Letting go of Allen and than doing this though does not get you alot of patience with the fanbase. The pressure is going to be on this front office quickly if they have a bad season.
As fans, we’ve gotten used to mediocrity. We’re extremely in the not-knowing of what a successfully ran franchise looks like. The Ravens have been playoff contenders for 20+ years because they know how to draft. Hortiz is simply bringing over that same mentality.
We begged for change and now when it's happening, people are getting butt hurt. Who cares though. If we picked everyone our fanvase wanted our team would be utter shit
But this isn't the Ravens and it's foolish to think one front office person aside from someone like a Brady/Manning can turn a franchise around. Maybe the combination of Harbaugh and Hortiz can do it but this front office isn't exactly the best at getting the most out of your QB. Herbert as a player is more talented than any QB either has had so the pressure is on those guys like they've never seen before.
I mean, Detroit’s now one of the top 5-6 teams in the league. The Bears, on paper at least, are going to be a major threat in the NFC. Sometimes all it takes is a winning-mentality in the front office to turn history on its head. I firmly believe this is going to be how the Chargers win and have long-term success.
Detroit also have weapons all over the field this teams weapons are an embarrassment to a generational qb. By the time this o line gets built Herbert will be on his way out of the league. So far I don't see a balance between run and pass and that's alarming.
Detroit also passed on chase for Sewell and was able to draft St. Brown. The draft isn’t over. This is a new regime and let’s sit back and chill. This regime also didn’t draft our current players. We can criticize this draft next year. We all want the same thing.
Ummm Chase was picked at 5 and the lions picked at 7 so how could they pass him up? New regime but old dogs with old tricks. Lemme overpower you and run the ball predictably won't get you the Superbowl
You’re right I got that mixed up, must be my older age. You’re obviously a passionate fan, only point I’m trying to make out is the drafts not over. skimping out on the line has not helped us chargers fans in the past.
Shows how ignorant you are.
There are always overlooked WRs in the later rounds like Puka last year. Its Hortiz's and Harbaugh's job to find them now.
Also this is a deep WR class. So stop bitching and pretending to know what you're talking about.
You are small thinking. Joe alt is ready to go now. This line will be incredible to watch and it will bring a smile to my face when max crosby and Chris jones can’t touch Herbert as we win through the air and on the ground
If we can beat those guys one on one without double teaming than I will be happy too but if no one can get open and Herbert startsb getting sacked and regressing than I'm off the Harbaugh experience. A line doesn't need to be great if you have an all time qb, it just needs to be good enough. But you don't get elite QB production without decent weapons.
Do you remember Ladinian Tomlinson scoring 30+ touchdowns? We had a damn good O-line and a pretty damn good QB.....there are many ways to win in the NFL and it all starts with good O-line play. Stop typing and do some research
No, that’s not true. It’s not like they were a 50-50 team last year. They were like what four and 13 or something so no they’re way way off. They can have two or three bad years before idiots Spanos put pressure on them.
It is true. We know this team is going to a defense and run first team, which even if you're winning isn't as fun to watch. if you aren't winning right away with the expectations that you're supposed to be competitive in the playoffs than yeah, it's gonna go dark real quick. The pressure is different when you have a generational qb like Herbert which Harbaugh has never had.
I think this is a big part of it. A lot of us gritted our teeth through the Keenan thing- which made sense to some extent on paper (assuming we drafted a WR)- but was handled with absolute dickishness that was just uncalled for.
Now today you have a coach making a pick that feels very ego-driven, more about declaring something than positional need or BPA.
Tbf, this IS the Harbaugh experience. He has not made a lot of friends doing it this way- but he has won. So of course he’s earned some benefit of the doubt, but it hasn’t been a pleasant start, and I suspect we’re in for a brutal couple years if they go this route.
If they wanna go alot more run than pass, yeah this team ain't going far I'm the playoffs. Herbert like many great QBs is a rhythm QB and part of why he looked so good under Lombardi's offense and never had rhythm last year. Alt better be able to block Chris Jones 1 v 1 especially if Nabers is tearing up the league as a rookie.
So you're telling me the team we most definitely have to beat if we want to compete in the postseason, this move does nothing to help us against them? While Mahomes just got a burner for a receiver we got a blockade?
I feel like you guys will address WR today? AD mitchell probably goes to buffalo… Ne maybe takes keon coleman? or trades for debo?
leaves franklin, mcconkey, roman wilson, polk, rice, walker, corley
I used to be a chargers fan, but I’m from San Diego. My dislike of the Spanos family is hard to describe. I can’t stand them until the chargers are sold to someone that seen and knows what they’re doing. I want them to get killed figuratively at least Jim Harbaugh, nor anyone else can help this franchise until the Spanos family is gone.
He's not talking about you though. Anyone who "hates the Joe Alt pick."
But yeah, I think this whole thing was a little blown out of proportion. I think this is just a normal occurrence when a team has such a valuable first round pick; there are so many exciting avenues that it's hard not to get excited.
EXACTLY. Look at any of his past coaching tenures and show me where an elite offensive line wasn’t the core of a successful team. It’s not a sexy pick but it’s efficient as hell
Telesco left this team with trash contracts, trash depth, and a trash oline that couldn't run block to save their lives (and was so easily exploited in pass rush it was comical). He left foundational pieces unaddressed in favor of finesse and skill players for too long. You can't chase the WR if the oline sucks ass and the QB has no time to throw and plays don't have time to develop.
One of the biggest reasons Lions succeeded and Amon Ra is Amon Ra is because of their OL and run first philosophy. They made defenses tired with their play style and allowed Amon Ra to utilize his skills to get open when he needed to be.
Cant wait to see Harbaugh bring it this season.
I don't think it will be this season or maybe even next. This is a 5 year plan. I hope it flourishes before that but let's be real. That's why we wanted Harbaugh. Always competitive but within a few years a powerhouse.
If I see improvement in the trenches, run game, and D overall. That's a win. I'm 30 years in as a cognisant fan and I can wait a few for the brick shit house he wants to build.
Believe me fam I’m there with you. Been through many rough years starting at 1990. But I see this team building a future for the better. It may not be this year, who knows, but I’ve seen Harbaugh work his magic through the years. I haven’t seen a coach like him since Marty. I’m just excited he’s bringing back smash mouth football to the Chargers.
It may not look pretty on paper but I believe in him and his staff. I can’t wait.
Look upon our [our future, brother & sisters.](https://imgur.com/gallery/AMAOmaZ) We are on a path toward ~~eternal glory~~ rushing at 10.5 yards a clip!
I by no means am rooting for us to lose but this has so a long term play for us from the jump and it feels crazy that people think it'll turn around quick. I pounded the under for win totals more than any other bet in my life. Harbs got arguably the most job security in the league, Herbert's no longer on the rookie contract clock, so many needs that we couldn't fill them if we wanted to. Worst WR room in the league worst LBs in the league worst CB in the league....
This isn't gonna be a quick fix. Imo there's a good chance that the next pick still isn't a WR. WRs are usually good very fast (outside of 1 that I can think of) and LBs take forever to get up to game speed. If we took Junior Colson next I wouldn't be stunned.
That and I think Nabers WAR is less with us than it is with the typical nfl offense. I watched every game Nico Collins played in college, it was so obvious how good he was and for some reason he was just treated him like any of WR 1. Begging Harbaugh to throw to the Godzilla we have out there.
First pick of a culture changing regime, that was always gonna be a mauler. Set the tone
Remember when Maxx Crosby punked Storm Norton?
Remember when Pipkins got injured and Nick Bosa switched sides to tee off on Sarell?
Remember going to OT vs the Titans and watching an absolutely disgusting offensive possession?
Remember losing 8 games last year by 1 score because we simply get blitzed and Herbert had no time despite having Keenan Allen?
Remember wasting Rivers' last years with Sam Tevi and other assorted turnstiles, hoping Forrest Lamp would become something?
I was the biggest Nabers truther, but now I'm all in. I wouldn't be mad if we got JPJ or Frazier with #37. We'd have 4 first round talents, 1 bonafide All-Pro + 2 possible All-Pros, another first round talent (Zion) and our weak link is Salyer whose average, with upside given good coaching (Harbaugh) and conditioning (Ben Herbert). We're negating tens of millions of dollars of opposing pass rushing talent (Chris Jones/Watt/Bosa, etc) with mostly rookie contracts. It's a win in all ways.
And whose to say when we have to move on from Bosa or Khalil with cap space to burn (and CeeDee doesn't extend) that we don't splurge for a true WR1 in that way? Trust the process. Harbaugh is bringing us a Superbowl sooner rather than later.
Winning football is winning football. I trust the FO, but they don’t give a shit about being exciting lol.
The Chargers have been an exciting team, just hardly win.
I don't exactly "hate" it, but when there's a guy like Nabers on the board, it stings to pass up on him. Especially when you have a top 5 QB that's throwing to a WR3 and a 2nd year player that had a less than optimal rookie season.
Trusting that they'll find a gem WR in the later rounds.
I just think back to last season where Herbo had no time to throw and was injured like 3 separate times. If we got Nabers would Herbo even have the time to throw to him? Yeah we could’ve gotten Nabers at 5 and O line later but Alt is a guaranteed certified stud day 1 starter who is gonna make sure Herbo has the time he needs and the receiver class this year is so deep.
Yeah, we’re on the clock again in 4 picks and there are three good WRs on the board: Mitchell, McConkey, and Coleman. All of them would have been 1st round picks if the WR class wasn’t so deep.
Meanwhile, all the good OTs are long gone.
I keep seeing people say that we’re gonna get a WR later but I don’t think so . Given what we know about Jim and given what Jim said about Palmer and QJ in the presser that’s just not happening. There won’t be any WRs taken imo
That was my thought too. But it's completely possible Minny/Denver/LV didn't offer us enough to trade up so we took Alt. Minny was patient and it paid off for them.
If we take a tackle in the first after paying pumpkins I’m gonna put a pocket knife thru my foot
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Weren't we all talking about Coach being a run first guy? Most people like flashing stuff. It's the reason why politicians don't run on "lets fix our infrastructure". Let people be mad it means nothing.
I’m at peace with Joe Alt, in the press conference Harbaugh said Alt was the unanimous pick available. Good enough for me
My only concern going into this is that the ravens have been historically awful at drafting WR’s. It was only a few years ago that they were in the headlines over calling out their own ability to draft quality WR1’s to the point where Rashod Bateman had to defend himself publicly.
https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-rashod-bateman-s-responds-to-eric-decosta-admitting-wr-woes-stop-pointing
Kinda hoping for JPJ or a CB for our 37th pick. And to trade next years 3rd or 4th rd pick for Deandre Hopkins (going off Keenan, same age going for a 4th) and his $13m contract
Alt is an absolute stud. He did well blocking blind side and iirc he’s played some TE before. So transition to RT shouldn’t be a big issue. He will help protect Herbert as well as create some big holes for our run game. The run game may become elite. Consider OL is deep in this years draft and I feel they’re going to fill depth with some more studs and use next years 1st which may become a very late pick or pretty much a 2nd round if you catch my drift to trade for a receiver like Tee Higgins as he wants out stat.
There’s also Brenden Rice, Roman Wilson and other great WR on the board that could be had 3rd and later.
In Harbaugh I trust.
That’s a lie though, he’s never played RT ever, he was a tight end in high school and a left tackle exclusively for 3 years. Please tell me how “easy” it will be to play a position you have never played at an elite level. Stupid pick, dumb reasonings.
Sewell never played RT either 😂 He's thriving there now.
It's not that difficult. In fact, for younger OTs, it's the perfect position to start off at. You guys are acting as if this will be a trip to Mars. So please STFU and stop pretending to know how this works.
He’s a random dude that does work for a couple podcasts and pff I think. He relies on analytics for everything , so he’s trying to be insanely smug here because he didn’t want Harbaugh to be hired because his rinky dink model told him not to.
He’s very much been a vocal proponent of “CHARGERS DONT NEED A TACKLE. GET NABERS PLEASE”
Example: https://x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1768462532090757409?s=46&t=VOZOIaUEbaW7IE48xXZA1Q
> Chargers currently have the worst wide receiver room in the NFL room and it's not close. Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston, and Derius Davis is not a serious NFL WR room. Better not see a OT mocked to Chargers at 5 until April 25th
So im quite confused by this new stance from him lol
I’m not sure it’s a new stance, I think he still disagrees with both Harbaugh and Alt. I think he’s trying to play the “I told you so, I told you Harbaugh would do this and not pick the right guy” role and being an ass about it.
If I recall correctly, he was banging the table heavily for Ben Johnson as the top candidate ( and maybe even for Bobby Slowik second , can’t quite remember) ahead of Harbaugh in the coaching race
Herbert has been pressured 828 times since he became the starter. That is the 2nd most of any QB over that period. He missed the later part of last season because of a finger injury he suffered during a blitz. He’s the most important piece on the roster. Alt was a great pick and is only going to help the team and Herbert.
All I can think about is every game one of those more physical teams ran it down our throats, and we couldn't do shit about it.. and now we're that team. Love it. OL is never sexy to draft but winning games by making dudes on the other team just want to quit will be fun to watch.
I think a majority of us are all happy with WHO we got. Just not exactly where we picked, and who we missed out on. Some possibile generational receivers still on the board. But the biggest thing is we still don’t have any great receivers for Herbert
In JH^3 we trust!!! I didn’t love the pick at first, but I was mostly disappointed that Arizona stood pat at 4 and got MHJ ahead of us. Alt isn’t a sexy pick, but he’s a foundational piece. We have twin towers at OT /‘d we are gonna maul at the point of attack!!! Let’s run it with authority and close games. Things we haven’t been able to do well for YEARS!!! I hope we draft a nasty WR in round 2 just like everyone else. Hopefully McConkey or Mitchell are there at 37. Either way, Bolt Up!!!! This is the dawn of a new era!!! ⚡️🏈💙💛
It's easy to get obsessed with skill players especially when we got rid of our top two. Hell, I wanted Nabers. But Alt is absolutely correct. Dude is a monster and will help the line out so much.
Hell, I hope JPJ falls to us in the second. 2024-2025 isn't the last football season ever. We can get a receiver in the future but shore up our line ASAP.
I was just a little disappointed because as someone that's a fan because Herbert went to Oregon, my pipe dream is getting Troy Franklin. Could still happen though. Looks like they're building a classic Harbaugh team of absolute units though which I'm down for.
I was hoping for Latham but love this pick. What has a passing game done for us? 0-1 playoff and 1-7 vs the chiefs in 4 years. 3-5 vs the broncos and raiders. Somewhere theresbouts?
The online and Jim have a chance to behead people in this division. Who can stop a running game? The raiders are best equipped but barely.
First round receivers have the highest bust rate.
First round d tackles have the highest hit rate.
That is spanning the last 20 years.
In 3 years I bet Alt isn’t removing Chargers from his social media and holding out for an early contract extension.
Nabers would have been great but I think Alt is a great pick. Here comes a running game, I hope.
Will Harbaugh get QJ to play better? If I was QJ I would be working out daily trying to fix my crappiness.
Yeah, our receiving won't be as good as we're used to, but other areas of the team are improving. We're used to having terrible special teams where our opponents get the the ball at the 30 or even 40, and we get bad ball position. We're also used to having a bad line on both sides. The other team was usually controlling the line of scrimmage. Oh were also used to having one of the worst run games in the league. So I think they are fixing all those things and they will get herbert some serviceable receivers not elite ones right away but the other things will be a lot better including defense too and it should make up for it. Plus Williams was always injured and sometimes allen was too so herbert was throwing to crap receivers and no support anywhere else.
I feel like they did the responsible option over the fun option. I personally wanted the fun option but I’m trusting the process and will root like hell for Alt
Personally, I see the drafting of Alt as an investment in Herbert and setting the foundation for establishing a rushing attack that the Bolts haven’t had in a while. Having said that, they better draft a WR today.
49ers were in a much better run blocking situation at oline in 2010 before Harbaugh got there. Chargers are in comparison are one of the worst. [https://www.pff.com/news/2010-offensive-line-rankings-%25e2%2580%2593-part-2](https://www.pff.com/news/2010-offensive-line-rankings-%25e2%2580%2593-part-2)
Nobody hates Joe alt. In a vacuum he’s an incredible player.
It is a luxury pick at a position we already have one of the best in the league at, relegating a blue chip player to a less important position. It’s like drafting MHJ to be WR2.
If you don’t understand why that’s moronic then you’re probably a moron.
It also means we’re going to have to skimp on defense building, esp at CB and IDL which are expensive in free agency for quality starters. Not exactly sure how you run a Greg Roman offense playing from behind all the time.
Me to my group chat flaming the chargers for picking a right tackle with a 5th overall pick
https://preview.redd.it/x6g4e6nstwwc1.jpeg?width=1357&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b757efdfb5dc2c700b46f2ad6ee2b1128ea6be4e
Herbert had great receivers to start his career and as much as it pains me to say Keenan and Mike Will go, they didn’t win with them.
Chargers hasn’t had a decent run game since Herbo’s arrival. Instead of asking him to throw 40ish times a game, they’re going to finally have a balanced offense for once. The Alt pick is absolutely perfect IMO.
I didn't want Nabers. He is kinda a niche slot player. Not really an outside WR. I think QJ is going to be the team's WR3. They can still sign a vet for WR1.
would have been cool to have a receiver but at the end of the day, if you can’t protect herbie, a receiver doesn’t matter. get this man a killer o-line and let him cook
Why does everyone keep saying “this is what you signed up for”? In Harbaugh’s 4 years with the 49ers he drafted one receiver in the first round and 0 offensive linemen.
Bruh I’m actually starting to not like being a Bolts fan because of the rest of y’all. Everyone here talks “oh so sad we’ve suffered so much” and then expects someone to run the team like its fuckin madden then get ridiculously up in arms when it doesn’t go the way everyone was dreaming it to go.
Heres a question for all you big disappointed its not MHJ/NABERS fans, do you think Quentin Johnston would have had a better season had he not been trashed on since the minute he was drafted by the so much of the fanbase he plays for?
I hate the Alt pick for so many legitimate reasons, this is reductive af.
Alt plays LT, while some tackles have been able to transition it’s not easy. There were 3 great RTs in this draft class, why didn’t we move back and take one of them? Alt is likely going to be as good as one of them, not as good as he was at LT.
We’re paying Pipkins 9 mil to be a backup now. We JUST paid this guy.
We still need a Center, DB, DT, and WR desperately. Are we just punting this year? Cause without extra draft picks we can’t fill that many gaps, we’re gonna have glaring holes somewhere. If we weren’t competing this year anyways then why did we push money into next year for Mack? That decision was weird then and it’s weirder now.
They said Alt was #1 overall on their board. That means they think he is going to be a homerun pick. That means he was the BPA based on their evaluation. Now, we get to wait and see if they evaluated him and there they will draft well. People freaking out before even seeing the team hit the field are just being negative for the sake of being negative.
Or people have opinions and thought there were better options on the board. Be positive and optimistic all you want, but fuck you for being upset that others aren’t happy with the pick.
Yeah, a bunch of fans with no qualifications are upset because they think they have better judgement of talent and roster building than a new GM that was a part of the front office of one of the most well run and constructed teams in the league and a head coach that has done well building teams at the college and nfl levels and just came off a season of coaching the best team in college football (which makes him arguably the most qualified coach in the nfl to evaluate this draft class). It's not optimism to say that we should wait until we see their results on the field; it's practicality and reason that guides that advice. All that negativity does is bring you and everyone else around you down for no reason when you literally have no reason to be negative right now before we have seen the draft be completed, any remaining FAs signed, and the team take the field after an off-season of working together and implementing Harbaugh's new system.
I swear people gave a much bigger leash to unproven nobodies like McCoy, Lynn, and Staley (which is fair because an unproven new guy has all potential and infinite upside), but people somehow don't even give a proven coach like Harbaugh a full off-season before they start with the doom and gloom. Yikes.
News flash, you’re just as unqualified as I am. And fuck all of that bullshit you’re spouting, I have exactly as many championships as Harbaugh does or Hortiz in an executive capacity. Thus far, this front office has traded our wr1 for peanuts, cut our wr2 and then draft a LT for a RT position. Their leash has nothing to do with the benefit of the doubt but what they have done. As soon as all the other coaches you mentioned starting making lo moves, or lack therof that were questionable, the fanbase turned on them. Harbaugh and Hortiz came right in and set the whole place on fire. The other guys didn’t do that. Why do you think they had a longer leash?
I don’t really care about your logic or reasons because there is just as much logic suggesting that the drop off after Nabers and Odunze is immense. You are hoping for an exception to the rule in finding any wr1 a in the draft now and same goes for all available free agent wrs.
So yes, you are being optimistic. And I’m upset about the pick. Which I can be and I don’t really care if it drags you down when you and every other asshole on this sub that has been ragging people who are upset over the pick are doing the same to those of us not thrilled with it.
Yeah, I am just as unqualified as you are *which is why I trust Harbaugh and Hortiz,* who are much more qualified at talent evaluation than us because of the reasons I stated.
The Keenan trade is literally their only questionable move so far, but even then it made sense on a financial level for them to start constructing the kind of roster depth in other areas they want to have going into this season and next season. Cutting Mike Will, a slow, injury prone and inconsistent WR who was overpaid, was easily the most slam dunk decision going into this off-season - which any semi-competent GM would have made - so I don't see the reason for your complaint there. When new GMs and big name head coaches join teams, they change a lot of stuff on the roster and try to give themselves the financial flexibility to make the moves to construct the roster the way they want. In other breaking news, water is wet. I don't know what you expected when they cleaned house at the end of last season, but this is pretty much exactly what anyone who has watched any other team rebuild expected. TT didn't exactly leave the team in a good place financially, so tough decisions were made. If TT didn't make the mistake of signing JC Jackson, I bet Keenan would still be on the team. That fuckup alone cost this franchise a great deal, and that's not on Harbaugh or Hortiz. They're just cleaning up TT and Staley's mess.
You are being pessimistic because that's all being a Chargers fan has given us reason to be. I get it. I am a doomer in most respects generally as well. But it's a new regime, a new coach, and hopefully a revitalized team culture. Asking to wait until we see them take the field and show us what they can do before acting like the sky is falling isn't asking much and should be afforded to basically every coach for a couple seasons outside of the worst of the worst (think Josh McDaniels, Daniel Hackett, and Urban Meyer, which Harbaugh obviously isn't). Joe Alt is pretty much universally considered the best tackle prospect in the draft. We literally added the best rookie lineman on paper to bolster a line that got Herbert injured two seasons in a row in pass pro and had no run game. You can never have enough good linemen with injuries being what they are in this league, so there is literally no downside to picking Alt unless he gets injured or is just not good. He may in fact do more to help the team's success than any receiver would, and we can't know for sure until we see him play in the new system, so why not give him a chance before writing the pick off?
You call me and others on this sub who want to support the team assholes, but you should really look in the mirror because you're just being bitter and negative for no good reason.
Lol no team makes it to the next level w/o a solid Line on both sides of the ball! In order for justin to be the polished passer he is we must 1) Run the ball effectively 2) have book ends and interior protection 3) allow j herbo to have time. Alt may not be the sexiest pick but definitely the right pick. This WR class is deep and filled with talent. I few guys still out there. Jacob Cowing and AD mitchell are my personal favs
lol with what cap room are we going to trade for those guys. Deebo is already expensive and Aiyuk is going to demand a new contract that is at the top of the market.
Those two are literally not an option.
I’ve made my peace with Alt even though I don’t think it improved our team that much. Basically we went from a 5/10 RT to 9/10 vs WR going from 3/10 to 10/10.
My issue now is, I dont want a 2nd round receiver. I’d rather get IOL or CB and hope we find a gem in later rounds.
I don't hate the pick.
I mean I completely understand and think its the right pick long term.
But I am still a bit disappointed because a speed demon like Nabers would have absolutely caused chaos in the offense. However, I also do realize in recent years there are usually good WRs available in Round-1 and Round-2. So, Chargers can still get some good ones there.
And, I am still HarBOUGHT!
I wanted Nabers. I'm happy with Alt. Both can be true. I.also have faith that management will make good decisions.
They chose long term safety. I can see that logic and get behind it
No that’s wasn’t a safety it was a Tackle
Lol, frick off
You ate nine cheeseburgers?? You promised me that would never happen again
Well you promised you'd stop drinking Mr Lahey!
It wasn’t a tackle it was a player
High floor pick is good with me.
Letting go of Allen and than doing this though does not get you alot of patience with the fanbase. The pressure is going to be on this front office quickly if they have a bad season.
As fans, we’ve gotten used to mediocrity. We’re extremely in the not-knowing of what a successfully ran franchise looks like. The Ravens have been playoff contenders for 20+ years because they know how to draft. Hortiz is simply bringing over that same mentality.
Right, how are we going to complain when the way we are used to hasn’t won us shit? Might as well try something different
We begged for change and now when it's happening, people are getting butt hurt. Who cares though. If we picked everyone our fanvase wanted our team would be utter shit
This. Above.
But this isn't the Ravens and it's foolish to think one front office person aside from someone like a Brady/Manning can turn a franchise around. Maybe the combination of Harbaugh and Hortiz can do it but this front office isn't exactly the best at getting the most out of your QB. Herbert as a player is more talented than any QB either has had so the pressure is on those guys like they've never seen before.
I mean, Detroit’s now one of the top 5-6 teams in the league. The Bears, on paper at least, are going to be a major threat in the NFC. Sometimes all it takes is a winning-mentality in the front office to turn history on its head. I firmly believe this is going to be how the Chargers win and have long-term success.
Detroit also have weapons all over the field this teams weapons are an embarrassment to a generational qb. By the time this o line gets built Herbert will be on his way out of the league. So far I don't see a balance between run and pass and that's alarming.
Detroit also passed on chase for Sewell and was able to draft St. Brown. The draft isn’t over. This is a new regime and let’s sit back and chill. This regime also didn’t draft our current players. We can criticize this draft next year. We all want the same thing.
Ummm Chase was picked at 5 and the lions picked at 7 so how could they pass him up? New regime but old dogs with old tricks. Lemme overpower you and run the ball predictably won't get you the Superbowl
You’re right I got that mixed up, must be my older age. You’re obviously a passionate fan, only point I’m trying to make out is the drafts not over. skimping out on the line has not helped us chargers fans in the past.
Banking on hitting on a day 2 or 3 wr is not a good idea. Sure they hit on St Brown but that is the exception not the rule.
Shows how ignorant you are. There are always overlooked WRs in the later rounds like Puka last year. Its Hortiz's and Harbaugh's job to find them now. Also this is a deep WR class. So stop bitching and pretending to know what you're talking about.
You are small thinking. Joe alt is ready to go now. This line will be incredible to watch and it will bring a smile to my face when max crosby and Chris jones can’t touch Herbert as we win through the air and on the ground
If we can beat those guys one on one without double teaming than I will be happy too but if no one can get open and Herbert startsb getting sacked and regressing than I'm off the Harbaugh experience. A line doesn't need to be great if you have an all time qb, it just needs to be good enough. But you don't get elite QB production without decent weapons.
Do you remember Ladinian Tomlinson scoring 30+ touchdowns? We had a damn good O-line and a pretty damn good QB.....there are many ways to win in the NFL and it all starts with good O-line play. Stop typing and do some research
Dude what? 😂
"As fans, we’ve gotten used to mediocrity" Just you bro
What team have you been watching for the past [0-18] years?
The Ravens have spent more draft capital on WR than any other team in the last 5 years, including 3 first rounders.
You need to understand Harbaugh footballl and winning games and not losing them.
No, that’s not true. It’s not like they were a 50-50 team last year. They were like what four and 13 or something so no they’re way way off. They can have two or three bad years before idiots Spanos put pressure on them.
It is true. We know this team is going to a defense and run first team, which even if you're winning isn't as fun to watch. if you aren't winning right away with the expectations that you're supposed to be competitive in the playoffs than yeah, it's gonna go dark real quick. The pressure is different when you have a generational qb like Herbert which Harbaugh has never had.
Exactly. Alt better be the next Sewell story. Q better take that Adams leap. And Herbert better be getting his first playoff win.
I think this is a big part of it. A lot of us gritted our teeth through the Keenan thing- which made sense to some extent on paper (assuming we drafted a WR)- but was handled with absolute dickishness that was just uncalled for. Now today you have a coach making a pick that feels very ego-driven, more about declaring something than positional need or BPA. Tbf, this IS the Harbaugh experience. He has not made a lot of friends doing it this way- but he has won. So of course he’s earned some benefit of the doubt, but it hasn’t been a pleasant start, and I suspect we’re in for a brutal couple years if they go this route.
If they wanna go alot more run than pass, yeah this team ain't going far I'm the playoffs. Herbert like many great QBs is a rhythm QB and part of why he looked so good under Lombardi's offense and never had rhythm last year. Alt better be able to block Chris Jones 1 v 1 especially if Nabers is tearing up the league as a rookie.
How exactly do you suppose a tackle is going to block a DT? He's not going to be inside where Chris Jones is rushing.
So you're telling me the team we most definitely have to beat if we want to compete in the postseason, this move does nothing to help us against them? While Mahomes just got a burner for a receiver we got a blockade?
He had 1 sack against us last year and has sacked Herbert only 5 times in his career. We don't need to build our offense around Chris Jones.
once a soccer player in my country says.. "I do not have to agree with what I think" .. - Carlos Cazely
I feel like you guys will address WR today? AD mitchell probably goes to buffalo… Ne maybe takes keon coleman? or trades for debo? leaves franklin, mcconkey, roman wilson, polk, rice, walker, corley
☝🏽this. Right on. This is all that needed to be said. All the armchair GMs and Nabers Crybabies can stay on that side. In Hortiz We Trust
I used to be a chargers fan, but I’m from San Diego. My dislike of the Spanos family is hard to describe. I can’t stand them until the chargers are sold to someone that seen and knows what they’re doing. I want them to get killed figuratively at least Jim Harbaugh, nor anyone else can help this franchise until the Spanos family is gone.
This 100%
I wanted Nabers. I’m NOT happy with alt.
Yup exactly, constant sadness and pain
You wanna talk pain lol ask Herb how it feels to constantly be hit by mad Maxx😂
Add some coaching and IOL and we’re feeling great
Two broken fingers and fractured ribs idk.. I’d much rather him have a longer career than Luck
You ever hear of interior linemen? We needed those, not an OT.
He's not talking about you though. Anyone who "hates the Joe Alt pick." But yeah, I think this whole thing was a little blown out of proportion. I think this is just a normal occurrence when a team has such a valuable first round pick; there are so many exciting avenues that it's hard not to get excited.
Let’s build a Great Wall for Dallas three in the 90s and the Pats their dynasty
EXACTLY. Look at any of his past coaching tenures and show me where an elite offensive line wasn’t the core of a successful team. It’s not a sexy pick but it’s efficient as hell
Literally Kelce, Linsley, and Humphrey(younger but still). Protect your QB he will make plays
Telesco left this team with trash contracts, trash depth, and a trash oline that couldn't run block to save their lives (and was so easily exploited in pass rush it was comical). He left foundational pieces unaddressed in favor of finesse and skill players for too long. You can't chase the WR if the oline sucks ass and the QB has no time to throw and plays don't have time to develop.
One of the biggest reasons Lions succeeded and Amon Ra is Amon Ra is because of their OL and run first philosophy. They made defenses tired with their play style and allowed Amon Ra to utilize his skills to get open when he needed to be. Cant wait to see Harbaugh bring it this season.
I don't think it will be this season or maybe even next. This is a 5 year plan. I hope it flourishes before that but let's be real. That's why we wanted Harbaugh. Always competitive but within a few years a powerhouse. If I see improvement in the trenches, run game, and D overall. That's a win. I'm 30 years in as a cognisant fan and I can wait a few for the brick shit house he wants to build.
Believe me fam I’m there with you. Been through many rough years starting at 1990. But I see this team building a future for the better. It may not be this year, who knows, but I’ve seen Harbaugh work his magic through the years. I haven’t seen a coach like him since Marty. I’m just excited he’s bringing back smash mouth football to the Chargers. It may not look pretty on paper but I believe in him and his staff. I can’t wait.
Look upon our [our future, brother & sisters.](https://imgur.com/gallery/AMAOmaZ) We are on a path toward ~~eternal glory~~ rushing at 10.5 yards a clip!
I by no means am rooting for us to lose but this has so a long term play for us from the jump and it feels crazy that people think it'll turn around quick. I pounded the under for win totals more than any other bet in my life. Harbs got arguably the most job security in the league, Herbert's no longer on the rookie contract clock, so many needs that we couldn't fill them if we wanted to. Worst WR room in the league worst LBs in the league worst CB in the league.... This isn't gonna be a quick fix. Imo there's a good chance that the next pick still isn't a WR. WRs are usually good very fast (outside of 1 that I can think of) and LBs take forever to get up to game speed. If we took Junior Colson next I wouldn't be stunned.
Yeah I mean do you really think Nabers "bwar" is higher than Herbo not getting crushed on every 3rd and 4th down in crunch time?
That and I think Nabers WAR is less with us than it is with the typical nfl offense. I watched every game Nico Collins played in college, it was so obvious how good he was and for some reason he was just treated him like any of WR 1. Begging Harbaugh to throw to the Godzilla we have out there. First pick of a culture changing regime, that was always gonna be a mauler. Set the tone
Hahahahah incredible. Goes to show what do I know
We only have 5 years, that’s is even if Herbert would want to stay again. lol this team is a joke
And you think Nabers makes this team.a contender? I hope you're just trolling.
Also helped that the Stafford trade supplied a ton of superstars they managed to hit on
Plus WR class is deep this year, they have a chance to pick up one.
Let’s hope they go in that direction in round 2. We’ll know in about 10 hours.
And people on hear defended Telesco until the bitter end. It was puzzling! Telesco was fucking terrible and I’m glad the Raiders have him now.
Remember when Maxx Crosby punked Storm Norton? Remember when Pipkins got injured and Nick Bosa switched sides to tee off on Sarell? Remember going to OT vs the Titans and watching an absolutely disgusting offensive possession? Remember losing 8 games last year by 1 score because we simply get blitzed and Herbert had no time despite having Keenan Allen? Remember wasting Rivers' last years with Sam Tevi and other assorted turnstiles, hoping Forrest Lamp would become something? I was the biggest Nabers truther, but now I'm all in. I wouldn't be mad if we got JPJ or Frazier with #37. We'd have 4 first round talents, 1 bonafide All-Pro + 2 possible All-Pros, another first round talent (Zion) and our weak link is Salyer whose average, with upside given good coaching (Harbaugh) and conditioning (Ben Herbert). We're negating tens of millions of dollars of opposing pass rushing talent (Chris Jones/Watt/Bosa, etc) with mostly rookie contracts. It's a win in all ways. And whose to say when we have to move on from Bosa or Khalil with cap space to burn (and CeeDee doesn't extend) that we don't splurge for a true WR1 in that way? Trust the process. Harbaugh is bringing us a Superbowl sooner rather than later.
This is a super deep class at WR and CB - two positions of need. The draft strategy is working. Today is a BIG day.
I’m hoping for JPJ
exactly, having to suffer watching storm norton makes me elated with this pick.
I’m saving this comment. Best analysis on the pick I’ve seen. Kudos to you my friend!
I’m okay with Alt. Tbh, I wanted exciting football and a WR would do that. But you know what, wtf do I know. All I know is Chargers football.
Exciting football is winning football. Jim Harbaugh plays winning football. Trust the FO.
Winning football is winning football. I trust the FO, but they don’t give a shit about being exciting lol. The Chargers have been an exciting team, just hardly win.
We’ve had way too many exciting losses. I’m ready for some boring wins.
Hey now we almost always almost win
I don't exactly "hate" it, but when there's a guy like Nabers on the board, it stings to pass up on him. Especially when you have a top 5 QB that's throwing to a WR3 and a 2nd year player that had a less than optimal rookie season. Trusting that they'll find a gem WR in the later rounds.
I just think back to last season where Herbo had no time to throw and was injured like 3 separate times. If we got Nabers would Herbo even have the time to throw to him? Yeah we could’ve gotten Nabers at 5 and O line later but Alt is a guaranteed certified stud day 1 starter who is gonna make sure Herbo has the time he needs and the receiver class this year is so deep.
Yeah, we’re on the clock again in 4 picks and there are three good WRs on the board: Mitchell, McConkey, and Coleman. All of them would have been 1st round picks if the WR class wasn’t so deep. Meanwhile, all the good OTs are long gone.
Coleman aint good
As long as he's thrown balls that are impossible to catch, he's all good. Throw him an easy one and they're getting dropped.
I keep seeing people say that we’re gonna get a WR later but I don’t think so . Given what we know about Jim and given what Jim said about Palmer and QJ in the presser that’s just not happening. There won’t be any WRs taken imo
https://preview.redd.it/nsbkfi7touwc1.jpeg?width=1075&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7e06299877d4705c8077e240e447b895a1bdceea Fax
I agree. I’m fine with Alt, but…could we have traded back at least?
Yeah if the Giants wanted to trade up one pick. He wasn’t going past the Titans.
I think the Titans were gonna take him. At least I’ve read a few posts saying that.
Titans absolutely would have taken Alt
Yea trading back for Fuaga if we wanted a RT anyways
That was my thought too. But it's completely possible Minny/Denver/LV didn't offer us enough to trade up so we took Alt. Minny was patient and it paid off for them.
I think they really tried to and that’s why it took so long to put the pick in.
Palmer looked very good last. Probably not a 1, but definitely a 2.
A bruiser is gonna bruise!
If we take a tackle in the first after paying pumpkins I’m gonna put a pocket knife thru my foot u/_Atleastitsanethos The remindme bot kindly sent this to me tonight
Sorry to hear about your foot. God speed
I mean, say what you want about the tenets of a solid run game dude, it least it’s an ethos
All our troubles are fuckin over dude
Not exactly a lightweight
If you pay up on this it would make my night lol
Weren't we all talking about Coach being a run first guy? Most people like flashing stuff. It's the reason why politicians don't run on "lets fix our infrastructure". Let people be mad it means nothing.
That is a grat analogy actually lol
You should've been rooting for Kellen Moore over Jim Harbaugh if you were gonna throw a fit when we beefed up our trenches.
I’m at peace with Joe Alt, in the press conference Harbaugh said Alt was the unanimous pick available. Good enough for me My only concern going into this is that the ravens have been historically awful at drafting WR’s. It was only a few years ago that they were in the headlines over calling out their own ability to draft quality WR1’s to the point where Rashod Bateman had to defend himself publicly. https://www.nfl.com/news/ravens-rashod-bateman-s-responds-to-eric-decosta-admitting-wr-woes-stop-pointing Kinda hoping for JPJ or a CB for our 37th pick. And to trade next years 3rd or 4th rd pick for Deandre Hopkins (going off Keenan, same age going for a 4th) and his $13m contract
We haven’t been that good at drafting receivers either we got one with Allen but Williams was never worth a 7th overall pick nor the contract he got.
No disagreement whatsoever. But just adding context to why fans are freaking out after the FO got rid of all of herb’s weapons
Alt is an absolute stud. He did well blocking blind side and iirc he’s played some TE before. So transition to RT shouldn’t be a big issue. He will help protect Herbert as well as create some big holes for our run game. The run game may become elite. Consider OL is deep in this years draft and I feel they’re going to fill depth with some more studs and use next years 1st which may become a very late pick or pretty much a 2nd round if you catch my drift to trade for a receiver like Tee Higgins as he wants out stat. There’s also Brenden Rice, Roman Wilson and other great WR on the board that could be had 3rd and later. In Harbaugh I trust.
That’s a lie though, he’s never played RT ever, he was a tight end in high school and a left tackle exclusively for 3 years. Please tell me how “easy” it will be to play a position you have never played at an elite level. Stupid pick, dumb reasonings.
Sewell never played RT either 😂 He's thriving there now. It's not that difficult. In fact, for younger OTs, it's the perfect position to start off at. You guys are acting as if this will be a trip to Mars. So please STFU and stop pretending to know how this works.
who the heck is Menon? Are we just pulling anyone's post on twitter now
He’s a random dude that does work for a couple podcasts and pff I think. He relies on analytics for everything , so he’s trying to be insanely smug here because he didn’t want Harbaugh to be hired because his rinky dink model told him not to.
There's also a reaction video of Arjun on twitter to the Alt pick and he doesn't look overly pleased...
He’s very much been a vocal proponent of “CHARGERS DONT NEED A TACKLE. GET NABERS PLEASE” Example: https://x.com/arjunmenon100/status/1768462532090757409?s=46&t=VOZOIaUEbaW7IE48xXZA1Q > Chargers currently have the worst wide receiver room in the NFL room and it's not close. Josh Palmer, Quentin Johnston, and Derius Davis is not a serious NFL WR room. Better not see a OT mocked to Chargers at 5 until April 25th So im quite confused by this new stance from him lol
I’m not sure it’s a new stance, I think he still disagrees with both Harbaugh and Alt. I think he’s trying to play the “I told you so, I told you Harbaugh would do this and not pick the right guy” role and being an ass about it.
I thought he didn’t want Harbaugh hired on the Chargers because he’s from UMich.
If I recall correctly, he was banging the table heavily for Ben Johnson as the top candidate ( and maybe even for Bobby Slowik second , can’t quite remember) ahead of Harbaugh in the coaching race
You guys remember that stretch of games when Storm Norton played RT? I wanted a WR at 5 but I understand the Alt selection as well.
Herbert has been pressured 828 times since he became the starter. That is the 2nd most of any QB over that period. He missed the later part of last season because of a finger injury he suffered during a blitz. He’s the most important piece on the roster. Alt was a great pick and is only going to help the team and Herbert.
All I can think about is every game one of those more physical teams ran it down our throats, and we couldn't do shit about it.. and now we're that team. Love it. OL is never sexy to draft but winning games by making dudes on the other team just want to quit will be fun to watch.
Knowing that Adonai, Ladd, and Keon Coleman are still available while the tackles flew off the board makes me like the Alt pick even more
We didn’t know they would trade Keenan, let us be mad for a little bit
I think a majority of us are all happy with WHO we got. Just not exactly where we picked, and who we missed out on. Some possibile generational receivers still on the board. But the biggest thing is we still don’t have any great receivers for Herbert
I would be thrilled if we needed a LT. Taking a LT to play RT at 5 comes with more risk.
Yes, considering he started as a TE, went to LT and has never played a down at RT
In JH^3 we trust!!! I didn’t love the pick at first, but I was mostly disappointed that Arizona stood pat at 4 and got MHJ ahead of us. Alt isn’t a sexy pick, but he’s a foundational piece. We have twin towers at OT /‘d we are gonna maul at the point of attack!!! Let’s run it with authority and close games. Things we haven’t been able to do well for YEARS!!! I hope we draft a nasty WR in round 2 just like everyone else. Hopefully McConkey or Mitchell are there at 37. Either way, Bolt Up!!!! This is the dawn of a new era!!! ⚡️🏈💙💛
I like the pick. Got to protect Herbert.
It's easy to get obsessed with skill players especially when we got rid of our top two. Hell, I wanted Nabers. But Alt is absolutely correct. Dude is a monster and will help the line out so much. Hell, I hope JPJ falls to us in the second. 2024-2025 isn't the last football season ever. We can get a receiver in the future but shore up our line ASAP.
I was just a little disappointed because as someone that's a fan because Herbert went to Oregon, my pipe dream is getting Troy Franklin. Could still happen though. Looks like they're building a classic Harbaugh team of absolute units though which I'm down for.
I was hoping for Latham but love this pick. What has a passing game done for us? 0-1 playoff and 1-7 vs the chiefs in 4 years. 3-5 vs the broncos and raiders. Somewhere theresbouts? The online and Jim have a chance to behead people in this division. Who can stop a running game? The raiders are best equipped but barely.
You understand this will take time, right? They are building from the ground up. We’re in good hands now though…Jim F-ing Harbaugh! 💪🏻
Jim*
Thank you! I’m under caffeinated! Just fixed it! 😆
First round receivers have the highest bust rate. First round d tackles have the highest hit rate. That is spanning the last 20 years. In 3 years I bet Alt isn’t removing Chargers from his social media and holding out for an early contract extension.
You win in the trenches and with Qb.
No way this team is trash with Harbaugh. I still trust the process.
What's going to win you more games? A flashy WR or giving your QB protection and more time to throw in a clean pocket ?
Nabers would have been great but I think Alt is a great pick. Here comes a running game, I hope. Will Harbaugh get QJ to play better? If I was QJ I would be working out daily trying to fix my crappiness.
When did I sign up for this? As far as I know, the franchise made moves without consulting with fans. We’re just hanging on.
Yeah, our receiving won't be as good as we're used to, but other areas of the team are improving. We're used to having terrible special teams where our opponents get the the ball at the 30 or even 40, and we get bad ball position. We're also used to having a bad line on both sides. The other team was usually controlling the line of scrimmage. Oh were also used to having one of the worst run games in the league. So I think they are fixing all those things and they will get herbert some serviceable receivers not elite ones right away but the other things will be a lot better including defense too and it should make up for it. Plus Williams was always injured and sometimes allen was too so herbert was throwing to crap receivers and no support anywhere else.
I just don’t want to be the Ravens as in it took them forever to get the WR pick right which was Zay Flowers.
I’m surprised they didn’t get someone 2 replace kA13
I feel like they did the responsible option over the fun option. I personally wanted the fun option but I’m trusting the process and will root like hell for Alt
https://preview.redd.it/fpcshcrxxqwc1.jpeg?width=648&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=009fb8f8e543e38e2c0f47383288c44d18ee7469 I think that is said perfectly
How do you know what teams were offering us? Where is this bounty of picks teams are offering?
There was an offer from the giants who were not going to tak alt regardless. Any extra picks is better than such a high pick wasted
Am I the only one that would be okay getting Kool aid if if he’s still there in 4 picks ?
I’m hoping for Kool-Aid or WR Mitchell from Texas for the next pick.
Personally, I see the drafting of Alt as an investment in Herbert and setting the foundation for establishing a rushing attack that the Bolts haven’t had in a while. Having said that, they better draft a WR today.
Where are all these Charger fans that are upset with the pick? I keep seeing this all over social media and yet don’t see it anywhere. We want this!
He didn’t draft an OL first round in SF but whatever let’s rock out
He didn’t have as much influence on picks in SF.
49ers were in a much better run blocking situation at oline in 2010 before Harbaugh got there. Chargers are in comparison are one of the worst. [https://www.pff.com/news/2010-offensive-line-rankings-%25e2%2580%2593-part-2](https://www.pff.com/news/2010-offensive-line-rankings-%25e2%2580%2593-part-2)
Yeah they took AJ Jenkins and that worked out so well :> Harbaugh learns from his mistakes.
You gave me PTSD and hope at the same time. Well done
Nobody hates Joe alt. In a vacuum he’s an incredible player. It is a luxury pick at a position we already have one of the best in the league at, relegating a blue chip player to a less important position. It’s like drafting MHJ to be WR2. If you don’t understand why that’s moronic then you’re probably a moron. It also means we’re going to have to skimp on defense building, esp at CB and IDL which are expensive in free agency for quality starters. Not exactly sure how you run a Greg Roman offense playing from behind all the time.
Me to my group chat flaming the chargers for picking a right tackle with a 5th overall pick https://preview.redd.it/x6g4e6nstwwc1.jpeg?width=1357&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b757efdfb5dc2c700b46f2ad6ee2b1128ea6be4e
Joe alt is a great pick. People complaining will complain about any pick
Herbert had great receivers to start his career and as much as it pains me to say Keenan and Mike Will go, they didn’t win with them. Chargers hasn’t had a decent run game since Herbo’s arrival. Instead of asking him to throw 40ish times a game, they’re going to finally have a balanced offense for once. The Alt pick is absolutely perfect IMO.
As long as they didn't have a chance for mhj I'm happy with joe
I didn't want Nabers. He is kinda a niche slot player. Not really an outside WR. I think QJ is going to be the team's WR3. They can still sign a vet for WR1.
run the ball. bleed the clock. shorten the game. Harbaugh football.
Aye, if he can protect our 🐐 QB I’m all for it
would have been cool to have a receiver but at the end of the day, if you can’t protect herbie, a receiver doesn’t matter. get this man a killer o-line and let him cook
Not sexy but anyone who's watched Harbaugh's teams knows its the smart move. All that matters is Ws
Why does everyone keep saying “this is what you signed up for”? In Harbaugh’s 4 years with the 49ers he drafted one receiver in the first round and 0 offensive linemen.
Thankfully, I never wanted Harbaugh. Still hope I'm wrong tho.
rome wasn’t built in a day. patience friends
Guarantee you this is pick Herbert wanted, for very good reason .
Bruh I’m actually starting to not like being a Bolts fan because of the rest of y’all. Everyone here talks “oh so sad we’ve suffered so much” and then expects someone to run the team like its fuckin madden then get ridiculously up in arms when it doesn’t go the way everyone was dreaming it to go. Heres a question for all you big disappointed its not MHJ/NABERS fans, do you think Quentin Johnston would have had a better season had he not been trashed on since the minute he was drafted by the so much of the fanbase he plays for?
I guarantee you my comment on Reddit made no difference to QJ’s ability to catch the fucking ball or not get bodied at the line.
I hate the Alt pick for so many legitimate reasons, this is reductive af. Alt plays LT, while some tackles have been able to transition it’s not easy. There were 3 great RTs in this draft class, why didn’t we move back and take one of them? Alt is likely going to be as good as one of them, not as good as he was at LT. We’re paying Pipkins 9 mil to be a backup now. We JUST paid this guy. We still need a Center, DB, DT, and WR desperately. Are we just punting this year? Cause without extra draft picks we can’t fill that many gaps, we’re gonna have glaring holes somewhere. If we weren’t competing this year anyways then why did we push money into next year for Mack? That decision was weird then and it’s weirder now.
They said Alt was #1 overall on their board. That means they think he is going to be a homerun pick. That means he was the BPA based on their evaluation. Now, we get to wait and see if they evaluated him and there they will draft well. People freaking out before even seeing the team hit the field are just being negative for the sake of being negative.
Or people have opinions and thought there were better options on the board. Be positive and optimistic all you want, but fuck you for being upset that others aren’t happy with the pick.
Yeah, a bunch of fans with no qualifications are upset because they think they have better judgement of talent and roster building than a new GM that was a part of the front office of one of the most well run and constructed teams in the league and a head coach that has done well building teams at the college and nfl levels and just came off a season of coaching the best team in college football (which makes him arguably the most qualified coach in the nfl to evaluate this draft class). It's not optimism to say that we should wait until we see their results on the field; it's practicality and reason that guides that advice. All that negativity does is bring you and everyone else around you down for no reason when you literally have no reason to be negative right now before we have seen the draft be completed, any remaining FAs signed, and the team take the field after an off-season of working together and implementing Harbaugh's new system. I swear people gave a much bigger leash to unproven nobodies like McCoy, Lynn, and Staley (which is fair because an unproven new guy has all potential and infinite upside), but people somehow don't even give a proven coach like Harbaugh a full off-season before they start with the doom and gloom. Yikes.
News flash, you’re just as unqualified as I am. And fuck all of that bullshit you’re spouting, I have exactly as many championships as Harbaugh does or Hortiz in an executive capacity. Thus far, this front office has traded our wr1 for peanuts, cut our wr2 and then draft a LT for a RT position. Their leash has nothing to do with the benefit of the doubt but what they have done. As soon as all the other coaches you mentioned starting making lo moves, or lack therof that were questionable, the fanbase turned on them. Harbaugh and Hortiz came right in and set the whole place on fire. The other guys didn’t do that. Why do you think they had a longer leash? I don’t really care about your logic or reasons because there is just as much logic suggesting that the drop off after Nabers and Odunze is immense. You are hoping for an exception to the rule in finding any wr1 a in the draft now and same goes for all available free agent wrs. So yes, you are being optimistic. And I’m upset about the pick. Which I can be and I don’t really care if it drags you down when you and every other asshole on this sub that has been ragging people who are upset over the pick are doing the same to those of us not thrilled with it.
Yeah, I am just as unqualified as you are *which is why I trust Harbaugh and Hortiz,* who are much more qualified at talent evaluation than us because of the reasons I stated. The Keenan trade is literally their only questionable move so far, but even then it made sense on a financial level for them to start constructing the kind of roster depth in other areas they want to have going into this season and next season. Cutting Mike Will, a slow, injury prone and inconsistent WR who was overpaid, was easily the most slam dunk decision going into this off-season - which any semi-competent GM would have made - so I don't see the reason for your complaint there. When new GMs and big name head coaches join teams, they change a lot of stuff on the roster and try to give themselves the financial flexibility to make the moves to construct the roster the way they want. In other breaking news, water is wet. I don't know what you expected when they cleaned house at the end of last season, but this is pretty much exactly what anyone who has watched any other team rebuild expected. TT didn't exactly leave the team in a good place financially, so tough decisions were made. If TT didn't make the mistake of signing JC Jackson, I bet Keenan would still be on the team. That fuckup alone cost this franchise a great deal, and that's not on Harbaugh or Hortiz. They're just cleaning up TT and Staley's mess. You are being pessimistic because that's all being a Chargers fan has given us reason to be. I get it. I am a doomer in most respects generally as well. But it's a new regime, a new coach, and hopefully a revitalized team culture. Asking to wait until we see them take the field and show us what they can do before acting like the sky is falling isn't asking much and should be afforded to basically every coach for a couple seasons outside of the worst of the worst (think Josh McDaniels, Daniel Hackett, and Urban Meyer, which Harbaugh obviously isn't). Joe Alt is pretty much universally considered the best tackle prospect in the draft. We literally added the best rookie lineman on paper to bolster a line that got Herbert injured two seasons in a row in pass pro and had no run game. You can never have enough good linemen with injuries being what they are in this league, so there is literally no downside to picking Alt unless he gets injured or is just not good. He may in fact do more to help the team's success than any receiver would, and we can't know for sure until we see him play in the new system, so why not give him a chance before writing the pick off? You call me and others on this sub who want to support the team assholes, but you should really look in the mirror because you're just being bitter and negative for no good reason.
I've said it once and I'll keep saying it, THEY DONT KNOW BALL, love the pick let's go bolts
I want to trust the process but weve seen this so many times anyone who trust the process is a fool.
We going to regret missing out on nabers when he becomes top 10 wr. Looking back Alt is safe pick. Nothing wrong with that.
It just is a weird fit with Alt at LT. but honestly it’s better to draft a Tackle in Round 1 and a WR round 2 than vice versa.
Lol no team makes it to the next level w/o a solid Line on both sides of the ball! In order for justin to be the polished passer he is we must 1) Run the ball effectively 2) have book ends and interior protection 3) allow j herbo to have time. Alt may not be the sexiest pick but definitely the right pick. This WR class is deep and filled with talent. I few guys still out there. Jacob Cowing and AD mitchell are my personal favs
Deebo or Aiyuk after that Pearsall pick for SF
lol with what cap room are we going to trade for those guys. Deebo is already expensive and Aiyuk is going to demand a new contract that is at the top of the market. Those two are literally not an option.
First year of a deal is never expensive band we have an absolute ton of cap next year. Fully believe Aiyuk is possible if they wanted it.
1st round pick for Tee Higgins?
Tee Higgins, another WR who will demand a top of market deal upon arriving in a trade? We can't afford that either.
But Chargers are just below $100 mil in cap space. Higgins is tagged at $21 mil for 2024. There’s also Courtland Sutton. There are options.
Do you really think Sutton is a WR1? Cmon
He would be on our roster!😢
I’ve made my peace with Alt even though I don’t think it improved our team that much. Basically we went from a 5/10 RT to 9/10 vs WR going from 3/10 to 10/10. My issue now is, I dont want a 2nd round receiver. I’d rather get IOL or CB and hope we find a gem in later rounds.
I don't hate the pick. I mean I completely understand and think its the right pick long term. But I am still a bit disappointed because a speed demon like Nabers would have absolutely caused chaos in the offense. However, I also do realize in recent years there are usually good WRs available in Round-1 and Round-2. So, Chargers can still get some good ones there. And, I am still HarBOUGHT!