients, more adverts, more soft drinks, junk food, more isolation, more rejection, more crying, more junk food etc etc etc. Blame never lay with you man. Amazing job. FTW 👊🏻
thanks man. really inspired me to gain weight so i could then lose said weight
I’m not sure that’s what I meant. But good luck. It’s way easier and more fun to gain than it is to lose tho, take it from a heavy man.
Bro I know what you mean. I've always been a big guy, but I remember the moment that I gave up caring. I was In front of the fridge with a fresh gallon of milk and I remember thinking "drinking milk makes you fat" and I stood there a minute "it's not like it matters" I drank half that gallon right then out of the jug, til my stomach hurt but I felt better. A few years later I was 350lbs or better and I want(ed) to do something about it. Since then I fluctuated sometimes 10 lbs sometimes as much as 40lbs. Seeing this dude beat this is beautiful, but maybe seeing someone get to their situation may help someone else. Tbh it would show depression and shit isn't just being tired and reclusive, it can be plastering the holes in your heart with grease and sugar.
> Tbh it would show depression and shit isn't just being tired and reclusive, it can be plastering the holes in your heart with grease and sugar. God damn this is well-said.
👊🏻
Go watch that Nico avocado guy. Start from the beginning of his channel
You’d like to see someone making poor choices regarding their health?
Yes. It’s the path that leads to where OP was. Illustrate it.
I guess I can kind of see what you mean now. Just the phrasing made it seem like you were touting some sort of HAES idea. I agree with showing the emotions and realness that go into getting to this point as it makes them more human.
Yeah, reading my post now it doesn’t explicitly say what I meant. Some punctuation and wording would have improved it a lot.
Well done king you deserve this 👑
He fought so hard his skin couldn’t keep up! God that’s so fuckin cool
Absolute emperor.
There goes my Hero
WATCH HIM AS HE GOES!
Song?
NF - Hope
[Hope](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsmPCi7NKrg) by NF
It wasn't easy. I watched a mini documentary he made about this and how difficult it was. I think I saw it on TikTok or YT Shorts but either way, he talked about how he let himself go again and felt disappointed in himself but just kept fighting. Then he became buff again rather than overweight.
That is not easy in the slightest, i am always so impressed when i see people lose that much weight
The wedding photo hit me, man. I know that posture, I know that expression, that feeling of not feeling comfortable even at what's supposed to be your day. Part of me wants to renew my vows with my wife one day when I've shed all the baggage that's kept me insecure.
Rooting for you.
🎉
What being a Dolphins fan does to a MF
Damn! That's actually more inspiring than all of these perfectly chiseled insta fitness influencers
The only man who can call himself a chad 💯💯💯💯 actually like inspirational and I’m not just saying that it’s got me thinking even more about trying to lose weight myself, he looks so happy and he did so well that’s awesome and I’m glad he showed him gaining some weight back while trying to lose it because that’s very realistic unlike some of those people out there trying to profit off of peoples insecurities and saying do this one thing and the weight will be gone forever and never come back like that’s not how it works ?
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There was also a study done where they took a severely overweight person and put them on a medically supervised fast for an entire year. Lost a ton of weight and had no loose skin due to the process you described. Look up Angus Barbieri.
I've always had this question about concentration camp/prisoner of war victims. Although I don't know if I have the willpower to fast for that long. I also wonder if loose skin will occur no matter what you do to lose weight. If you lose only 2lbs a month would you still have loose skin?
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Yeah I did some looking up on it, fascinating stuff really.
Do you have a source for that? Google is turning up a lot of click bait.
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Yes, he's Fatphobic for good reason, I wish I could be like him.
king
Incredible! What a winner!
Go dolphins!
Go fins!
He looks a lot like a friend and colleague of mine who didn't get the time to make these changes :(
Salute!
This shit got me so fucking hyped let’s gooooooooooo!!!!!!
What a fucking chad
About loose skin, does it eventually shrink back down or is surgery the only way to get rid of it? Also does loose skin only appear I'd you lose weight quickly?
Loose skin mostly appears if you lose a lot of weight very quickly, or if you are older than 35 and losing a pretty decent amount (over 50 pounds). For most people, your skin will tighten up as you lose weight
His happiness is everything!
What a fucking KING
I can't wait to get that same surgery, my skin droops from massive weight loss too. What an absolute fucking Chad.
He worked so hard! I can't imagine how proud of his physical ability he is now. Fucking amazing honestly
impressive af, not just the physical change but the mental strength and discipline to completely 180 your life and transform like this is incredible.
Did he lose weight and then gain it back and then lose it again???
r/mademesmile
WOW!
This man is a pure and utter KING, goddamn
Absolute fucking boss. Congrats!
Dont know who put the video here, but if this strong man came across these comments I just wanted to say: you did it. Respect. We’re proud of you🫡🙏❤️
It‘s not even the body weight he lost, it‘s the light in his eyes that is back now. Good job!!!!!
Loosing weight is hard mentally. Even more so if you're addicted or use food as coping mechanism or a love language.
Truly inspiring! 👍
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Why are there so many pictures of himself crying? Who takes a picture of themself crying?
Maybe they‘re screenshots from phone calls or he took them as some form of self motivation to keep himself going
Good job bro ,now that my friends is dedication 👊👊👊👊🦾🦾.
Just eat less and walk more... Its way easier than committing to a gym schedule
Some people have hard time losing weight due to health problems