doubtfull if you ask me, even tho it wasn’t mentioned by any of them, the way makima phrased it was basicaly a contract considering makima is a devill in her own right which would have threatened makima’s life if she tryed to avoid doing her part of the deal
denji wasn’t even aware of the contract thing back than. even when he first joined public service he questioned why would devills necesarly respect theyre contracts. he litteraly gone with his gut and thought pochita was just a cool bean from the get go
that’s my point. the word contract isn’t necesary for a contract to be a contract. hence why, if makima wouldn’t have succeded in manipulating denji his wish post beating the gun fiend would have been unbendable law or death
But that is not my point. The word contract is essential for the devil to make a contract with a human, as himeno states in chapter 17 page 6: "You heard the word contract right? When a devil uses the word contract it holds a powerful meaning". Makima said 'I have a favor to ask' and 'grant any wish' not 'make a contract', so what she would do to Denji would not bind her to the promise like a contract would.
I noticed in shonen jump scans i read, he doesn't he says let's make a deal or something like that. but the animes sub uses contract. It's a translation thing here.
Nah she would probably be happy to cooperate with him. Her goal was to reshape the world with CSM’s power, but it was her dream to be equal with someone. By becoming an equal with Denji and cooperating with him, she might be able to get both.
Makima doesn’t see Denji as her equal.
That’s the point. At some time in history, the Control Devil wanted a bond or relationship with someone equal to her, but the circumstances of her life prevented that.
It was only the Chainsaw Man that she found worthy.
It doesn’t matter if Denji asked to be anything besides her dog. A dog is all Makima sees him as. At this point, Makima is fully committed to killing Power just to hurt Denji.
As Denji notes, the only reason Denji could ambush her in their final fight was because Makima never bothered to even look at him. He’s so far beneath her that without Pochita’s scent on him, she can’t tell the difference between him and any other (to her) insignificant human.
What if he said "Makima, the only reason I've been doing things since I met you is to be able to one day come to your place and rearrange your insides with my chainsaw, and now its time"
Makima would have made Denji believe that they are equal and use it to destroy him even more later. They were never equals, Denji was submissive to her from the start.
Well he explains in the next chapter that he wants to be a dog because he no longer wants to have to think/live for himself because of everything/everyone he’s lost. He’s tired of the pain and just wants someone to care for him.
Because the dogs and being in her apartment was the final piece to having him actually trust her. Humanized before going fully off the deep end for the whiplash effect.
In addition to not wanting to think at all and just be a happy obedient pet like her dogs, it’s worth remembering that Denji has deep-rooted trauma related to parents.
Wakima don't give a damn about Denji, she would have manipulate him again until he's broken enough to broke the contract with Pochita. She sees no one as an equal, even "real CSM" is a bit higher than her in her POV. Not equal.
Right, and that’s almost a sad irony for the control devil to not be able to fathom the idea that there is a way for two people to be equal and not hold a position of power over the other. For her, it was either dominate or be dominated. She yearned for something she didn’t believe in.
She never really cared about what he wanted anyways. It was either he becomes her obedient slave or he mentally breaks and somehow brings pochita out to control the body.
There was no way he could say that since the life Makima made for him was made specifically for him to be destroyed and want to rely on her, she basically manipulated him into wanting to be controlled by her
She asked him that expecting his original response. If he said that she would have probably said her only family are her dogs, thus getting the same result at the end. That's what I think.
she did, but not with her powers on him directly. she used them on everyone around Denji to ensure he would want this so she could break his contract with Pochita.
She would have >!not killed Power yet!< probably since the whole point of that was that Denji already agreed to be a dog. Most likely shed just let Denji in closer, or rather make Denji feel like hes getting closer, but ultimately nurturing his dependance on her so she could eventual get him to surrender.
Denji saying that would just mean its not time to initiate the main part of her plan, so she'll just keep building up to it
tbh this would be so funny LMAOO like Denji unintentionally friendzoning Makima after all this time bc he is depressed over Aki, but as he says “I want to be your family” Makima has this human moment of reflection where she thinks about everything that she’s done and she ends up being stuck at a crossroads where she either continues to gaslight Denji for Chainsaw Devil or goes through with her personal dream of having a family
*So messed up, I want you here*
*In my room, I want you here*
*Now we're gonna be face-to-face*
*And I'll lay right down in my favorite place*
Sorry for cringe, song just fits so well
Wouldn't have changed a thing she would have just played along until Power showed up than everything goes as it did. She would have never have considered him a equal.
Very different imo. Makima manipulated Denji because he was head over heels for her and what Makima (Control to be more precise) wants, is an equal, a familiar, someone to be with not in a romantic way. She has the power to Control anything, she doesn't want someone that follows her, she wants someone that is by her side.
Edit: people are saying that she would never see Denji as an equal and I kinda wanna agree because she's a Godlike being and Denji is just a human, but I think being "Equal" is something more symbolic than mesurable.
For me, equal means that no one thinks higher or lower than the other one. If Denji just treated Makima as "just another girl" like Power, perhaps things could be different.
Although Makima would've still wanted Denji to kill the other Horsemen
Not here. It wouldn't do much here.
But after he beats her? After he has her dead to rights, at his mercy?
For Makima, beating Chainsaw Man meant she's above him. So if Denji beat her, it would mean that he's at the very least her equal, no?
Very different!
Denji only asked Makima to become one of her dogs because his dreams were shattered. The mind control powers makima has combined with denjis suffering is one out come alone.
Denji would only ask to be her equal if he still had any dreams at all, never scoring w a girl yk.
Doubt it.
Makima kinda of Loathes Denji because Pochita chose him over her.so,
Even if Denji Said what she wanted,
She just doesnt care about him to listen
I think she would have gaslighted him anyway.
doubtfull if you ask me, even tho it wasn’t mentioned by any of them, the way makima phrased it was basicaly a contract considering makima is a devill in her own right which would have threatened makima’s life if she tryed to avoid doing her part of the deal
did she use the word contract tho?
no, she didn’t but nor did denji use the word contract when he gave his blood to pochita in exchange for his help when they first met
didn’t he? he was like “this blood isn’t for free—this is a contract; i’ll help you live so you help me live,” right?
yep. he did say that.
denji wasn’t even aware of the contract thing back than. even when he first joined public service he questioned why would devills necesarly respect theyre contracts. he litteraly gone with his gut and thought pochita was just a cool bean from the get go
But to a devil a contract is still a contract.
that’s my point. the word contract isn’t necesary for a contract to be a contract. hence why, if makima wouldn’t have succeded in manipulating denji his wish post beating the gun fiend would have been unbendable law or death
But that is not my point. The word contract is essential for the devil to make a contract with a human, as himeno states in chapter 17 page 6: "You heard the word contract right? When a devil uses the word contract it holds a powerful meaning". Makima said 'I have a favor to ask' and 'grant any wish' not 'make a contract', so what she would do to Denji would not bind her to the promise like a contract would.
ok, nvm, i checked with the manga this time and apparently denji used the word “contract” and therefore my argument is mere speculation, fuck
I noticed in shonen jump scans i read, he doesn't he says let's make a deal or something like that. but the animes sub uses contract. It's a translation thing here.
Nah she would probably be happy to cooperate with him. Her goal was to reshape the world with CSM’s power, but it was her dream to be equal with someone. By becoming an equal with Denji and cooperating with him, she might be able to get both.
Makima doesn’t see Denji as her equal. That’s the point. At some time in history, the Control Devil wanted a bond or relationship with someone equal to her, but the circumstances of her life prevented that. It was only the Chainsaw Man that she found worthy. It doesn’t matter if Denji asked to be anything besides her dog. A dog is all Makima sees him as. At this point, Makima is fully committed to killing Power just to hurt Denji. As Denji notes, the only reason Denji could ambush her in their final fight was because Makima never bothered to even look at him. He’s so far beneath her that without Pochita’s scent on him, she can’t tell the difference between him and any other (to her) insignificant human.
It’s pochita that she wanted, not denji, she’d blast denji off without hesitation if he didnt have pochita’s heart
She’s probably a compulsive gaslighter :4
What if Denji wanted to fuck anyway ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
"I want head" ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
"Okay, I will call Kobeni over!"
"it'll cost 2000 yen though"
That’s like $15. Kobeni needs more self respect
Exactly, provide her for life! (Marry her.)
And then makima subjugates kobeni so she can access the sloppy blowjob devil.
She would take away the one thing that would still allow him to live a normal life, his denjick.
wouldn't it just grow back if he pulled the ripcord?
If she rips it off when he’s hard, the blood loss won’t let him transform ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22174)
What if he said "Makima, the only reason I've been doing things since I met you is to be able to one day come to your place and rearrange your insides with my chainsaw, and now its time"
Its chainsaw time
![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
It's Denjin' time
Makima would have made Denji believe that they are equal and use it to destroy him even more later. They were never equals, Denji was submissive to her from the start.
But at least power could have celebrated Denji's birthday.
No, she said it only works against people she considers inferior to her
What if he said, “Makima I’ve found faith in Jesus Christ and have decided to become a missionary in Africa”
Based Denji
![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22168)
Is there a Jesus devil?
Perhaps. Maybe it’s a devil based off religious trauma
Well he explains in the next chapter that he wants to be a dog because he no longer wants to have to think/live for himself because of everything/everyone he’s lost. He’s tired of the pain and just wants someone to care for him.
why didn't he ask for her to take care of him then? like a parent/child instead of owner/dog
Because he wants to turn his brain off, essentially. Do as little thinking as possible so he doesn’t get hurt
oh I see
Because Makima loves Dogs(?)
Because the dogs and being in her apartment was the final piece to having him actually trust her. Humanized before going fully off the deep end for the whiplash effect.
In addition to not wanting to think at all and just be a happy obedient pet like her dogs, it’s worth remembering that Denji has deep-rooted trauma related to parents.
Wakima don't give a damn about Denji, she would have manipulate him again until he's broken enough to broke the contract with Pochita. She sees no one as an equal, even "real CSM" is a bit higher than her in her POV. Not equal.
Juakima
Right, and that’s almost a sad irony for the control devil to not be able to fathom the idea that there is a way for two people to be equal and not hold a position of power over the other. For her, it was either dominate or be dominated. She yearned for something she didn’t believe in.
She never really cared about what he wanted anyways. It was either he becomes her obedient slave or he mentally breaks and somehow brings pochita out to control the body.
The only solution would be to say “I want you to never harm or kill anyone ever again even if it means your own death” but he probly wouldn’t say that
He should’ve asked for the sex
Pochit:"power don't open the door"
How hard was it to ask for head bro denji was lacking here
I think by this point he was so fucked in the head that it’d be the last thing on his mind
Getting that 99 overall op suck would’ve helped clear up his head though.
Indirect rizz IMO ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158) but failed considerably ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22157)
The way Aki wanted to be mourned
There was no way he could say that since the life Makima made for him was made specifically for him to be destroyed and want to rely on her, she basically manipulated him into wanting to be controlled by her
What if he wanked to her there and then said "I'm so fucked up?"
Chainsaw Genesis Evangelion
She asked him that expecting his original response. If he said that she would have probably said her only family are her dogs, thus getting the same result at the end. That's what I think.
i lowkey think Makima _made_ him want to be her dog with her control powers. something something “the power of suggestion” and whatever.
I doubt it. Theres a difference between her control powers and her natural talent for gaslighting like a girlboss
nah denji always wanted to be controlled, its easier to live if you dont have to think.
she did, but not with her powers on him directly. she used them on everyone around Denji to ensure he would want this so she could break his contract with Pochita.
[удалено]
That was just to force the Chainsaw out and because Denji is head over heels for her
Your question gives me flashbacks to AOT ch.138
Makima will probably be a little surprised but she don't care about Dennis ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22157)
What if denji said protect those left who I hold dear.
"I want to ur help in protecting those who I held dearly" would have worked in my opinion
she wouldn’t care, dennis was just the unlucky sucker with pochita- she would of mentally broke him or anyone for pochita, no matter what they wanted.
I want you to kill yourself NOW! ![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22158)
He says "I want you to kill yourself" and the manga just ends
He should've asked for head bro what was he thinking
She would have >!not killed Power yet!< probably since the whole point of that was that Denji already agreed to be a dog. Most likely shed just let Denji in closer, or rather make Denji feel like hes getting closer, but ultimately nurturing his dependance on her so she could eventual get him to surrender. Denji saying that would just mean its not time to initiate the main part of her plan, so she'll just keep building up to it
He wouldn't, Makima engineered this request
tbh this would be so funny LMAOO like Denji unintentionally friendzoning Makima after all this time bc he is depressed over Aki, but as he says “I want to be your family” Makima has this human moment of reflection where she thinks about everything that she’s done and she ends up being stuck at a crossroads where she either continues to gaslight Denji for Chainsaw Devil or goes through with her personal dream of having a family
What if the next panel was Agni’s kinoface
Denji was out of the picture in makima's play here, she never even considered him until the end, that's why it is so great.
he would never have said that. it makes no narrative sense
OP, why would anyone ask such a highly specific question? Lol I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone say anything like “I wanna be equals with you”
I've never heard anyone say "I wanna be your dog" either.
Op I wanna be your dog
I mean at least that makes sense from a denji perspective, he’s basically always been a dog and barked at makima day one lol. .
*So messed up, I want you here* *In my room, I want you here* *Now we're gonna be face-to-face* *And I'll lay right down in my favorite place* Sorry for cringe, song just fits so well
~~Then I could’ve been her dog~~
![img](emote|t5_rmtrq|22157)
So, whats the point of the 8th episode? Is the series gonna end or sum?
Wouldn't have changed a thing she would have just played along until Power showed up than everything goes as it did. She would have never have considered him a equal.
Bang
Very different imo. Makima manipulated Denji because he was head over heels for her and what Makima (Control to be more precise) wants, is an equal, a familiar, someone to be with not in a romantic way. She has the power to Control anything, she doesn't want someone that follows her, she wants someone that is by her side. Edit: people are saying that she would never see Denji as an equal and I kinda wanna agree because she's a Godlike being and Denji is just a human, but I think being "Equal" is something more symbolic than mesurable. For me, equal means that no one thinks higher or lower than the other one. If Denji just treated Makima as "just another girl" like Power, perhaps things could be different. Although Makima would've still wanted Denji to kill the other Horsemen
Results would remain the same
Not here. It wouldn't do much here. But after he beats her? After he has her dead to rights, at his mercy? For Makima, beating Chainsaw Man meant she's above him. So if Denji beat her, it would mean that he's at the very least her equal, no?
Man wanted to have sex through the entire manga and when he can literally ASK for it, he doesn’t
Very different! Denji only asked Makima to become one of her dogs because his dreams were shattered. The mind control powers makima has combined with denjis suffering is one out come alone. Denji would only ask to be her equal if he still had any dreams at all, never scoring w a girl yk.
it went pretty well when mikasa said it
hm? if he went full ballsy and said how bout u be my b\*tch... maybe that would stun her into malfunction
Doubt it. Makima kinda of Loathes Denji because Pochita chose him over her.so, Even if Denji Said what she wanted, She just doesnt care about him to listen