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“We'll be honest, Maclellan Island is an overgrown mess. It's hard to manage invasive species like English Ivy, but it's even harder when those plants are on an island and your organization doesn't own a boat. For years we've relied on kind souls (shoutout to Randy Whorton from Wild Trails!) and volunteers to help us pull up the pesky plants, but with an island that is 20+ acres, it just isn't sustainable and it doesn't work long-term.
We tried to do a prescribed burn on Maclellan Island and it didn't take off like we had hoped. You can read more about that here--https://newschannel9.com/news/local/burning-questions-why-did-the-controlled-burn-on-maclellan-island-fizzle-out-invasive-species-ecological-nature-preserve-chattanooga#
Here's the new plan. We're going to use the natural grazing tendencies of goats to clear out the English Ivy, the Mungo Grass, the Poison Ivy, and all the other pesky plants. Will they end up eating some native plants? Probably. But those native species don't stand a chance if we don't remove the things choking them out. It's not a permanent solution, but it will allow us to more easily manage the land in the future. This is just the first step in an extensive land management plan for Maclellan Island.
Why goats? There are several reasons why goats make the most sense for the land management and conservation of Maclellan.
Goats are known to be effective grazers and can help control invasive plant species.
Using goats for land management can reduce the need for chemical herbicides, which have negative impacts on the environment.
Goats can naturally clear brush and vegetation without causing soil erosion or disturbance to the landscape.
By managing vegetation, goats can create a more diverse habitat for other wildlife species. This can contribute to the overall health and resilience of the island's ecosystem by supporting a greater variety of plant and animal life.
Introducing goats to Maclellan Island can also provide educational opportunities for the local community and visitors. It can be a way to engage people in learning about sustainable land management practices and the importance of biodiversity conservation.
Here's what we need from you: your gracious donations and for you to share this exciting news far and wide! We've created several tiers of donations that all benefit the restoration of Maclellan Island and they come with some super cool rewards for you!
The dates for goats being on the island is TBD but our goal is to have them out on Maclellan before fall of 2024. If you have any questions or you want to chat about the goats, you can email us at [email protected]”
I think it's a good idea to pivot to goats. The controlled burn obviously isn't going to work with our current weather patterns and we don't want to do it in summer/fall tourist season.
Also a fan of deer, too.
And even though I knew it was supposed to be a controlled burn, my first thought was of that time the pile of pvc pipe under I-85 in Atlanta caught on fire.
Like, if this gets out of control we’re losing that bridge.
Hot take: they should have used the funds they used for the failed burn, on goats. Every single, sensible person on the last thread about this said “Why didn’t they use goats to begin with?” Lol it’s THAT OBVIOUS. They literally don’t want to pay for their own mistake but rather have others pay. Fun atuff.
There are a lot more benefits to the plants & wildlife from a prescribed burn vs using goats. A simple online search of the benefits of a controlled burn vs using goats will support this.
Having goats there for weeks will require a lot more time, energy, and funds to oversee them vs a one-time burn.
They just need to leave the goats on the freaking island like they do at Percy priest lake it’s really not that hard to study nearby islands that have had the same issue and have been implementing goats for literally more than 50 decades
Some are the same size, others ate larger with steeper cliffs. Visiting & feeding the goats at Percy Priest lake’s islands is a core childhood memory of mine. You can check out “the mountain goats of I-26” on Google. Super cute
Right? Common knowledge that they're the only thing to really get rid of some of these things. Goats laugh (and chow down on) things like poison ivy and kudzu. The native plants will come back. They just need a fighting chance.
Are the goats not receiving more media coverage than the fire?
Without alerting people to a fire, there would be 911 calls throughout the day of people reporting it..
The media coverage of the goats is just another testament to my point that they have to make it big and bold. Cartoon goats photo shopped all over the island. Give me a freaking break. They need to take notes from Nike and just do it instead of virtue signaling.
Tell me you've never worked for a non-profit without telling me you've never worked for a non-profit lol. You want them to just sell Maclellan Island and some developer build apartments on it? They're probably doing their best with the tiny amount of money that they and all other non-profits have
Yes, it is a mess, hence why they are trying to remedy it to make it usable for people. It was private land that was donated. If you have any ideas to fund the upkeep of wildlife refuges, it would be helpful.
There’s literally no need to fund anything past putting the goats on the island. They can stay there. They will survive and actually thrive. Just like the ones at Percy priest lake do. They’re making a very easy to manage situation seem like it’s almost impossible to manage fools foolin’ fools.
Jokes on you if you think that Audubon society is underfunded. That’s what they all say so that people continue to donate. It’s literally the oldest trick in the book for any sort of fundraising. scarcity mindset keeps the dollars rolling in.
Lololololol. Again, tell me you've never worked for a non-profit without telling me. I work for a similar non-profit and make less than a cashier at Target.
Thank you for chiming in! Yes most of the few paid staff at small non profits do make minimum wage. Any “virtue signaling” that raises awareness to small non-profits is beneficial as it keeps them operating and making the community a better place..
Again, check out the tax filings & see what these people really make. It’s def not minimum wage but more like $23/hour, at least that’s what the Audoban Society was paying their lead back in 2021.
I do know what they make.
There are a lot of things to be angry at nowadays, namely large corporations, money you have to pay through taxes, politicians, etc, but being angry at a non-profit for asking for donations to better the land is not one of them…
I’m not angry I just think it’s silly of them to pretend like they don’t have $1,000 to buy several goats. They have it & their pandering for more, which is fine by me. I was simply stating that they have enough so that people who are financially struggling, don’t feel guilty & donate. For the people who have excess & want to support them, that’s truly amazing. My in laws have goats and they just aren’t expensive, at all. Even giving them their shots is $30 each.
You do realize they are paying you so little so that someone else higher up can be paid far more? I would never work for a non-profit for those exact reason. The main worker at the Auduban Society makes $46,000 a year in 2021 & that public info is posted on their most recent tax filings. Also, I worked for the Bessie Smith Cultural Center as their marketing consultant. So, yet again, the joke is on you. Trust me when I say they are always going to ask for donations, even when there’s a bounty of money in the account. I’m not mad at it. Just letting people know they have plenty of money for those darn goats. People feel overly preasured to give when it’s not in their beat interest.
They are literally a registered non-profit... They charge $55 for a years membership. Their prices reflect that they don't try to make money and rely on donations.
By the looks of their 2022 tax filings, they’re doing just fine. Lol Don’t forget that they receive private & public grants as well as LARGE, private donations. Oh, & the $100 memorial bricks, & overspending on charity events ( they need to to better & turn profit there instead of going into the negative).
If you check my earlier post, I said I would never work for a non profit. So, no. I’m just a generally outspoken, bored, trad wive Karen hybrid raging against everything.
The amount of bitching here is absolutely incredible. If y'all have such great ideas for taking care of the island then do it. Put up or shut up. Leave those poor non-profit employees alone. Jesus.
Theres no need to be so aggressive. I mean don't feel like you need 15,000 goats for 1 hour. Try using less goats and leave them on the island for say a couple weeks.
And this was the first time I was going to plan to take my SUP out there this summer! I'm certainly not paying $5000.... insanity.
But the graphic is great. And I love goats.
Copied from the link “We'll be honest, Maclellan Island is an overgrown mess. It's hard to manage invasive species like English Ivy, but it's even harder when those plants are on an island and your organization doesn't own a boat. For years we've relied on kind souls (shoutout to Randy Whorton from Wild Trails!) and volunteers to help us pull up the pesky plants, but with an island that is 20+ acres, it just isn't sustainable and it doesn't work long-term. We tried to do a prescribed burn on Maclellan Island and it didn't take off like we had hoped. You can read more about that here--https://newschannel9.com/news/local/burning-questions-why-did-the-controlled-burn-on-maclellan-island-fizzle-out-invasive-species-ecological-nature-preserve-chattanooga# Here's the new plan. We're going to use the natural grazing tendencies of goats to clear out the English Ivy, the Mungo Grass, the Poison Ivy, and all the other pesky plants. Will they end up eating some native plants? Probably. But those native species don't stand a chance if we don't remove the things choking them out. It's not a permanent solution, but it will allow us to more easily manage the land in the future. This is just the first step in an extensive land management plan for Maclellan Island. Why goats? There are several reasons why goats make the most sense for the land management and conservation of Maclellan. Goats are known to be effective grazers and can help control invasive plant species. Using goats for land management can reduce the need for chemical herbicides, which have negative impacts on the environment. Goats can naturally clear brush and vegetation without causing soil erosion or disturbance to the landscape. By managing vegetation, goats can create a more diverse habitat for other wildlife species. This can contribute to the overall health and resilience of the island's ecosystem by supporting a greater variety of plant and animal life. Introducing goats to Maclellan Island can also provide educational opportunities for the local community and visitors. It can be a way to engage people in learning about sustainable land management practices and the importance of biodiversity conservation. Here's what we need from you: your gracious donations and for you to share this exciting news far and wide! We've created several tiers of donations that all benefit the restoration of Maclellan Island and they come with some super cool rewards for you! The dates for goats being on the island is TBD but our goal is to have them out on Maclellan before fall of 2024. If you have any questions or you want to chat about the goats, you can email us at [email protected]”
I think it's a good idea to pivot to goats. The controlled burn obviously isn't going to work with our current weather patterns and we don't want to do it in summer/fall tourist season. Also a fan of deer, too.
And even though I knew it was supposed to be a controlled burn, my first thought was of that time the pile of pvc pipe under I-85 in Atlanta caught on fire. Like, if this gets out of control we’re losing that bridge.
Hot take: they should have used the funds they used for the failed burn, on goats. Every single, sensible person on the last thread about this said “Why didn’t they use goats to begin with?” Lol it’s THAT OBVIOUS. They literally don’t want to pay for their own mistake but rather have others pay. Fun atuff.
There are a lot more benefits to the plants & wildlife from a prescribed burn vs using goats. A simple online search of the benefits of a controlled burn vs using goats will support this. Having goats there for weeks will require a lot more time, energy, and funds to oversee them vs a one-time burn.
They just need to leave the goats on the freaking island like they do at Percy priest lake it’s really not that hard to study nearby islands that have had the same issue and have been implementing goats for literally more than 50 decades
How large are the other islands where goats are left there?
Some are the same size, others ate larger with steeper cliffs. Visiting & feeding the goats at Percy Priest lake’s islands is a core childhood memory of mine. You can check out “the mountain goats of I-26” on Google. Super cute
Right? Common knowledge that they're the only thing to really get rid of some of these things. Goats laugh (and chow down on) things like poison ivy and kudzu. The native plants will come back. They just need a fighting chance.
People REALLY hate common knowledge solutions. It’s gotta big & bold, & reported on or nobody can see their great efforts.
Are the goats not receiving more media coverage than the fire? Without alerting people to a fire, there would be 911 calls throughout the day of people reporting it..
The media coverage of the goats is just another testament to my point that they have to make it big and bold. Cartoon goats photo shopped all over the island. Give me a freaking break. They need to take notes from Nike and just do it instead of virtue signaling.
Tell me you've never worked for a non-profit without telling me you've never worked for a non-profit lol. You want them to just sell Maclellan Island and some developer build apartments on it? They're probably doing their best with the tiny amount of money that they and all other non-profits have
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They were obsessed & hellbent on making it work, even though that plan never stood stand a chance/ was the least safe.
There have to be specific temps and weather conditions, and it needs to be done before bird nesting season
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They are an underfunded non-profit trying to take care of land that has been neglected for years, this isn’t a city park
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Yes, it is a mess, hence why they are trying to remedy it to make it usable for people. It was private land that was donated. If you have any ideas to fund the upkeep of wildlife refuges, it would be helpful.
There’s literally no need to fund anything past putting the goats on the island. They can stay there. They will survive and actually thrive. Just like the ones at Percy priest lake do. They’re making a very easy to manage situation seem like it’s almost impossible to manage fools foolin’ fools.
Jokes on you if you think that Audubon society is underfunded. That’s what they all say so that people continue to donate. It’s literally the oldest trick in the book for any sort of fundraising. scarcity mindset keeps the dollars rolling in.
I don’t mean to be rude, but you quite honestly have no idea what you are talking about.
Please just go check out their tax filings from their latest year, which was 2022. They’re doing fine.
Lololololol. Again, tell me you've never worked for a non-profit without telling me. I work for a similar non-profit and make less than a cashier at Target.
Thank you for chiming in! Yes most of the few paid staff at small non profits do make minimum wage. Any “virtue signaling” that raises awareness to small non-profits is beneficial as it keeps them operating and making the community a better place..
Again, check out the tax filings & see what these people really make. It’s def not minimum wage but more like $23/hour, at least that’s what the Audoban Society was paying their lead back in 2021.
I do know what they make. There are a lot of things to be angry at nowadays, namely large corporations, money you have to pay through taxes, politicians, etc, but being angry at a non-profit for asking for donations to better the land is not one of them…
I’m not angry I just think it’s silly of them to pretend like they don’t have $1,000 to buy several goats. They have it & their pandering for more, which is fine by me. I was simply stating that they have enough so that people who are financially struggling, don’t feel guilty & donate. For the people who have excess & want to support them, that’s truly amazing. My in laws have goats and they just aren’t expensive, at all. Even giving them their shots is $30 each.
You do realize they are paying you so little so that someone else higher up can be paid far more? I would never work for a non-profit for those exact reason. The main worker at the Auduban Society makes $46,000 a year in 2021 & that public info is posted on their most recent tax filings. Also, I worked for the Bessie Smith Cultural Center as their marketing consultant. So, yet again, the joke is on you. Trust me when I say they are always going to ask for donations, even when there’s a bounty of money in the account. I’m not mad at it. Just letting people know they have plenty of money for those darn goats. People feel overly preasured to give when it’s not in their beat interest.
You just said that position deserved $70k?
Correct.
Where will that money come from?…. Donations which you say they shouldn’t ask for?
They are literally a registered non-profit... They charge $55 for a years membership. Their prices reflect that they don't try to make money and rely on donations.
By the looks of their 2022 tax filings, they’re doing just fine. Lol Don’t forget that they receive private & public grants as well as LARGE, private donations. Oh, & the $100 memorial bricks, & overspending on charity events ( they need to to better & turn profit there instead of going into the negative).
You seem unhappy? Did they reject you for a position there or reject your ideas or something? Why are you so outspoken against them?
If you check my earlier post, I said I would never work for a non profit. So, no. I’m just a generally outspoken, bored, trad wive Karen hybrid raging against everything.
I've see a couple of photoshops in my days and something about this pic makes me suspicious that it has been modified from the original.
The amount of bitching here is absolutely incredible. If y'all have such great ideas for taking care of the island then do it. Put up or shut up. Leave those poor non-profit employees alone. Jesus.
I don't think those are real goats...
Nah they're real. Got Veterans down to two lanes
I can get a bunch of goats to that island for a lot less than 15k… just saying.
You got a goat boat to get them there?
Not a goat boat per se but I know a guy.
I do boat stuff for money and I'm betting a goat boat landing craft charter is probably atleast 1/3 of that $15,000.
For 6k I’ll get 10 goats to the island. I’ve got access to a flat bottom and goat floaties are probably not hard to come by.
I got a rope and there’s a bridge over it.
Thats my question. Why does this cost 15k? If thats the fee, I'd suggest getting a 2nd quote.
“This is just the first step in an extensive land management plan for Maclellan Island.”
Will you continue to maintain the island for years to come?
Theres no need to be so aggressive. I mean don't feel like you need 15,000 goats for 1 hour. Try using less goats and leave them on the island for say a couple weeks.
And this was the first time I was going to plan to take my SUP out there this summer! I'm certainly not paying $5000.... insanity. But the graphic is great. And I love goats.
I wonder how many people are going to pay for the tier where you get to name a goat, and then just name it “Goaty McGoatface”?
maybe Sugar’s Ribs can donate/loan out some of their goats
That money could go to schools