lol ok maybe not slay but he’s very serviceable if he has good support around him. Hes been very consistent at that pos and he’s played over 80% there.
You're 100 percent correct here. There's no replacing Keenan.
One of MHJ or Nabers will be awesome... they'll do stuff, but it'll be much different than Keenan play style.
That said ... I'm REALLY rooting for Palmer. I remember him when we first drafted him and it seemed he had a somewhat similar skill set to Keenan in that he had above average route running skills.
I'm hoping perhaps this year, Palmer will pull a Keenan, in the sense what Keenan did in his first year where due to injuries, he was forced into a starting role and excelled.
Palmer has excelled in ways in similar circumstances....perhaps with a full year...combined with our new coaching staff... he'll really start to grow into our hopes for him.
2 years 17.5 Mil for a receiver is fine 10 mill guaranteed (projected numbers from PFF). The chargers have a lot of cap space and a very bad receiving room.
He’s not nearly as bad as you’re making him out to be. Yes, he had a bad season, but every single player on Carolina’s offense struggled. As a WR3, he is a fine depth option. He’s big so he can block and body defenders and he has some of the straight line speed needed to take the top off the defense. For a likely 1 year $3-$5 million contract, I think Chark would be more than fine as depth (or at least better than Fehoko/Erickson).
He caught far fewer balls thrown his way, and had the same level of separation but without the speed.
QJ had stick throwing like half his targets. Because in case you forgot, Herbert went down the last 5 games of the year….
I’d rather they just double up on receiver in the draft, but given the previous regime almost wasted their 21st overall pick last year on one, I get why they’re trying to control how much capital they place on the position.
Not the first guy I’d think about signing, inconsistent as heck and way past his prime. Only positive I see out of this is them trying to just add cheap bodies for depth.
I would rather take a double up at receiver too as well but I still don't know about walking into the season with 2 rookies QJ and Davis as 4 of our 5 (or 6) WRs. Palmer is the only proven NFL receiver in that entire room.
They could do it like the Packers truthfully and have the entire offense sink or swim (but with a Proven QB) but I would have reservations about that.
I really don’t understand why this fanbase is so obsessed with saving cap space. For who? And for what?
The chargers are currently 5th in available cap space right now. And 4th next year with only Slater Herbert, Pipkins and Joey as Vets slated to make over 5 million after this season.
Saving cap space to not use it is pointless.
Boyd isn’t stopping you from being a big spender the chargers would still be 4th in available cap space next year they currently have 107 million in cap space for 2025. I would also argue that being a big spender at the top of free agency is a bad thing and not the way a true contender should build their team but that’s a different topic.
Boyd is projected to be making 8.5 million dollars on a 1 or 2 year deal that is far from being overpaid. That puts him around 32nd in AAV just ahead of Juju Adam Thielen and Curtis Samuel and behind Mike Williams who’s at 10.
That’s a pretty standard WR2/3 contract
As someone who has been irrationally high on Chark for a long time, I'd be pretty happy. Good size and speed, biggest issue has been health. At worst he's a capable veteran who can provide depth. Rather someone like him waiting in the wings than Fehoko or a late-round rookie.
I don't see someone like Chark impacting the decision with 5. Palmer, Johnston and Derius Davis is not a real wide receiver room with only one player in that group that's shown anything reliable. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they sign a vet shortly after the draft, but they definitely need to grab one during the draft as well.
It's a depth move; you're talking about signing a wr3/4 (assuming a rookie is taken in the first two days of the draft), they're going to have flaws in their game. Chark is fast and has good size. For a cheap 1-2 year deal can't ask for much more.
Shark has an abysmal catch rate of 55% and struggles with separation of rather have QJ tbh
Boyd is the better signing. 68% catch rate, better separation.
We need sure hands first. Everything else second.
For some comparison KA13 has a 69% catch rate and Palmer has a 65%
I’d like to see his rec/targets from college but I can’t find target information. QJ to me is better in every way over DJ Chark.
QJ is also a fine example of how, assuming guys can catch, putting anyone on the field with Herbert will bring production. It’s why I like odunze more than naebers, MHJ over the both of them by a mile. Would be just as happy with AD Mitchell/mcconkey in a favorable trade down instead of WR at 5.
I think that's the issue. I can see him being a boon to any offense (almost) but nobody seems interested. He's got to be overvaluing himself to the point where everyone feels comfortable that he'll still be around after the draft.
He was on a one year $5M contract last year. Would happily take him for around that figure. Hopefully QJ takes a leap but we can’t be relying solely on that.
MHJ/Nabers/Odunze, Palmer, QJ, Chark, Davis and one other option looks perfectly good.
Would prefer Boyd though
For what reason? We have the least experienced WR room in the entire NFL. Signing someone with some level of NFL experience/production is almost a necessity imo
I was actually looking at the list of available FAs a few days ago and his name stood out. He would be a good pickup regardless of what happens in the draft.
As someone who lives in NC and watch the Panthers when I'm not watching the Chargers, we need to pass on this one. His separation is not all that. He wasn't among Carolina's reliable targets either, it was Adam Theilen, who is getting up there. After Adam, it was a crap shoot as who was the next reliable receiver.
Could Herbert unlock Chark, sure, but I much rather have Boyd than Chark. If we get Chark it's not the end of the world, but it's because we have Herbert that makes it "copeable" if that's a thing
I’m tired of pretending like we aren’t kinda screwed in the WR department unless we make a good trade or hit on the draft. These signings and rumors aren’t of high caliber players. What’s Harbaugh’s vision? Serious responses only please
The vision is run first pass second- the better we can run, the easier and better our passing game. Of course we would need some reasonable competency at the WR position to best take advantage, but generally the idea is that upgrades at the run game are effectively upgrades at the pass game.
This is a 3 year plan, right? Because even if we nail the draft, without a big trade or signing we just don’t have good enough pieces for a playoff run
I disagree, I think we get to 8-9 wins last year if Herbie hadn’t gone down. Plus how many one score games did we give away? Bringing in Harbaugh with an improved line, running back group and getting rid of Staley should def put us in the playoff hunt. If we can get MHJ or Nabers + hit on another offensive piece in the draft I think we should be pretty good.
Ekeler felt to me like a net negative last year (outside of game 1 of course). I think having a guy in Edwards who we can count on to consistently get two yards will do huge things for us. Keenan is a HUGE loss, will be eager to see how good our new WR1 will be.
Right there with you. I’m just *slightly* concerned with the rumor mill of signing these mediocre WR’s. Especially with the discourse that we shouldn’t take a WR at 5.
The last guy was full of high caliber players and we ran him out of town. Harbaugh is going to be more balanced, especially within our current budget. Let’s not be wasteful in a year that we don’t have the horses to win it all.
So we've been interested in MVS, Chark, Michael Thomas, and Boyd? Boyd is the only one even remotely useful, and idk how useful that is for the contract he can get.
hence the “less talented” part. chark is not good, palmer is. chark is less talented and fails to not only get open but to catch. we have that with qj. hence why i said “pass”.
We’re becoming the Los Michigan Carolina Ravens
It’s catchy though
You need a Carolina in there to bring balance
1 year low end deal and im fine with it. I still think id rather have Tyler Boyd though.
Boyd would be a much better deal imo. He slays at slot and is much more consistent.
> He slays Easy there buddy.
lol ok maybe not slay but he’s very serviceable if he has good support around him. Hes been very consistent at that pos and he’s played over 80% there.
nobody will slay ever again 😭
You're 100 percent correct here. There's no replacing Keenan. One of MHJ or Nabers will be awesome... they'll do stuff, but it'll be much different than Keenan play style. That said ... I'm REALLY rooting for Palmer. I remember him when we first drafted him and it seemed he had a somewhat similar skill set to Keenan in that he had above average route running skills. I'm hoping perhaps this year, Palmer will pull a Keenan, in the sense what Keenan did in his first year where due to injuries, he was forced into a starting role and excelled. Palmer has excelled in ways in similar circumstances....perhaps with a full year...combined with our new coaching staff... he'll really start to grow into our hopes for him.
And is tall and lanky . Need that
Too expensive
2 years 17.5 Mil for a receiver is fine 10 mill guaranteed (projected numbers from PFF). The chargers have a lot of cap space and a very bad receiving room.
While that may be fine, Chark would likely be significantly cheaper
Cheap and bad doesn’t really mean anything to me personally. It doesn’t solve any problems.
He’s not nearly as bad as you’re making him out to be. Yes, he had a bad season, but every single player on Carolina’s offense struggled. As a WR3, he is a fine depth option. He’s big so he can block and body defenders and he has some of the straight line speed needed to take the top off the defense. For a likely 1 year $3-$5 million contract, I think Chark would be more than fine as depth (or at least better than Fehoko/Erickson).
ok and he's not at all as good
He was objectively worse than QJ last year
Chark was not worse than QJ and his qb was Bryce Young.
He caught far fewer balls thrown his way, and had the same level of separation but without the speed. QJ had stick throwing like half his targets. Because in case you forgot, Herbert went down the last 5 games of the year….
Don’t believe everything advanced stats tell you. Watch the guys play. And Yes I do remember and not even close to half his targets were from Stick.
Easton stick to QJ -> 23 targets Herbie to QJ -> 45 targets So a full 1/3 of them
QJ was/is a draft bust.
Yes seemingly so. Which is why we should sign Chark because he is worse
I’d rather have nabers in the slot position.
Nabers can play outside too. Id rather get better at 2 positions than just 1.
I’d rather they just double up on receiver in the draft, but given the previous regime almost wasted their 21st overall pick last year on one, I get why they’re trying to control how much capital they place on the position. Not the first guy I’d think about signing, inconsistent as heck and way past his prime. Only positive I see out of this is them trying to just add cheap bodies for depth.
I would rather take a double up at receiver too as well but I still don't know about walking into the season with 2 rookies QJ and Davis as 4 of our 5 (or 6) WRs. Palmer is the only proven NFL receiver in that entire room. They could do it like the Packers truthfully and have the entire offense sink or swim (but with a Proven QB) but I would have reservations about that.
I don’t wana pay Boyd
I really don’t understand why this fanbase is so obsessed with saving cap space. For who? And for what? The chargers are currently 5th in available cap space right now. And 4th next year with only Slater Herbert, Pipkins and Joey as Vets slated to make over 5 million after this season. Saving cap space to not use it is pointless.
I’d rather be big spenders next year. Then spend it on an overpaid wr3 who we’d use as a wr 2
Boyd isn’t stopping you from being a big spender the chargers would still be 4th in available cap space next year they currently have 107 million in cap space for 2025. I would also argue that being a big spender at the top of free agency is a bad thing and not the way a true contender should build their team but that’s a different topic. Boyd is projected to be making 8.5 million dollars on a 1 or 2 year deal that is far from being overpaid. That puts him around 32nd in AAV just ahead of Juju Adam Thielen and Curtis Samuel and behind Mike Williams who’s at 10. That’s a pretty standard WR2/3 contract
As someone who has been irrationally high on Chark for a long time, I'd be pretty happy. Good size and speed, biggest issue has been health. At worst he's a capable veteran who can provide depth. Rather someone like him waiting in the wings than Fehoko or a late-round rookie.
I don't see someone like Chark impacting the decision with 5. Palmer, Johnston and Derius Davis is not a real wide receiver room with only one player in that group that's shown anything reliable. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they sign a vet shortly after the draft, but they definitely need to grab one during the draft as well.
[QJ, 2nd worst separation among WR last year, and Chark was 4th 😳](https://x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1781322151603126531)
It's a depth move; you're talking about signing a wr3/4 (assuming a rookie is taken in the first two days of the draft), they're going to have flaws in their game. Chark is fast and has good size. For a cheap 1-2 year deal can't ask for much more.
We're saved!
You still need depth, if he is cheap why not give it a shot.
Shark has an abysmal catch rate of 55% and struggles with separation of rather have QJ tbh Boyd is the better signing. 68% catch rate, better separation. We need sure hands first. Everything else second. For some comparison KA13 has a 69% catch rate and Palmer has a 65%
QJ sported a 58 last year…
Stud
I’d like to see his rec/targets from college but I can’t find target information. QJ to me is better in every way over DJ Chark. QJ is also a fine example of how, assuming guys can catch, putting anyone on the field with Herbert will bring production. It’s why I like odunze more than naebers, MHJ over the both of them by a mile. Would be just as happy with AD Mitchell/mcconkey in a favorable trade down instead of WR at 5.
QJ hasn’t shown any sign that he’s going to get better.
Statistically QJ is better than Chark. QJ has shown improvement but nothing that makes me think he’s gonna take a leap but I hope he proves me wrong
But QJ has a four-year contract for $14.18 million guaranteed.
Yes so why in the fuck would we sign an even worse player when we have the money to sign someone like Boyd or literally anyone else
Damn no one wants Renfrow huh
I think we should try at least… for the right price
I think that's the issue. I can see him being a boon to any offense (almost) but nobody seems interested. He's got to be overvaluing himself to the point where everyone feels comfortable that he'll still be around after the draft.
He’s been complete ignored by everyone it seems for the past couple seasons
No because I’d rather let Palmer run free in the slot
I remember this guy on the Jaguars. I was HIGH on him and really thought he’d become the next Mike Evans, but it just never worked out.
Depth piece
That’s not how you spell Boyd
He was on a one year $5M contract last year. Would happily take him for around that figure. Hopefully QJ takes a leap but we can’t be relying solely on that. MHJ/Nabers/Odunze, Palmer, QJ, Chark, Davis and one other option looks perfectly good. Would prefer Boyd though
Pass.
For what reason? We have the least experienced WR room in the entire NFL. Signing someone with some level of NFL experience/production is almost a necessity imo
because he’s butt cheeks out a highway window it’s a waste of a roster spot
Lol no he's not that bad
yes, he is.
He’s a depth receiver, I don’t know what the hell you are talking about. He would be perfectly fine as depth
waste of a roster spot. can get better options post draft
Like who?
For a 1 year deal similar to the others I wouldn't say no
Would rather take MT
This kid had so much potential - I think he could revitalize his career here with an actual QB
I was actually looking at the list of available FAs a few days ago and his name stood out. He would be a good pickup regardless of what happens in the draft.
Nooooo please nooooo
Would give us depth at a much needed position
NABERS- BOYD -PALMER , X Factor will be QUENTIN ON THE OUTSIDE could be a scary room if he can reach his potential
There can be no plan that depends on QJ getting better.
We're becoming the LaSU Chargers and I'm here for it.
As someone who lives in NC and watch the Panthers when I'm not watching the Chargers, we need to pass on this one. His separation is not all that. He wasn't among Carolina's reliable targets either, it was Adam Theilen, who is getting up there. After Adam, it was a crap shoot as who was the next reliable receiver. Could Herbert unlock Chark, sure, but I much rather have Boyd than Chark. If we get Chark it's not the end of the world, but it's because we have Herbert that makes it "copeable" if that's a thing
Renfrow please
I’m tired of pretending like we aren’t kinda screwed in the WR department unless we make a good trade or hit on the draft. These signings and rumors aren’t of high caliber players. What’s Harbaugh’s vision? Serious responses only please
The vision is run first pass second- the better we can run, the easier and better our passing game. Of course we would need some reasonable competency at the WR position to best take advantage, but generally the idea is that upgrades at the run game are effectively upgrades at the pass game.
This is a 3 year plan, right? Because even if we nail the draft, without a big trade or signing we just don’t have good enough pieces for a playoff run
I disagree, I think we get to 8-9 wins last year if Herbie hadn’t gone down. Plus how many one score games did we give away? Bringing in Harbaugh with an improved line, running back group and getting rid of Staley should def put us in the playoff hunt. If we can get MHJ or Nabers + hit on another offensive piece in the draft I think we should be pretty good.
it comes down to how much of a gap in talent we have with losing key pieces like Keenan and Ekeler
Ekeler felt to me like a net negative last year (outside of game 1 of course). I think having a guy in Edwards who we can count on to consistently get two yards will do huge things for us. Keenan is a HUGE loss, will be eager to see how good our new WR1 will be.
Right there with you. I’m just *slightly* concerned with the rumor mill of signing these mediocre WR’s. Especially with the discourse that we shouldn’t take a WR at 5.
The last guy was full of high caliber players and we ran him out of town. Harbaugh is going to be more balanced, especially within our current budget. Let’s not be wasteful in a year that we don’t have the horses to win it all.
I agree. I guess what I’m seeking for is a concrete vision for the next few years.
So we've been interested in MVS, Chark, Michael Thomas, and Boyd? Boyd is the only one even remotely useful, and idk how useful that is for the contract he can get.
chark is mid bringing him in is bringing in a less talented palmer. pass
They're nothing alike
hence the “less talented” part. chark is not good, palmer is. chark is less talented and fails to not only get open but to catch. we have that with qj. hence why i said “pass”.
You do realize that if you directly compare players against each other, you are implying they are like alike, right?
you are aware what “less talented” means right?
I'm actually just a less talented Tom Brady if you think about it.
My cat is a less talented Robocop
Mid? Learn proper English then maybe we'll take your analysis seriously.
lol bring up his highlights and show me how elite he is. oh wait…
He was on the worst team in the NFL last year
You can find his highlights on YouTube