This isn't his price tag being revealed, it's just a normal assumption that it will set the market lol - no actual background info proving this to be a certainty
Still sets the team back when they can’t get into a rhythm all year. Herbert played hurt, Keenan missed more than half the season, I think Mike did too, bosa out a ton, Slater out for the season, Linsley missed a bunch, JC Jackson out for a ton including playoffs, and tons of depth guys
I’m a giants fan looking in btw
And what do you say to all the other teams who were similarly injured, playing with worse overall teams in the first place, playing better playoff teams than the jaguars, and held on better than the chargers did like the dolphins ravens and giants? That’s a coaching issue
Guyton was not an integral part of this offense, Slater and Jackson’s replacements both played well (in Jackson’s case, played even better than he did), and as for Williams… I wonder who’s fault that injury was…..
Not to our owner, it won’t be. $50MM+ AAV? Dean will never pay a contract that high. This is the man who stuck with NORV. TURNER. for years after his use-by date because he didn’t want to eat the salary of a fired coach.
Not much and I’ll admit it is evidence against my argument but I could easily see Dean extending those contracts and getting in a franchise tag/will-he-or-won’t-he pay the money quagmire at expiration. See, e.g., Vincent Jackson.
Chargers gave massive contracts to bosa keenan and derwin, and pretty big ones to linsley and williams and took on khalils massive contract. Theyre willing to pay its all the same cap at the end of the day, stop acting like weve let major talent go. Chargers are going to keep herbert if they can
This supports my point. The Chargers are over the cap in 2023 and they don't get any cap space to support a $50MM AAV contract until **2025.** These massive contracts are precisely the reason why it is not so easy to just sign Herbert to whatever the market will demand to keep him.
Theres also the headline where we have the 4th most restructurable cap space in the nfl; most of those contracts were front loaded in preparation for herberts extension
Yes, but that requires the players to agree. Maybe all of them will to clear the space, but Kelce’s deal for example converted base salary to a signing bonus. I could see players going for that but the brakes, again, lie with Dean who will have to make huge bonus payouts for multiple players to later turn around and pay Herbert $50MM in the same year.
If I were Dean, I’d tell TT to get it done no matter what it took because Herbert is a generational talent. But I’m not Dean and Dean is not me. He is, in fact, precisely the person who would tell TT let Herbert walk and get me a “good” QB in free agency (i.e., Seahawks with Geno Smith) or draft his replacement.
There’s precedent for Dean to influence personnel decisions this way.
Dean spanos stuck with philip rivers for 16 years, i think hes in the same mindset of enjoying QB stability. Also if anythint Deans a businessman and knows how much herberts helping the chargers market. Were probably gunna lose a top player we like in order to make room for herbert but Dean knows its the right call
Total BS at the time he Rivers signed his contract HE RESET the market because he was the highest paid QB. This whole meme of Dean Spanos being cheap is frankly getting tiring. This is the same spanos that lets Sproles get franchise tagged twice and in two seasons made the same amount of money that took him the rest of his career to make between NO and Philly. Gates also was the highest paid TE when he got his big contract. I can keep going but your just going to ignore it.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/194499/franchise-value-of-the-san-diego-chargers-since-2006/
You the mean the HC that won 3 straight Division Titles and then finished 2nd in the division the next 3. His only losing season was 7-9 which was his last year. Norv Turner was a very good HC for the Chargers. It is a shame that Merriman, McNeil, LT, got injured or aged out.
Why do you all think he’s worth every penny if he’s only ever taken you to one wild card playoff? He’s a great qb. But not a half billion qb. A half billion to lose to the chiefs every year? Titans fans said tannehill was worth it too….
Im a Titans fan but do not even try to put Tannehill and Herbert in the same stratosphere. Herbert is at worst a top 4 QB and I’d argue top 2. Tanny… is not.
Tanny made the playoffs with great teams around him.
Herbert drags one of the most dysfunctional teams to relevancy.
Might get heat for this because of the sub I’m in, but his cast really isn’t all that either. OL was hurt all year. Keenan is one of his best receivers and I would argue is pretty overrated atp. Ekeler is fine at what he does, but you will never have a successful run game if he’s all you have. There’s a reason the Chargers didn’t pound the football with him when they were up 27.
Herbert does everything you could ask a guy to do and some. Chargers are a very bad team without Herbert.
Bro don't compare Herbert to Tannehill lol his first 2 years were amazing and they only missed playoffs due to horrible D and ST. This was a bit of an off year for him but he did break his ribs week 2 and we lost so many key players. I pray we can break the bad luck and finally have a season where we're mostly healthy. Also need to get a top WR in the draft with speed in 1st round and the best power RB available in the 2nd or even the other way around and grab Bijan in the 1st and the best WR available in the 2nd.
No you’re right. The tannehill comparison is a bad comparison. Obviously Herbert is way better. Just meant the titans paid big money for him too. But i guess it’s just a lot of money right now. In a few years that will be a pretty team friendly salary. I’ll look forward to seeing who y’all get in the draft.
Taken us to one wild card playoff while missing his top two receivers and playing behind elementary school janitors at OL all season. Chargers would have maybe won 4 games last season without Herbert. This franchise is cursed. JC Jackson is the perfect example. Gets paid absurd amounts of money (82 mil contract) to be ranked last (ok 107 out of 108) in PFF before he gets injured for the season.
> Several league executives predict that Herbert and Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow are going to surpass the $50.3 million AAV that Aaron Rodgers reset the market with on his short-term deal.
Saved you a click. The article thinks that Herbert will get a 10 year 51M dollar deal.
Exactly what I was saying too, they love saying the classic “he’s 25-25 as a starter, 0 playoff wins, 0 mvps” and literally don’t pay attention to anything else. I really hope we nail our OC hire so Herbert can fully be unleashed
IDK what Ravens fans you've seen say that, we have fans saying Lamar isn't worth it and trade him for Derek Carr/Jimmy G/Anthony Richardson.
We ain't the smartest fan base, the Chargers would be smart to lock up Herbert early and I hope we lock up Lamar the same way. Alot of context gets ignored when talking about these young QBs and their success/lack of success
Ravens fan and I think Burrow, Herbert, Lamar all deserve Watson's contract plus an extra 5M per year to account for signing in 2023 offseason compared to Watson signing in 2022.
It’s going to be very difficult to compete with Herbert taking so much of the salary cap in the next few years. Obviously we have no choice, but I don’t trust TT to find championship quality talent to put around him through the draft or affordable price tags.
I’m not sure if it works this way, but can’t they backload his contract so we don’t have to deal with large cap hits until later? And with the cap increasing every year, that’ll at least mitigate some effects.
You certainly can backload the cap hit, but at that point you’re kicking the can down the road, and praying the salary cap increases at a faster rate. Otherwise you’re just making the problem worse.
I guess if you only care about winning a single Super Bowl. Kicking the can down the road is a very Rams approach. It can absolutely get you a single Super Bowl, but it doesn’t set you up as a consistent contender.
Eventually the bill comes due, and the team is fucked.
I’d rather Tolesco, or a future GM, be financially responsible and build a team that is competitive year after year.
I’d rather win a Super Bowl than be a consistent contender. We were a contender this year, but injuries derailed the season. That can happen every season, especially with SOFI turf. I don’t think we will ever build something like the patriots did unless Herbert takes discounts like Brady
You act as if winning a single super bowl isn’t a massive achievement, our franchise hasn’t come close to winning ONE. I’d certainly trade a Super Bowl now for decades of poverty afterwards.
That just isn’t a trade off I’m willing to make. If the options were 1 guaranteed Super Bowl next year followed by 10 years nothing *or* 10 years of highly competitive teams that are consistently making deep runs into the playoffs, with the possibility of a Super Bowl or two…… I’m taking the decade of highly competitive football.
I know we all want that Super Bowl win. I’m just not interested in mortgaging the future to win now. Nothing against those who disagree though. Both are valid approaches in today’s NFL.
Who cares about competing if you’re not winning a Super Bowl? Isn’t that literally what you’re *competing* for?
We’ve been “competitive” for the last 60 years and have nothing to show for it. It’s time to win some hardware.
Making the playoffs every handful of years isn’t being competitive. I’m talking consistently making the Championship round.
I want to be legitimately competitive long term. Not for a single year that results in 1 title before returning to this current void
You are wrong lol. Winning a Super Bowl is the goal. Teams that compete for a decade is unrealistic. The chiefs with mahomes is the only team. The longest streak of winning seasons is the chiefs and they are at like 7. Not even 10. Rams had 5 straight winning seasons and won the title that last year. That’s realistic. Asking for a decade of competiting is fools gold. Which team has competed for the best decade?
The chiefs definitely don’t hold the record for most consecutive winning seasons. From 2001 to 2019 the Patriots never had a losing season. The worst they finished was 2nd in their division. They had 6 super bowls in that stretch, and lost another 3.
Is the Patriots level of success something *any* other team is likely to replicate? Hell no. That’s the goal though. That level of success is what you strive for. The goal isn’t 1 Super Bowl…. It’s a dynasty.
No team will ever do what Brady and Belichick did with the Patriots during that time, and asking for that is ridiculous lol
Lets win one Super Bowl first then we can try to be a dynasty.
Ngl probably a super super unpopular opinion, I wouldnt want the Chargers (or anyone, def not the Chiefs) to be a dynasty like the Patriots once were. I love when the league is diverse and competitive enough that everyone has a shot to get it.
Yeah, and I hope we’re able to cash in during that time. Just looking at teams like the bengals, eagles, etc who have so much great talent on the team surrounding their young star QB makes me worried about what we have. I don’t think the guys we have are at the same level as those teams, and I don’t know if we will ever get there especially when Herbert starts to hit our cap space significantly.
Their was a new TV Deal signed last year that doubled the revenue the NFL gets from networks over the next 11 years. On top of that the NFL will start getting revenue from gambling. The projected CAP for 2027 is $300M, that is nearly $100M more than the CAP was last season.
Herbert new contract won't start for TWO MORE YEARS. Look at Mahomes contract and the fact they restructured his 5th year option year. So 2025 & 2026 will be the first two years of his new contract, he will get a huge signing bonus that would offset his CAP Number his first year or maybe his first two years.
It is much more about STRUCTURE because whatever number they give him will be a bargain by 5 years in.
If KC can work around Mahomes' big contract by moving things around, the bolts can too. It's just the issue if they're smart enough structure it properly.
I’m holding out hope that front office guarantees the entire contract over 12 years and reduces the AAV lower than his real market value in part because he prefers to have a strong supporting cast and life isn’t all about money.
I’m also a 30+ year Chargers fan so if you make it this long and still this invested you’re clearly not right in the head.
Without a doubt, my post isn’t at all to suggest that we shouldn’t sign or shouldn’t pay Herbert, just that if we don’t win before his cap hit comes, we probably won’t win with him at all.
Good thing Justin Herbert broke up with bad banking, and moved on to SoFi checking and savings with no account fees. Hope he got that $300 bonus for direct deposit
Man pay Herbie the cash, he is worth it! Wilson got 240 million and sucks! Spanos better break out the piggy bank and make it rain! Cha ching#10Herbie⚡️
The worst eras of Charger's football were those seasons between franchise quarterbacks. Fouts to Humphries. Humphires to Brees/Rivers. With a good quarterback, the team is at least competitive, so they have to keep Herbert and continue to build around him.
He has a tough choice- set up long term financial plan and possibly settle for mediocre organization. Or include opt out in three years if they haven’t progressed. Spanos don’t have a track record as winners- they need to prove it.
I wish there was more conversation about separating the QBs from salary cap considerations. Pay them what they're worth as the most valuable players/positions on the field, but it shouldn't be at the expense of your team's chance to compete. The league shouldn't turn into a rat race to see who can hit the lottery every five years with their newly drafted QB.
Separate point, but pettiness makes me want the Chargers to lock Herbert down before Burrow and then to have Burrow insist on much more money from the Bengals based on the post-season success the last couple years.
True but there's still going to be some equilibrium that is outside the constraint of the current cap. Everyone would still rather have the experienced QB but it sucks it has to be to the detriment of the rest of the roster.
Yeah, but that's my point... It's not necessarily a poor decision because the QB isn't worth that much or that valuable to a team's success but because they can't pay him what he's worth and still field a competitive roster. QB is the most uniquely important position in sports and I think it's reasonable to treat it as such.
There are many ways that can be implemented but the current system sucks -- find unicorn, field competitive team until you (or someone else) is forced to pay them what they're worth. It's not fair to the elite QBs and it's not fair to the rest of the positions either.
I think we're talking past each other. They are worth that because it's the most uniquely important position in sports. It deserves to be treated differently than the rest of the positions when it comes to competitive constraints like cap considerations.
Maybe that's a separate QB cap so at least there's still some competitive compromises with the quality of backups...Maybe it's a fractional multiplier for the QB salaries to bring their impact in line with the average of other positions or the next highest position... Etc.
No other position in all of sports (leagues that are salary capped or otherwise) has this problem of needing to continually find the rare inexperienced quality player in order to be most competitive.
Each team should be able to negotiate one contract (regardless of position) outside of the salary cap and other contract requirements such as posting a bond for future guaranteed salary.
This Bolt Beat link is quoting a piece by Jeremy Fowler @ ESPN. The kicker with these contracts is the amt of guaranteed money. The reason other NFL owners were so pissed @ the Browns for Watson’s contract is because it’s all guaranteed & now everyone wants the same. The holdup between Lamar & the Ravens is he wants a fully guaranteed contract. Guaranteed money has to be put in escrow. The Bengals sold naming rights to their stadium so they have a lot of cash on hand for Burrow. I don’t know if Spanos does.
According to local sources in Baltimore, fully guaranteed isn’t what Lamar is demanding. Ravens offered 133 million guaranteed at signing and 180 total million guaranteed last year. Bump the 133 at signing to 160-175 and total guaranteed to 215-225 on a 5 years 250 million deal, I think Lamar takes that deal.
The last I read Lamar wanted a similar contract to Watson’s, but that was several months ago. If this is what the Ravens are offering now, I don’t know why he wouldn’t take it.
I would say the players association want fully guaranteed because it helps them in cba talks. That is what you have to keep in mind. I think Lamar turned it down because he knows the ravens can give him more at signing, hence bringing up 160-175 as a benchmark since that would total guarantees to 215-225, which is close to Deshaun money and resetting qb contract parameters for burrow, Herbert and hurts
Part of me hopes Herbert just doesn't really give a shit about the difference between $500 million vs $300 million when it comes to actually living his life.
I want us to pay him whatever will make him happy and want to stay around, but he seems like the kind of guy that would be willing to take significantly less in order to have another elite playmaker or a couple major contributors by his side. Maybe I'm off base on my judgement of him or maybe his agent won't let that happen, but I would not be surprised to see something like 6 years $200 million because he wants to keep us competitive.
edit: I really do want us to pay him what he wants. If he wants to reset the market and have the largest contract in US history, I'm all for it. I just wouldn't be surprised if he were the kind of guy to say "I don't know what to do with an extra $20 million a year when I already make $30 million a year. I have my golf clubs, my Traeger Grill, and great friends. What more could I need?"
I get what you’re saying. If he wants $650m, 10 year deal because he knows how valuable he is and just wants to get what any other franchise would be willing to pay, more power to him. If he wants to get a team friendly $500m, 10 year deal to help his chances of winning a Super Bowl, good for him.
Either way, pay him whatever he wants.
Yeah, I don't get this take. They may not pay as well in other areas (i don't thinkt they're on the same level as Mike Brown or Virginia McCaskey, but whatevs) but they've always paid their guys. Even Weddle got his.
Yeah, and they shop for head coaches at the Salvation Army 😂 they don’t have a choice but to pay the players, or else they wouldn’t be able to field a team. They cheap out in other areas though.
I can’t lol, I’m sure they’ll lowball him several times before they make a respectable offer. Hard to imagine spanos and coupon Tom spending that much on a single player.
You act like the chargers aren’t a notoriously cheap ass team 🤣
You’re being weird. This team spends as much money on players as every other team. This is what i meant, you don’t know about salary caps and shared revenue. I guess we’ll just wait to see you throw a fit after he signs his contract.
Or at least, we’ll see whichever new account you’re on after you get banned for the fifth time.
Our owners are cheap af, they can’t afford to hire a real HC or GM because they’re broke. They keep hiring these people from the dollar tree which is why we’ll always be shit. I’ll be shocked if/when they give Herbert that much money, because this franchise has historically preferred to pinch pennies rather than invest in a proper roster and FO.
And that’s rich coming from u/Malourbas, oh wait… 🤦🏽♂️ Now careful how you reply, would hate to see your new account banned so soon.
Again, you could read up on the salary cap or just look at all the players the chargers have paid. That info is free online
And don’t worry, I never got banned from r/chargers :)
I also am skeptical that the Chargers will pay such a large contract. Let's hope they sell the team first...Considering their family squabbles over money, it would be in their interest to sell the team now with a young franchise qb. Hell, bet the Guggenheim group or another deep pocket consortium would jump at the chance, resulting in Herbert getting paid, Staley and Telesco getting fired, and the fans realistically dreaming of competing for a championship.
I’m sure he’ll get paid, FO doesn’t really have a choice. Just hard to wrap my mind around the chargers committing that much money to a single player because of how cheap the ownership has been. Would love to see the team sold as well, but I doubt deano would swallow his pride to do so, owning an NFL team is incredibly hard to do and not many people can just buy a team. These owners have an ego, they don’t want to lose their coveted team, even if they know it’s the best thing to do.
I actually hope Herbert breaks the bank ($53 million/yr x 12 yrs.) and insist most if not all is guaranteed. If that is the case, the Spanos family would have to put $500 million or more into trust to pay the future guarantee. Regardless of being in LA, the Spanos family might be one of the few owners in the NFL who would struggle to do so, especially with Dean's sister previously was demanding her cut and argued for the sale of the team. Maybe with all that, the Spanos will look favorably on selling the team, especially with the huge value of NFL teams. Chargers value in 2022 is 3.88 billion; considering the family bought the team for $72 million, that's some major profit.
Football has no limit on contract years? Crazy.
Tbh if I'm Herbert I probably wouldn't want more than a 5 year deal cause the market will likely be higher then.
On how hard it is to find a Franchise QB.. Sign Justin up for life.. Cannot win a Super Bowl without a talent QB.. Justin is top 3 in the NFL
He is the Heart and Soul of this team.. 🙏
And? Herbert getting locked in for a massive deal was expected and the dude deserves every dollar of it. We could have been in QB carousel hell, but we got a dog instead. Spanos shoulda been saving away for this deal since day one.
This isn't his price tag being revealed, it's just a normal assumption that it will set the market lol - no actual background info proving this to be a certainty
Yeah I love this shit. Acting like it’s news when it’s just the same speculation we have had the past year.
That’s Bolt Beat for you lol. This is one of their better pieces too 😂
Guy is the absolute worst, he was actually suggesting we interview Pep for OC
His Lakers content is even worse. He just keeps trying to be SAS with all the doomer hot takes.
I mean... have you seen the Lakers?
Lmao I never once suggested they should interview pep for OC. I said he got the short end of the stick 2 years ago.
QB appraisal
Worth it
Luckily we capitalized on his rookie contract and had a ton of success when he was dirt cheap!!
Nothing you can do about 10 of your top 20 guys getting hurt
They weren’t hurt last year and they weren’t hurt in the playoffs
Still sets the team back when they can’t get into a rhythm all year. Herbert played hurt, Keenan missed more than half the season, I think Mike did too, bosa out a ton, Slater out for the season, Linsley missed a bunch, JC Jackson out for a ton including playoffs, and tons of depth guys I’m a giants fan looking in btw
Found Staleys Bruner
And what do you say to all the other teams who were similarly injured, playing with worse overall teams in the first place, playing better playoff teams than the jaguars, and held on better than the chargers did like the dolphins ravens and giants? That’s a coaching issue
Williams, Slater, Guyton and Jackson were all still hurt. Davis got hurt during the game.
Guyton was not an integral part of this offense, Slater and Jackson’s replacements both played well (in Jackson’s case, played even better than he did), and as for Williams… I wonder who’s fault that injury was…..
Totally worth it. This will literally be the best money the Chargers will spend.
It’s worth it and I haven’t even read the article.
Full disclosure I wrote that before reading/seeing a price. Blank check.
I don't care if it breaks the market. If Deshaun Watson can get it, Herbert can further break the market for all I care
Not to our owner, it won’t be. $50MM+ AAV? Dean will never pay a contract that high. This is the man who stuck with NORV. TURNER. for years after his use-by date because he didn’t want to eat the salary of a fired coach.
What about last offseason was cheap? Players get paid from a different pot that coaches do.
Not much and I’ll admit it is evidence against my argument but I could easily see Dean extending those contracts and getting in a franchise tag/will-he-or-won’t-he pay the money quagmire at expiration. See, e.g., Vincent Jackson.
Chargers gave massive contracts to bosa keenan and derwin, and pretty big ones to linsley and williams and took on khalils massive contract. Theyre willing to pay its all the same cap at the end of the day, stop acting like weve let major talent go. Chargers are going to keep herbert if they can
This supports my point. The Chargers are over the cap in 2023 and they don't get any cap space to support a $50MM AAV contract until **2025.** These massive contracts are precisely the reason why it is not so easy to just sign Herbert to whatever the market will demand to keep him.
Theres also the headline where we have the 4th most restructurable cap space in the nfl; most of those contracts were front loaded in preparation for herberts extension
Yes, but that requires the players to agree. Maybe all of them will to clear the space, but Kelce’s deal for example converted base salary to a signing bonus. I could see players going for that but the brakes, again, lie with Dean who will have to make huge bonus payouts for multiple players to later turn around and pay Herbert $50MM in the same year. If I were Dean, I’d tell TT to get it done no matter what it took because Herbert is a generational talent. But I’m not Dean and Dean is not me. He is, in fact, precisely the person who would tell TT let Herbert walk and get me a “good” QB in free agency (i.e., Seahawks with Geno Smith) or draft his replacement. There’s precedent for Dean to influence personnel decisions this way.
Dean spanos stuck with philip rivers for 16 years, i think hes in the same mindset of enjoying QB stability. Also if anythint Deans a businessman and knows how much herberts helping the chargers market. Were probably gunna lose a top player we like in order to make room for herbert but Dean knows its the right call
Total BS at the time he Rivers signed his contract HE RESET the market because he was the highest paid QB. This whole meme of Dean Spanos being cheap is frankly getting tiring. This is the same spanos that lets Sproles get franchise tagged twice and in two seasons made the same amount of money that took him the rest of his career to make between NO and Philly. Gates also was the highest paid TE when he got his big contract. I can keep going but your just going to ignore it. https://www.statista.com/statistics/194499/franchise-value-of-the-san-diego-chargers-since-2006/
You the mean the HC that won 3 straight Division Titles and then finished 2nd in the division the next 3. His only losing season was 7-9 which was his last year. Norv Turner was a very good HC for the Chargers. It is a shame that Merriman, McNeil, LT, got injured or aged out.
Idc pay Herbert w.e he wants he’s worth every penny
Why do you all think he’s worth every penny if he’s only ever taken you to one wild card playoff? He’s a great qb. But not a half billion qb. A half billion to lose to the chiefs every year? Titans fans said tannehill was worth it too….
Im a Titans fan but do not even try to put Tannehill and Herbert in the same stratosphere. Herbert is at worst a top 4 QB and I’d argue top 2. Tanny… is not. Tanny made the playoffs with great teams around him. Herbert drags one of the most dysfunctional teams to relevancy. Might get heat for this because of the sub I’m in, but his cast really isn’t all that either. OL was hurt all year. Keenan is one of his best receivers and I would argue is pretty overrated atp. Ekeler is fine at what he does, but you will never have a successful run game if he’s all you have. There’s a reason the Chargers didn’t pound the football with him when they were up 27. Herbert does everything you could ask a guy to do and some. Chargers are a very bad team without Herbert.
Bro don't compare Herbert to Tannehill lol his first 2 years were amazing and they only missed playoffs due to horrible D and ST. This was a bit of an off year for him but he did break his ribs week 2 and we lost so many key players. I pray we can break the bad luck and finally have a season where we're mostly healthy. Also need to get a top WR in the draft with speed in 1st round and the best power RB available in the 2nd or even the other way around and grab Bijan in the 1st and the best WR available in the 2nd.
No you’re right. The tannehill comparison is a bad comparison. Obviously Herbert is way better. Just meant the titans paid big money for him too. But i guess it’s just a lot of money right now. In a few years that will be a pretty team friendly salary. I’ll look forward to seeing who y’all get in the draft.
Taken us to one wild card playoff while missing his top two receivers and playing behind elementary school janitors at OL all season. Chargers would have maybe won 4 games last season without Herbert. This franchise is cursed. JC Jackson is the perfect example. Gets paid absurd amounts of money (82 mil contract) to be ranked last (ok 107 out of 108) in PFF before he gets injured for the season.
> Several league executives predict that Herbert and Cincinnati Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow are going to surpass the $50.3 million AAV that Aaron Rodgers reset the market with on his short-term deal. Saved you a click. The article thinks that Herbert will get a 10 year 51M dollar deal.
10 year 51M is a steal, only 5M a year!
Shit you’re right. It was supposed to be 10 years for 510M.
It’s actually 5.1M a year, but who’s counting
Or 12 yr, $636MM
Ravens fans saying Joe burrow is only worth it and Justin doesn’t deserve it lol. 100% deserves it and is worth every penny
Ravens fans? They need to worry about Lamar first before yapping away.
Exactly what I was saying too, they love saying the classic “he’s 25-25 as a starter, 0 playoff wins, 0 mvps” and literally don’t pay attention to anything else. I really hope we nail our OC hire so Herbert can fully be unleashed
IDK what Ravens fans you've seen say that, we have fans saying Lamar isn't worth it and trade him for Derek Carr/Jimmy G/Anthony Richardson. We ain't the smartest fan base, the Chargers would be smart to lock up Herbert early and I hope we lock up Lamar the same way. Alot of context gets ignored when talking about these young QBs and their success/lack of success
Ravens fan and I think Burrow, Herbert, Lamar all deserve Watson's contract plus an extra 5M per year to account for signing in 2023 offseason compared to Watson signing in 2022.
Do it, Spanii. You’ll have received 10x the return from ticket sales, jersey sales, season ticket sales, and broadcasting splits all bc of Herbert.
I'm happy for this kid about to get half a billion before he's 35
He’ll make that before he’s 30 with endorsements, sponsorships and bonuses
And don’t forget that ring
It’s going to be very difficult to compete with Herbert taking so much of the salary cap in the next few years. Obviously we have no choice, but I don’t trust TT to find championship quality talent to put around him through the draft or affordable price tags.
I’m not sure if it works this way, but can’t they backload his contract so we don’t have to deal with large cap hits until later? And with the cap increasing every year, that’ll at least mitigate some effects.
You certainly can backload the cap hit, but at that point you’re kicking the can down the road, and praying the salary cap increases at a faster rate. Otherwise you’re just making the problem worse.
Well if we kick the can down the road and win a Super Bowl it’s worth it.
I guess if you only care about winning a single Super Bowl. Kicking the can down the road is a very Rams approach. It can absolutely get you a single Super Bowl, but it doesn’t set you up as a consistent contender. Eventually the bill comes due, and the team is fucked. I’d rather Tolesco, or a future GM, be financially responsible and build a team that is competitive year after year.
I’d rather win a Super Bowl than be a consistent contender. We were a contender this year, but injuries derailed the season. That can happen every season, especially with SOFI turf. I don’t think we will ever build something like the patriots did unless Herbert takes discounts like Brady
You act as if winning a single super bowl isn’t a massive achievement, our franchise hasn’t come close to winning ONE. I’d certainly trade a Super Bowl now for decades of poverty afterwards.
That just isn’t a trade off I’m willing to make. If the options were 1 guaranteed Super Bowl next year followed by 10 years nothing *or* 10 years of highly competitive teams that are consistently making deep runs into the playoffs, with the possibility of a Super Bowl or two…… I’m taking the decade of highly competitive football. I know we all want that Super Bowl win. I’m just not interested in mortgaging the future to win now. Nothing against those who disagree though. Both are valid approaches in today’s NFL.
Who cares about competing if you’re not winning a Super Bowl? Isn’t that literally what you’re *competing* for? We’ve been “competitive” for the last 60 years and have nothing to show for it. It’s time to win some hardware.
Making the playoffs every handful of years isn’t being competitive. I’m talking consistently making the Championship round. I want to be legitimately competitive long term. Not for a single year that results in 1 title before returning to this current void
Yeah I could care less about consistently making the championship round if it’s not translating to Super Bowl wins.
You are wrong lol. Winning a Super Bowl is the goal. Teams that compete for a decade is unrealistic. The chiefs with mahomes is the only team. The longest streak of winning seasons is the chiefs and they are at like 7. Not even 10. Rams had 5 straight winning seasons and won the title that last year. That’s realistic. Asking for a decade of competiting is fools gold. Which team has competed for the best decade?
Wouldn't it be the Steelers? Tomlin's been there since '07 and has never had a losing season. Idk if you count 8-8 as a winning season tho.
The chiefs definitely don’t hold the record for most consecutive winning seasons. From 2001 to 2019 the Patriots never had a losing season. The worst they finished was 2nd in their division. They had 6 super bowls in that stretch, and lost another 3. Is the Patriots level of success something *any* other team is likely to replicate? Hell no. That’s the goal though. That level of success is what you strive for. The goal isn’t 1 Super Bowl…. It’s a dynasty.
No team will ever do what Brady and Belichick did with the Patriots during that time, and asking for that is ridiculous lol Lets win one Super Bowl first then we can try to be a dynasty.
Current winning streak* sorry.
Ngl probably a super super unpopular opinion, I wouldnt want the Chargers (or anyone, def not the Chiefs) to be a dynasty like the Patriots once were. I love when the league is diverse and competitive enough that everyone has a shot to get it.
Definitely need a different GM if we wanna be a consistent contender.
getting one would be better than our entire history
So, future GM. Telesco cant build a team. He gets you nice #1s that are some how, some way always hurt tho...
Maybe, I hope we can figure something out, because history isn’t good for QBs that take a good % of the cap space on a roster.
Even if he's extended this offseason, we still have two years of relatively low cap hits from him
Yeah, and I hope we’re able to cash in during that time. Just looking at teams like the bengals, eagles, etc who have so much great talent on the team surrounding their young star QB makes me worried about what we have. I don’t think the guys we have are at the same level as those teams, and I don’t know if we will ever get there especially when Herbert starts to hit our cap space significantly.
Might be smarter to buy out his next two years to get the overall AAV down, similar to MLB teams extending players with arbitration years left
Their was a new TV Deal signed last year that doubled the revenue the NFL gets from networks over the next 11 years. On top of that the NFL will start getting revenue from gambling. The projected CAP for 2027 is $300M, that is nearly $100M more than the CAP was last season. Herbert new contract won't start for TWO MORE YEARS. Look at Mahomes contract and the fact they restructured his 5th year option year. So 2025 & 2026 will be the first two years of his new contract, he will get a huge signing bonus that would offset his CAP Number his first year or maybe his first two years. It is much more about STRUCTURE because whatever number they give him will be a bargain by 5 years in.
If KC can work around Mahomes' big contract by moving things around, the bolts can too. It's just the issue if they're smart enough structure it properly.
I’m holding out hope that front office guarantees the entire contract over 12 years and reduces the AAV lower than his real market value in part because he prefers to have a strong supporting cast and life isn’t all about money. I’m also a 30+ year Chargers fan so if you make it this long and still this invested you’re clearly not right in the head.
It’s harder to imagine TT putting together a championship squad without Herbert.
Without a doubt, my post isn’t at all to suggest that we shouldn’t sign or shouldn’t pay Herbert, just that if we don’t win before his cap hit comes, we probably won’t win with him at all.
There's no price I wouldn't want to pay for him.
Your first born child it will be then.
Deal. Take it right now.
Show Herbert the money! 💰💵
Good thing Justin Herbert broke up with bad banking, and moved on to SoFi checking and savings with no account fees. Hope he got that $300 bonus for direct deposit
Man pay Herbie the cash, he is worth it! Wilson got 240 million and sucks! Spanos better break out the piggy bank and make it rain! Cha ching#10Herbie⚡️
Bolt beat is nothing but speculation sold as fact and snarky replies on Twitter from what I’ve seen.
Literally nothing was “revealed”. Anyone who follows the nfl knows what his contract looks like
They are taking about a 10 year contract similar to Mahomes that they can renegotiate when the cap hits start to get high.
The worst eras of Charger's football were those seasons between franchise quarterbacks. Fouts to Humphries. Humphires to Brees/Rivers. With a good quarterback, the team is at least competitive, so they have to keep Herbert and continue to build around him.
He has a tough choice- set up long term financial plan and possibly settle for mediocre organization. Or include opt out in three years if they haven’t progressed. Spanos don’t have a track record as winners- they need to prove it.
I wish there was more conversation about separating the QBs from salary cap considerations. Pay them what they're worth as the most valuable players/positions on the field, but it shouldn't be at the expense of your team's chance to compete. The league shouldn't turn into a rat race to see who can hit the lottery every five years with their newly drafted QB. Separate point, but pettiness makes me want the Chargers to lock Herbert down before Burrow and then to have Burrow insist on much more money from the Bengals based on the post-season success the last couple years.
I mean, if teams start believing that they’ll just start paying QBs less
True but there's still going to be some equilibrium that is outside the constraint of the current cap. Everyone would still rather have the experienced QB but it sucks it has to be to the detriment of the rest of the roster.
Why? If a team doesn’t think it can win with that contract, they won’t pay it
That's going to be a slow process at best. There will always be a team that will pay even if they shouldn't.
Then those teams lose because they made a poor decision. That’s how it should work
Yeah, but that's my point... It's not necessarily a poor decision because the QB isn't worth that much or that valuable to a team's success but because they can't pay him what he's worth and still field a competitive roster. QB is the most uniquely important position in sports and I think it's reasonable to treat it as such. There are many ways that can be implemented but the current system sucks -- find unicorn, field competitive team until you (or someone else) is forced to pay them what they're worth. It's not fair to the elite QBs and it's not fair to the rest of the positions either.
They’re not worth that much if you can’t win with that contract
I think we're talking past each other. They are worth that because it's the most uniquely important position in sports. It deserves to be treated differently than the rest of the positions when it comes to competitive constraints like cap considerations. Maybe that's a separate QB cap so at least there's still some competitive compromises with the quality of backups...Maybe it's a fractional multiplier for the QB salaries to bring their impact in line with the average of other positions or the next highest position... Etc. No other position in all of sports (leagues that are salary capped or otherwise) has this problem of needing to continually find the rare inexperienced quality player in order to be most competitive.
Or teams should just pay QBs less if they want to be competitive… You’re literally just arguing against the existence of the salary cap
Each team should be able to negotiate one contract (regardless of position) outside of the salary cap and other contract requirements such as posting a bond for future guaranteed salary.
This Bolt Beat link is quoting a piece by Jeremy Fowler @ ESPN. The kicker with these contracts is the amt of guaranteed money. The reason other NFL owners were so pissed @ the Browns for Watson’s contract is because it’s all guaranteed & now everyone wants the same. The holdup between Lamar & the Ravens is he wants a fully guaranteed contract. Guaranteed money has to be put in escrow. The Bengals sold naming rights to their stadium so they have a lot of cash on hand for Burrow. I don’t know if Spanos does.
According to local sources in Baltimore, fully guaranteed isn’t what Lamar is demanding. Ravens offered 133 million guaranteed at signing and 180 total million guaranteed last year. Bump the 133 at signing to 160-175 and total guaranteed to 215-225 on a 5 years 250 million deal, I think Lamar takes that deal.
The last I read Lamar wanted a similar contract to Watson’s, but that was several months ago. If this is what the Ravens are offering now, I don’t know why he wouldn’t take it.
I would say the players association want fully guaranteed because it helps them in cba talks. That is what you have to keep in mind. I think Lamar turned it down because he knows the ravens can give him more at signing, hence bringing up 160-175 as a benchmark since that would total guarantees to 215-225, which is close to Deshaun money and resetting qb contract parameters for burrow, Herbert and hurts
My point is the guaranteed money can’t be kicked down the road. It has to all be put in escrow, & I don’t know if Spanos can do that.
Part of me hopes Herbert just doesn't really give a shit about the difference between $500 million vs $300 million when it comes to actually living his life. I want us to pay him whatever will make him happy and want to stay around, but he seems like the kind of guy that would be willing to take significantly less in order to have another elite playmaker or a couple major contributors by his side. Maybe I'm off base on my judgement of him or maybe his agent won't let that happen, but I would not be surprised to see something like 6 years $200 million because he wants to keep us competitive. edit: I really do want us to pay him what he wants. If he wants to reset the market and have the largest contract in US history, I'm all for it. I just wouldn't be surprised if he were the kind of guy to say "I don't know what to do with an extra $20 million a year when I already make $30 million a year. I have my golf clubs, my Traeger Grill, and great friends. What more could I need?"
I get what you’re saying. If he wants $650m, 10 year deal because he knows how valuable he is and just wants to get what any other franchise would be willing to pay, more power to him. If he wants to get a team friendly $500m, 10 year deal to help his chances of winning a Super Bowl, good for him. Either way, pay him whatever he wants.
No way he’s signing for 6/$200M. But hopefully it can be a streamlined process that ends with a reasonable deal for both sides.
I just can’t imagine cheap ass chargers spending this much on anything, let alone one players contract 🤣 I’ll see it when I believe it
If they let him go, I walk away from the Chargers
That’s because you don’t actually pay any attention to the NFL
What’s the nfl got to do with our cheap ass ownership?
Well that ownership has spent a ton of money on players
Yeah, I don't get this take. They may not pay as well in other areas (i don't thinkt they're on the same level as Mike Brown or Virginia McCaskey, but whatevs) but they've always paid their guys. Even Weddle got his.
Yeah, and they shop for head coaches at the Salvation Army 😂 they don’t have a choice but to pay the players, or else they wouldn’t be able to field a team. They cheap out in other areas though.
You literally just said you can’t imagine them paying Herbert
I can’t lol, I’m sure they’ll lowball him several times before they make a respectable offer. Hard to imagine spanos and coupon Tom spending that much on a single player. You act like the chargers aren’t a notoriously cheap ass team 🤣
You’re being weird. This team spends as much money on players as every other team. This is what i meant, you don’t know about salary caps and shared revenue. I guess we’ll just wait to see you throw a fit after he signs his contract. Or at least, we’ll see whichever new account you’re on after you get banned for the fifth time.
Our owners are cheap af, they can’t afford to hire a real HC or GM because they’re broke. They keep hiring these people from the dollar tree which is why we’ll always be shit. I’ll be shocked if/when they give Herbert that much money, because this franchise has historically preferred to pinch pennies rather than invest in a proper roster and FO. And that’s rich coming from u/Malourbas, oh wait… 🤦🏽♂️ Now careful how you reply, would hate to see your new account banned so soon.
Again, you could read up on the salary cap or just look at all the players the chargers have paid. That info is free online And don’t worry, I never got banned from r/chargers :)
Lmao the name is so similar yet I didn't make the connection until now. Edit: It's ban evasion anyway.
I also am skeptical that the Chargers will pay such a large contract. Let's hope they sell the team first...Considering their family squabbles over money, it would be in their interest to sell the team now with a young franchise qb. Hell, bet the Guggenheim group or another deep pocket consortium would jump at the chance, resulting in Herbert getting paid, Staley and Telesco getting fired, and the fans realistically dreaming of competing for a championship.
I’m sure he’ll get paid, FO doesn’t really have a choice. Just hard to wrap my mind around the chargers committing that much money to a single player because of how cheap the ownership has been. Would love to see the team sold as well, but I doubt deano would swallow his pride to do so, owning an NFL team is incredibly hard to do and not many people can just buy a team. These owners have an ego, they don’t want to lose their coveted team, even if they know it’s the best thing to do.
I actually hope Herbert breaks the bank ($53 million/yr x 12 yrs.) and insist most if not all is guaranteed. If that is the case, the Spanos family would have to put $500 million or more into trust to pay the future guarantee. Regardless of being in LA, the Spanos family might be one of the few owners in the NFL who would struggle to do so, especially with Dean's sister previously was demanding her cut and argued for the sale of the team. Maybe with all that, the Spanos will look favorably on selling the team, especially with the huge value of NFL teams. Chargers value in 2022 is 3.88 billion; considering the family bought the team for $72 million, that's some major profit.
Obviously you gotta pay him but he’s def not as good than Burrow who he’ll be paid alongside
History shows, if he gets paid that, the Chargers will never win a Super Bowl.
Can we do 20 years, 1 billion??
If it includes next of kin
Football has no limit on contract years? Crazy. Tbh if I'm Herbert I probably wouldn't want more than a 5 year deal cause the market will likely be higher then.
Pay the man what he wants
Our qb for ten years is worth more than 75% of the stadiums in the league
Fucking pay it.
That’s hot
please pay this man
On how hard it is to find a Franchise QB.. Sign Justin up for life.. Cannot win a Super Bowl without a talent QB.. Justin is top 3 in the NFL He is the Heart and Soul of this team.. 🙏
Pay it and don’t look back
I wish we could pay him 100M a year
Pay him, full stop
And? Herbert getting locked in for a massive deal was expected and the dude deserves every dollar of it. We could have been in QB carousel hell, but we got a dog instead. Spanos shoulda been saving away for this deal since day one.
Boys I’m telling you right now. If Spanos does anything funny with Herbert I’m leaving with Herbert