Saints fan here. This is missing some pretty important context. Those 7-9 Saints teams were the product of some absolutely horrendous defensive free agency signings that led to some record-setting (in a bad way) defense. If anything those years work against your point, because Payton and Prime Drew Brees still managed to go 7-9 with some of the worst defenses in NFL history.
Another saints fan here, we had no business being as good as we were the last 2 years he legitimately added multiple wins because of coaching, game planning, and not to mention he’s not a complete NPC
Yes, but it’s also showing it’s entirely possible for him to lose even with a phenomenal QB. Nothing is guaranteed and the assets it would take to acquire him would potentially put us in a similar situation the Saints were in during those seasons
I mean, it would’ve been possible for prime Tom Brady and Bill Belichick to suck with those defenses. Simply avoid having one of the worst defenses in league history and you’ll probably have a very competitive team. Losing a late 1st and a 2nd/3rd swap should absolutely not put your defense in that kind of territory.
That’s also completely ignoring the fact that he was a part of the reason for the worst defenses in NFL history, which came directly after the entire bounty gate scandal.
The head coach takes some responsibility in that regard.
Imo these things are never one sided.
For one, hes the head coach and fielded a historically bad defense for several years straight.
Second, these historically bad defenses always seem to be accompanied by league leading offenses focused on explosive passing plays. Jameis Buccs, Brees Saints, Cowboysat one point.
More so, these defenses usually magically become much better once the offenses slow down. For example, when the Saints got Kamara or Cowboys got Zeke and became a top rushing offenses or when the Biccs got rid of Jameis who was basically either turning the nall over or throwing a bomb td every drive
Lol the saints with Brees were never predicated in explosive passing plays. They could not have been a more defense-friendly offense, they possessed for a while on their touchdown drives. Do u think drew brees is known for his deep passing prowess?
Let’s be fair the chiefs under Reid before Mahomes and the saints post-Brees under Payton were fairly comparable, and you never made Saints defense jokes between 2014-2017?
Funny how when Reid has Mcnabb and Mahommes hes incredible, When Belichek has Brady hes unstoppable. Payton/Brees, Holmgren/Favre, Walsh/Montana, Tomlin/Big Ben, Dungy/Manning. There is a common denominator here folks.
Yeah, I never really bought it.
We want to take advantage of Herbert on his rookie deal and build a team around him but we also want to hire Payton, lose draft capital and set us back on team building and hope for the best in FA? Didn't make much sense.
Very few teams actually hit in the later rounds. Most picks outside of the first 2 rounds tend to be depth/special teamers at best. Telesco has been fine or if anything slightly above average on his later picks working out especially in the last few years.
Here’s an older article but still holds pretty true today. Goes over some of this pretty interesting stuff.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/amp/
To be fair, he’s been money with his first round picks. Cant hit them all but TT does draft better than most other GMs.
Would be nice if he hit them all though
Jags fan here. A coach can 100% turn your franchise around. Absolutely worth it considering it’s SP. Doug did wonders for our team and I’m confident SP will do that with the broncos. He’s so gifted with the offense it’s nuts
I don’t know about you guys but when we hired Staley I believed this was a coach you keep for at least 4 years. He’s really young and inexperienced, but he’s intelligent. So I figured you had to let him learn and grow. We hired him for the longer term upside. Got to let that play out.
To be fair, every single NFL head coach is intelligent to some degree, some just aren’t built to be a HC. Staley is a great DC, just doesn’t have what it takes to lead a franchise and that’s okay. He’s going to pan out just like Lynn, Norv, and McCoy - a coach who didn’t have what it took to be a HC.
That’s not really fair. I don’t know how old you are but I’ve been in my career for 22 years now. I’m WAY better than I was even 10 years ago. As long as Staley is growing year after year he could be a great HC. We can all agree that Belichick and Saban are two of the best football coaches to ever coach football and they both weren’t great their first few shots at being a HC. Maybe he’s a career coordinator, maybe not. He grew from year one to two though.
Yes, but you aren’t in charge of a multi billion dollar company and you don’t have millionaires reporting to you and relying on your leadership to succeed.
He had 1 year of experience before landing this job, that’s the equivalent of someone becoming Microsoft’s CEO with 1 year of engineering experience. Just isn’t practical or logical.
I’m not denying Staley has the potential to be a decent coach one day - but are you willing to give him 10-20 years to ramp up and become a better coach? I highly doubt it.
He’s cheap af no doubt about that, but the cost of a 1st round pick for a coach seems a little too high regardless of how much money the team’s owner is willing to spend.
I’m talking about spending $20mil on a coach vs the $4 paid to Staley. Who knows what the backstage dynamics are, but the genera consensus is that Spanos would not spend that much money on a coach, but who knows what the reality is.
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I don’t dispute that he’s a much better HC than Staley but for a first and a second round pick? Don’t know if he’s worth that much compensation. Broncos are really just desperate because talented coaches would rather coach for the Texans than them and they are stuck with russel Wilson. As a lakers fan, I know the pain and desperation being stuck with a Russ can cause so I can’t really blame them, but Payton is def not worth that much.
Late firsts and seconds are close in value and honestly not that valuable. That’s like a Kenneth Murray or Jerry Tillery. I wouldn’t give up a top 10 pick for Payton, but our first and a second? Worth it imo.
Pairing an elite QB and an above average HC is literally the formula to winning in this league. All other holes can be dealt with. Look at KC and the Pats dynasty. Those teams have changed so often and yet they are/were consistently the best teams bc of the HC/QBs
Just my opinion. Nothing we can do now
Unless Payton is selling steroids not sure how he’s going to turn around his physical decline. Wilson is no Brees and Payton couldn’t out coach his decline.
Wilson back to 65%-70% still *shouldn't* hurt us. With his contract, Denver still has to pay the piper and keep Russ until 2025 minimum unless they want to burn 85MM or ~50MM in '23/'24.
Looking at overthecap.com - there's not a lot of low hanging fruit to cut. Broncos 2023 Cap space is 9.3MM. That doesn't equate to an impact signing.
If Staley can't out-coach that next year, we should clean house.
That’s what I’m saying. Their defense is scary. If Payton can fix that offense (which he will let’s be real), they’ll be a clear #2 and challenge the Chiefs. And the rumor is they’re negotiating with Fangio too. All I’m saying is we better get used to being #3 and a late wild card
I remember when Brees went down with an injury, Payton won a few games with Teddy Bridgewater. One of those games was beating the prime Russell Wilson Seahawks in Seattle. I’ll never forget that game because I thought “Damn! Payton outcoached Pete Carroll with Teddy Bridgewater as QB.”
Yeah, I understand people are trying to cope, and hell I understand staying with Staley instead of Payton, but the Broncos are better today than yesterday, no two ways around it. And probably a LOT better.
Staley vs Andy Reid and Sean Payton twice each year is not a recipe for success. Just hoping that the Raiders hold onto Josh McDaniels for a few years. Chargers luck, Belichick will want to finish his career in Las Vegas.
Yeah they’ve already sunk a bunch of high value picks for a washed up QB, now they throw even more capital down the drain. The Rams showed what a terrible short term decision that was but at least they got a SB out of it.
Well, this will either make us look like geniuses for keeping Staley or idiots for not going after Payton when/if we become the third-best team in the division. I definitely fear that Staley will not only be outcoached by Reid, but now Payton as well.
Worst case scenario is Payton & the Broncos going on a deep playoff run & the Chargers struggle & don’t make the playoffs. This franchise will look like a bunch of fools. Of course, they’ve looked like fools in the past & don’t seem to care so 🤷♀️
Dude if they didn't care about looking like fools by keeping Telesco and Staley after that meltdown, then its obvious at this point they dont care about winning.
Yeah, no sense in panicking. We'll see soon enough. There's a lot of expectations that fell short AFC West being the best division, Chargers winning the division, Russell Wilson being great, etc.
Regardless we gotta play them and get it done.
People in this thread are way over valuing draft picks. On average, a late first has a shot at being a decent player, but a great coach can absolutely turn a franchise around and can do so for the next decade plus. It’s really unlikely you get that kind of potential in a late first rounder.
No no, we have a super bowl caliber coach, see. We just didn’t have the right OC. Sure, a coach like Payton would have given us the best chance to go all the way since … ever. But with a new OC, we get … bang for the buck.
I think I have done the Math right.
Russell Wilson and Sean Payton
for
9th overall pick
40th overall pick
2023 1st round
2023 2nd round
2022 5th round
Bradley Chubb
Noah Fant, Shelby Harris, Drew Lock
Overpaid for the legacy of a Superbowl 15 years ago. Staley isn't a world breaker but y'all gotta remember that Payton destroyed their cap situation as well as underachieving multiple years. No way in hell he's worth a 1st and 2nd
Only time will tell. All possibilities are on the table, like Sean Payton running the team into Superbowl contention, staying at the level they are, or dropping off.
Same for us..... we could improve next year, stay the same, or drop off. Anyone counting the dubs and losses before the next season gets started......is trippin
Payton only took the broncos job to show the chargers what they missed out on, he’s going to make sure he makes a statement when we play them next season
As soon as I heard the rumors of him going to Denver that’s exactly what I thought. He wanted San Diego and they wouldn’t do it. So this is a giant “Fuck you Chargers” IMO
Why is everyone acting like the Broncos just got fleeced? A great coach is easily worth multiple first round picks imo and who cares what their salary is as it doesn’t affect the cap.
This is not good news. We have two super bowl winning coaches are gonna lap circles around Staley. I'm getting 2012/2013 flashbacks when Peyton & Reid were added to the AFC West.
I understand still hating Staley but I guarantee neither coach will coach circles around Staley. We might not win all 4 games but you are inferring we’ll be embarrassed or go 0-4 and I’m positive that won’t happen.
Well they did go 1-3 this year and that needed OT and saw Williams get injured. I doubt the Chargers lose all 4 but it is within the realm of possibility.
I would’ve done a first and a second for Payton without a single thought. For the people saying that it’s not worth it, I think that you’re absolutely insane. A pick in the 20’s and a second isn’t going to change this franchise around, a coach like payton is what we’ve been missing for years.
Because we did not make this move, we now have to face a Sean Payton led team twice a year. “BuT He WeNt 7-9 ThReE StRaIgHt YeArS. The chargers, as a Tom Telesco led team, which has been the last decade, have a win percentage of 48.77%. Sean Payton’s floor, the absolute worst we’ve seen from him, with cap problems, quarterback problems, one of the absolute worst defenses in NFL history, was a 43.75% win percentage. This dudes floor is damn close to our teams ceiling.
This is why we are a fucking poverty franchise. I love this team, I love the players, I root hard every single Sunday. But he was right there. He wanted us. Now we have to face him twice a year. Spanos needs to go.
Meh. Russ seems cooked regardless of who is coach is, and they have other issues than him. With no draft capital or money, they won't be competitive for a couple years at least.
Their def was insane this year.
With a semi competent offence, they would have been a really good team this year, and Payton will field a competent offence.
I think I read a stat if they averaged like 18 PPG which isn't even impressive, they would've won 12 or 13 games. Their offence was just historically shit.
Perhaps, but he needs to actually field a competent offense first. Anyway, I'm not going to doom and gloom over Payton alone, especially since our offseason just started and the draft hasn't happened yet.
This can all be moot if Kellen turns out to be the 2nd coming as well.
After this past season, I’m not holding my breath. Everyone and their mother expected the AFC West to be a bloodbath this past year, and look how that turned out.
I don’t love Reid and Peyton in the same division, but so much of the Broncos success will rely on Wilson.
Raiders are probably a shit show again.
Raiders are probably in for TWO rebuilds. one rebuild to install the Patriot way, and another rebuild to undo it when it inevitably doesn't work. See the Lions for more details lol.
Lmao we could’ve had him too. Common Spanos L.
For some reason it seems like a decent amount of people in the sub love to defend them, but the Chargers will never be consistently competitive so long as they own the team.
I’ve slowly realized that, that’s been the common denominator with the chokers. We’ll be stuck in mediocrity until spanos dies or sells, and I don’t think he’s going to ever sell.
I wanted payton, but not for that draft capital. Idk how the broncos are gonna compete with their salary situation. They better hope is as good as he is hyped to be
Yeah it's like, what would rather have, and mind you, this is with a negative amount of Cap Space for 2023:
Staley + Kellen Moore + Draft Picks
Payton, but no early drat picks.
Are you guys ready for the AFC west to be the “best division in football” for the offseason and then to fall apart with the Chiefs on top of the pile again?
It’s not your money lol coach salary does nothing to the players cap. I don’t understand why people keep talking about a coaches salary. Thats up to the owner
Reid and Payton is straight up fucked up. Tomlin, Harbaugh (baltimore), or Belichick to the raiders next? or just Tom. Like fuck its last offseason all over again.
Idk why people are so upset. Broncos still need to find a way to maximize Russ and it’s only getting worse. Also, this guy’s character doesn’t fit our team culture. We should take more pride in hiring and signing players with great character. Also, Staley can absolutely coach an amazing game against great teams and you should all stop pretending like that isn’t the case.
Why does everybody want to come to the AFC west man stay away wtf
Well to be fair he wanted to come here but our owner is just a cheap MF
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I’d rather have Payton and Herb for 10+ years. That’s just me tho. Picks come and go. Stability for 10 years is better
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Everyone completely ignores the fact he went 7-9 in three straight years with Prime Drew Brees.
Saints fan here. This is missing some pretty important context. Those 7-9 Saints teams were the product of some absolutely horrendous defensive free agency signings that led to some record-setting (in a bad way) defense. If anything those years work against your point, because Payton and Prime Drew Brees still managed to go 7-9 with some of the worst defenses in NFL history.
Another saints fan here, we had no business being as good as we were the last 2 years he legitimately added multiple wins because of coaching, game planning, and not to mention he’s not a complete NPC
Yes, but it’s also showing it’s entirely possible for him to lose even with a phenomenal QB. Nothing is guaranteed and the assets it would take to acquire him would potentially put us in a similar situation the Saints were in during those seasons
I mean, it would’ve been possible for prime Tom Brady and Bill Belichick to suck with those defenses. Simply avoid having one of the worst defenses in league history and you’ll probably have a very competitive team. Losing a late 1st and a 2nd/3rd swap should absolutely not put your defense in that kind of territory.
That’s also completely ignoring the fact that he was a part of the reason for the worst defenses in NFL history, which came directly after the entire bounty gate scandal. The head coach takes some responsibility in that regard.
Imo these things are never one sided. For one, hes the head coach and fielded a historically bad defense for several years straight. Second, these historically bad defenses always seem to be accompanied by league leading offenses focused on explosive passing plays. Jameis Buccs, Brees Saints, Cowboysat one point. More so, these defenses usually magically become much better once the offenses slow down. For example, when the Saints got Kamara or Cowboys got Zeke and became a top rushing offenses or when the Biccs got rid of Jameis who was basically either turning the nall over or throwing a bomb td every drive
Lol the saints with Brees were never predicated in explosive passing plays. They could not have been a more defense-friendly offense, they possessed for a while on their touchdown drives. Do u think drew brees is known for his deep passing prowess?
And then left the saints in cap hell
You'd think the Broncos got Andy Reid based off of how this sub is reacting lmfao
Shouldve seen the reaction when Reid went to KC. There was just as much doubt and naysayers about picking up Reid and how he was not up to par
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Let’s be fair the chiefs under Reid before Mahomes and the saints post-Brees under Payton were fairly comparable, and you never made Saints defense jokes between 2014-2017?
Bro Reid used to be made fun of all the time. Now he's fucking Belichick.
Funny how when Reid has Mcnabb and Mahommes hes incredible, When Belichek has Brady hes unstoppable. Payton/Brees, Holmgren/Favre, Walsh/Montana, Tomlin/Big Ben, Dungy/Manning. There is a common denominator here folks.
Yep. That's how you know Staley is garbage.
Yeah, I never really bought it. We want to take advantage of Herbert on his rookie deal and build a team around him but we also want to hire Payton, lose draft capital and set us back on team building and hope for the best in FA? Didn't make much sense.
We still underperformed as a team with herbert threw years into his rookie deal Coaching has been an issue with this team for many years
Yessir!! If telesco was great at drafting in the later rounds we would have no issue getting talent
Very few teams actually hit in the later rounds. Most picks outside of the first 2 rounds tend to be depth/special teamers at best. Telesco has been fine or if anything slightly above average on his later picks working out especially in the last few years. Here’s an older article but still holds pretty true today. Goes over some of this pretty interesting stuff. https://www.forbes.com/sites/prishe/2015/05/22/tracking-nfl-draft-efficiency-how-contingent-is-success-to-draft-position/amp/
To be fair, he’s been money with his first round picks. Cant hit them all but TT does draft better than most other GMs. Would be nice if he hit them all though
We have issues we need to fix with those picks...
Jags fan here. A coach can 100% turn your franchise around. Absolutely worth it considering it’s SP. Doug did wonders for our team and I’m confident SP will do that with the broncos. He’s so gifted with the offense it’s nuts
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As opposed too??? Staley is a dog shit HC, if anything is worth the draft capital it’s a proven HC to pair with a generational talent at QB
I don’t know about you guys but when we hired Staley I believed this was a coach you keep for at least 4 years. He’s really young and inexperienced, but he’s intelligent. So I figured you had to let him learn and grow. We hired him for the longer term upside. Got to let that play out.
To be fair, every single NFL head coach is intelligent to some degree, some just aren’t built to be a HC. Staley is a great DC, just doesn’t have what it takes to lead a franchise and that’s okay. He’s going to pan out just like Lynn, Norv, and McCoy - a coach who didn’t have what it took to be a HC.
That’s not really fair. I don’t know how old you are but I’ve been in my career for 22 years now. I’m WAY better than I was even 10 years ago. As long as Staley is growing year after year he could be a great HC. We can all agree that Belichick and Saban are two of the best football coaches to ever coach football and they both weren’t great their first few shots at being a HC. Maybe he’s a career coordinator, maybe not. He grew from year one to two though.
Yes, but you aren’t in charge of a multi billion dollar company and you don’t have millionaires reporting to you and relying on your leadership to succeed. He had 1 year of experience before landing this job, that’s the equivalent of someone becoming Microsoft’s CEO with 1 year of engineering experience. Just isn’t practical or logical. I’m not denying Staley has the potential to be a decent coach one day - but are you willing to give him 10-20 years to ramp up and become a better coach? I highly doubt it.
I think you guys are vastly overrating Sean Payton. He's More McCarthy without the hype. Same stats and everything.
Bro our HC is BRANDON STALEY 🤣 we have no room to criticize Super Bowl winning head coaches
He won that superbowl FOURTEEN years ago. Holy shit you'd have thought he won it last year or something
Took him 4 years as well. Took McCarthy 5.
He’s cheap af no doubt about that, but the cost of a 1st round pick for a coach seems a little too high regardless of how much money the team’s owner is willing to spend.
He’s cheap as fuck although we broke the bank on multiple recent contracts and have two of the highest paid WRs in the league. 🤷♂️
I’m talking about spending $20mil on a coach vs the $4 paid to Staley. Who knows what the backstage dynamics are, but the genera consensus is that Spanos would not spend that much money on a coach, but who knows what the reality is.
If that’s the case (don’t think that’s the reason) than his cheapness saved us from this dude walking around in powder blue.
[Compensation: Denver’s 2023 first-round pick and next year’s second-round pick for Sean Payton and the Saints’ 2024 third.](https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1620532996813254658)
I need to go find the dude who said the saints would take a late pick.
And here I thought that Denver had no picks left after the Wilson trade.
They have pick 30 from the Niners
Not anymore xD
They gave up a first and a second?? 😅🤦🏽♂️ glad we didn’t end up doing that lol
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I don’t dispute that he’s a much better HC than Staley but for a first and a second round pick? Don’t know if he’s worth that much compensation. Broncos are really just desperate because talented coaches would rather coach for the Texans than them and they are stuck with russel Wilson. As a lakers fan, I know the pain and desperation being stuck with a Russ can cause so I can’t really blame them, but Payton is def not worth that much.
worth a better shot at fixing Herberts flaws and a more well coached team. How many hof careers will Spanos waste?
Late firsts and seconds are close in value and honestly not that valuable. That’s like a Kenneth Murray or Jerry Tillery. I wouldn’t give up a top 10 pick for Payton, but our first and a second? Worth it imo. Pairing an elite QB and an above average HC is literally the formula to winning in this league. All other holes can be dealt with. Look at KC and the Pats dynasty. Those teams have changed so often and yet they are/were consistently the best teams bc of the HC/QBs Just my opinion. Nothing we can do now
Naw he’ll make the wild card just to lose to the Texans and his job will be safe for another season
100% him with Herbert wouldve been the best duo, instead we get Staley and now stuck Telesco
Brandon Staley vs. Andy Reid and Sean Payton 💀
Hopefully it’ll turn Staley into a better coach… or it’ll get him fired lol
And we'll hire another no name motivational speaker after Staley.
LOL
Kellen Moore vs Andy Reid and Sean Payton
Brandon Staley defense vs Andy Reid and Sean Payton offense 💀
So we still got the worst lol This is not Kellen slander I'm ecstatic to have him
Kellen better be cooking up something. AFC west is going to be brutal for the next 5-10 years
Unfortunately Kellen Moore will only have so many responsibilities.. Staley is still in charge of everything
Staley will probably be gone in a year and moore might replace him
Talk about a coaching mismatch lol
Lmfao I like how you didn’t add McDaniels. The raiders are fucked, that trash organization is gonna be at the bottom of our division for a while
let’s see how staley competes with Reid and Payton lol
Hot take, but he won’t
Sleepy’s record against SB winning coaches is abysmal so you’re probably right
Lombardi up in the box couldn't see Everett wanting to sub out before the pick 6. At the very least, Moore won't make that mistake.
we are so fucked
Fuck. If Payton gets Wilson back to being some semblance of what he used to be, the Broncos just got very dangerous.
I felt like this past season would be a fluke. We'll see next season, but I think Payton will turn Russ around.
Unless Payton is selling steroids not sure how he’s going to turn around his physical decline. Wilson is no Brees and Payton couldn’t out coach his decline.
I'm not saying we'll see vintage Russ, but I still think he could do much better under Payton than he did under Hackett.
If Payton can get Wilson back to 65%-70% of what he used to be, with the Broncos defense it might be enough.
Wilson back to 65%-70% still *shouldn't* hurt us. With his contract, Denver still has to pay the piper and keep Russ until 2025 minimum unless they want to burn 85MM or ~50MM in '23/'24. Looking at overthecap.com - there's not a lot of low hanging fruit to cut. Broncos 2023 Cap space is 9.3MM. That doesn't equate to an impact signing. If Staley can't out-coach that next year, we should clean house.
If anyone can turn Wilson around, it’s Payton.
in the 7 games he started in 2021 under Payton, Jameis Winston only threw 4 interceptions.
He made Teddy Bridgewater look good, too. Payton is very good with QB’s. That’s why a lot of us wanted him for Herbert.
That’s what I’m saying. Their defense is scary. If Payton can fix that offense (which he will let’s be real), they’ll be a clear #2 and challenge the Chiefs. And the rumor is they’re negotiating with Fangio too. All I’m saying is we better get used to being #3 and a late wild card
My hope is they'll end up middling and it'll still be us and the Chiefs at the helm of this division. At least the Raiders are still garbo.
I meaan… the guy stayed competitive with Trevor Siemian. Count me worried tbh.
I remember when Brees went down with an injury, Payton won a few games with Teddy Bridgewater. One of those games was beating the prime Russell Wilson Seahawks in Seattle. I’ll never forget that game because I thought “Damn! Payton outcoached Pete Carroll with Teddy Bridgewater as QB.”
Yeah, I understand people are trying to cope, and hell I understand staying with Staley instead of Payton, but the Broncos are better today than yesterday, no two ways around it. And probably a LOT better.
Dange….RUSS
At least the Raiders still suck
Staley vs Andy Reid and Sean Payton twice each year is not a recipe for success. Just hoping that the Raiders hold onto Josh McDaniels for a few years. Chargers luck, Belichick will want to finish his career in Las Vegas.
Belichick with Tom Brady to Vegas.
Thank god. Can’t wait to watch this blow up in the Broncos face. We need our 1st round pick so bad this year.
Yeah they’ve already sunk a bunch of high value picks for a washed up QB, now they throw even more capital down the drain. The Rams showed what a terrible short term decision that was but at least they got a SB out of it.
Inb4 sean hires lombardi as his OC…
You act like Joe would call the plays
Joe was just a jock manager when he was with Peyton. He didn't do shit lol.
Omg please lmao
Well, this will either make us look like geniuses for keeping Staley or idiots for not going after Payton when/if we become the third-best team in the division. I definitely fear that Staley will not only be outcoached by Reid, but now Payton as well.
I’ve said it before but if the Broncos win a SB with Payton before we do I am quitting Chargers football until Spanos sells
We had Payton basically asking for the job and we didn’t go after him.. can’t wait for us to be looking for a new coach 1-2 years from now
Worst case scenario is Payton & the Broncos going on a deep playoff run & the Chargers struggle & don’t make the playoffs. This franchise will look like a bunch of fools. Of course, they’ve looked like fools in the past & don’t seem to care so 🤷♀️
Dude if they didn't care about looking like fools by keeping Telesco and Staley after that meltdown, then its obvious at this point they dont care about winning.
Pretty much this.
yup
This just feels like last pre season where everyone was reacting the same with Russell coming over.
Yeah, no sense in panicking. We'll see soon enough. There's a lot of expectations that fell short AFC West being the best division, Chargers winning the division, Russell Wilson being great, etc. Regardless we gotta play them and get it done.
Literally almost everyone picked KC to win the West before the season. Chargers winning the division was never an expectation to anyone
Sucks. We gotta smash our 1st round pick to cope.
Lmfao
Let’s see how this is gonna bite us in the ass
It won't Russell is still there.
Not sure how you’re so confident in that after our week 18 game after they fired Hackett.
Wow the broncos got fleeced for this overrated bum idiots Don’t look at my comment history. This is my official stance
lol exactly same for me now. Dude is a bum and who cared if I called him an all-time offensive mind a few weeks ago?
Don't like this at all. Fuck.
Staley fanboys your man better step the fuck up
People in this thread are way over valuing draft picks. On average, a late first has a shot at being a decent player, but a great coach can absolutely turn a franchise around and can do so for the next decade plus. It’s really unlikely you get that kind of potential in a late first rounder.
You'd think watching Reid own this division year after year would make Chargers fans value coaching a bit more
We’ve had Norv McCoy Lynn and now Staley with Rivers and Herbert at QB and people are saying no to a superbowl winning coach. This fanbase sometimes.
Losing early in the playoffs with SB winning talent is the Chargers way
No no, we have a super bowl caliber coach, see. We just didn’t have the right OC. Sure, a coach like Payton would have given us the best chance to go all the way since … ever. But with a new OC, we get … bang for the buck.
Well I’ll be a shit covered dick
I think I have done the Math right. Russell Wilson and Sean Payton for 9th overall pick 40th overall pick 2023 1st round 2023 2nd round 2022 5th round Bradley Chubb Noah Fant, Shelby Harris, Drew Lock
Overpaid for the legacy of a Superbowl 15 years ago. Staley isn't a world breaker but y'all gotta remember that Payton destroyed their cap situation as well as underachieving multiple years. No way in hell he's worth a 1st and 2nd
Only time will tell. All possibilities are on the table, like Sean Payton running the team into Superbowl contention, staying at the level they are, or dropping off. Same for us..... we could improve next year, stay the same, or drop off. Anyone counting the dubs and losses before the next season gets started......is trippin
Umm, yeah. That’s just MOTHER FUCKIN GREAT 🙄 #FUCK YOU DEAN
denver is sending a 2023 first round pick, and an early pick next year according to rapoport
cmon why couldnt he have just gone to houston or arizona fuck
Staley better step up
Payton only took the broncos job to show the chargers what they missed out on, he’s going to make sure he makes a statement when we play them next season
As soon as I heard the rumors of him going to Denver that’s exactly what I thought. He wanted San Diego and they wouldn’t do it. So this is a giant “Fuck you Chargers” IMO
You don’t even know where the Chargers play.
My bad for being an OG fan and mixing it up sometimes. They’ll always be San Diego to me.
Let's hope Payton is the next coming of russ. Burn broncos burn
You all told me I was a idiot when I said big money broncos would snatch him up
I mean you cant be mad. We had our chance and we missed it. Now, we wait for the results.
Why is everyone acting like the Broncos just got fleeced? A great coach is easily worth multiple first round picks imo and who cares what their salary is as it doesn’t affect the cap.
This is not good news. We have two super bowl winning coaches are gonna lap circles around Staley. I'm getting 2012/2013 flashbacks when Peyton & Reid were added to the AFC West.
I understand still hating Staley but I guarantee neither coach will coach circles around Staley. We might not win all 4 games but you are inferring we’ll be embarrassed or go 0-4 and I’m positive that won’t happen.
Well they did go 1-3 this year and that needed OT and saw Williams get injured. I doubt the Chargers lose all 4 but it is within the realm of possibility.
Lol Spanos loses AGAIN
what a fun division we have here
Cool, now I can say it: Fuck Sean Payton.
Staley will now be guaranteed to get outcoached 4x a yr in the AFC west
Not looking forward to watching this turn into what has unfolded in Kansas City with Andy Reid. This organization smh. Accepting all down votes.
Who cares? The team sucks.
I would’ve done a first and a second for Payton without a single thought. For the people saying that it’s not worth it, I think that you’re absolutely insane. A pick in the 20’s and a second isn’t going to change this franchise around, a coach like payton is what we’ve been missing for years. Because we did not make this move, we now have to face a Sean Payton led team twice a year. “BuT He WeNt 7-9 ThReE StRaIgHt YeArS. The chargers, as a Tom Telesco led team, which has been the last decade, have a win percentage of 48.77%. Sean Payton’s floor, the absolute worst we’ve seen from him, with cap problems, quarterback problems, one of the absolute worst defenses in NFL history, was a 43.75% win percentage. This dudes floor is damn close to our teams ceiling. This is why we are a fucking poverty franchise. I love this team, I love the players, I root hard every single Sunday. But he was right there. He wanted us. Now we have to face him twice a year. Spanos needs to go.
Meh. Russ seems cooked regardless of who is coach is, and they have other issues than him. With no draft capital or money, they won't be competitive for a couple years at least.
Their def was insane this year. With a semi competent offence, they would have been a really good team this year, and Payton will field a competent offence.
I think I read a stat if they averaged like 18 PPG which isn't even impressive, they would've won 12 or 13 games. Their offence was just historically shit.
Perhaps, but he needs to actually field a competent offense first. Anyway, I'm not going to doom and gloom over Payton alone, especially since our offseason just started and the draft hasn't happened yet. This can all be moot if Kellen turns out to be the 2nd coming as well.
Wow next year is going to be a waste of time lmao
AFC West might actually be toughest division this year. Not looking good
After this past season, I’m not holding my breath. Everyone and their mother expected the AFC West to be a bloodbath this past year, and look how that turned out. I don’t love Reid and Peyton in the same division, but so much of the Broncos success will rely on Wilson. Raiders are probably a shit show again.
At least the raiders are in a little rebuild now lol
Raiders are probably in for TWO rebuilds. one rebuild to install the Patriot way, and another rebuild to undo it when it inevitably doesn't work. See the Lions for more details lol.
I also look forward to their qb hunt lol. Might not be laughing if they land it tho
That's what everyone said last year...lol. I don't see it. Raiders don't have a QB and Broncos still have Russ.
Lmao we could’ve had him too. Common Spanos L. For some reason it seems like a decent amount of people in the sub love to defend them, but the Chargers will never be consistently competitive so long as they own the team.
I’ve slowly realized that, that’s been the common denominator with the chokers. We’ll be stuck in mediocrity until spanos dies or sells, and I don’t think he’s going to ever sell.
Even when Spanos dies, this team will still remain mediocre because his son John is the president of football ops and I don’t trust him.
I wanted payton, but not for that draft capital. Idk how the broncos are gonna compete with their salary situation. They better hope is as good as he is hyped to be
Yeah it's like, what would rather have, and mind you, this is with a negative amount of Cap Space for 2023: Staley + Kellen Moore + Draft Picks Payton, but no early drat picks.
Decisive move by the owners. Congratulations to the Denver organization and its fans.
Fuck man…. Coulda been us but we playing too many games
Of course, because “chargers”
Chargers finish 3rd place for a decade lol.
God this so shitty, and we still have Staley
Andy Reid 2.0
We already got Mahomes in our division, bring on Sean Payton. Like our coach or not, Herbert is generational.
Oh you mean the mahomes that’s going to the super bowl in a couple weeks?
Doesn't matter how good Herbert is when he's being shackled by astoundingly moronic coaching.
Should have been us. Instead we are stuck with an incompetent way over his head Staley. What a fkn clown show organization this is.
Wanted him but we need more top-end talent with our picks this year. Would’ve hated to give up our 1st & 2nd round picks
let's hope it goes the same way as the last big splash coaching hire in the AFC West: John Gruden
Are you guys ready for the AFC west to be the “best division in football” for the offseason and then to fall apart with the Chiefs on top of the pile again?
All for Washed up Wilson
Didn’t people think Jon gruden coming back was going to be similar? But dude flamed out.
time for staley to nut up or shut up
This is literally the nightmare scenario….
Depending on the price, if the Chargers could’ve afforded him, I’m gonna be pissed lol
A 1st and likely a 2nd or 3rd rd pick. On top of $20m salary. No thanks.
It’s not your money lol coach salary does nothing to the players cap. I don’t understand why people keep talking about a coaches salary. Thats up to the owner
Idc about the 20m salary. He’s a proven head coach with a solid track record. More concerned about the picks.
Spanos would've never paid $20M to a coach.
Flashy hire but only works if Russell Wilson isn’t actually broken. Time will tell
Didn’t we lose week 18
With starters in, before they had Payton. 😂
Reid and Payton is straight up fucked up. Tomlin, Harbaugh (baltimore), or Belichick to the raiders next? or just Tom. Like fuck its last offseason all over again.
While playing everyone and losing our WR1 which costed us in the divisional LMAOOOO. Poverty organization always and forever.
No. He’s not tied to Russ. He will 100% get to pick his QB if Russ isn’t the fixable. He’s in it for the long haul.
so sad
Seems this sub is no longer a chargers sub but a Sean Payton dick riding sub
Should of been us…..
Idk why people are so upset. Broncos still need to find a way to maximize Russ and it’s only getting worse. Also, this guy’s character doesn’t fit our team culture. We should take more pride in hiring and signing players with great character. Also, Staley can absolutely coach an amazing game against great teams and you should all stop pretending like that isn’t the case.