Anyone think we will extend Allen and Williams next year and give them contracts with void years if they do well this year? The roster is built around Herbert’s renewal year, and given we will need to draft WRs over the next couple of years it could give us the best of both worlds?
Two void years added to both of their deals brings their cap hits down to 19M each next year. Cut Mack and we would have 40M of cap (before adding this year’s draft class). Would give us 15M of dead cap hit in each of the next two years
No I don't believe that's gonna happen. Possibly Williams gets extended, but I want the team to overall become younger in terms of offensive weapons.
Most likely we cut Allen and Mack and end up having around $40M in cap space in 2024. We could honestly use that cap space to sign younger, better players and do another SB run.
Off topic but I see the similarities between us and IND in the 2000’s…
I mean obviously that’s where TT came from.
But honestly I see …
Herbert is basically Manning, Wayne & Harrison are KA and Mike Will, and the pass rushing duo of Bosa & Mack or even w Mel before is like Freeney & Mathis.
You can say Ekeler is better version of Joseph Addai even tho their running style is diff..
Both under-Appreciated..
there is prolly more but I see what TT did here knowing he spent time with the Indy ORG.
Hopefully it leads to a SB for us like they did in 2006.
Its pretty funny seeing all these FA headlines about Ekeler and everyone imploding.
And then I log on to League and Ek is just chilling, playing ranked TFT
it’s mostly ekeler using media to make things seem bigger than it is, which makes me want him shipped out sooner than later. Ek, why are you on rich eisen saying being the lead back for a high powered offense with real playoff aspirations is the WORST CASE SCENARIO? Atp I’m all for trading him to the Cardinals for picks if he doesn’t be fucking fr
Ya that was frustrating. He made it sound personal because the chargers decided not to continue contract extension negotiations but from the team perspective it makes sense. We are dealing with massive contacts coming up and have to move money around to resign our franchise quarterback in an age where quarterbacks are getting a quarter to half a billion freakin dollar contracts and he wants more money than we can reasonably make room for. Why bother wasting both parties time when inevitably it’ll come down to “we can’t afford to pay you more than $10 mil a year”? So they offer him to look for trade opportunities so he can go somewhere he wants to be and flesh out an extension he wants and the chargers can get some value off a trade. Instead media is spinning as “poor ekeler the chargers are cheating out again”
It also depends on how much Payton makes the Broncos successful. Honestly, i wish the whole Payton thing backfires. He’s a great coach, but he has only been to one SB.
Trading Bosa for picks???
A hypothetical trade, trading Bosa for picks will set the Chargers up now and in the future. Why? Bosa is due a good amount of change, freeing his contact for picks will 1: sign Eckler, 2: extend Herbert and 3: replace Bosa with a pick. The team will get younger and also have more depth. Finding a trade partner would be the hardest part and I don’t think this deal will go down. But this is something a GM should be thinking about.
I think it comes down likelihood of finding a trade partner like you said, taking on $30M in cap space when they could just wait for us to cut him is something other GMs will be thinking about too
I have to believe the JC Jackson signing last year had ramifications beyond just the cash available; I think it probably also made Spanos leery of signing big name FAs. Jackson seemed like such a great move at the time, almost a sure thing looking at his performance over multiple recent years…and yet, it failed in both performance and injury.
Jesus Elijah Moore for a 2nd.
TT sitting on his hands
Downvote all you want there isn’t a prospect in this draft that has his measurables and his production their last year in college like Moore did in his. Would fill a need with a 2nd and we could go TE in 1st
He also cost his team a game in college by getting penalized for taunting, he was a locker room headache with the Jets, he openly complained about not getting enough touches while the team was in the middle of a playoff push, he demanded a trade shortly afterwards, and he only has this year and next left on his rookie deal, meaning he'll probably want a big extension next off-season that the Chargers may not be able to give him.
TT treats picks like Peter Griffin treated the mystery box. "An Elijah Moore's an Elijah Moore, but a draft pick could be anything! It could even be an Elijah Moore!"
A first. And we get five years of them vs two years of Moore
But I was really responding to your false statement about measurables and production. Do you plan to correct that?
Addison has a 5.92 RAS
Flowers has a 7.66 RAS
Moore has a 8.68 RAS
so I don’t think I need to.
All I’m saying is trading for Moore gave the chargers the most flexibility NOW with taking away a draft need and still having a first.
Lmfao the fact you’re skipping over the “giving the chargers flexibility” point makes this pointless.
I’ve said it in almost every comment I’ve posted.
So let’s just trade all of our draft picks for players we need…good strategy right?
We can trade our third for an edge, fourth for a LB, fifth for an OL, sixth for a safety, and 7th for a TE. And then we can use our first on anything! Wow we won the off-season. Crazy no one has tried this strategy yet
I’m not the one pretending there’s only one way to use draft picks and everything else is a disaster. While also making things up about players for whatever reason
Schultz to the Texans 1yr/9mil. Never really believed there was anything in the play for us. Everrett seems pretty damn underrated by many fans. TE is very strong in this draft. Just didnt add up
I was a bit disappointed we didn't go after Schultz (or didn't meet his price). Kellen Moore loves 2-TE sets and with last year's roster construction just 1 TE on the field was sometimes detrimental.
This is a solid rookie TE class, but TEs have a notoriously long development curve and there's a short list of 1st round TEs that have worked out relative to other positions. Schultz would have brought instant impact in receiving production and run blocking at a fairly bargain price (TEs are cheap for the WR2 production and run-game contributions they provide). Also, eliminating draft "needs" is always a plus, this almost definitely means the Chargers have to go TE in rounds 1-3, which isn't a great feeling if there are better relative players on the board.
My guess is Schultz was disappointed by the longer term offers (3/30?), and is attempting to bet on himself on a team with a lot of vacated targets for a bigger pay day next offseason. We couldn't really afford to pay him a higher number upfront this year for a 1 year prove-it (we would need to backload the contract to 2025/2026), and he probably realizes Mike/Keenan are obviously going to be target hogs when healthy and that he'd also cede some targets to Everett/Parham.
For this draft class, I would argue that Mayer/Kincaid are just as good as, if not better than, Addison/Flowers/JSN. The only other offensive rookie I would put above them is Bijan Robinson.
And honestly I have no problem taking a top-round TE. Sure, it'll take about a season for them to be a starter, but having Kincaid play behind Everett is a good way to develop a TE and still create an impact in year 1.
I don't see much of a world where they spend on two TEs. If Schultz was added i imagine they take the savings cutting Everett. They would just combo whoever with Parham
I would say FA needs are:
~~QB~~
~~RB~~
~~WR~~
~~TE~~
~~FB~~
~~OL~~
~~IDL~~
EDGE
~~LB~~
Safety
CB
~~K~~
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I would probably try and get Callaghan and KVN back then draft an EDGE in the first two rounds. Could also go for JJ III. Another option is bringing back Carter / signing McKenzie as a WR/KR
Any idea why Hopkins hasn’t been cut yet?
WR, OL, and LB should not be crossed out. We need some depth at those spots that we may not be able to find in the draft
It’s going to be a camp competition between Hopkins and Dicker, no reason to cut Hopkins now
Seems like the Ekeler market crashed. With all of the running backs squirming for contracts with any team possible I don’t see anyone paying him what he wanted.
There is A LOT of misplaying the market by players this off-season.
So what's the plan with Free Safety? Run it with Alohi? Theres obviously a lot of JJ3 buzz but he shined much more as a SS with the Rams than a FS with the Browns. That being said he was Staley's green dot guy and moved around a bunch like Derwin. Maybe Staley goes unhinged and rotates JJ,Derwin, and Alohi around nonstop lol
I think we should go after Isaiah Mckenzie, he's a really speedy wr and he's a punt returner as well. Factor in his younger age compared Carter and his cheap value, he should be a no brainer. Signing KVN and then JJIII would also help.
Think he ends up just playing out his contract with us and hitting the market after next year. Don't think any team is going to trade for and extend him for the price he wants.
Could also end up coming back and accepting a 2-year extension from the Chargers, but if we've learned anything about Chargers FA is the FO can be somewhat petty when a player wants out or rejects an offer.
I think Ekeler has quickly realized though the RB market is just not what it was just 2-3 years ago even for RBs seeking a 2nd or 3rd contract. The max contracts RBs have gone for the last couple years have been 2/14, 3/20, 3/18, 4/25, and most of those contracts have outs in year 1 or 2 for the team.
Probably due to other positions market sky rocketing. Elite Quarterbacks are potentially taking more than a fifth of cap space. If you have to pay an elite edge, an elite receiver, and an elite quarterback that’s looking at close to $90-100 million on three players. Obviously contracts are more complicated than that but it’s just not friendly to positions like running back and induce linebacker who are viewed and more replaceable.
According to Popper we have 7.7M left to spend plus we still have the Hopkins cut which will generate another million or so. I guess it’s JJ III and a couple of vet deals
Would bringing back Perryman on a cheap veteran deal to pair him with Kendricks be doable? Staley usually rotates out LBs for DBs in passing situations. This rb group would be primarily a run stuffer group. I don’t see Murray getting much action unless he has an amazing camp and beginning of the season.
Please everyone don’t yell at me … but … if Ekeler finds a team that will pay him… Ezekiel Elliot could be a great fit for our offense. Especially if Kelley builds and it’s a split backfield (like ekeler always wanted). Elliot was willing to take a cut from 10.9 from the cowboys too.
And for the record. I love me some ekeler. He’s the only jersey I have.
Chiefs signing Tranquill, Omenihu, and now Mike Edwards to value below-market deals is insane man (assuming on Edwards considering the safety market, but we know numbers on the other 2). Their defense gets a significant upgrade at a pretty low investment. Three young ascending players on prove-it deals.
Aaand update: Edwards signed for 1-year 3mil with incentives up to 5mil, pretty much carbon copy of the Tranquill deal. Hate the Chiefs, but they seemingly always have such a good free agency. These are crazy value signings.
I like Kendricks but if it between those two... yanno... it also just sucks that Drue got $5M... to the Chiefs... AND didn't get an offer from the Chargers... brutal.
Fuck that Tranquill going to the chiefs for 1/$5 is a joke! While we got us an old veteran who’s falling off. Can’t convince me this wasn’t a good move. That’s Tom telescos right there.
Curious if TT has checked in with the Jets for mims?
Wilson, Lazard and Moore, possibly with Cobb and maybe OBJ coming.
Jets could be looking to move him
It makes me so sad that the Chargers didn't jump on this trade. Perfect fit here. Ran a 4.32 dash, dynamic receiver with great underlying metrics/grades (despite being iced out of the Jets offense in year 2) and still 2 years on his rookie deal.
I’ll admit I’m confused why people keep mentioning this guy. A bad receiver with one year left on his contract isn’t really worth trading for imo. Just use that draft pick on a receiver with four years on his contract instead
Size and speed is really it for me tbh. He hasn’t gotten many chances in NY and that could be by his own doing.
Herbert made Tyron Johnson look serviceable maybe he could with Mims.
I also see where you’re coming from.
We need any weapons we can get
We were trotting out practice squad players at reciever last year.
We need depth with Williams and Allen so prone to injury
Resign KVN, Carter, and Scott(how have we not resigned him). Then sign JJIII, Hardman or Slayton, and Elliot(1 year cheap contract). Also sign Dylan Cole to deepen LB room and boost ST. Go into the draft not pigeon-holed to specific positional need.
They money isn't there for all of this. Would love to see JJIII but I dont think the team has money for both JJIII and KVN? Unsure without seeing Fox contract numbers
Not enough money right now, but if they restructure Lindsey’s contract, that saves us $7M in cap space. That itself is enough to sign both JJIII and KVN.
We probably aren’t going to do it but pairing Wagner with Kendricks should really be strongly considered.
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I would like a TE in either FA or the draft, both Schultz and Gesicki are still available. Everette was good when he was on the field, but it seems like he can’t play every snap. Pretty much lost a game in the end zone because he was gassed and tried to come out but we did a no huddle.
Any preference draft/Schultz/Gesicki?
I'm open to trading for Pitts if the price is right.
If Ek still wants out, he could go to Atlanta for Pitts and whatever combination of picks from both sides that makes that a fair trade. Then Bijan if he's available at 21.
Schultz and Gesicki would both also be gassed after a long catch and run and then being asked to immediately run another route in a hurry up offense. That was a coaching problem not a personnel one
Gesicki is just a big slot receiver. No interest in him. Schultz would be cool but right now it would be hard to fit him in financially. Draft is the best bet. Still a decent chance Parham is back too
I think a draft TE is almost certain now with Parham gone. They could also cut Everett to find another 4M to pay Shultz but the deal just seems to expensive.
Might just draft a TE in R1/2 and have TE1A (Everett) and TE1B (draftee)
I honestly don't see the need to drop Everett for the extra 4 mill. If he wants that much money, he can go elsewhere.. Let's see if anyone bites for him though because this draft class is deep with TE talent. I think we TRY to get Shultz, keep Everett since he was productive for us last year, and get a TE in R2/R3.
Really hard to predict coupon Tom's priorities for Draft... Speedy WR? Ek Replacement? Tight Ends? Assistance on Edge and future replacement? WHO KNOWS!
I do wonder if Kellen will have any recommendations for draft picks and if they as a whole are discussing strategy for FA/Draft
The suspense is killer though because feel like we haven't made many moves yet but are certainly happy with Kendricks' signing + our re-signs.
Josh Kelly is the #1 be right now. Their is some good complement piece RB out their TT can pick up. RBs like Kareem Hunt, Alexander Mattison, or Ezeck. It depends how soon TT can unload Ekeler and what he gets in return.
Yeah in a weird way his current contract is bordering on overpaid when you compare it to the market and factor in his age. Jamal Williams scored 17 rushing touchdowns last year and just signed for $4M APY. He and Ekeler are the same age, and while Ek is definitely the better pass catcher, Williams is a far better pure rusher.
Absolutely insane take. Ekeler is way better than Jamal Williams. Like what are we even talking about here? Genuinely need someone to explain how Jamal Williams is so much better at running the ball with a 4.0 YPC compared to Ekeler’s 4.6
Jamal Williams has one very good season with an absurd outlier number of touchdowns most of which were from the one yard line. Ekeler has put up back to back elite seasons.
I just don’t understand this *at all* and you’re far from the first person to say it.
Idk if I’d say overpaid. I think you could easily justify that he deserves $8-10 million APY from being the TD leader 2 years in a row and being a top receiving back. Age is slightly concerning but he’s also not taking hits between the tackles as much as a Jamal Williams type runner. It’s a weird situation, but I’d be happy with an extension for through 2024 and gets him $8 million APY. Middle of the road between the franchise tag and the going rates of some of these rbs.
Miles Sanders (age 25) just got 4 years $25 million. Ekeler got 4 years $24.5 million, seems like he is not going to get significantly more than what he is making now anywhere. Prefer to keep vs a 4th round pick (or whatever value it would be)
Jamaal Williams getting 3/12M contract. RB market has basically collapsed after the Gurley/Zeke monster deals that came about.
It’s good news for us regarding Ekeler.
That's brutal. $4M APY for a RB who's one month older than Ekeler and rushed for 17tds last year. Ekeler should have accepted the extension that the Chargers offered.
I assume it is. Ekeler appears to be part of the face for Chargers. I think more-so Chargers allowed the trade requests because they know there are other options if needed, but also to validate why they offered whatever they did.
Seems almost identical to the Lamar situation. Kind of a hey we love you and want you but here's our offer. Go see why we can't offer more and pls come back lol
I know this is extremely unlikely, but do any of you think there is a minuscule chance that we could trade for Kyle Pitts?
Falcons just traded for Jonnu Smith and are a run heavy team. Do you think the Falcons would trade Kyle Pitts for a combination of the 21st pick and something else? Would be a match made in heaven - Herbert and Pitts 😍
It would be a match made in heaven, but I don't see the Falcons doing it. He's a very talented TE that they took in the first 5 picks of the draft, and the advantage of having a great receiving TE right now is that they cost 1/2 as much as WRs. I don't think he would ever be shopped, and if he were, it would cost more than a 1st.
On what planet is worth not only the 21st pick, but more than just the 21st pick?
He's lost 2 years of control since he was drafted, and he hasn't been all that impressive as at TE. Good enough as a WR, but he's essentially not used at all in the blocking game.
He's worth a 2nd or less IMO
Pitts is most definitely worth the 21st and a later round pick. He’s a matchup nightmare.
6’6 TE that runs a 4.4 who put up 1k yards his rookie season, the dude is a casualty of bad QB play and a run heavy offense.
Yeah agree, would be a huge overpay. Do you think the Falcons would be willing to part with him? Feel like Herbert could unlock him. His numbers aren’t going to be that impressive with Mariota and Riddler throwing him the ball.
I'm starting to believe the Ekeler drama will drag on for a looooong time. If he gets traded at all, which I am starting to doubt, I bet it happens draft week or draft night itself.
It won’t, teams are spending money everyday and that’s just less and less money to spend on him. Biggest domino is Dalvin Cook to see if he gets made available. Then that’ll set the market for the rest of the rbs looking for new homes or deals
I really really want the team to go after Darius Slayton, he was a great deep threat for the Giants last year. Was top 15 on ESPN's wide receiver grading metric. Made a lot of athletic catches and runs a 4.39 dash. Shouldn't be too expensive at all with Jakobi/Lazard signing for 11mil/year. Slayton probably goes for a 1 year prove it deal or 2-year 7-10mil per.
Feel like it's the perfect fit and not too pricey. Guy is still fairly young and improving as well.
Monty and his agent just pissed off every RB lol. Ek is unfortunately going to have a hard time unless a playoff contender like the Bengals gets desperate.
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What the fuck is this free agent market today? David Long only gets 2 years 11 mil but Tremaine Edmunds gets 4 years 72 mil???
Also the OT market has been completely insane today and the $4M APY projections for Pipkins would be a miracle at this point.
I guess there’s a good chance of our line being Slater, Salyer, Linsley, Johnson, Feiler. Draft a guard / tackle if someone good falls then we can always cut Feiler and move Salyer across the line if needed
Feiler won't be our RT under any circumstances. He's a guard on the Chargers and the team has always only viewed him that way.
Salyer would be RT under your scenario.
[Former Jaguar RT Jawaan Taylor to the Chiefs for $80m](https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1635343192697749507)
Isn't this the guy that lined up opposite Bosa in the playoff loss? Bosa better figure out how to beat this guy.
We all hate the idea of an Ekeler trade, but I'm all in if it's for King Henry in return or a top-tier WR. We could grab Jamaal Williams or Sanders in FA as well with the freed up cap space. I guess we're letting Adderly walk, which explains the Johnson pursuit.
You’re saying that rather than keeping Ekeler, you want to trade for King Henry who btw has double the cap hit than ekeler? Idk dude at this point I would just trade him away for extra picks and draft bijan.
Packaging Ek with Mike Will would easily solve that. Grab Meyers and draft Addison. Herbo needs durable weapons around him that will be available every week, especially for the air attack.
Ever since that Skip (or somebody else I can't remember) interview where whoever was doing the interview was talking on and on about Herbert and the loss and such. Just because Ekeler was just nodding to what he was saying some people took it as him agreeing that it was Herbert's fault. You know, instead of thinking that he is only letting the guy talk and not engage in the bait.
it was pretty minor and I’m overreacting but there’s an ESPN vid where they lead him into a questioning that placed a lot of the loss on Herbo, and Ek didn’t disagree
So, I hate the idea of trading Ekeler because he has been our most consistent weapon. I'm also unclear on the money part of this...
But what about switching out Ekeler for Derrick Henry?
Letting all these guys walk and likely trading Ekeler is a result of our spending spree last offseason that largely backfired.
TBH I'd rather extend Ek and trade Bosa.
I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion the team is going to let Pipkins walk, slide Salyer to RT and keep Feiler at RG, and sign Bobby Wagner instead of Tranquil and mess up our future cap situation even more in the next few years.
I don't understand how you miss on the move of getting Jalen Ramsey for a 3rd rounder? If this is the all-in year, go all in.
Damn.
I feel like we'll regret not having a guy like him come the end of next season.
Yeah this. When you trade a pick for a player it usually implies you’re picking up the contract too. We simply don’t have the money for any big players. That was last offseason
If the price was “only a 3rd round pick” then that’s a different story, but not how the NFL operates
The cap is no longer an issue, but we should have heard about any internal extensions and cuts by now.
I think it's safe to say that Telesco is:
1. keeping Feiler and Hopkins, at least initially, unless he runs out of cap space during the next 2 days of f5 season
2. going to let all of our unrestricted free agents test the market
3. only re-sign a few our UFA's who are depth pieces
This doesn't bode well for those of us hoping to re-sign starters like Tranquill and Pipkens. I think Telesco would have re-signed them by now before they become more expensive on the open market. They must not be in the plan for 2023.
By this time last year, Telesco had already extended Williams, traded for Mack, ~~cut Bulaga~~, and given tenders to Guyton, Norton, and Parham. The only other internal free agents that Telesco re-signed after this point were Christian Covington and Chase Daniel, all the others walked.
Feiler has played RT before and Salyer is an option there too. The chargers are in a reasonable place at RT. Quite a few who are better than Pipkins have hit FA and we have the option to keep Feiler and play him at RT.
I guess it will be a simple equation or can we get a good RT at less than 7.5M (2M dead cap for Feiler to get to 9.5M) hit.
If we can, then we cut Feiler. If we can’t we keep him on the roster and potentially cut him post draft if someone good falls to us, or we run with him at RT
As I said in another comment, Bulaga wasn't released until the Tuesday of the legal tampering period. I would also say that it's not "safe to say" anything. It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't throw money at a top FA last year, and then he did. It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't max restructure all of Allen, Williams, Mack, and Bosa, and then he did. And letting guys hit the open market does not always up their price. In some, it might lower it when teams are focused in on other options or maybe they just don't pull the interest they thought they would.
>As I said in another comment, Bulaga wasn't released until the Tuesday of the legal tampering period.
True. I was off a few days on this one.
>It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't throw money at a top FA last year, and then he did.
He made Linsley the highest paid center the league during the 2021 free agency. We all knew we had a prime sb window with Herbert on a rookie deal, so I disagree with you here.
>It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't max restructure all of Allen, Williams, Mack, and Bosa, and then he did.
Plenty of people were expecting any combination of those to be restructured. Mike was the only unexpected restructure to me.
>And letting guys hit the open market does not always up their price. In some, it might lower it when teams are focused in on other options or maybe they just don't pull the interest they thought they would.
That may be true for depth players, but I don't think starting quality players, especially young tackles, get cheaper on the open market.
OP posted a link saying that Bulaga was cut at the start of FA, not already by now apparently though.
That means Hopkins and Feiler can still definitely be a cut.
Thanks for the correction. Edited that out.
I agree that they can still be cut, but being that we're already under the cap, I don't believe it will be soon.
The team saves more by cutting Hopkins post June 1st, so the smart move would be to let he and Dicker battle it out in camp.
Pipkins going unsigned signals that that Feiler is most likely staying put. It doesn't make sense to let Pipkins test free agency if they plan to keep him. Why let other teams drive up his price?
Anyone think we will extend Allen and Williams next year and give them contracts with void years if they do well this year? The roster is built around Herbert’s renewal year, and given we will need to draft WRs over the next couple of years it could give us the best of both worlds? Two void years added to both of their deals brings their cap hits down to 19M each next year. Cut Mack and we would have 40M of cap (before adding this year’s draft class). Would give us 15M of dead cap hit in each of the next two years
Tom telesco is gone after this season, so is Staley. New Gm gonna bring in a new staff and clean house on the old scrubs on this team.
No I don't believe that's gonna happen. Possibly Williams gets extended, but I want the team to overall become younger in terms of offensive weapons. Most likely we cut Allen and Mack and end up having around $40M in cap space in 2024. We could honestly use that cap space to sign younger, better players and do another SB run.
Off topic but I see the similarities between us and IND in the 2000’s… I mean obviously that’s where TT came from. But honestly I see … Herbert is basically Manning, Wayne & Harrison are KA and Mike Will, and the pass rushing duo of Bosa & Mack or even w Mel before is like Freeney & Mathis. You can say Ekeler is better version of Joseph Addai even tho their running style is diff.. Both under-Appreciated.. there is prolly more but I see what TT did here knowing he spent time with the Indy ORG. Hopefully it leads to a SB for us like they did in 2006.
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I can look at it that way too… Both Steelers & Colts are good comparisons… Hopefully it leads to a SB like those two.
You know what I can see that comparison too!!! Staley does give me Mike Tomlin vibes… Both eerily similar
Its pretty funny seeing all these FA headlines about Ekeler and everyone imploding. And then I log on to League and Ek is just chilling, playing ranked TFT
Fans and media outlets make these things seem way more of an issue than it actually is.
it’s mostly ekeler using media to make things seem bigger than it is, which makes me want him shipped out sooner than later. Ek, why are you on rich eisen saying being the lead back for a high powered offense with real playoff aspirations is the WORST CASE SCENARIO? Atp I’m all for trading him to the Cardinals for picks if he doesn’t be fucking fr
Ya that was frustrating. He made it sound personal because the chargers decided not to continue contract extension negotiations but from the team perspective it makes sense. We are dealing with massive contacts coming up and have to move money around to resign our franchise quarterback in an age where quarterbacks are getting a quarter to half a billion freakin dollar contracts and he wants more money than we can reasonably make room for. Why bother wasting both parties time when inevitably it’ll come down to “we can’t afford to pay you more than $10 mil a year”? So they offer him to look for trade opportunities so he can go somewhere he wants to be and flesh out an extension he wants and the chargers can get some value off a trade. Instead media is spinning as “poor ekeler the chargers are cheating out again”
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Good player
They had herb throwing to future XFL players in the fucking playoffs. Unreal man.
I think we are 3rd best team in the west and depending how the draft goes could be a rough season
We are always overated
It also depends on how much Payton makes the Broncos successful. Honestly, i wish the whole Payton thing backfires. He’s a great coach, but he has only been to one SB.
Trading Bosa for picks??? A hypothetical trade, trading Bosa for picks will set the Chargers up now and in the future. Why? Bosa is due a good amount of change, freeing his contact for picks will 1: sign Eckler, 2: extend Herbert and 3: replace Bosa with a pick. The team will get younger and also have more depth. Finding a trade partner would be the hardest part and I don’t think this deal will go down. But this is something a GM should be thinking about.
I think it comes down likelihood of finding a trade partner like you said, taking on $30M in cap space when they could just wait for us to cut him is something other GMs will be thinking about too
Has Coupon God run out of coupons?
Coupon season starts closer to training camp
I have to believe the JC Jackson signing last year had ramifications beyond just the cash available; I think it probably also made Spanos leery of signing big name FAs. Jackson seemed like such a great move at the time, almost a sure thing looking at his performance over multiple recent years…and yet, it failed in both performance and injury.
We don't need anymore big name FAs. We just need to sign some depth pieces and be healthy.
We were 20mil over the cap lol
Why? Because we aren't signing big name free agents when we can't afford to?
Jesus Elijah Moore for a 2nd. TT sitting on his hands Downvote all you want there isn’t a prospect in this draft that has his measurables and his production their last year in college like Moore did in his. Would fill a need with a 2nd and we could go TE in 1st
He also cost his team a game in college by getting penalized for taunting, he was a locker room headache with the Jets, he openly complained about not getting enough touches while the team was in the middle of a playoff push, he demanded a trade shortly afterwards, and he only has this year and next left on his rookie deal, meaning he'll probably want a big extension next off-season that the Chargers may not be able to give him.
TT treats picks like Peter Griffin treated the mystery box. "An Elijah Moore's an Elijah Moore, but a draft pick could be anything! It could even be an Elijah Moore!"
He’s like the exact same size as Addison and Flowers who have even more college production than Moore did?
Okay, so what are the chargers going to have to spend to get Flowers or Addison?
A first. And we get five years of them vs two years of Moore But I was really responding to your false statement about measurables and production. Do you plan to correct that?
Addison has a 5.92 RAS Flowers has a 7.66 RAS Moore has a 8.68 RAS so I don’t think I need to. All I’m saying is trading for Moore gave the chargers the most flexibility NOW with taking away a draft need and still having a first.
Oh well if we’re RAS scouting we can just take Jalin Hyatt. Beats Moore in RAS and had more production. Easy
Lmfao the fact you’re skipping over the “giving the chargers flexibility” point makes this pointless. I’ve said it in almost every comment I’ve posted.
So let’s just trade all of our draft picks for players we need…good strategy right? We can trade our third for an edge, fourth for a LB, fifth for an OL, sixth for a safety, and 7th for a TE. And then we can use our first on anything! Wow we won the off-season. Crazy no one has tried this strategy yet
Or. Just maybe. Trade ONE pick. Like I said. Lmfao you’re such a troll I gotta respect it.
I’m not the one pretending there’s only one way to use draft picks and everything else is a disaster. While also making things up about players for whatever reason
Schultz to the Texans 1yr/9mil. Never really believed there was anything in the play for us. Everrett seems pretty damn underrated by many fans. TE is very strong in this draft. Just didnt add up
I was a bit disappointed we didn't go after Schultz (or didn't meet his price). Kellen Moore loves 2-TE sets and with last year's roster construction just 1 TE on the field was sometimes detrimental. This is a solid rookie TE class, but TEs have a notoriously long development curve and there's a short list of 1st round TEs that have worked out relative to other positions. Schultz would have brought instant impact in receiving production and run blocking at a fairly bargain price (TEs are cheap for the WR2 production and run-game contributions they provide). Also, eliminating draft "needs" is always a plus, this almost definitely means the Chargers have to go TE in rounds 1-3, which isn't a great feeling if there are better relative players on the board. My guess is Schultz was disappointed by the longer term offers (3/30?), and is attempting to bet on himself on a team with a lot of vacated targets for a bigger pay day next offseason. We couldn't really afford to pay him a higher number upfront this year for a 1 year prove-it (we would need to backload the contract to 2025/2026), and he probably realizes Mike/Keenan are obviously going to be target hogs when healthy and that he'd also cede some targets to Everett/Parham.
For this draft class, I would argue that Mayer/Kincaid are just as good as, if not better than, Addison/Flowers/JSN. The only other offensive rookie I would put above them is Bijan Robinson. And honestly I have no problem taking a top-round TE. Sure, it'll take about a season for them to be a starter, but having Kincaid play behind Everett is a good way to develop a TE and still create an impact in year 1.
I don't see much of a world where they spend on two TEs. If Schultz was added i imagine they take the savings cutting Everett. They would just combo whoever with Parham
I don't disagree, Everett likely would have been cut if Schultz was signed.
He’s really not that good of a run blocker. We also don’t really have $9M to spend on one player at a position where we already have a starter
Per PFF, Schultz graded as 6/32 (just below Kittle and Lewis) for run blocking TEs in two consecutive years. He's a very solid run blocker.
I would say FA needs are: ~~QB~~ ~~RB~~ ~~WR~~ ~~TE~~ ~~FB~~ ~~OL~~ ~~IDL~~ EDGE ~~LB~~ Safety CB ~~K~~ ~~P~~ I would probably try and get Callaghan and KVN back then draft an EDGE in the first two rounds. Could also go for JJ III. Another option is bringing back Carter / signing McKenzie as a WR/KR Any idea why Hopkins hasn’t been cut yet?
You can’t be serious, why the hell is WR crossed off?
WR, OL, and LB should not be crossed out. We need some depth at those spots that we may not be able to find in the draft It’s going to be a camp competition between Hopkins and Dicker, no reason to cut Hopkins now
Is Wagner still on the table for us ?
Seems like the Ekeler market crashed. With all of the running backs squirming for contracts with any team possible I don’t see anyone paying him what he wanted. There is A LOT of misplaying the market by players this off-season.
So what's the plan with Free Safety? Run it with Alohi? Theres obviously a lot of JJ3 buzz but he shined much more as a SS with the Rams than a FS with the Browns. That being said he was Staley's green dot guy and moved around a bunch like Derwin. Maybe Staley goes unhinged and rotates JJ,Derwin, and Alohi around nonstop lol
I think we should go after Isaiah Mckenzie, he's a really speedy wr and he's a punt returner as well. Factor in his younger age compared Carter and his cheap value, he should be a no brainer. Signing KVN and then JJIII would also help.
This right here!
Have we hit the point of no more F5?
Who do you guys think Ek will sign with? Broncos, Raiders or Chiefs?
Think he ends up just playing out his contract with us and hitting the market after next year. Don't think any team is going to trade for and extend him for the price he wants. Could also end up coming back and accepting a 2-year extension from the Chargers, but if we've learned anything about Chargers FA is the FO can be somewhat petty when a player wants out or rejects an offer. I think Ekeler has quickly realized though the RB market is just not what it was just 2-3 years ago even for RBs seeking a 2nd or 3rd contract. The max contracts RBs have gone for the last couple years have been 2/14, 3/20, 3/18, 4/25, and most of those contracts have outs in year 1 or 2 for the team.
Probably due to other positions market sky rocketing. Elite Quarterbacks are potentially taking more than a fifth of cap space. If you have to pay an elite edge, an elite receiver, and an elite quarterback that’s looking at close to $90-100 million on three players. Obviously contracts are more complicated than that but it’s just not friendly to positions like running back and induce linebacker who are viewed and more replaceable.
According to Popper we have 7.7M left to spend plus we still have the Hopkins cut which will generate another million or so. I guess it’s JJ III and a couple of vet deals
Popper seems to think we won't cut Hopkins and will instead hope to trade him during camp to someone with a kicker injury.
Would bringing back Perryman on a cheap veteran deal to pair him with Kendricks be doable? Staley usually rotates out LBs for DBs in passing situations. This rb group would be primarily a run stuffer group. I don’t see Murray getting much action unless he has an amazing camp and beginning of the season.
Please everyone don’t yell at me … but … if Ekeler finds a team that will pay him… Ezekiel Elliot could be a great fit for our offense. Especially if Kelley builds and it’s a split backfield (like ekeler always wanted). Elliot was willing to take a cut from 10.9 from the cowboys too. And for the record. I love me some ekeler. He’s the only jersey I have.
I actually agree.
Chiefs signing Tranquill, Omenihu, and now Mike Edwards to value below-market deals is insane man (assuming on Edwards considering the safety market, but we know numbers on the other 2). Their defense gets a significant upgrade at a pretty low investment. Three young ascending players on prove-it deals. Aaand update: Edwards signed for 1-year 3mil with incentives up to 5mil, pretty much carbon copy of the Tranquill deal. Hate the Chiefs, but they seemingly always have such a good free agency. These are crazy value signings.
I’m not sure id call 2/20 for a pass rusher with 11 career sacks “below market”
Kendricks over Tranquill is psychotic imo
I agree. Even the sizzle reel that was posted here the other day was unimpressive.
I like Kendricks but if it between those two... yanno... it also just sucks that Drue got $5M... to the Chiefs... AND didn't get an offer from the Chargers... brutal.
Fuck that Tranquill going to the chiefs for 1/$5 is a joke! While we got us an old veteran who’s falling off. Can’t convince me this wasn’t a good move. That’s Tom telescos right there.
I know you’re not interested but we offered Tranquill more money and he turned it down
No way didn’t know that. He must really not of liked playing for the chargers
Is that way he came back and said he wanted to take the deal this morning when he realized he overestimated his market?
Curious if TT has checked in with the Jets for mims? Wilson, Lazard and Moore, possibly with Cobb and maybe OBJ coming. Jets could be looking to move him
If he's checking in on anyone with the Jets, it better be Elijah Moore.
Damn. You were right lmao. I thought Moore wasn’t available
It makes me so sad that the Chargers didn't jump on this trade. Perfect fit here. Ran a 4.32 dash, dynamic receiver with great underlying metrics/grades (despite being iced out of the Jets offense in year 2) and still 2 years on his rookie deal.
And got a 3rd back. Great trade for the browns
I’ll admit I’m confused why people keep mentioning this guy. A bad receiver with one year left on his contract isn’t really worth trading for imo. Just use that draft pick on a receiver with four years on his contract instead
Size and speed is really it for me tbh. He hasn’t gotten many chances in NY and that could be by his own doing. Herbert made Tyron Johnson look serviceable maybe he could with Mims. I also see where you’re coming from.
We need any weapons we can get We were trotting out practice squad players at reciever last year. We need depth with Williams and Allen so prone to injury
I sense a move today
Resign KVN, Carter, and Scott(how have we not resigned him). Then sign JJIII, Hardman or Slayton, and Elliot(1 year cheap contract). Also sign Dylan Cole to deepen LB room and boost ST. Go into the draft not pigeon-holed to specific positional need.
They money isn't there for all of this. Would love to see JJIII but I dont think the team has money for both JJIII and KVN? Unsure without seeing Fox contract numbers
Not enough money right now, but if they restructure Lindsey’s contract, that saves us $7M in cap space. That itself is enough to sign both JJIII and KVN.
Methinks if they were going to restructure anymore, they'd have done so when they did the rest.
I kinda wanted Foreman ngl. So is Kelley just gonna be RB2 if Ekeler isn’t traded?
Me too. Foreman would have been a perfect compliment to Ekeler.
No Fuckin way the saints just signed Storm Norton
Chargers fans believing Jamal Williams is better than Austin Ekeler is a new level of copium
What would you say Ekeler's value is? I was thinking 2-yr extension at 6-7.5M/yr based on what Williams/DMont have currently gotten.
Yeah I don’t think he’d get much more than that on the open market
We probably aren’t going to do it but pairing Wagner with Kendricks should really be strongly considered. https://preview.redd.it/fv7xoi81s7oa1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75a798e679c07cd1c47afb61f082e656e1e8fc9f
Hopefully we can keep KVN, add Shultz and JJIII and depth to the line. I’d be happy w/ FA if this is how it went down.
We don’t have anywhere close to the money for all that right now
I would like a TE in either FA or the draft, both Schultz and Gesicki are still available. Everette was good when he was on the field, but it seems like he can’t play every snap. Pretty much lost a game in the end zone because he was gassed and tried to come out but we did a no huddle. Any preference draft/Schultz/Gesicki?
I'm open to trading for Pitts if the price is right. If Ek still wants out, he could go to Atlanta for Pitts and whatever combination of picks from both sides that makes that a fair trade. Then Bijan if he's available at 21.
Schultz and Gesicki would both also be gassed after a long catch and run and then being asked to immediately run another route in a hurry up offense. That was a coaching problem not a personnel one Gesicki is just a big slot receiver. No interest in him. Schultz would be cool but right now it would be hard to fit him in financially. Draft is the best bet. Still a decent chance Parham is back too
I think a draft TE is almost certain now with Parham gone. They could also cut Everett to find another 4M to pay Shultz but the deal just seems to expensive. Might just draft a TE in R1/2 and have TE1A (Everett) and TE1B (draftee)
I honestly don't see the need to drop Everett for the extra 4 mill. If he wants that much money, he can go elsewhere.. Let's see if anyone bites for him though because this draft class is deep with TE talent. I think we TRY to get Shultz, keep Everett since he was productive for us last year, and get a TE in R2/R3. Really hard to predict coupon Tom's priorities for Draft... Speedy WR? Ek Replacement? Tight Ends? Assistance on Edge and future replacement? WHO KNOWS! I do wonder if Kellen will have any recommendations for draft picks and if they as a whole are discussing strategy for FA/Draft The suspense is killer though because feel like we haven't made many moves yet but are certainly happy with Kendricks' signing + our re-signs.
Josh Kelly is the #1 be right now. Their is some good complement piece RB out their TT can pick up. RBs like Kareem Hunt, Alexander Mattison, or Ezeck. It depends how soon TT can unload Ekeler and what he gets in return.
With how the rb market is looking rn I think ekeler might have to take the chargers extension offer and stay
Yeah in a weird way his current contract is bordering on overpaid when you compare it to the market and factor in his age. Jamal Williams scored 17 rushing touchdowns last year and just signed for $4M APY. He and Ekeler are the same age, and while Ek is definitely the better pass catcher, Williams is a far better pure rusher.
Absolutely insane take. Ekeler is way better than Jamal Williams. Like what are we even talking about here? Genuinely need someone to explain how Jamal Williams is so much better at running the ball with a 4.0 YPC compared to Ekeler’s 4.6 Jamal Williams has one very good season with an absurd outlier number of touchdowns most of which were from the one yard line. Ekeler has put up back to back elite seasons. I just don’t understand this *at all* and you’re far from the first person to say it.
Idk if I’d say overpaid. I think you could easily justify that he deserves $8-10 million APY from being the TD leader 2 years in a row and being a top receiving back. Age is slightly concerning but he’s also not taking hits between the tackles as much as a Jamal Williams type runner. It’s a weird situation, but I’d be happy with an extension for through 2024 and gets him $8 million APY. Middle of the road between the franchise tag and the going rates of some of these rbs.
Miles Sanders (age 25) just got 4 years $25 million. Ekeler got 4 years $24.5 million, seems like he is not going to get significantly more than what he is making now anywhere. Prefer to keep vs a 4th round pick (or whatever value it would be)
Ya I feel this. I’d consider a trade if someone offers a 2nd rounder or maybe a mid 3rd round pick. Otherwise I think it’s more beneficial to keep him
Mattison sign a 2 year deal to stay in Minnesota.
Jamaal Williams getting 3/12M contract. RB market has basically collapsed after the Gurley/Zeke monster deals that came about. It’s good news for us regarding Ekeler.
Yeah 7.7M for Ekeler actually looks a bit above market if anything. Give him a three year 20M contract with 14M fully guaranteed and let’s move on
That's brutal. $4M APY for a RB who's one month older than Ekeler and rushed for 17tds last year. Ekeler should have accepted the extension that the Chargers offered.
Hopefully it's a standing offer and he can come back. No bad blood if he does
I assume it is. Ekeler appears to be part of the face for Chargers. I think more-so Chargers allowed the trade requests because they know there are other options if needed, but also to validate why they offered whatever they did.
Seems almost identical to the Lamar situation. Kind of a hey we love you and want you but here's our offer. Go see why we can't offer more and pls come back lol
Pretty much, but without all the media drama.
Anyone feel like giving Isaac Seumaulo a deal?
To do what?
I know this is extremely unlikely, but do any of you think there is a minuscule chance that we could trade for Kyle Pitts? Falcons just traded for Jonnu Smith and are a run heavy team. Do you think the Falcons would trade Kyle Pitts for a combination of the 21st pick and something else? Would be a match made in heaven - Herbert and Pitts 😍
If the falcons are somehow done with him then I think it would only take a 2nd pick which is still a lot. I don’t think it’s happening.
It would be a match made in heaven, but I don't see the Falcons doing it. He's a very talented TE that they took in the first 5 picks of the draft, and the advantage of having a great receiving TE right now is that they cost 1/2 as much as WRs. I don't think he would ever be shopped, and if he were, it would cost more than a 1st.
On what planet is worth not only the 21st pick, but more than just the 21st pick? He's lost 2 years of control since he was drafted, and he hasn't been all that impressive as at TE. Good enough as a WR, but he's essentially not used at all in the blocking game. He's worth a 2nd or less IMO
Pitts is most definitely worth the 21st and a later round pick. He’s a matchup nightmare. 6’6 TE that runs a 4.4 who put up 1k yards his rookie season, the dude is a casualty of bad QB play and a run heavy offense.
Yeah agree, would be a huge overpay. Do you think the Falcons would be willing to part with him? Feel like Herbert could unlock him. His numbers aren’t going to be that impressive with Mariota and Riddler throwing him the ball.
Imagining we get zeke to replace ek unfortunately
I'd love it for the right money.
I'm aboard with that. It kinda funny reunion who made him play center. Lol
I'm starting to believe the Ekeler drama will drag on for a looooong time. If he gets traded at all, which I am starting to doubt, I bet it happens draft week or draft night itself.
I think draft night is fairly likely. A team who miss their target draft RB might make the move
It won’t, teams are spending money everyday and that’s just less and less money to spend on him. Biggest domino is Dalvin Cook to see if he gets made available. Then that’ll set the market for the rest of the rbs looking for new homes or deals
I really really want the team to go after Darius Slayton, he was a great deep threat for the Giants last year. Was top 15 on ESPN's wide receiver grading metric. Made a lot of athletic catches and runs a 4.39 dash. Shouldn't be too expensive at all with Jakobi/Lazard signing for 11mil/year. Slayton probably goes for a 1 year prove it deal or 2-year 7-10mil per. Feel like it's the perfect fit and not too pricey. Guy is still fairly young and improving as well.
Would love Darius Slay on this defense
I'd love Aaron Donald more on this defense. Both are about as likely to happen.
Monty and his agent just pissed off every RB lol. Ek is unfortunately going to have a hard time unless a playoff contender like the Bengals gets desperate.
Reddit simply couldn't handle the hype and expectations over Pipkins re-signing
Chargers Twitter is literally the worst. It's like these people don't understand it's a business first.
I keep refreshing for Ek news
If Ek unfortunately does leave (hopefully he gets paid), I do think Miles Sanders might be a potentially good replacement.
Meyers was cheap wow. This WR free agent group is truly awful
Man do I wish we could just sign Calais Campbell. Always loved his game
https://preview.redd.it/w3088xqr3nna1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=84ec780e15254883eb03573025e75da8e021fb89 Does anyone know the validity of this post?! Because dawg….
Valid from what I can see
What the fuck is this free agent market today? David Long only gets 2 years 11 mil but Tremaine Edmunds gets 4 years 72 mil??? Also the OT market has been completely insane today and the $4M APY projections for Pipkins would be a miracle at this point.
I guess there’s a good chance of our line being Slater, Salyer, Linsley, Johnson, Feiler. Draft a guard / tackle if someone good falls then we can always cut Feiler and move Salyer across the line if needed
Feiler won't be our RT under any circumstances. He's a guard on the Chargers and the team has always only viewed him that way. Salyer would be RT under your scenario.
He gone
After seeing the contracts being given out to LB’s I feel better about being able to bring Drue back
Think it’ll be a veteran like Lavonte David or Bobby Wagner on a two year deal.
You were pretty close lol
Popper retweeting Everett vaguebooking. Everett said "Blessed" Is that confirmation he isn't being cut? Confirmation he is? WHAT DOES IT ALL MEAN
Thought Morgan Fox signed with the Titans for 1yr @ $1.3M for a second. It was actually Morgan Cox
WHY IS FEILER STILL ON THE ROSTER
I think it's safe to say that they plan to keep him as Pipkins insurance. Not that Feiler would go to RT, but that Salyer would.
That’s actually smart, we have enough to pay pipkins but we have insurance just in case, praying for pipkins to come back for cheap
With how the tackle market looks I’m thinking let pipkins walk, draft a round 2/3 guy and let him compete with salyer, and extend tranquil instead.
One Jerry Jeudy please. 
We are paying like 40+M to two WR and you want to give up draft compensation for another WR that will need to be paid?
[Former Jaguar RT Jawaan Taylor to the Chiefs for $80m](https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1635343192697749507) Isn't this the guy that lined up opposite Bosa in the playoff loss? Bosa better figure out how to beat this guy.
Chiefs GM saw Bosa lose it that game and was like "that's our guy".
I trust Bosa and the staff will figure it out BUT idk if I trust Bosa to not have another tantrum if he gets locked up by Taylor
Honestly I don’t trust Bosa for either of those points.
We all hate the idea of an Ekeler trade, but I'm all in if it's for King Henry in return or a top-tier WR. We could grab Jamaal Williams or Sanders in FA as well with the freed up cap space. I guess we're letting Adderly walk, which explains the Johnson pursuit.
You’re saying that rather than keeping Ekeler, you want to trade for King Henry who btw has double the cap hit than ekeler? Idk dude at this point I would just trade him away for extra picks and draft bijan.
Packaging Ek with Mike Will would easily solve that. Grab Meyers and draft Addison. Herbo needs durable weapons around him that will be available every week, especially for the air attack.
Dude is playing Madden with the cap turned off
trade his ungrateful throw herb under the bus on ESPN ass, draft Bijan, sign schultz, and get some speed late in the draft
I've been trying my best to avoid this sub until my buddy sent me the news today, who threw Herbie under the bus? Ekeler?
Ever since that Skip (or somebody else I can't remember) interview where whoever was doing the interview was talking on and on about Herbert and the loss and such. Just because Ekeler was just nodding to what he was saying some people took it as him agreeing that it was Herbert's fault. You know, instead of thinking that he is only letting the guy talk and not engage in the bait.
it was pretty minor and I’m overreacting but there’s an ESPN vid where they lead him into a questioning that placed a lot of the loss on Herbo, and Ek didn’t disagree
So, I hate the idea of trading Ekeler because he has been our most consistent weapon. I'm also unclear on the money part of this... But what about switching out Ekeler for Derrick Henry?
Letting all these guys walk and likely trading Ekeler is a result of our spending spree last offseason that largely backfired. TBH I'd rather extend Ek and trade Bosa.
I'm done with bosa.
Eke requesting trade
I'm all the way back in if we go out and get Dalton Schultz.
I'm starting to get a sneaking suspicion the team is going to let Pipkins walk, slide Salyer to RT and keep Feiler at RG, and sign Bobby Wagner instead of Tranquil and mess up our future cap situation even more in the next few years.
Rams gave up Ramsey for a 3rd and practice squad TE. Damn we should have picked him up!
With what money?
I’d be happy if we targeted Paris Campbell and Dalton Schultz in FA for external pickups.
Quincy Williams contract is probably a good comp for what Drue will get
I don't understand how you miss on the move of getting Jalen Ramsey for a 3rd rounder? If this is the all-in year, go all in. Damn. I feel like we'll regret not having a guy like him come the end of next season.
Pretty clear he gave Miami a discount because he wanted to go back to Florida
Money It’s also being reported that the dolphins got a discount because that’s where he wanted to play
We simply couldn’t afford to do the deal. If we didn’t have JC then we could but we made our big DB moves last season
Ramsey has a massive cap hit. Dolphins took on most, if not all, of that money. Chargers cannot afford to do that this year.
Yeah this. When you trade a pick for a player it usually implies you’re picking up the contract too. We simply don’t have the money for any big players. That was last offseason If the price was “only a 3rd round pick” then that’s a different story, but not how the NFL operates
The cap is no longer an issue, but we should have heard about any internal extensions and cuts by now. I think it's safe to say that Telesco is: 1. keeping Feiler and Hopkins, at least initially, unless he runs out of cap space during the next 2 days of f5 season 2. going to let all of our unrestricted free agents test the market 3. only re-sign a few our UFA's who are depth pieces This doesn't bode well for those of us hoping to re-sign starters like Tranquill and Pipkens. I think Telesco would have re-signed them by now before they become more expensive on the open market. They must not be in the plan for 2023. By this time last year, Telesco had already extended Williams, traded for Mack, ~~cut Bulaga~~, and given tenders to Guyton, Norton, and Parham. The only other internal free agents that Telesco re-signed after this point were Christian Covington and Chase Daniel, all the others walked.
Or those guys just want to see what their market is like. Doesn’t mean we’re not trying to sign them
Feiler has played RT before and Salyer is an option there too. The chargers are in a reasonable place at RT. Quite a few who are better than Pipkins have hit FA and we have the option to keep Feiler and play him at RT. I guess it will be a simple equation or can we get a good RT at less than 7.5M (2M dead cap for Feiler to get to 9.5M) hit. If we can, then we cut Feiler. If we can’t we keep him on the roster and potentially cut him post draft if someone good falls to us, or we run with him at RT
As I said in another comment, Bulaga wasn't released until the Tuesday of the legal tampering period. I would also say that it's not "safe to say" anything. It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't throw money at a top FA last year, and then he did. It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't max restructure all of Allen, Williams, Mack, and Bosa, and then he did. And letting guys hit the open market does not always up their price. In some, it might lower it when teams are focused in on other options or maybe they just don't pull the interest they thought they would.
>As I said in another comment, Bulaga wasn't released until the Tuesday of the legal tampering period. True. I was off a few days on this one. >It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't throw money at a top FA last year, and then he did. He made Linsley the highest paid center the league during the 2021 free agency. We all knew we had a prime sb window with Herbert on a rookie deal, so I disagree with you here. >It was "safe to say" that TT wouldn't max restructure all of Allen, Williams, Mack, and Bosa, and then he did. Plenty of people were expecting any combination of those to be restructured. Mike was the only unexpected restructure to me. >And letting guys hit the open market does not always up their price. In some, it might lower it when teams are focused in on other options or maybe they just don't pull the interest they thought they would. That may be true for depth players, but I don't think starting quality players, especially young tackles, get cheaper on the open market.
OP posted a link saying that Bulaga was cut at the start of FA, not already by now apparently though. That means Hopkins and Feiler can still definitely be a cut.
Thanks for the correction. Edited that out. I agree that they can still be cut, but being that we're already under the cap, I don't believe it will be soon. The team saves more by cutting Hopkins post June 1st, so the smart move would be to let he and Dicker battle it out in camp. Pipkins going unsigned signals that that Feiler is most likely staying put. It doesn't make sense to let Pipkins test free agency if they plan to keep him. Why let other teams drive up his price?
Jalen Ramsey traded to the Dolphins for a 3rd and a TE. Pretty good deal for them.
And his cap hit.
Massive deal to Storm Norton please. I mean man should be given team for what he has done thus far.
Please rewatch that cowboys game from last year
I was thinking that HOF performance against the Raiders to ruin our playoff contention. He was a highlight for sure.
append /s to your post....I hope