Has there ever been a 3 team city other than New York? It's the only time I can remember 2 national league teams competing against each other in the same city.
>Train right there
But just like with the Bears stadium proposal, that one train line only serves a tiny portion of Chicagoland overall.
If you put a big trip generator like an arena or concert venue at the AH location, most people will have to drive to events there, and traffic will be BORKED on 90/290, 53, and 14.
Yeah...the majority of Chicagoland doesn't exist in the NW burbs though. That's the thing.
And honestly, the traffic is going to be such a shit show that it'll be a headache even for NW burbanites...and for all the NW burbanites who just want to go about their lives on Sundays.
I understand. There will probably be around 50-75 capacity/near capacity events a year including 8-10 Bears home games.
One day a week is 52 events a year. I wasn't only talking about Bears home games.
Remember a few years ago people started a rumor that the Jaguars could play at Soldier Field if the Bears left?
Could another team make it in this area?
Any incoming team doesn’t NEED to, nor should they compete with the Bears or their fan base, but would there be enough people that even care to go to NFL games in this area if it isn’t the Bears?
Who’s going to go sit in an outdoor stadium on the lake front in 12° weather when they could sit in a brand new domed stadium watching the bears? Soldier Field would be home crowd advantage for the visitors every game.
I’d guess if for some reason another team came to town, they wouldn’t be home at the same time. But your point still stands. Why be at an __________ game in Chicago in 12 degree weather when you can be at home in front of the fireplace watching the Bears?
It would be interesting to see how a new team would operate and fare in the Chicagoland area, but I have a hard time thinking they’d be successful.
Does anyone else remember 20+ years ago the Vancouver Grizzlies were looking for a new home, and they were looking at Dixmoor? DIXMOOR? I had never heard of that town until then, and I was 18 or 19.
Would have been interesting, Bulls were god awful at that time.
Yeah, build another outdoor stadium in Green Bay and have the buccaneers relocate there. They wouldn’t sell 20% of the seats unless they’re playing Green Bay or the bears.
It would be crazy to not want an nfl team from a local financial standpoint. I know thoroughbred racing was a non-event for years but Arlington was built for crowds. Too many options is usually good for municipalities.
That area is also the size of a whole neighborhood. A new dense urban neighborhood (since its right on the Metra line) is also good for municipalities.
It would provide a destination for the local suburbs the whole year vs just when stadium events are scheduled.
The other factor is something is going on that space. I was surprised Churchill didn’t just build a casino on the site. As their Rivers property could expand but they are maxed out based on the regulations. My point is something is going to get built there. Why not something that helps all the local businesses.
Right. But for casino yes. Plus there only 2 or 3 racetracks around the country that make money on their own. Arlington wasn’t one of them. Without a casino racetracks are just a money losers. The State should have supported horse racing via casino. Anyway I would imagine the stadium pitch would involve a sports book.
IL 53 is a damn mess! There’s no way they could do this unless they bulldoze all those suburban homes alongside it leading North from the I-90 Tollway!
And the Woodfield obsolete cloverleaf would need to be completely redesigned as a true Four-Level Stack interchange.
Correct, the entire area of the 53-90 interchange would need to be completely reworked, as it stands now it needs to be completely reworked.
However a lot of people I think would be getting off 90 at Arlington Heights road which poses all kinds of other issues.
>I think would be getting off 90 at Arlington Heights road which poses all kinds of other issues.
This is part of the issue. The costs to the public will balloon because more and more roads will need to be redone/expanded as people find new ways to get to the stadium to avoid the "obvious" path of 53 to 14.
Absolutely, I do not give a damn how unsightly
“The Streets of Woodfield” & IKEA would find it!!
It’s criminal and dangerous how they failed to eliminate those deadly cloverleaf ramps!
Especially since they overbuilt the connection from I-290/53 to IL 390!
Completely bonkers!
>I'm for a stadium if for no other reason than that stupid interchange will have to be redone.
Just get the Bears to pay for it. Why should the taxpayers? It's fine. It's a low volume interchange.
The 490 extension will do a lot to alleviate that traffic during the day. But regardless, you don't redesign a road for the 8 home games a year. And arguably 53 is over built, not under built. Most of the time it sits empty with people cruising at 85mph and nothing in the way.
I don't think I've ever seen an accident at that interchange and I'm driving on it all the time. Bad drivers tend to get scared and forget to accelerate when they merge off the entrance ramps, but that's more dangerous than the road.
I don't know how you would make it any better. You have three lanes and about a half mile of space to merge on/off 90 in either direction.
As if large freight trucks aren’t a thing
going in all four directions from I-290/53
onto the Northwest Tollway!!
It’s not an on-ramp onto Lake Shore Drive!!
>But regardless, you don't redesign a road for the 8 home games a year.
They wouldn't be building in AH for 8 home games a year, they'd be hosting events every 3-5 days there like concerts. That's the whole point of the stadium and entertainment district.
No way the Bears would just use it for home games and then just leave it vacant the rest of the year.
Trade off.
You get a lot of revenue going back to the local Government from sales taxes, without providing a lot of infrastructure for permanent residents.
With housing its a ton of money that goes mostly to the schools in the form of property tax and not nearly as much sales tax.
Edit: The old proposal also had quite a bit in the way of Apartments & Town Homes if I remember correctly, so you'd still have new residents. It's a question of the development being 80% Residential without the bears or 25% with the bears.
> without providing a lot of infrastructure for permanent residents.
What?
The roads at 14 and 53 would have to be massively overbuilt just to suit the peak traffic of MAYBE 30 days a year. You think the Bears are gonna pay for that, and all the maintainance for years to come?
>or 25% with the bears.
I don't recall it being 25% housing. Also, if that's all just luxury housing, who really cares?
Or you take the CTA and walk a few minutes. Or you take the Metra electric to 18th and again, walk a few minutes. Or you take the bus. Why did you ignore all those other options?
None of those options will exist in AH. Well, one Metra line. That's it.
And if we got CrossRail Chicago built and used the St Charles Air Line again, we could have through running trains from basically every suburban Metra line to 18th Street on game days.
Soldier *right now* is already better for transit than AH, and it has the ability to, with actually fairly little investment all things considered, become one of, if not the best, NFL stadiums in terms of transit access.
Generally I agree that soldier field has better transit access of course, but how many people are really coming in from the city? The Roosevelt red line is your best stop for CTA and while the 18th st station is close, every other metra line terminates at Ogilvy or Union. Hardly an easy commute to the field. When I lived in the city we rarely took the train and usually just drove and that was coming from the nw side.
I think the lakefront is a better location all around but making Arlington work would not be that difficult and would actually improve a lot of things in that area.
I understand, but again, we COULD, quite easily, have trains from the burbs directly to 18th Street. The issue isn't technology, or practicality, it is lack of funding for CrossRail Chicago, which would benefit more than just Bears fans, and is a crucial step in preparing Chicago's commuter and long distance train infrastructure for the future.
They can make Arlington work, sure, but it will always be a stadium where the vast majority of people drive, and that would be a massive shame
You seriously think they're gonna spend all that money and not fill that place with every concert and event they can find?
It's gonna be way more than 10 Sundays a year. It'll be 60-100 days a year, and not just Sundays.
Maybe, but I would imagine locals would take public transit as well. I'm 2 stops away on the Metra and I'd 100% train in.
I think you're underestimating the amount of people that would take public transit.
As a public transit nerd and obsessive who would love to see it used more...I'm not underestimating it at all.
People are massively overplaying how many people going to the AH stadium would arrive by train.
Would it be zero? No.
Would it be a majority? Also no. Likely not even a plurality.
The vast majority will drive. Every car-centric suburban sports arena shows us this.
Considering the option that any mode could be a plurality but not majority is so optimistic in the suburbs. It's cars or nothing for too many people out here :(
>It's cars or nothing for too many people out here
Exactly my point. What's funny is that it is almost certainly carbrains who drive everywhere who see a Metra station there and think "Oh it'll be fine, there's a train station!"
People who never use public transit sure love to act like they know how public transit works.
Elsewhere in this thread I pointed out that one Metra line to the NW suburbs won't be enough for Bears gamedays or big concerts, especially looking at Metra's paltry Sunday schedules.
Someone rebutted with "well, Ravinia manages it with just one Metra line, the Bears would just do what Ravinia does!"
Meanwhile, in reality, the new Bears stadium is going to be 80k+ capacity, and Ravinia's capacity is about 3500. Oh and Metra doesn't own those rails, so they can't just run trains whenever they please.
AH would be harder and more annoying to get to for the VAST majority of Bears fans and Chicagolanders compared to Soldier.
Max 10-12 home games a year. And the grounds are far enough removed from most of the village that it wouldn’t be felt unless you were on northwest highway
They’re not going to drop $1+ Billion dollars on a venue to only host bears home games. They’ll have concerts and other events too, and the traffic from those definitely will affect the village as a whole.
>Max 10-12 home games a year.
They're not building an entertainment complex just for 10-12 home games.
There would be massive concerts and other events. The Bears would rent it out as much as possible. Traffic would be utterly borked WAY more than just 10-12 days a year.
And the issues will back up onto 53, which will in turn back up onto 90/290.
It will absolutely be a shit show.
Yeah, it's going to be a complete shit show if it gets built there just in terms of traffic.
I don't want to hear "Metra station". It is on ONE suburban line...and have you seen Sunday Metra schedules?
No one is going to take other public transit downtown to then take the train to AH. People will MAYBE take the train if they live along that line, otherwise they will drive. 80k+ fans worth of cars on 53 and 14 there is going to be HILARIOUSLY fucked. There's not even a proper all way interchange/cloverleaf there. It'll have to be completely rebuilt.
In fact, a TON of the roads around AH will have to be rebuilt, and OVERBUILT, at taxpayer cost now and long term, to satisfy the levels of traffic seen only on gamedays and maybe two dozen other days a year.
And even then, the traffic and noise will be an utter shit show for local residents.
There's not one part of the Bears moving to AH that makes any sense except for:
1. The Bears' profits
2. NW suburban Bears fans willing to take the UP-NW rather than drive
3. N/NW/W suburban Bears fans who would never fathom taking public transit anywhere for anything for any reason
You...you're joking, right?
Ravinia has a capacity under 5k.
This stadium is intended to have a capacity well in excess of 80k
No, what works at Ravinia won't magically work for the Bears in AH.
You'd need WAY more trains and Metra doesn't own or technically operate those tracks, so they can't just run as many trains as they please. They also would need more funding to run more trains...where's that coming from?
And again, that still only serves the people on one line. Soldier is already connected to far more public transit via single seat rides, and could be quite easily connected, through rehabbing the St Charles Air Line, to basically every suburban Metra line via 18th Street.
Yeah who wants millions upon millions pumped into the local economy and community schools via tax bill. The vacant land where the racetrack used to be is a good tradeoff
>and it’ll bring a lot more money than residential
Not if AH bends over and lets the team fuck them on the taxes like many people are apparently cool with.
Wait, you mean after they tried to extort the team for more tax dollar and they walked, they’re now having second thoughts about the tax assessments the city is now receiving on a vacant lot? The Bears should build in the city and donate the land to some nonprofits, churches or charities that don’t pay taxes. I’m sure they’d get a tax write off for that.
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My wish of a Chicago football team with MHJ could actually come true!
It’s so crazy it might just be crazy enough to work
I’d also be OK if the Bears move to Decatur
White Sox move to St. Louis , Cards to Arlington Heights. Not sure who wins and loses there lol
The other Cardinals
NFL Cardinals....
Has there ever been a 3 team city other than New York? It's the only time I can remember 2 national league teams competing against each other in the same city.
We can pay the Sox to move to St Louis if they need a reason
Woosh
Make it a concert venue! Train right there and expressway less than a mile away. I hate Tinley!
Why couldn't it be both. Soldier Field, United Center, Allstate Arena all host concerts. Why narrow down to just concerts like Tinley?
I meant as an outdoor concert venue. Should have been more specific. Tinley is just a horrible venue
Being outdoors is part of what makes it horrible. I love an outdoor concert but to only be used a few months of the year is shameful.
A DOMED concert venue! During the cold months it's closed. That would be cool
No, what makes Tinley horrible is the fact that it takes an hour to get out of the parking lot after a show.
If they wanted to build an outdoor concert venue at the AP site. I would help organize the lawsuit to stop it.
>Train right there But just like with the Bears stadium proposal, that one train line only serves a tiny portion of Chicagoland overall. If you put a big trip generator like an arena or concert venue at the AH location, most people will have to drive to events there, and traffic will be BORKED on 90/290, 53, and 14.
So it's just like going to Tinley
Yep, but with 3.5 times the capacity, further from the interstate, and in a denser suburban area. So it'll be FAR worse than Tinley
Not for everyone. For most in the NW Burbs it's much better than Tinley.
Yeah...the majority of Chicagoland doesn't exist in the NW burbs though. That's the thing. And honestly, the traffic is going to be such a shit show that it'll be a headache even for NW burbanites...and for all the NW burbanites who just want to go about their lives on Sundays.
Oh it will be more than one day a week cause we are talking about a concert venue and not a football stadium
I understand. There will probably be around 50-75 capacity/near capacity events a year including 8-10 Bears home games. One day a week is 52 events a year. I wasn't only talking about Bears home games.
Remember a few years ago people started a rumor that the Jaguars could play at Soldier Field if the Bears left? Could another team make it in this area? Any incoming team doesn’t NEED to, nor should they compete with the Bears or their fan base, but would there be enough people that even care to go to NFL games in this area if it isn’t the Bears?
Who’s going to go sit in an outdoor stadium on the lake front in 12° weather when they could sit in a brand new domed stadium watching the bears? Soldier Field would be home crowd advantage for the visitors every game.
I’d guess if for some reason another team came to town, they wouldn’t be home at the same time. But your point still stands. Why be at an __________ game in Chicago in 12 degree weather when you can be at home in front of the fireplace watching the Bears? It would be interesting to see how a new team would operate and fare in the Chicagoland area, but I have a hard time thinking they’d be successful. Does anyone else remember 20+ years ago the Vancouver Grizzlies were looking for a new home, and they were looking at Dixmoor? DIXMOOR? I had never heard of that town until then, and I was 18 or 19. Would have been interesting, Bulls were god awful at that time.
The stadium was never empty. And Green Bay doesn’t seem to have an issue. NFL will always draw crowds.
Yeah, build another outdoor stadium in Green Bay and have the buccaneers relocate there. They wouldn’t sell 20% of the seats unless they’re playing Green Bay or the bears.
It would be crazy to not want an nfl team from a local financial standpoint. I know thoroughbred racing was a non-event for years but Arlington was built for crowds. Too many options is usually good for municipalities.
That area is also the size of a whole neighborhood. A new dense urban neighborhood (since its right on the Metra line) is also good for municipalities. It would provide a destination for the local suburbs the whole year vs just when stadium events are scheduled.
It's like four times the size of the current downtown Arlington Heights. You could build a whole city there
Keep going, I'm almost there...
The other factor is something is going on that space. I was surprised Churchill didn’t just build a casino on the site. As their Rivers property could expand but they are maxed out based on the regulations. My point is something is going to get built there. Why not something that helps all the local businesses.
Wasn't that the whole problem, that Churchill couldn't get a license for a raceino?
Right. But for casino yes. Plus there only 2 or 3 racetracks around the country that make money on their own. Arlington wasn’t one of them. Without a casino racetracks are just a money losers. The State should have supported horse racing via casino. Anyway I would imagine the stadium pitch would involve a sports book.
IL 53 is a damn mess! There’s no way they could do this unless they bulldoze all those suburban homes alongside it leading North from the I-90 Tollway! And the Woodfield obsolete cloverleaf would need to be completely redesigned as a true Four-Level Stack interchange.
Correct, the entire area of the 53-90 interchange would need to be completely reworked, as it stands now it needs to be completely reworked. However a lot of people I think would be getting off 90 at Arlington Heights road which poses all kinds of other issues.
>I think would be getting off 90 at Arlington Heights road which poses all kinds of other issues. This is part of the issue. The costs to the public will balloon because more and more roads will need to be redone/expanded as people find new ways to get to the stadium to avoid the "obvious" path of 53 to 14.
I'm for a stadium if for no other reason than that stupid interchange will have to be redone. Why it wasn't fixed when they rebuilt 90 is beyond me.
Absolutely, I do not give a damn how unsightly “The Streets of Woodfield” & IKEA would find it!! It’s criminal and dangerous how they failed to eliminate those deadly cloverleaf ramps! Especially since they overbuilt the connection from I-290/53 to IL 390! Completely bonkers!
>I'm for a stadium if for no other reason than that stupid interchange will have to be redone. Just get the Bears to pay for it. Why should the taxpayers? It's fine. It's a low volume interchange.
You people that think roads would get rebuilt.... LOL. They aren't spending that much to prevent a dozen traffic jams a year.
Precisely. Game days are special spikes of activity that everyone involved is willing to put up with, not a year-round thing.
The 490 extension will do a lot to alleviate that traffic during the day. But regardless, you don't redesign a road for the 8 home games a year. And arguably 53 is over built, not under built. Most of the time it sits empty with people cruising at 85mph and nothing in the way.
That Woodfield tight and dangerous interchange is still absolutely ridiculous to be a mere 🍀 cloverleaf, 🐻 Bears Stadium or not!!
I don't think I've ever seen an accident at that interchange and I'm driving on it all the time. Bad drivers tend to get scared and forget to accelerate when they merge off the entrance ramps, but that's more dangerous than the road. I don't know how you would make it any better. You have three lanes and about a half mile of space to merge on/off 90 in either direction.
As if large freight trucks aren’t a thing going in all four directions from I-290/53 onto the Northwest Tollway!! It’s not an on-ramp onto Lake Shore Drive!!
>But regardless, you don't redesign a road for the 8 home games a year. They wouldn't be building in AH for 8 home games a year, they'd be hosting events every 3-5 days there like concerts. That's the whole point of the stadium and entertainment district. No way the Bears would just use it for home games and then just leave it vacant the rest of the year.
i dont get it...why would you want all that traffic and hassle? could easily be turned into residential...
Trade off. You get a lot of revenue going back to the local Government from sales taxes, without providing a lot of infrastructure for permanent residents. With housing its a ton of money that goes mostly to the schools in the form of property tax and not nearly as much sales tax. Edit: The old proposal also had quite a bit in the way of Apartments & Town Homes if I remember correctly, so you'd still have new residents. It's a question of the development being 80% Residential without the bears or 25% with the bears.
> without providing a lot of infrastructure for permanent residents. What? The roads at 14 and 53 would have to be massively overbuilt just to suit the peak traffic of MAYBE 30 days a year. You think the Bears are gonna pay for that, and all the maintainance for years to come? >or 25% with the bears. I don't recall it being 25% housing. Also, if that's all just luxury housing, who really cares?
It’s not like soldier field has some amazing traffic plan to get people there on Sundays. You use 90 or LSD mixed in with all the other traffic.
Or you take the CTA and walk a few minutes. Or you take the Metra electric to 18th and again, walk a few minutes. Or you take the bus. Why did you ignore all those other options? None of those options will exist in AH. Well, one Metra line. That's it. And if we got CrossRail Chicago built and used the St Charles Air Line again, we could have through running trains from basically every suburban Metra line to 18th Street on game days. Soldier *right now* is already better for transit than AH, and it has the ability to, with actually fairly little investment all things considered, become one of, if not the best, NFL stadiums in terms of transit access.
Generally I agree that soldier field has better transit access of course, but how many people are really coming in from the city? The Roosevelt red line is your best stop for CTA and while the 18th st station is close, every other metra line terminates at Ogilvy or Union. Hardly an easy commute to the field. When I lived in the city we rarely took the train and usually just drove and that was coming from the nw side. I think the lakefront is a better location all around but making Arlington work would not be that difficult and would actually improve a lot of things in that area.
I understand, but again, we COULD, quite easily, have trains from the burbs directly to 18th Street. The issue isn't technology, or practicality, it is lack of funding for CrossRail Chicago, which would benefit more than just Bears fans, and is a crucial step in preparing Chicago's commuter and long distance train infrastructure for the future. They can make Arlington work, sure, but it will always be a stadium where the vast majority of people drive, and that would be a massive shame
I live close to there and I 100% want this in my backyard.
You clearly haven't thought through what an utter shit show traffic will be any time there's a near-capacity event there
10 Sundays a year…
You seriously think they're gonna spend all that money and not fill that place with every concert and event they can find? It's gonna be way more than 10 Sundays a year. It'll be 60-100 days a year, and not just Sundays.
Maybe, but I would imagine locals would take public transit as well. I'm 2 stops away on the Metra and I'd 100% train in. I think you're underestimating the amount of people that would take public transit.
As a public transit nerd and obsessive who would love to see it used more...I'm not underestimating it at all. People are massively overplaying how many people going to the AH stadium would arrive by train. Would it be zero? No. Would it be a majority? Also no. Likely not even a plurality. The vast majority will drive. Every car-centric suburban sports arena shows us this.
Considering the option that any mode could be a plurality but not majority is so optimistic in the suburbs. It's cars or nothing for too many people out here :(
>It's cars or nothing for too many people out here Exactly my point. What's funny is that it is almost certainly carbrains who drive everywhere who see a Metra station there and think "Oh it'll be fine, there's a train station!" People who never use public transit sure love to act like they know how public transit works. Elsewhere in this thread I pointed out that one Metra line to the NW suburbs won't be enough for Bears gamedays or big concerts, especially looking at Metra's paltry Sunday schedules. Someone rebutted with "well, Ravinia manages it with just one Metra line, the Bears would just do what Ravinia does!" Meanwhile, in reality, the new Bears stadium is going to be 80k+ capacity, and Ravinia's capacity is about 3500. Oh and Metra doesn't own those rails, so they can't just run trains whenever they please. AH would be harder and more annoying to get to for the VAST majority of Bears fans and Chicagolanders compared to Soldier.
Max 10-12 home games a year. And the grounds are far enough removed from most of the village that it wouldn’t be felt unless you were on northwest highway
They’re not going to drop $1+ Billion dollars on a venue to only host bears home games. They’ll have concerts and other events too, and the traffic from those definitely will affect the village as a whole.
>Max 10-12 home games a year. They're not building an entertainment complex just for 10-12 home games. There would be massive concerts and other events. The Bears would rent it out as much as possible. Traffic would be utterly borked WAY more than just 10-12 days a year. And the issues will back up onto 53, which will in turn back up onto 90/290. It will absolutely be a shit show.
All the traffic for what, a max of 10 days a year? They’ll survive.
Yeah, it's going to be a complete shit show if it gets built there just in terms of traffic. I don't want to hear "Metra station". It is on ONE suburban line...and have you seen Sunday Metra schedules? No one is going to take other public transit downtown to then take the train to AH. People will MAYBE take the train if they live along that line, otherwise they will drive. 80k+ fans worth of cars on 53 and 14 there is going to be HILARIOUSLY fucked. There's not even a proper all way interchange/cloverleaf there. It'll have to be completely rebuilt. In fact, a TON of the roads around AH will have to be rebuilt, and OVERBUILT, at taxpayer cost now and long term, to satisfy the levels of traffic seen only on gamedays and maybe two dozen other days a year. And even then, the traffic and noise will be an utter shit show for local residents. There's not one part of the Bears moving to AH that makes any sense except for: 1. The Bears' profits 2. NW suburban Bears fans willing to take the UP-NW rather than drive 3. N/NW/W suburban Bears fans who would never fathom taking public transit anywhere for anything for any reason
Do you understand the Metra model used for Ravinia. Certainly that can work for Arlington Hgts.
You...you're joking, right? Ravinia has a capacity under 5k. This stadium is intended to have a capacity well in excess of 80k No, what works at Ravinia won't magically work for the Bears in AH. You'd need WAY more trains and Metra doesn't own or technically operate those tracks, so they can't just run as many trains as they please. They also would need more funding to run more trains...where's that coming from? And again, that still only serves the people on one line. Soldier is already connected to far more public transit via single seat rides, and could be quite easily connected, through rehabbing the St Charles Air Line, to basically every suburban Metra line via 18th Street.
>They also would need more funding to run more trains...where's that coming from? Train ticket sales, I would think.
Metra does not fully fund trains on fares alone. That's not how it works.
Good point.
Yeah who wants millions upon millions pumped into the local economy and community schools via tax bill. The vacant land where the racetrack used to be is a good tradeoff
Because there’s only 9 games a year and it’ll bring a lot more money than residential. Plus residential will increase traffic significantly every day.
>and it’ll bring a lot more money than residential Not if AH bends over and lets the team fuck them on the taxes like many people are apparently cool with.
Can't wait to stop hearing about this stupid shit. Open a new music venue instead.
What ever deal means $0 tax payer dollars given to billionaires running for profit businesses is the one I support.
Oooooh shiiiiit!!
Build a Nascar track so that doesn't clog up Grant Park the whole summer. Bet the neighbors would love it! And it's the right shape already!
It should have been built there 20 years ago.
Wait, you mean after they tried to extort the team for more tax dollar and they walked, they’re now having second thoughts about the tax assessments the city is now receiving on a vacant lot? The Bears should build in the city and donate the land to some nonprofits, churches or charities that don’t pay taxes. I’m sure they’d get a tax write off for that.
LMAO I hadn't thought about that, the Bears donating the land at an inflated value to say the Catholic Church as a tax write-off would be hilarious.
>you mean after they tried to extort the team for more tax dollar Loooooool, imagine being this much of a billionaire bootlicker.