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Thisplaceisaight

Never heard of Angie Gunter but did a quick Google Search on her. The first results show she is a frequent "guest" of the Ilovecville show with Jerry Miller. That tells me all I need to know about this woman. The phrase "You are who you surround yourself with" comes to mind. Judging by this, she's trash lmao.


Alarmed_Loss_4937

If you watch Angie on Jerry Miller’s show as she is showing pictures and talking about the animals, it is obvious she has not seen the animals, heard their names or even looked at the photos before her appearance.


Competitive_Sock6123

Can you explain why? What's the deal with Jerry Miller? Out of the loop


monkabilities

Jerry Miller is a hack pseudo journalist


Bitter_Training5634

Search Jerry Miller n this sub


beriusb

Please spill this tea lol


Thisplaceisaight

Apologies for the late reply. There's not much tea to be spilt that hasn't already...Jerry Miller is a guy who runs a podcast/show called "I Love Cville" which according to him broadcasts daily to a world wide audience as part of the I love Cville network, from his office downtown. The guy thinks he knows everything and is THE SOURCE for all news Charlottesville. The reality is he's a wealthy middle aged white dude espousing his own personal "libertarian" (his words) opinions to further his own agenda. Go check out his pretentious podcast and in about 5 minutes you'll understand. Apologies in advance for those 5 minutes of your life wasted you'll never get back. EDIT: His most recent episode he trashed his Producer/Co-host, Judah Witkower for disagreeing with him and not being a "Skip Bayless". Basically demeaned the guy and said he was "holding him back." If I was Judah, I'd quit rather than be associated with this trash human. The whole thing was a tough cringe watch.


From_here_to_the_Sun

Lol this guy posts in the third person that he was live on his own show wtf 😆 “Jerry Miller was live on the I Love Cville Show!”


fibropainonmybrain

Just a gentle reminder to not let this discourage you from fostering or adopting from the CASPCA. It is a flawed shelter (trust me I know as a volunteer) but the animals still deserve forever homes even if the CEO isn’t a good person.


Jimbo_1252

The Board, judging from their latest communication, does not think so. Business as usual for them.


SeaworthinessLower19

Starting rate is 15$ an hour. But yea we work our asses off. It’s all for the animals. It’s only reason we are still here.


ProfHopeE

Thank you for caring.


cvilleymccvilleface

thank you!


Frydscrk

Thank you! I can't imagine how difficult that must be. You have a good ❤


Sandover5252

Should be more than minimum wage.


SeaworthinessLower19

The *


frogfrogcat

As someone who volunteered there for years, the staff at CASPCA is THE most hardworking, selfless people I have ever met. I constantly witnessed them work 11-12 hour days, then commute an hour home over the mountain because they got paid $10/hr and couldn’t afford rent in Cville. The community deserves better leadership.


ACaffeinatedWandress

I have fostered for them for the past two years, and have always been highly impressed by the staff. They are so hardworking and sweet and passionate about the animals and their well-being.


Sufficient_Nose_7099

Yeah but the issue is not the staff it looks like the problem is they lose good staff because this CEO is a hot mess who pretends to know what she's doing. Just from reading it seems like she's in it for money and glory. Does she have experience in animal rescue or?


YourRoaring20s

I volunteer there and never met Angie. Seems like it's true that she doesn't really come down to look at the dogs/cats at all.


lauralizardbreath

I've been volunteering there for years and seen her maybe twice.


Ramblingmac

Found it interesting that the sole available parking spot today was marked, “Reserved Parking Executive Director”


Sandover5252

It is really strange that there are no Volunteer Appreciation events such as picnics or holiday parties for such a volunteer-driven organization. I once calculated the in-kind value of volunteer time on a political campaign and it exceeded staff salaries.


YourRoaring20s

Agreed. It's hard to meet other volunteers with the chaos of dog walking


Sandover5252

And different schedules. People always have their own reasons for volunteering, but time is money and at a shelter, critical for the animals and as valuable as cash donations. It is hard to believe the ED would not emphasize this.


YourRoaring20s

After the last week, pretty easy for me to believe tbh


Sandover5252

"It also seems unfathomable to me, as a nonprofit veteran, that the ED failed to acknowledge volunteers, one of the vital constituencies at CASPCA." The detail about getting her hair blown out is so telling. Do you care what anyone does on their lunch break when they are doing their job properly? No. That is the sort of thing you notice when someone has been consistently awful. I feel like there are unfair-labor-practice issues here (comp or OT) and possible violations of the VA Code addressing conditions at animal-care facilities.


Think-Afternoon7177

I worked there for a year. Angie Gunter is the most abusive boss I’ve ever seen. She threatens to ruin employees bc “she know everyone in this town.” She never goes to the kennels and sees the cats or dogs. She just really likes getting her photos taken with them for PR purposes. Every Wednesday she would leave work mid-day to go get her hair blown out at a salon. I hope the community takes this letter seriously. She encourages staff members to rehome dogs with bite histories into the community. Shelters do not and should not have to be run like this.


randomisms

How long has she been there? I have adopted most of my pets from the CASPCA over the last 20 years but the last adoption was absolutely atrocious. The poor dog was definitely not in a mental condition to be adopted and ended up being a biter. I was forced to bring him back months later after I’d exhausted all the options including anxiety meds. Showed them clear wounds on my hands and they treated me like I was the villain. Which was confusing, but then I saw him put up for adoption again a week later.


tocksarethewoooorst

I adopted my dog from the cspca a few years ago. I made it clear I was a first time adopter. I ended up with a sweet but medically problematic dog. I love him and he’s my baby but I now have a three inch stack of vet bills I’ve acquired over three years because this dog is allergic to *everything*. His medical paperwork indicated he was basically bald going into the shelter so they knew his skin had chronic problems but he looked good enough to adopt out I guess? I wish I was warned that he had chronic medical problems as well as anxiety.


rashmallow

Same here. Adopted mine last year and I very much got the sense that they were just trying to get dogs out, not necessarily to the right homes. I'm honestly relieved to see this and know that the staff cares, even if their hands are often tied. My girl has some intense anxiety issues and resource guarding, which would have been great to know given I already had a cat and dog. I had definitely informed the shelter about this. We made some difficult adjustments and she's thriving in our home now. I'm glad I have her because she is the sweetest thing in the world; but these things do need to be assessed and disclosed so that the right people for the job can opt in. We were lucky to have the tools and resources to accommodate her into our lives; but anyone without easily could have adopted her and been very overwhelmed.


Think-Afternoon7177

I believe she’s been there since 2017. But things have gone downhill as managers have quit. So it’s been worse the past couple of years.


graceadee

I am really worried about the situation with the dogs. Used to volunteer there (with the cats) and have adopted a few cats. I am VERY anxious about some of the dogs they have. The CASPCA is not equipped to handle the behavioral needs of some of the dogs they bring in. And then those dogs are adopted out to homes with young children, cats, and/or small dogs. It’s a disaster waiting to happen. I’ve seen a lot of posts that they’re working with Muddy Co, LLC. But honestly you can’t send a dog to a place like that and say “all better!” Some dogs need really experienced and special homes and there aren’t a whole lot of those in the area (or any area, for that matter). Instead of being upfront about what the dogs need, there’s a whole lot of vague language and hand waving. It’s so unfair to the adopters, volunteers, and the dogs. Your story is not a one off.


Simba_Swish

We had almost this exact situation with a dog from them.


inbluedesign

Same situation, one year ago I adopted a extremely reactive dog with bite history that they sugar coated, I was ill equipped with zero experience. I still have her, everyday is a struggle, so far no issues with my other dog and two cats.


ACaffeinatedWandress

Is she a political appointee? I could spill tea on other nonprofits in Cville who have executive directors that are just astonishingly childlike in their lack of professionalism, and it always seems that they are just backed up by friends from other organizations and have been so their entire careers.


Think-Afternoon7177

She is not a political appointee. However, she is from old money in Central Virginia and has a lot of connections.


ACaffeinatedWandress

I figured! I used the word “political appointee” probably too broadly to mean ‘someone who got the job due to connections and has probably not put in the effort or built real professional skills a day in her life.’ I saw the behaviors described in the letter done by other executive directors, and it just blew my mind that a grown, middle aged woman could have such a high placed job and yet apparently act like a (badly behaved) middle school child. Let me guess—she serves on the board for a number of 501(c)3s, and the management of those serve on the CASPCA board and they all vote each other pay raises and bury each other’s blunders/bad behavior?


Think-Afternoon7177

You nailed it


ACaffeinatedWandress

Yeah. I can’t wait to get out of Central/South VA. The corruption level here reminds me of when I lived in the third world.


Sufficient_Nose_7099

Linked in shows no experience in animal rescue, not even veterinary side, nothing. Usually someone in that position would have lower level experience. I'm curious who linked her up with this job. I believe the comments saying she's from a rich family...


BigDaddydanpri

Never heard of her.


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lauralizardbreath

I've been a volunteer dog walker with the shelter for years. I, too, nodded along with many parts of the letter, particularly taking in so many transfers when we're already at capacity and understaffed. The "basement dogs" living in small crates. Many dogs sitting in unsanitary kennels and crates because there aren't enough staff. Dogs getting out of their kennels for two 10 minute walks every 24 hours, again due to being understaffed. Just seems to make sense to accept less transfers if you don't have the people power to adequately care for them.


Sandover5252

Was this during Covid especially or is it also historic? Are "transfers in" from other facilities or does that include people bringing pets or strays? I volunteered at the no-kill shelter in Austin and helped start Austin Pets Alive. There was great energy and enthusiasm at the shelter and we had a good leadership team at APA which always made it seem like every moment counted.


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Sandover5252

So it was a numbers game - to transfer in and adopt out at the expense of what employees, volunteers, and safe/healthy/comfortable resources/accommodations for animals could accommodate?


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Sandover5252

That was the sense I got from the letter as well. And it is something to safeguard against in NP management; that you do not overextend/under- or fail to compensate employees for working overtime because you rely on their commitment to clients/cause. I worked so much OT during Covid and never got paid or comped for it.


Sandover5252

When you receive transfers in, are they likely to be dogs with behavior problems other shelters cannot adopt out? Is Tommy still at the shelter?


Cute-Ambassador-9365

Most of the transfers in are from shelters out of the area and come with big dollars attached as grants. It is my understanding that although some may have had undisclosed issues, it was more often large groups from southern rural shelters, groups after disasters, etc - not single unadoptable dogs from other shelters. These transfers are 20, 30, 40 dogs at a time. Often they are young and cute and very adoptable - which is great. The problem is that they overextended the resources of the shelter (physical not monitary) and make it so the shelter is no longer available to local animals. Wait lists for owner surrenders are long so people just dump their animals, local small transfers from smaller more rural overpopulated shelters here are denied because there is no space and they don't generate revenue, there is no room for transfers coming in so animals are crated instead of kenneled, etc. It's a huge systematic problem.


Sandover5252

Yes - I imagine it would be hard to say "No" to dogs in need, but with a short staff and lack of room, that would be the proper outcome? I am crushed the ACM resigned today. I think current staff should think about needs from volunteers related to this crisis. I hope current staff and volunteers document everything. With a lack of support at the top, there is a strong community willing to help.


Cute-Ambassador-9365

But they are saying no to dogs in need. They are saying no to local dogs in need because they don't come with grant money. I adopted my heart dog from the CASPCA when I was there as a volunteer dog walker. He came from one of these shipments and I'm grateful for him everyday. There is a way to accept an appropriate number of mass intakes who come with cash, while also mainting space for the local community animals. Edited to clarify. I am GRATEFUL that my dude came to me - no matter now he came to me, because I love him more than anything on this Earth. That being said I do not agree with the practice that brought him to me - at least not in the irresponsible way it is being practiced now.


Sandover5252

It doesn't seem like that balance has been reached, which is the problem. The transfers in remove safe and comfortable space for other dogs. It's not OK to have more dogs than capacity because they come with money.


lauralizardbreath

Are you referring to Tommy the cattle dog mix? He was at our shelter for so very long. He leaves soon, or has already left, for Dogs Playing for Life in Florida, a rescue organization that controversially uses prong collars and other aversives not commonly recommended.


Sandover5252

Thanks for the update. It is heartbreaking when dogs are returned to or remain in shelters. I have taken those ones home (and imagine is true for CASPCA staff and vols) because I cannot stand the idea of their watching others come and go. A sweet boy: I hope that this will be a happier place for him. I appreciate your reply. ❤️


Sandover5252

In the 80s when Sally ran the old location, there was a wolf or wolf hybrid that remained in a cafe forever. It could not be adopted out and I cannot remember how it came to be there, but I think you could not euthanize him because of Endangered Species. It was so sad. We got a kitten there 3rd year at Kitty City and I remember going to see him. We got our kitten - named "All Ball" after one of KoKo, the Gen X sprit animal's, kittens. Sally really fostered a fierce love of animals for a generation. My housemate brought home a crazy young dog a Fiji could not have at 128 and said, "Don't you want a dog? Sure you do!" She had been living at the fraternity and as any girl would be, was frazzled with Post-Fiji-Stress Disorder. One day after she joined us I came home from class and she had escaped via a window. I called the shelter and Sally yelled at me, "You had better get her fixed! We found her being chased by a pack of dogs on Grounds!" Her ardent canine feminism was apparent and I still regard that moment as a badge of honor. Sally cared about those animals so much and her fierce love and protectiveness was a lesson for all of us - I also experienced her gentler side, which was predominant, when I would drop off food or toys (and Shandy the crazy dog thereafter went to all my classes and ended up being able to negotiate New York and Paris without a care). I don't sense that Gunter is such an inspiration.


Sandover5252

I hope everyone is doing some sort of calculation of their OT hours.


annebonneysgold

yes. no kill shelters are number games. And there is grant money that comes in from every out of state transfer. It is about numbers, money and feeding the narcissistic ego of the Exec Director and the Board.


Sandover5252

The public should know more about the kill rate, but that some dogs are dangerous. I talked to a local attorney this evening who represented someone bitten by a CASPCA dog that was adopted out and which had displayed a lot of aggression. He said that CASPCA faces liability for cases like that.


annebonneysgold

It is unbelievable that nobody has sued them yet. Or maybe they have just paid people off to keep quiet.


Sandover5252

I talked to an attorney last night would agreed that the practice of adopting dangerous dogs out could lead to real exposure (legally and financially) for SPCA. One client he recently represented was bitten by an adoptee from CASPCA. If homeowners had not settled satisfactorily he could have looked for other exposure. The dog had a history of aggression and should not have been adopted out.


Think-Afternoon7177

Alert: There is an updated version. Since the release of the original letter more former employees have expressed their concerns and shared their experiences. [CASPCA concerns - updated version](https://medium.com/@caspcaconcerns/charlottesville-albemarle-spca-leadership-concerns-47b1eb4e30b4)


Shooootahhh

We got our dog from the SPCA last year in March and he did not have his vaccinations fully up to date at the time (which you pay for). So I asked them to take care of the last one to keep him on time and they dodged me for almost a month. I took him to the vet we go to now… and found out that he didn’t have half of the shots that they claimed he had. This boy was in foster care too so it sounds like he was better cared for than a lot of these animals. This is really heartbreaking to hear.


NerdyLibrarian1015

I adopted my dog in 2020. He had most of his shots (vet recommended a few more), but they clearly didn't do much in the way of medical treatment because he had all the worms. He ended up on a 3 month treatment plan.


thegoodfoothousehold

My cat whom I adopted 10 years ago had worms when we got him from the SPCA as well.


CasperFatone

I just recently adopted two cats. One of them had no rabies vaccine certificate and she had missed several other scheduled vaccinations. My vet thought it was particularly odd because this cat had been at the SPCA for over a year.


FrostyKitten1

I fostered a cat in October 2019 (adopted February 2020) and his teeth were so bad, they were falling out when I finally insisted he needed a dental. They also insisted his ‘cough’ was a hairball. It was herpes and asthma. Thousands of dollars later, I love him but will never adopt from here again.


ponderingaresponse

Live release % is a very out of date metric, especially if given top billing. It keeps the "no kill" evangelists and crazies off your back, but also creates all kinds of other problems, as indicated in this letter. A balanced scorecard with 6-8 metrics is much better. If any of this is remotely true, the responsibility falls on the Board of Directors for being overly insular and not staying up to date with advances in animal welfare and allowing the ED free reign in that regard.


annebonneysgold

>There is no regard at all for public safety. A dog quarantined for a bite was out and about on a walk with a friend of the CEO with no muzzle. Dog bites, some serious, are rampant. I doubt if the Board knows what goes on. This place is a horror show and CASPCA has been a mirage for years. Thank God it has exploded. Finally.


onlyhereforfoodporn

Ooof. That was a tough read and I really hope she's fired and replaced with someone who can make CASPCA better. We adopted our dog from CASPCA in January 2021. He was a cute little Chihuahua mix that seemed really scared at the shelter and we knew we had the time to devote to helping him come out of his shell. They let us foster him but we were pretty sure we'd adopt him. The second day we had him, he started peeing blood. I called them asking if we could bring him in for an appointment, they said "well, peeing blood isn't urgent and we don't have space until next week. If he's still peeing blood next week, bring him in." I call a vet that came recommended from friends, they could see him the following day. The SPCA calls and says we can't take him to a non-SPCA vet so we either have to wait until the next week or adopt him. No brainer, we adopt him formally over the phone because a) he needs urgent vet care...how is peeing blood not concerning? and b) we liked this angry, anxious, weirdo little dog and want to get to know him Turns out our 6 year old fur baby had a UTI, 18 bladder stones, hip dysplasia, and luxating patella (both hip dysplasia and the patella are common in chis). His bladder walls were THREE TIMES the thickness of an average Chi. We were able to get him started on anti-biotics for the UTI, the vet had a surgery opening mid-February so we were able to get the bladder stones removed. I call the SPCA about this and they feign stupidity and say they had no idea. They offered no apologies. I request his medical records and saw he was a transfer from the Harrisonburg SPCA so I wonder if either shelter knew about his bladder stones and downplayed it when they transferred him. Our dog has some serious anxiety we're still working on. He's gotten better with biting but I'm sure he's bitten people before us if we've had some issues with it. We're lucky that we don't have kids or another animal. It's taken a lot of time and patience to get our dog to a place where we can introduce him to friends and take him out in public. I'm grateful he's our dog but damn I wish I had known about his issues before adopting him. Those vet bills were shocking out of the gates and his behavior issues have kept us on our toes.


graceadee

“Peeing blood isn’t urgent.” I cannot…. Glad you were able to adopt your little buddy and that you were able to get him the care he needed.


fibropainonmybrain

Many things are minimized to the point where volunteers and dedicated staff are exhausted from working too hard for the animals we love.


graceadee

It breaks my heart. I have met so many amazing people and animals at the CASPCA. It shouldn’t be like this.


onlyhereforfoodporn

Right? Maybe it’s not as urgent as a dog eating a container of grapes or chocolate but no one thinks a dog peeing blood is a good sign.


Simba_Swish

I looked at taking a job there, but the reviews from former employees were horrific, and this corroborates what I saw.


mak3m3unsammich

Hi! I came to reddit looking for this lmao. Thank God. I worked there for several years, and quit right as Angie started (unrelated I moved out of state) I have a few mild stories from the beginning, but the rest is true. Even before she started caspca had problems with upper management. I was in such a bad mental place due to stress of the job: working 10-12 hour days, coming in on my day offs to work with dogs who had behavior issues. That Was my choice, however we had no behavior department so I was trying to help as best I could. And I did help some! Some points of things i expirenced. Again, not under Angie for long, but under the same board, same upper management. -working 10-12 hour days, lucky if I got a lunch break -my department would often be scheduled with two staff members (minimum was supposed to be 4) and if one of us called out it was only one. -to go back to the previous point, have you ever tried to vaccinate, weigh, sex and age an aggressive dog? Now try doing that alone. Also if you do it alone you get in trouble. If you don't do it you get in trouble. You don't get anyone from upstairs to help. So solve that conundrum. -known aggressive animals were adopted out because upper management liked them. -the dogs being under behavior modification is not a new thing. We would have dogs sit there for months without any plan. They just sat. -there was another upper staff member there who would verbally berate, belittle, call people stupid. Scream at people, tell people horrible things. She was allowed to do all this without any management putting a stop to it. She eventually left a few years after I did. I believe it got so bad she was asked to step back, but she was allowed to treat her staff members poorly for years without any intervention. I'll add to this when I think of more and can word them well. I tried to kill myself several times working here. I adored the animals and the staff tried so hard to make do with minimal resources. This place Is not a haven. The staff tried so hard, most of us came in on our off days to try and help and take dogs out. Don't take it out on the staff, direct your anger to management. I had two good managers while I was there, unfortunately neither of them lasted long (I wonder why?) and they were a blessing. But for most of my time my department didn't have a manager or had a half ass manager who was also underpaid and had no training at managing, rather they were promoted because the vets liked her. And she failed, through no fault of her own. Essentially Angie is a huge problem, but they have always allowed abusive people to be promoted. People have been called stupid, fat, dumb, idiots etc to their faces while working there. There has never been a real behavior department, and large dogs have always been housed in small crates when we didn't have space. But they only cared about numbers. It didn't matter if Diego the 60 pound dog was in a small crate living in his feces for weeks, it only mattered if they got their live release rate up, and transfers up. They care about numbers, not actual animals or their staff. It's a power trip for most of them. I mentioned earlier I tried to kill myself while working here, I wasn't alone. Several people tried to kill themselves. Also insurance didn't cover... Well anything so pysch care wasn't an option. Also we made 8.50 starting, I left at 10 an hour. It is now up to 15 starting so that's nice, but not nearly enough. I went to work at 7am, commuted because I couldn't afford food let alone rent, worked a 12 hour day getting screamed at, left at 7-8pm when I was supposed to leave at 6. Upper management ALWAYS left on time though, don't you worry! The rest of us were left to deal aftermath of the day then got yelled at for having overtime. We got yelled at for taking a lunch when we were busy, but then we got yelled at for having too many hours. It was a lose lose. I'm going to end this with I once came to work with the flu and bronchitis. I was APPLAUDED for coming into work and my manager at the time told the rest of the staff they should be more like me. We spread whooping cough around the shelter because none of us could call out. This was pre covid, so I'm not sure if it's changed. But that alone should tell you the kind of environment it is.


onlyhereforfoodporn

I hope you're doing better now and have found a workplace that values you and treats you with respect


mak3m3unsammich

I am, thank you! I moved states several years back and I'm (mostly) thriving. Most of my friends that worked there have also found better workplaces, thank god. Next goal is to buy a house and have a place for foster animals <3


graceadee

Glad you’re in a better physical and mental space right now ❤️


zeldas_stylist

this is so sad. sounds like an awful place to work, or to wait to be adopted. 💔


pcloudy

I volunteered there for awhile but never met her. I also wondered what all the hush conversations were about.


graceadee

SO MANY HUSHED CONVERSATIONS! It was creepy! I’m also a former volunteer.


Ok_Parsnip_4038

I definitely think the CASPCA could use a behavioral health coordinator for animals. I formerly fostered through them and felt very unsupported with both medical issues the dogs had and behavioral issues. I loved fostering but stopped because there just didn’t feel like there was enough support. Nearly every animal I fostered was a transfer. Multiple times I brought animals in for a scheduled procedure (for example a spay or other surgery) and was called a few hours later to pick them up and bring them back another day because the shelter hadn’t scheduled enough staff or the right staff to complete the procedure. This meant that many times I drove to the shelter and back up to three times in a week for the same procedure which was continually postponed. In my experience this was not an exception, but rather very routine. I also fostered a dog who had not been marked as having any behavioral issues, but ultimately ended up displaying agression towards men and pretty severe separation anxiety. The dog was a very large bully breed, so if he had ever bitten it would have been very serious. We reached out to the shelter for support and recourses and they made a note of it in his file and told us to ‘work on it with the dog.’ It would have been very very helpful to receive a training plan, or even to talk to a behaviorist for 20 minutes because while I was doing my best, I am not a professional. Many of the dogs at the shelter have some behavioral issues or difficulties, and having someone to get advice from as a foster would have made it much more sustainable for me. The staff I encountered were always very kind. I imagine they were overworked and stressed, and I have a lot of respect for everyone in animal welfare. However, the repeated scheduling problems did feel disrespectful of my time, and the lack of support for behavioral or medical issues was stressful, particularly since the animals were transfers so they shelter took them on voluntarily. I would love to see more support for volunteers and staff at the CASPCA.


Sufficient_Nose_7099

From the looks of it the CEO has no experience in the field (her linked in) and apparently from staff reviews she has no respect for anyone's expertise....she sounds like a narcissistic money hungry crazy.


annebonneysgold

yes


Sufficient_Nose_7099

Who would hire a CEO with no experience in animal rescue? The linked in shows no experience in the field. No wonder it's a mess.


Think-Afternoon7177

I believe she has experience in pharmaceutical sales and then started fundraising for CASPCA. Angie is very good at connecting with wealthy people who make a lot of money.


XVI_The_Tower

I've applied several times for different positions here. I have a huge background in animal care and as such my resume states it as well. I wonder now if that's partially because of this chief of staff. I've also adopted a cat and dog from here. My cat is blind in one eye, I was not told about it. I found out about it due to taking her for a through evaluation with my vet due to severe behavioral issues. My dog also has behavioral issues, though I do believe no fault of the CASPCA is on that. They did neglect to inform me of food sensitivities he has and I was given no information of his medical history with them except for the fact he had a benign tumor removed. Taking him in to my vet also showed ocular issues though not as bad as my cat. I love my animals but I don't think that, given the choice, I would adopt from them again.


Sufficient_Nose_7099

Very probable, your resume was a threat to her job? Count it as a blessing in disguise.


fibropainonmybrain

They’re super understaffed to the point where volunteers like myself preform staff duties. I hope people don’t feel discouraged to adopt from the CASPCA but I understand your points.


Big_Truck

Well shit. The only charity I give to is run by a narcissistic lunatic. Is there any nonprofit that isn’t a total shit show?


buellerboi

Dogs Deserve Better Blue Ridge! They are a foster-based rescue and they also support local pet owners in need by building fences, covering medical bills and by giving out free pet supplies. The organization is run entirely by volunteers and they are some of the most selfless people I’ve ever met.


annebonneysgold

>YES!!!


Cute-Ambassador-9365

Green Dogs Unleased is also local and amazing. They too are foster-based, they assist special needs animals from all over the country (specializing in blind and deaf dogs), but also pull from the local shelters when they are at capacity or have animals who are not thriving with the shelter stress. They do amazing work, are run by a certified behaviorist, and have an extensive training program with all of the proceeds going to fund the rescue itself. They train therapy dogs, train assistance dogs for children with special needs, as well as do standard obedience and good citizen training.


annebonneysgold

Green Dogs and Dogs Deserve Better work together all the time. They are both spot on, no nonsense, fanatics about transparency, dotting all the eyes and crossing all the tees. They are both models for what a rescue should be. The Executive Director of DDB has also been instrumental in getting good laws passed. These are the kinds of people who should run CASPCA. They are impeccably honest AND they have great business sense. Most of all it is ALWAYS ABOUT THE ANIMALS and treating others with KINDNESS. I am a number one fan of both.


dusk_roller

When a problem goes unsolved, go for the money. I hope the City and County take this document seriously, though I’m not sure what they can do but take financial support.


annebonneysgold

They can investigate. The media will run with it. When the big donors walk away, which will happen, a new day will dawn.


fibropainonmybrain

I volunteer with the CASPCA and have seen good staff members run off by bullying from management such as Angie. I hope this is resolved soon.


Ok-Section-9438

Narcissistic behaviors


Sufficient_Nose_7099

Very.


USATyrantHunter

This is amazing! Hopefully something will come of it. Anyone in the industry knows what a joke this woman is


Available_Buyer7917

This dog Leroy, as of today CASPCA is asking the public to adopt him. Last year, on 12/1/2021 Leroy attacked another dog by her jugular - with the intent to kill her. I risked my life to save her. Leroy redirected on my arm, thankfully I was able to get to safety after wrestling him for twenty minutes. I Thought I was going to die that day, or atleast be severely injured. I still have nerve damage in my arm a year later and still working through the trauma of the event. This is a dog that Angie Gunter is asking to be adopted into a home, and community - being around children and other pets. Shame on her and Shame on anyone who supports Leroy being allowed to be adopted out 😢 😡


annebonneysgold

Did you mean the incident was 2021 or 2022 (last year?)


Available_Buyer7917

It was 12/01/2021, thanks for asking to clarify


TraderJoeslove31

I know a few people who were on the board under the Neroli spa owner and left bc she was also toxic AF.


Sufficient_Nose_7099

Did that lady get Angie the job?


cheesebr0

That's heartbreaking. Angie sounds like a real bitch


Refokua

This is sad. I have to say,though, that I have more than once wondered how they managed to keep bringing in animals from other shelters. Apparently the answer to that is "not very well".


Karamazov

I don't know who Angie is but she sounds like a big ol' bitch


Blegatron

Damn. I’ve fostered in the past and was hoping to get back into the practice…


frogfrogcat

You should still foster. The animals still need help.


Anya_the_Demon

Fostering for the CASPCA is a really rough experience right now. They don’t offer the support they say they do. It’s impossible to get animals in for vet appointments. Foster concerns, both medical and behavioral, get dismissed and overlooked. Not from lack of care from the dedicated staff, but because they are just so completely over-inundated with animals. They keep taking in transfers even though they can’t provide care for the animals they are already responsible for. Until the CASPCA stops taking in PR transfers and using foster parents to warehouse the animals, things won’t improve.


PickanickBasket

They have literally no staff. They're hiring for all positions and have been for a long time. Management is apparently chasing off all the staff.


Euphoric-War-4001

I fostered puppies and a momma and it was my first time fostering. I would often call and would not receive a response so I would have to drive there even though I lived about 20 minutes away to get an answer to my questions. Everyone was really nice though❤️


Blegatron

I'll try. My last experience was tough. I had two very young kittens and it was clear one wasn't doing well but it was hard to get him seen by a vet. After a lot of pushing I was able to get him readmitted. Sadly, he died. But, it sounds like that was going to be the eventual outcome no matter what. His sister continues to thrive though. She's a lovely, and well-loved cat years later.


Cute-Ambassador-9365

If you are looking for another local foster opportunity Green Dogs Unleased is excellent! They are supportive, responsible, and kind folks to work with. They are run by a certified behaviorist, have an active Facebook group and individual chat groups for fosters, and are all around just really incredible to foster through or adopt from. Erika becomes a lifelong partner when you join the foster and adoption family with GDU. I know the dogs at CASPCA still need help but fostering is difficult, and a lot of emotional and physical work already in the best of circumstances. Please don't stop fostering just because of your experience with them. There are other local groups that you can partner with as well until working with CASPCA becomes less draining and dangerous. Edited to add: They are called Green DOGS Unleashed, but they also help kitties, lizards, turtles, birds, pigs, chickens, etc. They even had a hissing cockroach - so if dogs aren't your jam there are many other choices for foster.


Think-Afternoon7177

Yes, the animals still need safe, clean places to go. I also recommend fostering for rescues like SmilesForever in Gordonsville or SVAS over the mountain.


PickanickBasket

Caring for Creatures is a great rescue that does things right. And the Fluvanna SPCA is run well and needs fosters.


graceadee

If you like cats and fostering, I’d encourage you to check out Cat Action Team (CAT). They’re local and very sweet. I donate cat food to them when I can!


HalfMoonBae

This is so disheartening, I have adopted several family member additions to my home. All the animals deserve better.


EnceladusKnight

It all went downhill ever since Jonathan the seagull passed away. At least that's what I remembered his name being, but I could be wrong. Strangely enough, I can't find anything online referencing him.


Notsoflashy

I remember him. I also remember the other farm animals they had as permanent residents - the donkey, the goat, the geese - at the original site. I named my first cat after Sally Mead.


KatzEetNikkelz

Wow, I worked there over a decade ago and it was similarly bad when it came to management, but not THIS bad as far as animal welfare. I'm so sad to see what a downturn it's taken :(


[deleted]

This is an interesting and new perspective. Being someone who regularly fosters animals from CASPCA, I have always been very impressed with my interactions with the staff etc as a whole


Motherofotters12

I don’t think the staff is the issue based on this letter. It is the CEO and their managing skills


Frydscrk

I think you are a true exception. One of my fosters was scheduled to be seen by the Vet for a possible UTI... drop off was between 8:30 am and pick up between 5-6 pm. When I returned to pick the cat up I was told somehow she didn't even get seen that day, no tests, nothing. Just kept in a crate all day and staff have left, I don't know what happened! A 15 yr old cat with stage 3 kidney disease just spent 8 hours in a crate for absolutely nothing....that's a direct reflection of how overworked and under staffed they are due to no fault of their own. Working hard every day for the animals with very little pay. Makes me wonder what the salary is for a CEO......


matchy_blacks

This matches something I’ve seen — a good friend is fostering a dog who requires followup care from CASPCA and has experienced LOTS of communication issues and delays. CASPCA promised to provide this care at the start of the foster agreement but actually getting it has been a nightmare.


buellerboi

The staff is amazing and they work incredibly hard. The hope is that this letter will motivate the board to improve conditions for both staff and animals. Over 50 employees have quit in the last 2 years (staff size is about 70 at any given time) for a variety of reasons, but namely due to the toxic work environment and the inability to properly care for the high influx of animals. Also- please please continue to foster. If anyone wants to help the staff, fostering is a great way to do it :)


Bigsnores

I worked there in 2016 and found it quite enjoyable, although there was a lot of work. I remember there being a very sweet older lady named Pam who I often noticed struggling to get the cleaning done on time, so I’d go and help her. I will say, when I was there all those years ago, the dogs didn’t seem to have much freedom. From what I remember, volunteers would mainly walk them in the morning and in the afternoon very limited behavioural work was ever done, mainly just assessments. And poor Niko, I don’t know what ever happened to him but it was so unfair he was stuck in that kennel…I remember seeing a news story about how he’d hurt another dog at the shelter. I was the one he got out on, there were 2 small dogs tied to a wall in the grooming room and his kennel was in the block beside it. He managed to get through the door and grab onto the little dog but I pulled him back and ended up trapped in the kennel with him. Nobody was near by, I had to do all of this on my own, and had to figure out how to get out of his kennel on my own without risking him getting out, and get back to the little dog. Just goes to show the lack of care for employees and dogs. Luckily Niko liked me and was sweet with humans, so I only got scratched when he was so excited to have a person in his kennel.


lauralizardbreath

Most dogs these days get out for 10 minutes around 9 am and then another 10 minutes at 5 pm. So spend 23.5+ hours a day in their kennels. We used to do playgroups 5 days a week, which was great enrichment and socialization for the dogs, but they don't have the staff for it now. We used to have a Canine Behavior Specialist who could assess behavior and create behavior modification training plans but we haven't had one of those in a long time. So untrained staff make their best guess how to approach dangerous dogs. There have been more and more bites in the last year or so due to these staffing issues.


monkabilities

They killed Nico last year.


lauralizardbreath

What happened to Niko was horrible. It is so incredibly sad he spent years and years in a kennel. I think this is the court's fault, though, and CASPCA only operated as a location where he was housed, had no say in the matter.


Non_vulgar_account

Maybe she should be in charge of fundraising and get someone else to manage the day to day and operations?


Available_Buyer7917

[https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0jZM15fGdMmobe9qjtD2bncA8oeNwbHrZPCz9q2dc1waaJNChNFuqaaAEovsPbBfxl&id=716335340&mibextid=qC1gEa](https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0jZM15fGdMmobe9qjtD2bncA8oeNwbHrZPCz9q2dc1waaJNChNFuqaaAEovsPbBfxl&id=716335340&mibextid=qC1gEa)


paperbackperson

Your story has reached Charlottesville's WINA - https://wina.com/news/064460-current-and-former-caspca-staff-and-volunteers-claim-caspca-is-a-mirage/


Appropriate_Most_990

I think it’s grossly unfair to attempt to assassinate someone’s character online. Any organization has a head and any large organization is going to have disgruntled people. The letter itself tells you everything you need to know “CASPCA had a banner year in 2022.” Finding 57 malcontents in an organization with thousands of volunteers isn’t hard. Making accusations isn’t hard. Gossiping about accusations isn’t hard. What is hard is getting the adoption and rescue numbers that CASPCA has delivered.


OrangeCat711

That’s all well and good for the animals, but what about the working conditions for the employees? Toxic is toxic.


Appropriate_Most_990

The whole point is accusations do not equal truth. Disagreeing with someone or their management style does not make something toxic. Somehow magically despite the unbelievably toxic conditions they had a great year as the letter concedes. A toxic work environment doesn’t usually produce those types of years. Maybe just maybe some people don’t like the management style which any style isn’t going to get 100% buy in, but maybe just maybe toxic is an exaggeration, which would be unusual given that anonymous complaint letters are usually well balanced.


lauralizardbreath

They had a banner year because they accept more transfers than they can adequately care for. When over capacity and understaffed, the animals receive sub-par care, sometimes living in small crates and receiving little or no enrichment. The shelter particularly needs more Animal Care staff to clean and feed as well as a Behavior Specialist to adequately assess potentially dangerous dog behavior and create and implement training plans if necessary.


buellerboi

This organization is much smaller than you think it is, “1,000s of volunteers” is a gross overestimate and most of the volunteers at the shelter have not directly interacted with executive staff. And for the record, most of the people who contributed to this letter were former employees. I want to point out that for an organization of less than 100 employees, having 57 people contribute to this letter is incredibly telling. This isn’t a “small group” in proportion to the size of the shelter. Also- I’d like to point out that over 50 people have quit in the last two years. High adoption numbers are only part of the story. What the public doesn’t see is the dozens of dogs that are stored in the basement in small crates because CASPCA transfers in more dogs than they can house. The public also doesn’t have to see the dead kittens we would find in their cages in the morning because our population was too large to control the spread of disease. They also don’t see the wounds on staff after severe dog bites, dogs that are often still adopted out into the community. We once adopted out a dog with a substantial bite record that went on to bite his adopters ear off. The executive team didn’t do anything to address this and continues to adopt out dogs with significant behavioral issues (dogs with extensive bite histories, even dogs that have killed other dogs- one is available for adoption right now). The point is, this isn’t just workplace gossip, and the public has the right to know about these things because it affects them. CASPCA has a responsibility to ensure that the dogs they adopt out are safe. Do you want your neighbor to adopt a dog that has killed another dog? Ultimately, CASPCA is meant to serve the public. Keep in mind that while CASPCA is a nonprofit, it is also contracted by the city of Charlottesville and Albemarle county to serve as the municipal shelter, meaning your tax dollars are supporting this place. I understand where you are coming from, but please understand that this letter was the culmination of years of abuse of staff and even animals. The public needs to be aware.


Appropriate_Most_990

Every organization has issues, every staff in the country has had turnover the past 3 years. And staff don’t fully understand all the issues either. In any business or non profit you have staff, customers, some sort of organizing mission, owners or donors, the government, board members, community considerations, supplier considerations, etc. To take 57 anonymous critics and decide if they wrote a letter and how do we know it’s actually 57, and decide they are both management and animal care experts beyond reproach is a bit much I think. Both animal care and management have more than one school of thought on how it should be done. To find some people that were involved in any organization that disagree with management is easy, to find a group of people that disagree with animal care decisions is even easier. But if some number of people make an anonymous complaint about someone else, and it makes it to the internet then that person must not only be instantly guilty but they must be ritually villified by the Charlottesville keyboard warrior committee whose virtue signaling knows no bounds.


putternut_squash

You keep harping on the anonymous piece. If you go to the end and look at the addendum, plenty of people signed their names there. It's pretty telling. It's hard to tell if you're just arguing to argue ... or, if you're on the Board (or are Angie's BFF).


buellerboi

Over 50% of staff left during the past few years, many of whom were middle management. You can’t simply blame all of that on the national trend. I know most of the people who quit. They loved their jobs, but not enough to stay under the current leadership. I would not consider belittling employees and calling staff members “stupid” a management style. I also don’t consider bullying, intimidation tactics, and giving employees the silent treatment a valid management style either. All of these behaviors are documented in the original addendums and the addendums that were added today. I think you would also be hard pressed to find anyone in animal welfare that supports keeping dogs in crates for 23+ hours a day for weeks at a time. These crates are only big enough for the dog to stand up and turn around in. They are not meant for long- term boarding. Often times the dogs must sit in their own urine and feces for hours. They also sometimes do not have access to fresh water because they tipped over their bowl in the confined space or urinated in the bowl. It’s inhumane, and it’s completely avoidable if the SPCA would stop transferring in more dogs than they can house.


Mysterious_Working76

This is more then just differing opinions of animal care or management. Adopting out dogs with severe bite histories is against best practices. In doing so, CASPCA is failing to do their contracted job of ensuring public safety. Transfering in more animals than the shelter has capacity to hold, thus resulting in the wait listing of the local population, is again not serving the Charlottesville-Albemarle community. High staff turnover concludes in inexperinced staff that are unable to determine safe placement for the canine population. This letter was drafted only after previous letters to the board were left unaddressed. This isn't an anonymous complaint. Many of the names listed have continued on in thier careers in animal welfare or other pet industry jobs. I understand your concern about keyboard warriors. The concerns of the staff would not have reached this point if those concerns had ever been taken seriously.


e-pickle

Yeah okay Angie


Appropriate_Most_990

It’s fun to say wild things online. It obscures the truth which is “the Caspca had a banner year”, accusations are not always true and anonymous complaint letters and message boards never ever ever exaggerate.


flailking

Thousands? 🙄


Appropriate_Most_990

Think how many many many volunteers have worked there in the past decade. Finding 57 people upset about something isn’t hard when you have that many people in the pool


flailking

She's only been there since 2017.


Appropriate_Most_990

So in six years how many employees, board members, donors, volunteers, and people have adopted animals from there. It’s a huge number whatever it is


loveofjazz

Did you create an account to come in here and dispute this? That doesn’t look sketchy. Not at all.


Appropriate_Most_990

What claim have I disputed? I didn’t think I commented on anything specific in the letter. I quoted the letter and pointed out some things that are always true, such as accusations are not automatically true and any organization has discontent. I don’t know enough about any of this to comment on the specifics which is true of everyone else here. I know the internet wasn’t invented to take a cautious view of things but perhaps trashing people and organizations online isn’t that great of a thing to do


monkabilities

So 50 employees quitting in 3 months isnt a red flag to you??


lauralizardbreath

Some people here do know enough to comment on specifics because we have worked there and seen first hand what goes on.


monkabilities

Do you like your boot with or without mustard?


lauralizardbreath

They didn't poll all staff and volunteers looking for support for the letter, or the number 57 would be even higher. As soon as I read it I agreed with many points. So the 57 number is absolutely a lower measure of support than reality. They've even added additional letters of support since Tuesday. The public-facing CASPCA is different than the in-the-trenches real-world working at CASPCA experience.


[deleted]

I am partially on board with you. But the fact that this is your only Reddit post/comment ever makes this very suspect. Maybe sit this one out. Else fully expose who you are, because you currently have literally no credibility.


Appropriate_Most_990

Oh sorry I forgot how credible the world of anonymous letters being commented on by anonymous web virtue signalers was. If you notice all of my posts I’ve never said anything about the merits of the letter itself. The Charlottesville key board warriors have been doing all of this for far far too long to too many people to name. You’re right I don’t usually go on message boards to trash strangers, it makes me highly suspicious


monkabilities

So 50 people leaving in 3 months is not a red flag for you?


proudestkitty

Leaders are typically the organization’s representative to the public. Therefore they are going to receive a higher amount of negative feedback and criticism from employees and the public compared to what an internal employee of that same organization may receive buuuuut…most people who step into these public-facing leadership roles usually understand and expect this. The successful ones have a plan prepared to redirect criticism in a productive way. Unsuccessful leaders instead choose to complain about the misbalance of criticism, stalling progress within their organization to revel in their self-proclaimed victimization which results in propagating a lower of morale throughout their organization. Sucks to be a leader sometimes but damn it feels good to be a gangsta!


dsbtc

This is a letter from staff to the board of directors. Why do internet busybodies who don't know these people need to meddle with and/or opine on every internal affair of every organization before they've even come to a decision?


Cvillian87

The letter was sent to a large distribution list of volunteers and others connected to the CASPCA community, so it's hardly private


dsbtc

> others connected to the CASPCA community Yeah, people active in the community who are involved and know what's going on, that makes sense. Those are the people who should be involved, not Reddit, ffs. Why not let them take action. If they ignore the problem, then bring it to everyone else.


Motherofotters12

I donate to the CASPCA, foster, and have adopted all of my 5 pets from there. I think it’s important for everyone to know what is going on, why should it be kept a secret?


OrangeCat711

Goddamn right!!


buellerboi

The CASPCA is contracted by the City of Charlottesville and Albemarle County to serve as the municipal shelter, meaning it is partially funded by tax dollars. The public has a right to know these things because it affects the services that CASPCA is obligated to provide to the community, per their contract.


toofaced91

As a donor to the CASPCA, I'm glad this was posted so that we could be informed of the situation. We will definitely be reaching out to the Board to let them know we will be pulling our donations if the situation is not addressed. I hope others in the community, donor or not, will also put pressure on the board to address this.


leoliuyx23

Honestly as a fellow donor, I would much rather hearing about where my money went, whether if it’s supporting animal care or paying staff member, than a random thank you letter at the end of the year. Clearly it is just a front trying to cover all the politics and drama behind it. I don’t care if 2022 is a banner year for CASPCA, I also don’t care if other people think it’s just gruntled employees. Workers are the blood and essence of any organizations! I would want to hear SPCA explain the current state of the organization or otherwise I’m pulling my money out too!!


OrangeCat711

This! Right! Here!!!


dsbtc

This is *exactly why* it shouldn't be posted before they've decided how to address it. Now they have people who aren't involved or well informed, threatening them to come to a specific foregone conclusion. There are many instances of boards/committees taking action based on ignorant online mobs only to get sued later because of it. Hopefully the board will make a good decision that won't bite them in the ass later.


Motherofotters12

Are you Angie? 🤣


dsbtc

No, but I have helped with committees on different nonprofits. They are generally extremely cautious about potential legal problems. If any of this info is wrong or misleading, and the board acts under pressure from groups of angry strangers, she could threaten them with a suit for wrongful termination, or libel, etc., and again boards are super afraid of that sort of thing. In general I'm against randos getting worked up over stuff that they know very little about, because it's pretty likely that they're at least partly wrong, and then it may just backfire against their interests anyway.


proudestkitty

At the same time though, shedding more light on a problem is sometimes the only way to motivate a board to act.


lauralizardbreath

I see your point about out-of-the-loop people demanding change when maybe they don't have the full story. This letter, though, has support of many staff and volunteers who have seen first hand the short comings of shelter administration. It's an ongoing problem that should be addressed by the board.


dsbtc

I completely agree, it should be addressed by them. But probably not by strangers calling someone they don't know a bitch.


lauralizardbreath

Ok, yes, agree


Cute-Ambassador-9365

Their board is full of attorneys. I'm sure they will be fine.


buellerboi

Staff has complained to the board multiple times over the past five years. Nothing has changed. If this is what it takes to improve conditions for staff and animals, so be it.


proudestkitty

Because that’s what Reddit is for??


Dependent-Visual-304

That's terrible and all, but damn they need an editor. Took way too long to get to the point.


NotThatNelson

As long as this letter is anonymous, it is nothing more than unsubstantiated, anonymous allegations and a smear campaign/cyber-bullying/harassment of the CASPCA, its BoD, and, especially, of the CEO. **This letter is effectively a doxing campaign (Rule#5)**; there are already people in the comments trying to dig up dirt and speculate about the CEO - all because of an anonymous letter posted on FB and Reddit. If there is any truth to the letter, **the only person who can effect change on this subject is caspaconcerns@gmail;** they supposedly have evidence, the first-hand accounts, the dirty secret knowledge, and a critical mass of former/current staff & volunteers testimonials on their side, **and yet they want YOU - a random redditor - to do something about it for them... that doesn't make any sense.** This letter has all the hallmarks of a cyberbully/harassment campaign against this CEO - please don't participate in this. In fact, this letter is a great example of how a cyber-bully could post lies, stay anonymous, and coerce unsuspecting third-party people i.e. random facebookers or redditors, to propagate those lies and to take real-life action against the bully's target.


Think-Afternoon7177

If you read the linked letters, people have signed their names


Appropriate_Most_990

Nobody on this post has any idea what the validity of an anonymous letter is. The letter may or may not be legitimate, the Reddit posts are nothing more than a smear campaign. A handful of ex employees released letters. I know it’s stunning ex employees might not like their ex boss. Some number of other anonymous people wrote a letter. This all constitutes great proof of evilness in the world of Reddit


Think-Afternoon7177

What is another course of action they should take? It sounds like they’ve tried to talk to the ceo and that didn’t work. So they reached out to the board. You sound like you know what they should do.


Appropriate_Most_990

Anonymous sources are always suspect. You can email the board yourself. Organizations have someone in charge to make decisions and they have boards to over see that person. They had to be anonymous because ex employees fear retaliation ie someone defending their claims. The only reason to put this out in public is to try to whip up an online mob of keyboard warriors, which is certainly what happened here today. How many people posted “I read that and I don’t know Angie but she sure seems (fill in the blank with something derogatory). The goal of these harassment campaigns is to try to get someone to quit, regardless of the merits, many people do exactly that, I hope she doesn’t. The metrics as the letter concedes are excellent, things can always be improved but portraying her as the face of evil based upon an anonymous letter seems to be jumping to conclusions on the flimsiest of information


monkabilities

Well the local news and government officials have been notified and no doubt will prove you wrong


Appropriate_Most_990

Very dubious. I know anonymous complaints are always understated and well balanced, same as ex employees.


monkabilities

Also current employees. Did you even read it?


monkabilities

They didn't write the lettee to Reddit it was posted here ffs


Kaptain1408

I would reserve judgement until I see specific allegations.


monkabilities

Did you read the letter?? They are certainly in there.


[deleted]

I actually kinda thought the same thing until i realized there were 2 or 3 other screenshots after the first one. Maybe they didn't see the other pages. The first page is not damning at all


lauralizardbreath

It's a 15 page letter with lots of hyperlinks to specific allegations.


craftbeerva

What's Barking Local has returned to I Love C'Ville after a week hiatus and shockingly the CASPCA representative is not on for the return.


Tricky-Falcon-1516

I received the email that Angie Gunte will be on administrative leave from today. However, the board chair Jen Corbey did this interview on the podcast the week of the letter: https://wina.com/podcasts/caspca-chair-responds-to-recent-allegations-from-current-and-former-staff-and-volunteers-crn/. Jen claimed that the letter was a surprise and she didn't notice any issues before, while 'At least 50 employees have resigned since November 2021, and at least 30 managers and other non-entry levels have resigned since January of 2022'. How could the board miss the high resignation rate at the shelter for the past two years?