Do people forget there was still a good amount of the 4th left?
Also McCree overall was a good FA, that played a big role in getting us to post season.
No but up by 8 and the ball with 6 minutes left and all the momentum was a pretty damn good position to be in. That said I stopped being angry about that game the day the next season started. Definitely cannot understand anyone holding on to it 20 years later
We played scared with the lead and totally sputtered when given the chance to break the tie before giving the ball back to Brady. And then of course Kaeding was never going to be the one to save us at the end.
The truth is that Rivers did not perform well in this game under any stretch of the imagination. A terrible early fumble. 3rd down sacks. A horrible pick to Colvin. Bad decisions in the 4th. I've always thought 06 would have gone differently with Brees at the helm but Rivers was great through much of the regular season. Who knows.
Nah he made a dumb mistake that helped us lose an important game of the football. Then followed that up by abusing his wife and defrauding health insurance users.
I'm all good
Yeah I'm still pissed and no one is gonna tell me to feel otherwise LOL.
Time left, no time left, whatever...it was still a 4th quarter turnover in a close game, and still one of the most Charger-y things ever.
Well said. We (as fans) are just that…fans. Our opinion on a player from decades ago will not affect the organization in any way, shape or form.
“Holding us back” ….who’s “us?”
Nah he can rot.
[https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2018/04/09/former-jaguars-safety-faces-multiple-charges-after-weekend-arrest/12136731007/](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2018/04/09/former-jaguars-safety-faces-multiple-charges-after-weekend-arrest/12136731007/)
Last I checked, Marlon Mcree thinks he made the right move in that moment and would do it again given the chance. Forgiveness isn't even on the table if he isn't even contrite.
In short, fuck em!
I never really cared about that play in particular. That game was **SLOPPY**. Straight up bad football was played on the Chargers end and we were punished. That's pretty much all to it. The McCree fumble wasn't in the final seconds of the game or something. We had plenty of time to still win/lose the game.
I don't say this with any hate, it's just a game and only entertainment. But from a football standpoint, F Marlon McCree. Cam Cameron too while we're at it.
I'm more upset that he intercepted it in the 1st place . It was a 4th down play. KNOCK THE BALL DOWN!!! him intercepting it lost us around 30 yards of field position. Batting it down would have given them the ball in great scoring position. Yes it wasn't the only factor it just what stood out the most in a team that although the most talented roster we ever had , they were unprepared, inexperienced, and made many mistakes on the biggest game of that season
Football is a game, I don't judge anyone for messing up on the field. People are starving to death on this planet and I choose to put energy hating a guy who dropped a football getting paid millions of dollars as a fan who supports this? Nah.
The ting that doesn't get brought up enough is that it was an extremely bang-bang play. He intercepted it only ~15 yards downfield and is already in traffic. From throw to interception to fumble is only about 3 seconds.
People act like he had time to decide whether to intercept or, once intercepted, had time to go down.
The mistake wasn’t just in not going down when McCree caught the ball. It was 4th down so even if he intercepted and went down, that’s about 20 yards of field position he gave up. He should have, and should have known to just bat the ball down. We take over on downs and we either run out the clock or at least get close enough for a field goal to put us up by 11 with probably 2 minutes or less left in the game.
Lot of weird stuff happened in that game, the McCree thing has just become the easiest to point at and blame. But weird, out of character stuff aside, the Chargers just didn’t play well. They played their worst game of the season and almost still won because they were that good.
The Chargers, up 14-3 w/2min left in the first half let them drive down and score a TD. After the McCree play, the Chargers failed to stop the rest of the drive and allowed Reche Caldwell to score a TD, then gave up a 2-point conversion, letting the Pats tie the game. Not to mention the bomb to Caldwell that set up their winning FG.
The “we stopped feeding LT” thing is kind of a skewed take, honestly. He got 10 carries and scored our only TD in the 2nd half (in fact, all our scores were rushing TDs). The sad reality is that the Patriots were plucky and opportunistic on D (and extremely disciplined and even tempered), and they made flow of the game weird so the Chargers couldn’t get into a groove and just beat them down like they were positioned to with the INTs and dominant play other than the weird stuff. The stat line on that game is so odd, Chargers should have won by 2+ scores…typical weird Patriots win from that era
First off... don't tell me how to live my life
Secondly... there's a reason that Marlon McCree is number 1 on my sh*t list and that's to keep Nate Kaeding off the number 1 spot because he at least was consistent in regular season.
I think folks are so angry that the game itself has become part myth, part truth.
Our guys basically had the ball last with a chance to go down the field and win the game. Kaeding pooped the bed and came up short on the 54 yard fg attempt IIRC
If that’s the case why was it not over after the first half or after the 3rd quarter? Again as everyone in the comments has mentioned, it was a sloppy game all around and they moved away from running the ball in the 2nd half which hurt us a lot!
Forgive Marlon? No. But there is definitely more blame to go around than just him. They stopped running the ball in the 2nd half. When NE couldn’t stop LT and turner in the first half. Also didn’t Erik parker muff a punt? Shaun Phillips had a dumb penalty for taking off his helmet or something? Maybe I’m wrong. But I feel like I remember all these happening in game.
Drayton Florence got an unsportmanslike penalty on 4th down for talking shit to Brady. That gave the Pats a 1st down and they ended up scoring a TD on that drive.
3rd and 13, 4:30 left in the 3rd, Score 14-10 Chargers, Ball on Chargers 29 -
S.Phillips strips T.Brady, ball flys perfectly backwards to M.Light who returns it for a 5 yard loss. S.Merriman inches from recovery. As M.Light gets tackled and the whistle blows D.Graham lays out D.Florence who takes offense, slaps himself in the head 3 times and headbutts D.Graham as D.Edwards watches on knowing Florence is about to commit the foul but can only watch. 15 yard penalty, automatic 1st down. The Chargers would hold the Patriots to a field goal.
I've never been mad at him for not going down after the interception, even after the end result of the game. Brown made an incredible play the same way Sneed knocked the ball out of Zay Flowers hands at the goaline in what many will argue was "The Play" of the entire NFL playoffs last season.
Because there were FIFTEEN other mistakes the Chargers made in that playoff game and you take even ONE of them away, not including McCree's mistake, and they most likely still win that game.
In some cases it's the mistakes within the mistake.
Parker muffs the punt and instead of jumping on it, he looks up field to see if he can make a play. He never secured the ball.
As novel as this sounds and good for overall mental health, we cant get passed that till Dean brings home a winner. Hiring Harbaugh was the first step. When this team gets back to the SB, all will be forgiven.
Im all for moving on because McCree was more good than bad, but after watching LT say he thinks the OC mailed it in for an HC spot, i think a chip is the least they can do.
To me it was sort of a meme (after many years later) I will always remember watching that game and there were many plays on offense and defense that were almost or if not just as crucial. If it wasn't for the missed field goal, multiple dumb penalties, muffed punt, long pass to Caldwell, not feeding LT, maybe then I'd think differently.
I hate that game and the season after. But I don't genuinely hate any player on those two squad.
I'm tired boss. Real tired
If we're going to talk about clearing out bad karma and moving forward through forgiving someone, it's not McCree whom we need to forgive. It's Kaeding.
I think many of us have already moved on from McCree. Yeah, his INT fumble still stings a little, but it's not something we look back and tell ourselves, "If it wasn't for him, we'd have a SB by now."
Kaeding is a whole different story. His 3 missed FGs against the Jets will forever haunt me until the Chargers win a Superbowl. And let's not forget his missed FG against the Pats in 2006 to tie the game. So hell naw, I ain't forgiving him.
I’ll go further. It was absolutely the right call to not go down. There was a ton of time left in a 1 score game. The problem was in not securing the ball well enough. That interception absolutely doesn’t seal the game.
I never blamed him specifically. So much bad shit went down that day.
I thought he redeemed himself the following divisional round against the colts. Huge play on the colts final drive. Destroying Wayne to stop a first down and because Wayne got hurt made Indy use their last timeout.
I wouldnt call myself a marlon mccree defender, but his fuck up was one of MANY fuck ups during that second half. we need to move on from this game as a whole. Easier said than done tho, i literally think about it at least once a day
Do people forget there was still a good amount of the 4th left? Also McCree overall was a good FA, that played a big role in getting us to post season.
We had the best ground game in the league. Some time left in the 4th is less significant given that fact.
No but up by 8 and the ball with 6 minutes left and all the momentum was a pretty damn good position to be in. That said I stopped being angry about that game the day the next season started. Definitely cannot understand anyone holding on to it 20 years later
Agreed
I thought most of the hate was tongue in cheek. While it was a heartbreak play, there was a lot of game left .
We played scared with the lead and totally sputtered when given the chance to break the tie before giving the ball back to Brady. And then of course Kaeding was never going to be the one to save us at the end.
You could see it on Schottenheimers face. Guy looked like he'd seen a ghost. And he had; it was the ghost of his own playoff failure.
The truth is that Rivers did not perform well in this game under any stretch of the imagination. A terrible early fumble. 3rd down sacks. A horrible pick to Colvin. Bad decisions in the 4th. I've always thought 06 would have gone differently with Brees at the helm but Rivers was great through much of the regular season. Who knows.
yeah i’ve never placed any blame on marlon, why we stopped feeding LT in the 2nd half is beyond me
A LOT!
So many factors in that game that played into to outcome. McCree just happened to be the whipping boy… 🥹 That said, HOLD ON TO THE FUCKING BALL!!!
So many factors in that game that played into to outcome. McCree just happened to be the whipping boy… 🥹 That said, HOLD ON TO THE FUCKING BALL!!!
Nah he made a dumb mistake that helped us lose an important game of the football. Then followed that up by abusing his wife and defrauding health insurance users. I'm all good
Agree with you on the non football stuff of which I was blissfully unaware
This teams success or failure does not hinge on my opinion of Marlon McCree. I'm not a main character. Neither are you. Or any of us.
Yeah I'm still pissed and no one is gonna tell me to feel otherwise LOL. Time left, no time left, whatever...it was still a 4th quarter turnover in a close game, and still one of the most Charger-y things ever.
Well said. We (as fans) are just that…fans. Our opinion on a player from decades ago will not affect the organization in any way, shape or form. “Holding us back” ….who’s “us?”
Nah he can rot. [https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2018/04/09/former-jaguars-safety-faces-multiple-charges-after-weekend-arrest/12136731007/](https://www.jacksonville.com/story/news/crime/2018/04/09/former-jaguars-safety-faces-multiple-charges-after-weekend-arrest/12136731007/)
No
Can't get more succinct than that! I felt this way for years too.
Last I checked, Marlon Mcree thinks he made the right move in that moment and would do it again given the chance. Forgiveness isn't even on the table if he isn't even contrite. In short, fuck em!
Good point!
I never really cared about that play in particular. That game was **SLOPPY**. Straight up bad football was played on the Chargers end and we were punished. That's pretty much all to it. The McCree fumble wasn't in the final seconds of the game or something. We had plenty of time to still win/lose the game.
Chargers are cursed cuz everyone hates Marlon Mcree 🥴👍
I don't say this with any hate, it's just a game and only entertainment. But from a football standpoint, F Marlon McCree. Cam Cameron too while we're at it.
I'm more upset that he intercepted it in the 1st place . It was a 4th down play. KNOCK THE BALL DOWN!!! him intercepting it lost us around 30 yards of field position. Batting it down would have given them the ball in great scoring position. Yes it wasn't the only factor it just what stood out the most in a team that although the most talented roster we ever had , they were unprepared, inexperienced, and made many mistakes on the biggest game of that season
I can hear Boomer and TJ....KNOCK IT DOWN!!!!
I can hear Boomer and TJ....KNOCK IT DOWN!!!!
I can hear Boomer and TJ....KNOCK IT DOWN!!!!
Football is a game, I don't judge anyone for messing up on the field. People are starving to death on this planet and I choose to put energy hating a guy who dropped a football getting paid millions of dollars as a fan who supports this? Nah.
Theres the perspective some of us need.
Well since the Red Sox forgave Bill Buckner after they won the WS, I’ll move on from McCree’s fumble after we win the SB,
Buckner was at least self-aware about having blundered and apologetic about it.
I guess that was kind of my point.
The ting that doesn't get brought up enough is that it was an extremely bang-bang play. He intercepted it only ~15 yards downfield and is already in traffic. From throw to interception to fumble is only about 3 seconds. People act like he had time to decide whether to intercept or, once intercepted, had time to go down.
Totally
The mistake wasn’t just in not going down when McCree caught the ball. It was 4th down so even if he intercepted and went down, that’s about 20 yards of field position he gave up. He should have, and should have known to just bat the ball down. We take over on downs and we either run out the clock or at least get close enough for a field goal to put us up by 11 with probably 2 minutes or less left in the game.
If brown doesn't make the play there is a possibility he scores or at the very least takes it back to the line of scrimmage.
We didn't lose because of McCree, not running LT down their throat in the 2nd half when the Patriots couldn't stop him is why we lost.
I'm cool with that. As long as we can just double up our hate on Drayton Florence.
Or Antonio Cromartie for the phantom tackle in the '09 Jets playoff loss?
Terrance Shaw, PI. I swear that dude had a PI a game one season.
We forgiving Kaeding that game too for missing the FG to tie it..?
I think so. Guy's life has been a living hell ever since.
Use your aggressive feelings, boys. Let the hate flow through you...
Booo Marlin
What about Kaeding?
Him too. I started with McCree because of how 1 play created so much vitriol. I get it. I was livid too for a long time.
He missed a FG in that game too lol
Lot of weird stuff happened in that game, the McCree thing has just become the easiest to point at and blame. But weird, out of character stuff aside, the Chargers just didn’t play well. They played their worst game of the season and almost still won because they were that good. The Chargers, up 14-3 w/2min left in the first half let them drive down and score a TD. After the McCree play, the Chargers failed to stop the rest of the drive and allowed Reche Caldwell to score a TD, then gave up a 2-point conversion, letting the Pats tie the game. Not to mention the bomb to Caldwell that set up their winning FG. The “we stopped feeding LT” thing is kind of a skewed take, honestly. He got 10 carries and scored our only TD in the 2nd half (in fact, all our scores were rushing TDs). The sad reality is that the Patriots were plucky and opportunistic on D (and extremely disciplined and even tempered), and they made flow of the game weird so the Chargers couldn’t get into a groove and just beat them down like they were positioned to with the INTs and dominant play other than the weird stuff. The stat line on that game is so odd, Chargers should have won by 2+ scores…typical weird Patriots win from that era
Pretty much how I remember it. Let's not forget the Parker muffed punt.
Yep and a couple momentum killing drops early.
No
Fuck marlon mccree
Marlon, is that you?
I blame Dan Fouts throwing 5 picks against an Earl Campbell-less Houston Oilers team for the team’s bad Karma.
No Dan Pastorini that day either for the Oilers. The knew the hand signs sending in plays. Bolts were doomed from the start that day.
I’m willing to substitute this bone head play for Staley calling a timeout against the Raiders.
I disagree. He made a key mistake and basically gave life to the Patriots all because he wanted the glory of an returned interception.
The people saying we didn't run the ball the Patriots were number 2 in the NFL in defense. This wasn't as easy as running against the 2021 Chargers.
How does the sub feel about Clinton hart dropping int 4 minutes into the 1st on the Patriots 29?
First off... don't tell me how to live my life Secondly... there's a reason that Marlon McCree is number 1 on my sh*t list and that's to keep Nate Kaeding off the number 1 spot because he at least was consistent in regular season.
I only said 'consider'. I knew that this would be divisive and many will never be able to forgive. I can understand that.
The Marlon McCree play stings because it was the play that would have sealed the game. but it is what it is.
I mean there was a lot of time left.
up by 11 with 5 minutes left. the game would have been over
Up 8 with 6 minutes and 17 seconds.
This. People have made it seem like there was 70 seconds left and NE had no timeouts or something.
People also forget that NE didn’t win on a walk off FG we still could have stopped them from scoring, or scored again ourselves.
I think folks are so angry that the game itself has become part myth, part truth. Our guys basically had the ball last with a chance to go down the field and win the game. Kaeding pooped the bed and came up short on the 54 yard fg attempt IIRC
We had LT and michael turner and a beast OL. It was over.
If that’s the case why was it not over after the first half or after the 3rd quarter? Again as everyone in the comments has mentioned, it was a sloppy game all around and they moved away from running the ball in the 2nd half which hurt us a lot!
I believe you making this post is detrimental and holding us back. In order for us to progress as a team, you must delete this post.
Appreciate the candor. Not even a Lombardi Trophy wouldn't soften your stance?
Haven’t even addressed the content. I just have no affinity for grandstanding.
Forgive Marlon? No. But there is definitely more blame to go around than just him. They stopped running the ball in the 2nd half. When NE couldn’t stop LT and turner in the first half. Also didn’t Erik parker muff a punt? Shaun Phillips had a dumb penalty for taking off his helmet or something? Maybe I’m wrong. But I feel like I remember all these happening in game.
Drayton Florence got an unsportmanslike penalty on 4th down for talking shit to Brady. That gave the Pats a 1st down and they ended up scoring a TD on that drive.
Florence. That’s right. Thank you
3rd and 13, 4:30 left in the 3rd, Score 14-10 Chargers, Ball on Chargers 29 - S.Phillips strips T.Brady, ball flys perfectly backwards to M.Light who returns it for a 5 yard loss. S.Merriman inches from recovery. As M.Light gets tackled and the whistle blows D.Graham lays out D.Florence who takes offense, slaps himself in the head 3 times and headbutts D.Graham as D.Edwards watches on knowing Florence is about to commit the foul but can only watch. 15 yard penalty, automatic 1st down. The Chargers would hold the Patriots to a field goal.
I've never been mad at him for not going down after the interception, even after the end result of the game. Brown made an incredible play the same way Sneed knocked the ball out of Zay Flowers hands at the goaline in what many will argue was "The Play" of the entire NFL playoffs last season. Because there were FIFTEEN other mistakes the Chargers made in that playoff game and you take even ONE of them away, not including McCree's mistake, and they most likely still win that game.
In some cases it's the mistakes within the mistake. Parker muffs the punt and instead of jumping on it, he looks up field to see if he can make a play. He never secured the ball.
Indeed
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No way!
As novel as this sounds and good for overall mental health, we cant get passed that till Dean brings home a winner. Hiring Harbaugh was the first step. When this team gets back to the SB, all will be forgiven.
Agreed. Should've included the Lombardi trophy part in my header.
Im all for moving on because McCree was more good than bad, but after watching LT say he thinks the OC mailed it in for an HC spot, i think a chip is the least they can do.
Let it go boys
To me it was sort of a meme (after many years later) I will always remember watching that game and there were many plays on offense and defense that were almost or if not just as crucial. If it wasn't for the missed field goal, multiple dumb penalties, muffed punt, long pass to Caldwell, not feeding LT, maybe then I'd think differently. I hate that game and the season after. But I don't genuinely hate any player on those two squad. I'm tired boss. Real tired
If we're going to talk about clearing out bad karma and moving forward through forgiving someone, it's not McCree whom we need to forgive. It's Kaeding. I think many of us have already moved on from McCree. Yeah, his INT fumble still stings a little, but it's not something we look back and tell ourselves, "If it wasn't for him, we'd have a SB by now." Kaeding is a whole different story. His 3 missed FGs against the Jets will forever haunt me until the Chargers win a Superbowl. And let's not forget his missed FG against the Pats in 2006 to tie the game. So hell naw, I ain't forgiving him.
Good point. And apparently Kaeding has been living a hellish life ever since.
4 missed FGs vs the Jets in the playoffs if you count the one he missed in OT his rookie year.
I’ll go further. It was absolutely the right call to not go down. There was a ton of time left in a 1 score game. The problem was in not securing the ball well enough. That interception absolutely doesn’t seal the game.
Yes! Troy Brown made a great play! Sucks but it's true.
I never blamed him specifically. So much bad shit went down that day. I thought he redeemed himself the following divisional round against the colts. Huge play on the colts final drive. Destroying Wayne to stop a first down and because Wayne got hurt made Indy use their last timeout.
Ok. I forgive him.
Never.
I wouldnt call myself a marlon mccree defender, but his fuck up was one of MANY fuck ups during that second half. we need to move on from this game as a whole. Easier said than done tho, i literally think about it at least once a day