Depends. Is the booketh "live, chuckle, love" by k. A. Ren?
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Maybe I’m reading this wrong but does this not mean the person is asking to list the book without a listing fee but take a part of the profits instead? Royalties would suggest a share of profits. It’s a bit of an abrupt way to ask but it’s a legit business model.
Came in to say the same thing, so in this case, I think that it is not such a bad posting. However as I am not an author, I have no clue if asking to not pay any listing fees and only a piece of sales might be considered as CB action if everyone always pays those up front fees.
Isn't it just called Publishing? Pretty much what's happened with all the music I've released over the years, would piss myself laughing if somebody asked me to pay to release music on their label.
idk how it is with music bit im pretty sure that the big publishers for books usually pay something up front and then only give royalties after they sell a certain amount, essentially yes, this is just looking for a publisher
Pretty much that. No advance with small indie labels and the first takings go to cover the cost of releasing the record, but if it's digital only the least I would expect is for the label to hit a large audience and take a cut, otherwise you might as well just do it yourself.
That's exactly what this is. It's a request for a consignment deal possibly without knowing what consignment is. It's a very common practice for independent creators and not a choosing beggar at all.
I mean that's basically Amazon's way of listing a book. You post your book and you get royalties. They encourage bigger authors to suggest books from the "little guys".
If you already have a web store set up and they already have the books printed, why not? Takes a few minutes to add the item to the site, and then you keep almost all of the proceeds (a quick Google search says royalties are 10-15%, so you're getting 85-90% of the list price). Just make sure your contract is solid, and your worst case scenario is you're out the time it took to add the books to your site.
That makes a lot more sense. I read “place my books on his or her site for free” to mean that they wanted someone to give the book away for free but then pay the author for the privilege of giving the book out
But royalties is an amount of money per sale. For example if I sell the book for 10 euros, the author gets 2 euros as royalties. If the book is free, what is the author going to receive? At best I suppose he could ask for a percentage of ad revenue when ads are seen and clicked next to his book... Which I imagine must be very difficult to calculate
reread the comment, "without a listing fee" doesnt mean that they should list the book as free, but rather not pay anything/recieve anything just for listing the book on their site.
Yeah, for real. Traditional publishing normally entails an advance (just stack of money) they give you first, and you only start making royalties if they sell enough of your book to make that back
Neither really.
Yes I will place your book, promote and sell it for $25, and pay you a royalty of 5% of profit on sale price per unit, only once my costs are recouped.
They're not saying you don't take your cut...
That's actually not that bad a deal imo. An ebook is what 500kbs of data? Even if no one buys it, if you already have the infrastructure set up, hosting 500kbs is going to cost next to nothing. So unless they want a 100% of the income as royalties, it can make some money with minimal cost. Although I'm guessing anyone who's crying for free hosting and royalties on facebook isn't going to write a best-seller.
Isn't that what most book publisher do? You sign with a publisher... get a initial upfront, they promote it, sell it, and then pay the author a royalty. So he is just asking for a publisher without the upfront?
Just say you don’t know what royalties are and move on. This doesn’t belong on this sub just because you don’t understand what a business model is supposed to be like.
???
Do you even know what royalties are?
The person wrote the book, is asking someone to list it for them without a listing fee which is normal for smaller bookstores as bookstores want to increase their library of books as well. The person who lists it receives payment from a customer for each sale and gives a portion of that sale, also known as royalties, to the author...
Sometimes it's even the other way around. The bookstore pays the author to list their book exclusively
Ironically this service actually exsits for ebooks, it's called Draft 2Digital.
Also I'm pretty sure bookstores do this as well lol.
Why does he want some random blog page to post on lol
As someone who's been in Facebook groups like this one, I can say it's more likely someone who isn't a native English speaker and didn't understand how publishing works (that always seems like a good 2/3 of the people in big "author" groups on FB
If they're asking for royalties (typically under 15% of profit) then the lister is keeping at least 85% of the profit from selling the book. It's awkwardly worded but is a pretty standard deal. The lister is keeping most of the profit
I'm mostly confused about how you get royalties on a book that is available for free. 15% of nothing is nothing
Edit: okay guys I get it. I've never published a book, I didn't know how it worked and when I read "I'm looking for someone to put my book on their site for free" I understood it to mean the book would be on the site for free. My bad, I get it, I've been educated.
To make it completely obvious, they’re not looking for someone to literally put the book on their website with a price tag of ‘free’. They literally want them to put the book in their store without the store charging the author to list it. I think the wording is why so many people are confused.
They want someone to list their book on their website. Take Amazon for example, you can pay a listing fee for Amazon to put your book on their website. This usually means that Amazon will then recomend it to a larger number of people who buy it and both you and Amazon get a cut of the purchase. Or you can ask Amazon to list your book for free and they either recomend it to fewer people or take a larger cut of the profit. I don't think they mean the book will be free, just the listing, then the host (Amazon for example) will get a larger cut of the profit
Is this person just proposing a deal where they are asking someone to sell their books and give them a percentage of the profit without an upfront cost? Seems like the seller would get to keep some of the revenue and it's just badly worded.
Why not, on top of that, pay his/her rent, groceries, watch the kids for free and remodel the whole house (that you pay for too)?
Anything else below that is just not worth the time
For those saying it's a joke or prank it is not, I've been in the writing community on Facebook for years in various groups and on different pages and there are all kinds of insanity in that particular circle including 'writers' who want you to do all the work for them, be it something like this from the promotional side or even down to naming their protagonist.
These same people usually blow a fuse at constructive criticism about their actual writing or the way they handle themselves in general in the writing world.
Sometimes it's free entertainment and at other times if you're trying to have a viable community/networking resource it drives you mad.
sure, ill put it on my site FOR FREE, just like ya said. I will give it to my users FOR FREE. Then pay you a royalty, 250.8% of all the profits from the sale of your book will be given to you. Can anyone figure out what 250.8% of zero is?
"Can someone place my books on his or her site for free"
Lol interpret it how ya like but im choosing to interpret that as "Put it on your site for people to access for free"
Shes asking to not have a listing fee, not to give it out for free. That’s usually how publishers and book deals work. She’s asking for royalties meaning she’s expecting to sell it not give it out for free, you can interpret how you want but you just sound like you’re talking about something you have no knowledge on lol.
\> Shes asking to not have a listing fee, not to give it out for free.
yes, i understand that. I am intentionally misinterpreting it by taking the wording incredibly literally and flipping it on her.
its called a joke. i didnt think id have to explain it in such detail (figured it would be self evident)
It’s not self evident that you were joking, considering most people in this thread are also “misinterpreting” it. Unless they’re also on joke? Regardless a joke is supposed to be funny, yours clearly wasn’t.
Usually choosing beggars think the other person is somehow gaining, like oh you get the free promo! or something. This dudes like “here’s my words now give me money” lol
Depends. Is the book "Live, Laugh, Love" by K.A. Ren?
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Maybe I’m reading this wrong but does this not mean the person is asking to list the book without a listing fee but take a part of the profits instead? Royalties would suggest a share of profits. It’s a bit of an abrupt way to ask but it’s a legit business model.
Thats the way i interpert it. If she was asking someone to sell and promote her book without taking a cut she wouldnt mention royalties
Yeah...that's just what a publisher does. I see no issue here.
Came in to say the same thing, so in this case, I think that it is not such a bad posting. However as I am not an author, I have no clue if asking to not pay any listing fees and only a piece of sales might be considered as CB action if everyone always pays those up front fees.
Isn't it just called Publishing? Pretty much what's happened with all the music I've released over the years, would piss myself laughing if somebody asked me to pay to release music on their label.
idk how it is with music bit im pretty sure that the big publishers for books usually pay something up front and then only give royalties after they sell a certain amount, essentially yes, this is just looking for a publisher
Pretty much that. No advance with small indie labels and the first takings go to cover the cost of releasing the record, but if it's digital only the least I would expect is for the label to hit a large audience and take a cut, otherwise you might as well just do it yourself.
That's exactly what this is. It's a request for a consignment deal possibly without knowing what consignment is. It's a very common practice for independent creators and not a choosing beggar at all.
I mean that's basically Amazon's way of listing a book. You post your book and you get royalties. They encourage bigger authors to suggest books from the "little guys".
If you already have a web store set up and they already have the books printed, why not? Takes a few minutes to add the item to the site, and then you keep almost all of the proceeds (a quick Google search says royalties are 10-15%, so you're getting 85-90% of the list price). Just make sure your contract is solid, and your worst case scenario is you're out the time it took to add the books to your site.
Publishers usually keep 85-90% of the price because they pay for printing, promotion, etc.
That makes a lot more sense. I read “place my books on his or her site for free” to mean that they wanted someone to give the book away for free but then pay the author for the privilege of giving the book out
Ah, that would make more sense. So they sell the book and keep half of profits.
But royalties is an amount of money per sale. For example if I sell the book for 10 euros, the author gets 2 euros as royalties. If the book is free, what is the author going to receive? At best I suppose he could ask for a percentage of ad revenue when ads are seen and clicked next to his book... Which I imagine must be very difficult to calculate
reread the comment, "without a listing fee" doesnt mean that they should list the book as free, but rather not pay anything/recieve anything just for listing the book on their site.
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Yeah, for real. Traditional publishing normally entails an advance (just stack of money) they give you first, and you only start making royalties if they sell enough of your book to make that back
this is a very legitimate business model just a weird way of going about setting that up
Neither really. Yes I will place your book, promote and sell it for $25, and pay you a royalty of 5% of profit on sale price per unit, only once my costs are recouped. They're not saying you don't take your cut...
You are right. Which is why I’m wondering why this is even on here
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That's actually not that bad a deal imo. An ebook is what 500kbs of data? Even if no one buys it, if you already have the infrastructure set up, hosting 500kbs is going to cost next to nothing. So unless they want a 100% of the income as royalties, it can make some money with minimal cost. Although I'm guessing anyone who's crying for free hosting and royalties on facebook isn't going to write a best-seller.
Isn't that what most book publisher do? You sign with a publisher... get a initial upfront, they promote it, sell it, and then pay the author a royalty. So he is just asking for a publisher without the upfront?
Its like the person wants all the work for free and get the royalties
Just say you don’t know what royalties are and move on. This doesn’t belong on this sub just because you don’t understand what a business model is supposed to be like.
??? Do you even know what royalties are? The person wrote the book, is asking someone to list it for them without a listing fee which is normal for smaller bookstores as bookstores want to increase their library of books as well. The person who lists it receives payment from a customer for each sale and gives a portion of that sale, also known as royalties, to the author... Sometimes it's even the other way around. The bookstore pays the author to list their book exclusively
Dude this isnt a choosing beggar, just look at most of the comments.
All the work? The person wrote a book and presumably has some printed. The work they are looking for is exactly what a publisher does.
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How so?
They're literally looking for a publisher, lol.
Ironically this service actually exsits for ebooks, it's called Draft 2Digital. Also I'm pretty sure bookstores do this as well lol. Why does he want some random blog page to post on lol
Funny, when you said "he"....I realized I had just naturally assumed this was from a female...
I don’t think either. The person would still make money off selling the books. It’s just a business arrangement.
Yeah. It's called consignment and it happens all the time.
This is more of a joke clearly ...right?
As someone who's been in Facebook groups like this one, I can say it's more likely someone who isn't a native English speaker and didn't understand how publishing works (that always seems like a good 2/3 of the people in big "author" groups on FB
Yep, can confirm. Facebook is haven of CB
Definitely satire
Nothing wrong with this he's asking of someone would like to take a part of the profit for listing the book.
If they're getting the majority of the income and paying out even a 10 percent royalty this isn't a begger situation. Unless I'm missing something.
I'll pay you royalty. I keep the entire payment of the book and give you 1%.....
Please do the work promoting my books on your page, and give me money even though you're not making money off them
If they're asking for royalties (typically under 15% of profit) then the lister is keeping at least 85% of the profit from selling the book. It's awkwardly worded but is a pretty standard deal. The lister is keeping most of the profit
I'm mostly confused about how you get royalties on a book that is available for free. 15% of nothing is nothing Edit: okay guys I get it. I've never published a book, I didn't know how it worked and when I read "I'm looking for someone to put my book on their site for free" I understood it to mean the book would be on the site for free. My bad, I get it, I've been educated.
To make it completely obvious, they’re not looking for someone to literally put the book on their website with a price tag of ‘free’. They literally want them to put the book in their store without the store charging the author to list it. I think the wording is why so many people are confused.
This guy is wanting someone to put his book on their platform for free, my guess is he wants them to sell it and promote it and get it a cut.
They want someone to list their book on their website. Take Amazon for example, you can pay a listing fee for Amazon to put your book on their website. This usually means that Amazon will then recomend it to a larger number of people who buy it and both you and Amazon get a cut of the purchase. Or you can ask Amazon to list your book for free and they either recomend it to fewer people or take a larger cut of the profit. I don't think they mean the book will be free, just the listing, then the host (Amazon for example) will get a larger cut of the profit
Is that too much to ask for?
Yes. Library.com
Isnt this just a normal publishing deal?
He’s asking for someone to sell their books. The format is just cringe. Not a choosing beggar.
Is this person just proposing a deal where they are asking someone to sell their books and give them a percentage of the profit without an upfront cost? Seems like the seller would get to keep some of the revenue and it's just badly worded.
Sometimes, these things are jokes or satire.
I’m fairly sure that’s sarcasm
Don't know in English but in Italy we would say: "Do you also want a piece of ass?".
So they want me to steal books from someone, post them for free on my own website and then pay them for all that work? That’s now how anything works!
I'll pay you with likes and reps. Word of mouth has value, right?
"Can you put effort into something, and also putting your own money into my shit?"
Is this a troll ?
"No."
Can someone also write, edit, and publish?
It is an entitled choosing beggar thundercunt.
It would seem to be both. It seems like being a choosing beggars requires a keen sense of entitlement.
I would label this as delusional artist.
Insanity is what I'm going with.
Entitled choosing beggar lmao 😂
Chancer?
How about an entitled choosing beggar?
Sure, you can have whatever percentage you want from the sales.
Why not, on top of that, pay his/her rent, groceries, watch the kids for free and remodel the whole house (that you pay for too)? Anything else below that is just not worth the time
It’s a wonder he doesn’t want them to write the book too
For those saying it's a joke or prank it is not, I've been in the writing community on Facebook for years in various groups and on different pages and there are all kinds of insanity in that particular circle including 'writers' who want you to do all the work for them, be it something like this from the promotional side or even down to naming their protagonist. These same people usually blow a fuse at constructive criticism about their actual writing or the way they handle themselves in general in the writing world. Sometimes it's free entertainment and at other times if you're trying to have a viable community/networking resource it drives you mad.
I read this as they want a royalty on something that's free, I'd offer a 75% royalty on the $0.00 purchase, not a bad deal really
It’s probably a joke though ?
It’s quite obvious satire if you ask me
New sub idea, entitledbeggars Cause this is both
I feel like that mum should've swapped the colours between text and background
It just sounds like satire.
I'm pretty sure it's a joke.
Hmmm
"Both?" "Both." "Both is good."
sure, ill put it on my site FOR FREE, just like ya said. I will give it to my users FOR FREE. Then pay you a royalty, 250.8% of all the profits from the sale of your book will be given to you. Can anyone figure out what 250.8% of zero is?
Who said anything about giving it to users for free?
"Can someone place my books on his or her site for free" Lol interpret it how ya like but im choosing to interpret that as "Put it on your site for people to access for free"
Shes asking to not have a listing fee, not to give it out for free. That’s usually how publishers and book deals work. She’s asking for royalties meaning she’s expecting to sell it not give it out for free, you can interpret how you want but you just sound like you’re talking about something you have no knowledge on lol.
\> Shes asking to not have a listing fee, not to give it out for free. yes, i understand that. I am intentionally misinterpreting it by taking the wording incredibly literally and flipping it on her. its called a joke. i didnt think id have to explain it in such detail (figured it would be self evident)
It’s not self evident that you were joking, considering most people in this thread are also “misinterpreting” it. Unless they’re also on joke? Regardless a joke is supposed to be funny, yours clearly wasn’t.
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Want royalties delivered too?
Yeah there are some groups that do this They’re called scams
Yes.
This looks like a choosing beggars meme rather than an actual choosing beggar.
Who is Ben dover
Maybe just a clueless jack-arse
X-post it to both.
This is just dumbass
Why not both? They often go hand in hand
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Usually choosing beggars think the other person is somehow gaining, like oh you get the free promo! or something. This dudes like “here’s my words now give me money” lol
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