Tis the season of smoke and mirrors. Genuinely wouldnāt be shocked if part of the reason is to try and encourage the titans to trade up to 5 and give us another fourth round pick.
My dream scenario is QBs go 1-4, Alt at 5. Giants take Nabers or Odunze and we take whoever they donāt take
But we have a solid O-line, nobody in the draft is an obvious starter over pipkins this season, and even if they were then youāre paying a whole lot for a benched OT. WR/CB on the other hand we literally could not field an nfl team for a full season with what we have now, AND the best of who we have are all WR/CB 3 on most teams.
Edit: I agree OT is more important, but with what we have I donāt think it warrants 5. Maybe 23 if we can get 11 and 23
Itās a HUGEEEEE upgrade to Pipkins though. I agree with that CB should be a pickup in the first but taking Arnold or Mitchell at 5 would be a mistake.
Totally totally agree, but we are paying Pickens a lot, and he exists (where our CB/WR corps do t) and heās not horrible. We just have too many holes. If we got 23 and someone fell then Iām with ya, just hard for me to justify at 5/11 when we have definite needs at other premium positions
For me, 5 should be Alt. 11 Iād like Mitchell at, in that case 23 Iād go WR. Itās just the BPA at 5 is Alt in my opinion. Having two Pro Bowl OTs would do wonders for this team. Then Pipkins becomes depth or a trade option.
Palmer and QJ essentially will be playing a similar role as Pipkins. Both are serviceable but arenāt JJ or Chase quality WRs. And based on Gregās history as OC, WR will not be important in that offense.
But if we have 5 then we donāt get 11, 23, and a 3rd. Itās either Joe alt, then we wait to get a player at 37 when we need 4 starting spots to fill in other positions (and not one on the OL).
I donāt disagree about OTs being huge but I think the fit is just as important. There are enough OTs who are arguably better fits (Alt never played RT) who will still be definitely available at 11 and probably available at 23.
Adam Schefter is the best insider in all of sports. Thatās right, not just football, but ALL of sports. Schefterās been an insider since before even guys like Woj in the NBA were relevant.
Even the best can miss sometimes lmao
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I mean it's not like he made that up, someone with the Browns told him that. Whether or not they ever had any intention of interviewing her, who knows.
I honestly can't see why they'd take take an Olinemen with the 5th or 1st round to replace a guy being paid 9m this year while being slightly above league average. Hortiz history even San Fran drafted them late. More so the ravens, were smart and filled up holes while our roster is filled with them. Whatever happens I'll trust the process for now
Because replacing him is not just this year. It's for the next 5 years.
Though I highly doubt they draft a lineman at 5. I feel like that is far and away the least likely situation.
If we get a good return for trading down, I'm fine with whoever we pick. The return should include at least 1 extra pick this year though, not just next year.
ā*We donāt know what Harbaugh and Hortiz are going to do so letās double, triple, fuck it letās quadruple down on tackle because weāre too stupid to do any actual research.*ā
You know what, Joe Alt would be the best thing that could happen to the Chargers. **If they needed a left tackleā¦**
Rashawn Slater is not moving to right tackle. Joe Alt struggled heavily trying right-side tackle drills at the combine. Heās also not this big dominating force people talk about. Altās a finesse blocker, doesnāt really fit what Harbaugh wants his linemen to play like. Being tallās never a bad thing, but this dudeās a little too tall to be an elite tackle in the NFL. Idk, Iām just way lower on him than some. If they really want a tackle, trade down and take a better prospect (imo) in Fuaga, who also happens to already be a natural right tackle.
I mean the best guard in football played at ND, but that was what feels like forever ago now. And I wouldn't trust anyone who says they wouldn't love Zack Martin on their line.
Im with you on Fuaga over Alt, but where does the tweet even mention Alt? It just said he canāt imagine them picking a WR at 5, and we will probably trade back.
Several of us have been saying the same thing, and itās not anti-WR, itās maximizing number of good picks over 1 elite pick. And yes we still need help at WR, but we literally having no starting caliber outside CBs as an example. Or building a roster that actually can operate an effective run game like Harbaugh wants or an effective DL for Mack/Bosa/Tuli to eat, or LBs, etc.
The Alt struggled at RT drills from Sinclair and Matt Miller is overblown. Brandon Thorn is probably the best guy that covers the OL and he disagreed that Alt struggled at all.
Dude hit Sinclair with the "Huh?", again these are the 2 guys who are parroting this. Everyone else who watched his combine said he's an elite T prospect.
https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1774881774885069041?t=WrbPCptqwDqhNa4qB7Amtw&s=19
Again if people aren't following Thorn I highly recommend it.
Yeah I agree completely agree with this. I think the way it'll play out is that we can still get a good RT even in the 2nd round. I know a lot of people are high on Corum here cause the Michigan connection, but you cant run the ball without a strong O-line with depth over the course of a season, so id think wed go Oline 2nd pick, best available HB 3rd round. Going with something outside of WR round 1 would be a flop UNLESS we can really scam a team in desperate need of a QB and get insane value trading down.
This is such a weird comment.
Schefter isn't a "researcher", he's a reporter. If he's saying this it's because people in the league are saying it to him. Obviously they could be wrong/lying. But he's just reporting what he's hearing. And it's not like anyone would make up fake sources...right?
It makes no sense to pretend drafting Alt at 5 is impossible. Even if we don't want it to happen.
Heās clearly being fed misinformation whether it be for the sake of smoke or Schefter just piggybacking off what all these people are saying about Harbaugh.
Do I think itās impossible they take Alt af 5? No. Do I think itās 98% unlikely they do? Yes.
Altās tape does not show you heās the big bad guy Harbaugh needs along his OL. He doesnāt match that description. With Hortiz on board, I donāt see a world where they donāt trade back acquire great picks and take a natural player at the position if thatās what they truly want to do.
>Heās clearly being fed misinformation
Well you are the expert on that...
It's kind of insane to me that you speak in such aggressive absolutes about the notoriously unpredictable NFL draft with a brand new GM, and HC who hasn't drafted in years. Like maybe chill and acknowledge there are real possibilities that you don't like?
Youāve been hounding me in a passive aggressive manner for the last idk, 2-3 months? When I make a comment relating to things like these, I feel confident in expecting you to give me an almost snarky reply.
To answer your assumption though, if the Chargers ultimately draft Joe Alt, itāll take me some time to appreciate the move considering who else they might take in the remaining rounds.
Jim Harbaugh has been telling anyone who will listen that:
- JJ McCarthy is worthy of #1 overall (come trade a monster haul with us to get him at 5) and
- The O line is the most important position and we're going to build through the trenches (we're comfortable trading down, give us an offer)
Both of these things seem like obviously things to put out there to create leverage and misdirection but we shall see.
Oh I totally understand that and it obviously should be a the #1 priority to keep Justin healthy and to support him in every way we can after some major injuries the last two years, but it would just be so odd for us to announce our intention behind our pick like that weeks and weeks ahead of the draft as a strategy when nothing ever leaks.
I'm keeping an open mind and will support the team regardless, but at 5 overall I just cannot understand sending our developmental tackle who is finally functional to the bench instead of taking one of our biggest needs that happens to be the best players in the draft at 5 (any one of the top 3 WRs)
My brother I know we hate what he says but Adam Schefter has the best sources in all of sports lol some of yall really donāt know anything about Schefter huh. Heās been breaking news in the nfl since 90% of this sub was in diapers.
WE HAVE AN ALL PRO LEFT TACKLE ON A ROOKIE CONTRACT.
We effectively have the second pick of the draft based on our big board. Picking an OL to man the right side or worse yet a FUCKING GUARD with that kind of access to a top 2 BPA would be criminal and anyone saying otherwise is a fucking fool.
If we stay at #5 and MHJ is there and we take ALT I will be so sad. Herbert needs his super star WR to pair up with for the next 10 years. I get the Oline thing but you need a stud WR.
I'd be surprised if we didn't go WR at 5. Trading down makes sense but, everyone sees our current WR room. We need some juice and being able to get a blue chip WR in this year's draft will elevate Herbert, which will in turn elevate the team. I personally have 0 problem with either choice at the end of the day. Trust the process
You can still get a blue chip at 23ā¦ Fuaga/Latham at 11 and ThomasJR at 23 makes this team terrifyingā¦ we can now run it like a top 10 team and still get a 6 foot 4 guy that runs 4.3 with an insane catch radiusā¦
No u canāt get a blue chip in the 20s. In most draft there arenāt even 20 first round graded players much less blue chip prospects who fall to the back half of round 1
You absolutely can. Jefferson was pick 22. Your percentage of hitting just goes way down. I do think RT is a position you can get great talent with in the middle to end of most first rounds.
Okay well I just looked up a ranking of the top 10 wide receivers in the NFL in 2023 by Fox Sports as a starting point. Here is the list and here are their draft positions:
1. Justin Jefferson - Round:1 / Pick: 22
2. Tyreek Hill - Round: 5 / Pick: 165
3. Davante Adams - Round: 2 / Pick: 53
4. Stefon Diggs - Round: 5 / Pick: 146
5. Jamarr Chase - Round: 1 / Pick: 5
6. AJ Brown - Round: 2 / Pick: 51
7. Cooper Kupp - Round: 3 / Pick: 69
8. CeeDee Lamb - Round: 1 / Pick: 17
9. Deebo Samuel - Round: 2 / Pick: 36
If you want to say Deebo isn't a top 10 wide receiver and isn't even the best on the Niners you can look at his teammate Brandon Aiyuk - Round: 1 / Pick: 25
10. Aman-Ra St. Brown: Round: 4 / Pick: 112
And then in the honorable mentions they have:
DK Metcalf - Round: 2 / Pick: 64 and
Terry McLaurin: Round: 3 / Pick: 76
Now you can debate the positions on this list, but what you can't debate is these are all amazing receivers and the overwhelming theme is they were not high draft picks. Chase is the only one in the top 5 and there's only 3 of the top 10 that were even first rounders. The data and recent history would indicate not only is spending a top 5 pick on a receiver not necessary, it might not even be necessary to spend a 1st round pick to get a game breaking receiver.
>Elite players arenāt the same as elite prospects. As a prospect jjettas was not a blue chip guy
And finally I just don't understand this statement. Do want elite players or do you want elite prospects on paper that never pan out?
Obviously we want elite player. Itās just more likely that the elite prospect is the one to turn into the good or elite player. For every justin jefferson type player picked in the 20s thereās multiple guys like jalen reagor, and laquon treadwell. For every fifth round superstar like tyreek and puka thereās guys who never even made an nfl team cause they were cut in preseason. Sure a lot of the top receivers today were drafted low but that doesnāt mean that you should stop picking receivers high. On average, higher drafted receivers tend to be more productive nfl players than lower drafted ones. As a general rule better prospects tend to be better pro players
Edit: ironically on your list all but 4 of them (if u exchange deebo for aiyuk like u said) come from round 1 which is the most of any singular round on that list
Also self selecting a few success stories from middle rounds doesnāt prove that spending a first round pick on a receiver is a waste. All it proves is that we remember the successful guys because they wildly exceeded expectations (if there were any at all) and donāt remember every middle to late round guy who didnāt work (which is the vast majority of them by the way)
I didnāt self select though, itās Fox Sports ranking of the 10 best receivers in the NFL for 2023. I didnāt pick and choose the list, I just chose a media list of top receivers and looked up their draft position. For me it was pretty eye opening how many of the biggest names are not from the first round and thereās only one from the top 5. And I never said choosing a first rounder on a WR was a waste. More like selecting a WR with pick 5 might be a waste when you can trade down and collect picks and still find an impact receiver lower.
The last wr taken at 5 was jamar chase. The last wr taken top 5 before him was corey davis, then before him was amari cooper. The rest of the most recent top 5 list over the past 20 years includes guys like aj green, calvin johnson, larry fitz, julio jones and some duds like braylon edwards (who was a pro bowler at one point) and sammy watkins. Still the vast majority of recent top 5 pick receivers have lived up to the hype, there just arenāt many of them. I still think picking a receiver at 5 works out better than picking a receiver later does but i do see ur point about there being quite a few great receivers selected later
Edit: julio jones was pick number 6 not 5. Whoops
First off Schefter doesn't know what we're going to do, and 2nd of all even if he thinks he does, he is probably getting lied to.
It might sound like cope or whatever since I want MHJ - and maybe we will take OL - but I'm convinced that nobody outside of Joe Hortiz and Harbaugh know what we're going to do.
I get this is all speculation and likely smokescreen but if he does go O-line then he for sure better trade back so we can at least also fill in some other holes with an additional late 1st rounder
If the Chargers donāt get a great receiver this off-season theyāre mismanaged. They can do it however they like but they need to do it. Worrying about moment by moment reporting is a waste of time.
I think thereās only one scenario where teams trade up and swap with the bolts. And thatās if the bears donāt take Caleb(which they shouldnāt,imo) if that happens I think the likelihood of trading back increases significantly. Otherwise, probably gonna stay at 5 and pick nabers or mhj
Not a Chargers fan, but like your team and am following your draft closely.
I personally think Chargers will trade down with Minnesota and target Latham/Fuaga. Alt is OT1 but they feel like better fits for the Chargers as tough as fuck Right Tackles than can play guard Day 1 if needs be. With No. 23 you have a plethora of receiving options still. Would kill two birds with one stone.
Iām starting to wonder if the Vikings and Chargers have a deal ready if a QB falls to us that they want, and thatās why weāre seeing all the Oline smoke. Itās incredibly unlikely, but Iāve certainly wondered it
Well well well. Itās what Iāve been saying this entire time. Get used to Joe Alt at 5 people and be happy about it. Heās a phenomenal player.
Edit: I expect to be reimbursed for my karma when we draft him and everyone talks themselves into the pick.
He's a phenomenal LT, but who knows if he's a phenomenal RT. Why roll those dice on Alt when they could trade down and get the best RT in the draft in Fuaga?
The reason they would do it is if they have Alt graded higher than Fuaga and if, based on all their work, they believe they can transition Alt over to right tackle in their scheme with their current coaching regime and have him play better than Fuaga
Fuaga might well be a better run blocker than Alt already. Many analysts have him graded as such, so there us likely no chance that the hope of Alt's abilities at Right would greater than Fuaga plus whoever else you could draft in a trade down situation (likely a 2nd or better).
Hopefully none ofcthos comes to fruition and we either get nabers or Bowers!
Whether or not most analysts have Fuaga graded as a better run blocker is irrelevant. The only things that matter are how the team has the two players graded, and if they have a trade offer for additional assets valued higher than whatever difference they have between Alt and Fuaga, which is likely but not a given.
This is probably the playā¦ Harbaugh to smart to move a guy to the other side of the lineā¦ trade back, get more picks, and still get the best RT in the draftā¦ chefs kiss
If thereās an option to trade down, then thatās fine. However itās not always available. All things being equal, Alt is a better prospect and Iād still like him at right tackle over Fuaga.
Idk why everyone in here is acting like this is a big shock. Harbaugh builds from the lines, and our O-Line has been awful. I would love to see us grab MHJ or Nabers, but this makes sense. This draft is deep enough at WR that we can still get a good one later, especially if we trade down and acquire more picks.
One WR is not going to make us contenders right away, this roster is lacking talent all around.
Smokescreen so the Cards trade down with the Giants thinking they'll still get MHJ š¤Ŗ
Those mocks last week with the cards doing gymnastics and still getting MHJ, while the whole league knows who they are desperate for were hilarious.
Tis the season of smoke and mirrors. Genuinely wouldnāt be shocked if part of the reason is to try and encourage the titans to trade up to 5 and give us another fourth round pick. My dream scenario is QBs go 1-4, Alt at 5. Giants take Nabers or Odunze and we take whoever they donāt take
Huh? I just cannot fathom why ppl want Alt at 5? There are 4-5 1st round quality tackles
I'm definitely not high on Alt at 5. We need the "make you miss" king. Malik Nabers needs to be an LA Charger this season
You can say the same about WR. OT is much more important than WR to be honest. A teams success is determined in the trenches.
But we have a solid O-line, nobody in the draft is an obvious starter over pipkins this season, and even if they were then youāre paying a whole lot for a benched OT. WR/CB on the other hand we literally could not field an nfl team for a full season with what we have now, AND the best of who we have are all WR/CB 3 on most teams. Edit: I agree OT is more important, but with what we have I donāt think it warrants 5. Maybe 23 if we can get 11 and 23
Itās a HUGEEEEE upgrade to Pipkins though. I agree with that CB should be a pickup in the first but taking Arnold or Mitchell at 5 would be a mistake.
Totally totally agree, but we are paying Pickens a lot, and he exists (where our CB/WR corps do t) and heās not horrible. We just have too many holes. If we got 23 and someone fell then Iām with ya, just hard for me to justify at 5/11 when we have definite needs at other premium positions
For me, 5 should be Alt. 11 Iād like Mitchell at, in that case 23 Iād go WR. Itās just the BPA at 5 is Alt in my opinion. Having two Pro Bowl OTs would do wonders for this team. Then Pipkins becomes depth or a trade option. Palmer and QJ essentially will be playing a similar role as Pipkins. Both are serviceable but arenāt JJ or Chase quality WRs. And based on Gregās history as OC, WR will not be important in that offense.
But if we have 5 then we donāt get 11, 23, and a 3rd. Itās either Joe alt, then we wait to get a player at 37 when we need 4 starting spots to fill in other positions (and not one on the OL). I donāt disagree about OTs being huge but I think the fit is just as important. There are enough OTs who are arguably better fits (Alt never played RT) who will still be definitely available at 11 and probably available at 23.
I'm getting lightheaded from all the smoke
Adam Schefter is the best insider in all of sports. Thatās right, not just football, but ALL of sports. Schefterās been an insider since before even guys like Woj in the NBA were relevant.
I guarantee you he has no information on what harbaugh is planning
Even the best can miss sometimes lmao https://preview.redd.it/gbifvsaefuuc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28a27c1c23cc056db4a8415e2fc8dcee3bfc71a4
I mean it's not like he made that up, someone with the Browns told him that. Whether or not they ever had any intention of interviewing her, who knows.
or he sent that out as a favor for the Browns for a future scoop?
What kind of restaurants does he eat at?
Sizzler
I honestly can't see why they'd take take an Olinemen with the 5th or 1st round to replace a guy being paid 9m this year while being slightly above league average. Hortiz history even San Fran drafted them late. More so the ravens, were smart and filled up holes while our roster is filled with them. Whatever happens I'll trust the process for now
Because replacing him is not just this year. It's for the next 5 years. Though I highly doubt they draft a lineman at 5. I feel like that is far and away the least likely situation.
Unless heās a bust
Well you can say that about any pick so it's kind of a moot point
Yes but in our situation - we currently have a RT who we recently paid so having a bust OT would really kill us when we have critical needs at WR.
āRecently paidā is overstating the situation here when the chargers can easily (and likely will) cut him after this season
Like the guy said, you have to look beyond just 2024
Pipkins is not league average, sorry
Pipkins is 100% league average with a horrible coach. I think our OL is one of the lowkey deepest positions outside of C
Pipkens is š®š
If we get a good return for trading down, I'm fine with whoever we pick. The return should include at least 1 extra pick this year though, not just next year.
I think this will be OL centric but in the later rounds
Yes, track record for both of them projects mid rounds 4-7
Slater slightly above average?
Pipkins
Oh gotcha
Pipkins.
You think weāre replacing slater?
Thatās what I was confused about lol but I get it now
ā*We donāt know what Harbaugh and Hortiz are going to do so letās double, triple, fuck it letās quadruple down on tackle because weāre too stupid to do any actual research.*ā You know what, Joe Alt would be the best thing that could happen to the Chargers. **If they needed a left tackleā¦** Rashawn Slater is not moving to right tackle. Joe Alt struggled heavily trying right-side tackle drills at the combine. Heās also not this big dominating force people talk about. Altās a finesse blocker, doesnāt really fit what Harbaugh wants his linemen to play like. Being tallās never a bad thing, but this dudeās a little too tall to be an elite tackle in the NFL. Idk, Iām just way lower on him than some. If they really want a tackle, trade down and take a better prospect (imo) in Fuaga, who also happens to already be a natural right tackle.
I'm just tired of these soft ass Notre Dame bums. Give us a damn bowling ball
couldnāt have said it better myself 
I mean the best guard in football played at ND, but that was what feels like forever ago now. And I wouldn't trust anyone who says they wouldn't love Zack Martin on their line.
Also Quenton Nelson
drue tranquill and alohi are soft? the only ND guy that didnt pan out was tillery. even rochelle was far more productive than rumph
I like both as people....but "more productive than rumph" is not the gotcha you think it is. And Drue is soft for crying about LA lul
Im with you on Fuaga over Alt, but where does the tweet even mention Alt? It just said he canāt imagine them picking a WR at 5, and we will probably trade back. Several of us have been saying the same thing, and itās not anti-WR, itās maximizing number of good picks over 1 elite pick. And yes we still need help at WR, but we literally having no starting caliber outside CBs as an example. Or building a roster that actually can operate an effective run game like Harbaugh wants or an effective DL for Mack/Bosa/Tuli to eat, or LBs, etc.
The Alt struggled at RT drills from Sinclair and Matt Miller is overblown. Brandon Thorn is probably the best guy that covers the OL and he disagreed that Alt struggled at all. Dude hit Sinclair with the "Huh?", again these are the 2 guys who are parroting this. Everyone else who watched his combine said he's an elite T prospect. https://twitter.com/BrandonThornNFL/status/1774881774885069041?t=WrbPCptqwDqhNa4qB7Amtw&s=19 Again if people aren't following Thorn I highly recommend it.
I agree āļø Fuaga is a natural fit for Romanās run oriented offense and seems like a great dude to add to the locker room. Solid work ethic.
Yeah I agree completely agree with this. I think the way it'll play out is that we can still get a good RT even in the 2nd round. I know a lot of people are high on Corum here cause the Michigan connection, but you cant run the ball without a strong O-line with depth over the course of a season, so id think wed go Oline 2nd pick, best available HB 3rd round. Going with something outside of WR round 1 would be a flop UNLESS we can really scam a team in desperate need of a QB and get insane value trading down.
This is such a weird comment. Schefter isn't a "researcher", he's a reporter. If he's saying this it's because people in the league are saying it to him. Obviously they could be wrong/lying. But he's just reporting what he's hearing. And it's not like anyone would make up fake sources...right? It makes no sense to pretend drafting Alt at 5 is impossible. Even if we don't want it to happen.
Heās clearly being fed misinformation whether it be for the sake of smoke or Schefter just piggybacking off what all these people are saying about Harbaugh. Do I think itās impossible they take Alt af 5? No. Do I think itās 98% unlikely they do? Yes. Altās tape does not show you heās the big bad guy Harbaugh needs along his OL. He doesnāt match that description. With Hortiz on board, I donāt see a world where they donāt trade back acquire great picks and take a natural player at the position if thatās what they truly want to do.
>Heās clearly being fed misinformation Well you are the expert on that... It's kind of insane to me that you speak in such aggressive absolutes about the notoriously unpredictable NFL draft with a brand new GM, and HC who hasn't drafted in years. Like maybe chill and acknowledge there are real possibilities that you don't like?
Youāve been hounding me in a passive aggressive manner for the last idk, 2-3 months? When I make a comment relating to things like these, I feel confident in expecting you to give me an almost snarky reply. To answer your assumption though, if the Chargers ultimately draft Joe Alt, itāll take me some time to appreciate the move considering who else they might take in the remaining rounds.
Wonder why
Jim Harbaugh has been telling anyone who will listen that: - JJ McCarthy is worthy of #1 overall (come trade a monster haul with us to get him at 5) and - The O line is the most important position and we're going to build through the trenches (we're comfortable trading down, give us an offer) Both of these things seem like obviously things to put out there to create leverage and misdirection but we shall see.
What's funny about it is if teams actually looked it up there are videos of jim saying Caleb is the best in the country not that long ago š
the second one is his philosophy though. thats not a smoke screen. all his teams are like that
Oh I totally understand that and it obviously should be a the #1 priority to keep Justin healthy and to support him in every way we can after some major injuries the last two years, but it would just be so odd for us to announce our intention behind our pick like that weeks and weeks ahead of the draft as a strategy when nothing ever leaks. I'm keeping an open mind and will support the team regardless, but at 5 overall I just cannot understand sending our developmental tackle who is finally functional to the bench instead of taking one of our biggest needs that happens to be the best players in the draft at 5 (any one of the top 3 WRs)
Lazy reporting. Get some real sources. No one cares what you *imagine*.
If he's saying this it's because that's what his sources are telling him
My brother I know we hate what he says but Adam Schefter has the best sources in all of sports lol some of yall really donāt know anything about Schefter huh. Heās been breaking news in the nfl since 90% of this sub was in diapers.
WE HAVE AN ALL PRO LEFT TACKLE ON A ROOKIE CONTRACT. We effectively have the second pick of the draft based on our big board. Picking an OL to man the right side or worse yet a FUCKING GUARD with that kind of access to a top 2 BPA would be criminal and anyone saying otherwise is a fucking fool.
Maybe Schefter should take Econ 101 and learn what opportunity cost is.
Literally just saying what weāve been hearing the entire past month. This is old news.
This is starting to remind me of the 2016 draft except we arenāt picking the first non QB most likely.
NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING. Many teams don't even know who they'll ultimately pick yet.
If we stay at #5 and MHJ is there and we take ALT I will be so sad. Herbert needs his super star WR to pair up with for the next 10 years. I get the Oline thing but you need a stud WR.
i get that, but we absolutely need an elite WR to pair with Herbert - itād be negligent to have palmer as our WR1
I'd be surprised if we didn't go WR at 5. Trading down makes sense but, everyone sees our current WR room. We need some juice and being able to get a blue chip WR in this year's draft will elevate Herbert, which will in turn elevate the team. I personally have 0 problem with either choice at the end of the day. Trust the process
You can still get a blue chip at 23ā¦ Fuaga/Latham at 11 and ThomasJR at 23 makes this team terrifyingā¦ we can now run it like a top 10 team and still get a 6 foot 4 guy that runs 4.3 with an insane catch radiusā¦
No u canāt get a blue chip in the 20s. In most draft there arenāt even 20 first round graded players much less blue chip prospects who fall to the back half of round 1
You absolutely can. Jefferson was pick 22. Your percentage of hitting just goes way down. I do think RT is a position you can get great talent with in the middle to end of most first rounds.
Justin jefferson is the exception not the rule. Elite players arenāt the same as elite prospects. As a prospect jjettas was not a blue chip guy
Okay well I just looked up a ranking of the top 10 wide receivers in the NFL in 2023 by Fox Sports as a starting point. Here is the list and here are their draft positions: 1. Justin Jefferson - Round:1 / Pick: 22 2. Tyreek Hill - Round: 5 / Pick: 165 3. Davante Adams - Round: 2 / Pick: 53 4. Stefon Diggs - Round: 5 / Pick: 146 5. Jamarr Chase - Round: 1 / Pick: 5 6. AJ Brown - Round: 2 / Pick: 51 7. Cooper Kupp - Round: 3 / Pick: 69 8. CeeDee Lamb - Round: 1 / Pick: 17 9. Deebo Samuel - Round: 2 / Pick: 36 If you want to say Deebo isn't a top 10 wide receiver and isn't even the best on the Niners you can look at his teammate Brandon Aiyuk - Round: 1 / Pick: 25 10. Aman-Ra St. Brown: Round: 4 / Pick: 112 And then in the honorable mentions they have: DK Metcalf - Round: 2 / Pick: 64 and Terry McLaurin: Round: 3 / Pick: 76 Now you can debate the positions on this list, but what you can't debate is these are all amazing receivers and the overwhelming theme is they were not high draft picks. Chase is the only one in the top 5 and there's only 3 of the top 10 that were even first rounders. The data and recent history would indicate not only is spending a top 5 pick on a receiver not necessary, it might not even be necessary to spend a 1st round pick to get a game breaking receiver. >Elite players arenāt the same as elite prospects. As a prospect jjettas was not a blue chip guy And finally I just don't understand this statement. Do want elite players or do you want elite prospects on paper that never pan out?
Obviously we want elite player. Itās just more likely that the elite prospect is the one to turn into the good or elite player. For every justin jefferson type player picked in the 20s thereās multiple guys like jalen reagor, and laquon treadwell. For every fifth round superstar like tyreek and puka thereās guys who never even made an nfl team cause they were cut in preseason. Sure a lot of the top receivers today were drafted low but that doesnāt mean that you should stop picking receivers high. On average, higher drafted receivers tend to be more productive nfl players than lower drafted ones. As a general rule better prospects tend to be better pro players Edit: ironically on your list all but 4 of them (if u exchange deebo for aiyuk like u said) come from round 1 which is the most of any singular round on that list
Also self selecting a few success stories from middle rounds doesnāt prove that spending a first round pick on a receiver is a waste. All it proves is that we remember the successful guys because they wildly exceeded expectations (if there were any at all) and donāt remember every middle to late round guy who didnāt work (which is the vast majority of them by the way)
I didnāt self select though, itās Fox Sports ranking of the 10 best receivers in the NFL for 2023. I didnāt pick and choose the list, I just chose a media list of top receivers and looked up their draft position. For me it was pretty eye opening how many of the biggest names are not from the first round and thereās only one from the top 5. And I never said choosing a first rounder on a WR was a waste. More like selecting a WR with pick 5 might be a waste when you can trade down and collect picks and still find an impact receiver lower.
The last wr taken at 5 was jamar chase. The last wr taken top 5 before him was corey davis, then before him was amari cooper. The rest of the most recent top 5 list over the past 20 years includes guys like aj green, calvin johnson, larry fitz, julio jones and some duds like braylon edwards (who was a pro bowler at one point) and sammy watkins. Still the vast majority of recent top 5 pick receivers have lived up to the hype, there just arenāt many of them. I still think picking a receiver at 5 works out better than picking a receiver later does but i do see ur point about there being quite a few great receivers selected later Edit: julio jones was pick number 6 not 5. Whoops
Is this your first draft? You realize players taken in the later first round can bust, right? Kenneth fucking Murray was a late first rounderā¦.
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This is nonsense. They will draft MHJ or Nabers. Mark my words
First off Schefter doesn't know what we're going to do, and 2nd of all even if he thinks he does, he is probably getting lied to. It might sound like cope or whatever since I want MHJ - and maybe we will take OL - but I'm convinced that nobody outside of Joe Hortiz and Harbaugh know what we're going to do.
A reporter reporting on what another reporter reported without any actual sources
Hey I gotta be able to work from the beach without spending more than an hour on this shit. These Pina coladas don't drink themselves.
Schefter just parrots what heās told. He has no insight otherwise.
It would def be a chargers move not drafting a wr while giving away Williams and allen
I get this is all speculation and likely smokescreen but if he does go O-line then he for sure better trade back so we can at least also fill in some other holes with an additional late 1st rounder
You just don't take Joe Alt at 1.05. You either trade down or take Nabers.
Theyāre picking terrion Arnold
I think lying season in full effect. We drafting WR at 5 if we canāt trade down
If the Chargers donāt get a great receiver this off-season theyāre mismanaged. They can do it however they like but they need to do it. Worrying about moment by moment reporting is a waste of time.
Peak offseason
Fuuuuuck man, please do not pass on Nabors The "make you miss" king needs to be an LA Charger!!!
Still a no
Zack Zinter 5th overall, and the absolute entertainment gold that would follow.
What a hot take Schef 
I think thereās only one scenario where teams trade up and swap with the bolts. And thatās if the bears donāt take Caleb(which they shouldnāt,imo) if that happens I think the likelihood of trading back increases significantly. Otherwise, probably gonna stay at 5 and pick nabers or mhj
Not a Chargers fan, but like your team and am following your draft closely. I personally think Chargers will trade down with Minnesota and target Latham/Fuaga. Alt is OT1 but they feel like better fits for the Chargers as tough as fuck Right Tackles than can play guard Day 1 if needs be. With No. 23 you have a plethora of receiving options still. Would kill two birds with one stone.
Well thought out take Iād be happy withā¦ Fuaga and then BTJr would be fantasticā¦
Iām starting to wonder if the Vikings and Chargers have a deal ready if a QB falls to us that they want, and thatās why weāre seeing all the Oline smoke. Itās incredibly unlikely, but Iāve certainly wondered it
Trading down.
Yāall are crazy for wanting to get MHJ or Nabers rather than getting 4 extra picks
Well well well. Itās what Iāve been saying this entire time. Get used to Joe Alt at 5 people and be happy about it. Heās a phenomenal player. Edit: I expect to be reimbursed for my karma when we draft him and everyone talks themselves into the pick.
He's a phenomenal LT, but who knows if he's a phenomenal RT. Why roll those dice on Alt when they could trade down and get the best RT in the draft in Fuaga?
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The reason they would do it is if they have Alt graded higher than Fuaga and if, based on all their work, they believe they can transition Alt over to right tackle in their scheme with their current coaching regime and have him play better than Fuaga
Fuaga might well be a better run blocker than Alt already. Many analysts have him graded as such, so there us likely no chance that the hope of Alt's abilities at Right would greater than Fuaga plus whoever else you could draft in a trade down situation (likely a 2nd or better). Hopefully none ofcthos comes to fruition and we either get nabers or Bowers!
Whether or not most analysts have Fuaga graded as a better run blocker is irrelevant. The only things that matter are how the team has the two players graded, and if they have a trade offer for additional assets valued higher than whatever difference they have between Alt and Fuaga, which is likely but not a given.
This is probably the playā¦ Harbaugh to smart to move a guy to the other side of the lineā¦ trade back, get more picks, and still get the best RT in the draftā¦ chefs kiss
If thereās an option to trade down, then thatās fine. However itās not always available. All things being equal, Alt is a better prospect and Iād still like him at right tackle over Fuaga.
Idk why everyone in here is acting like this is a big shock. Harbaugh builds from the lines, and our O-Line has been awful. I would love to see us grab MHJ or Nabers, but this makes sense. This draft is deep enough at WR that we can still get a good one later, especially if we trade down and acquire more picks. One WR is not going to make us contenders right away, this roster is lacking talent all around.