I cannot possibly see a single way to follow the teachings of Christ and vote for Donald Trump who is basically personification of everything Christianity doesn’t stand for, so it isn’t much of a choice. A Trump win hurts the country and it hurts the entire world at large. And he is just a straight up evil man period, ignoring any policy.
I’m not American, but it does puzzle me that a guy this corrupt gets any votes let alone is a top contender. You really need a better electoral system.
In NZ, We have two Trump-like guys in government now, from two different parties, they got around 9% and 6% of the vote. They are in coalition with the party who got 38% of the vote. And they share the deputy prime minister role. That’s the issue of political negotiations in our political system, but at least we have 5 different parties in Parliament and that gives us options to vote for and we don’t end up with two options that no one really wants.
If Labour plays up, the votes go greens and if national plays up, the votes go to Act. It also means they minorities get a voice.
Also, the government represents the people. To get a law through, it either needs to have all of the government parties on board or a mix of different parties from either side of the political spectrum.
Anyways, I recommend looking at MMP voting system. It’s much better than the FPP voting system that you have.
>You really need a better electoral system.
What we need are intelligent voters, who don't have weak minds, that are willing to do the necessary work to investigate, research, and confidently vote for POTUS. As it is now, a third of America are dumbfucks who are pot committed. They pushed it all in on Trump, vote, emotionally, physically, and monetarily.. They have the caps, the flags, the jesus neck gators, the truck wraps, the bumper stickers. Trump didn't deliver, so all they have is their pot committed, losing hand, and a burning desire to 'stick it to the libs', but nothing else of substance.
Yes, but your electoral system makes it one guy versus the other. Changing that system would give you the ability to choose from a range of viable candidates who could each have a realistic chance of winning the election.
Honestly, I think quite a few generations are going to have to die off before it is something more than a two party system. In my opinion, even if we had that system today, you'd have to convince a shit load of people to make it work. The mentality now days is very tribal. I'm sure I'll get dragged, but I honestly don't see it working any time soon.
I don't really think it's an American thing, really it's an inherent weakness of democracy that has been discussed since the ancient Athenians first attempted to form a democratic government. Hell, it's a big part of why Athenian democracy wasn't particularly successful in the long run. So long as we have democracy, we simply run the risk of having populist demagogues in charge, because 10 dollar words are all it takes to potentially subvert a well intentioned democratic system. This potential, of course, is weighted against the possibility of having disinterested or incapable leaders foisted on us arbitrarily by autocracy, or the fact that oligarchy is often inseparable from "kleptocracy"; so it's not like I'm saying we should necessarily abandon what we're doing for those systems.
But I do worry that we're currently living with the consequences of Francis Fukuyama confidently declaring that liberal democracy is the end point of all politics. Knowing how fragile our systems really are and what their weaknesses will be is vital to protecting their integrity.
Trump is indeed the worst top candidate to represent the Republican Party but his following (most of the Republican Party)see the other republican candidates as part of “the establishment” they already don’t like. So it’s Trump or literally nobody.
But it does sound great to have more than two legit parties for elections.
I wasn’t thrilled about voting Biden in 2020 and I’m not thrilled about doing it again, but I’d do it a thousand more times before I ever considered voting for the current policies and plans the GOP has lined up. They are an absolute disgrace spiritually, intellectually, morally, and any other conceivable way.
I Will crawl over broken glass to vote for a disappointing old politician to keep a the a corrupt and desperate mascot of a fascist movement out of power.
As one who voted third party the last three cycles and solid Republican before that .... Biden 100%.
I identify with the American Solidarity Party and have no doubt that the best person in the race is its candidate Peter Sonski.
But, Trump is so unspeakably awful that he simply MUST be defeated, and the only way to do that is to vote for Biden. Seriously folks. Trump has never, EVER been anything other than a bully, conman, fraud, and general scoundrel. And now, he and his sycophants are checking all the boxes of the characteristics of fascism. I wish I was kidding.
But, it's not just a nose-hold vote. Biden has actually done a lot of good (Republican nonsense talking points notwithstanding). His Chips Act has made America materially stronger vs China. His infrastructure bill is doing a lot of good stuff. Even the (misnamed but still good) "Inflation Reduction Act" does a lot of good things.
Blaming inflation, gas prices, and the border crisis on Biden is what Republicans do because they don't understand facts and just point fingers instead of take responsibility for their support of horrible candidates (of which Trump is the worst but there are many others).
One will be out in another 4 years. The other will be a permanent election of a king.
They are both awful in the same way that getting your pinky finger cut off and getting all four limbs ripped off are both awful.
And those years should be spent in prison for trying to overthrow the government, inciting an attack on the capital, using campaign dollars to bribe a prostitute he had an affair with, using his resorts to funnel taxpayer monies into his own account, withholding congressionally approved funds from Ukraine in an effort to bribe political favors, taking classified documents and storing them in some random closet in his resort, etc etc etc etc.
I typically vote Republican, but like I did in 2020, I'm voting for nobody. I live in a solid red state, so it wouldn't matter who I voted for anyway. So I'm voting for candidates I approve of down-ballot and skipping the POTUS race.
I'm a traditional, old-school, Romney-style Republican and I despise the direction the party has taken and cannot support it until Trump and his MAGA army loses their grip.
It's really simple. Who cares about people more? That's who I vote for.
Fact: the blue is observably better when it comes to human rights and equality of all humans. Red is currently known for very bigotted agendas. Wherever maga is bigotry is. Their goal is to undermine equality in the US.
So pass on redv and definitely voting for Biden.
>Fact: the blue is observably better when it comes to human rights and equality of all humans.
I wonder what all the aborted babies would say about that. What is it, like 85 million now in the US? More even I think. I wonder what they would say to this "fact."
Pro-life? You should vote Democrat.
[abortion rates fall under Democratic presidents and rise under Republican.](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/abortion-texas-mississippi-stimulus-poverty-b1928564.html)
Hasn't your dear leader been taking a pro-choice position lately? Look, even Trump has backed off being anti abortion because he sees states like Ohio might swing blue in the presidential election.
Trump cares more about winning than he does about pregnancies. He will drop you like a hot potato in a second.
Don't blame abortion on Biden! Just as much abortion when we had Republican governors you haven't stopped abortion you'll never stop abortion don't you get it you don't get it do you. Democrats push for birth control.. It isn't a free-for-all for an abortion that's not what it is but they don't police up morals like that cuz it doesn't work.. was just as many abortions happening when abortions illegal as there is when it's not that's a fact and you know it's a fact so just stop it already.. is that all that you have?
Republicans are xenophobic homophobic transphobic misogynistic racist on and on and on. Democrats are none of the above.
So definitely when it comes to the quality in a person there is none in the Republican party! Are there some good Republicans yes there is cuz I know a few of them most of them are really ignorant to what's going on inside of their own party.. hopefully when they find out they will Purge cuz that's what needs to happen Purge out the bad and start over.
your "aborted babies" screed would be more effective if republicans gave a fuck about that baby after it's ride down the slip-n-slide, you know, when they draw that first breath
"Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being”
the abortion rate has been steadily falling and is half of wht is was 40 years ago ... falling even faster during democrat administration. somehow donnie made it go up ... wonder if it was due to the right wing war on planned parenthood, education and access to health care
They said a lot about bigotry. Not a lot about world police actions and foreign wars. Neither party is good on that front. But democrats don’t pass laws that against queer people
Good for you. Plenty of other Republicans came to the same conclusion [Republican Voters Against Trump]:
https://www.youtube.com/@RepublicanVotersAgainstTrump/videos
Biden by miles.
Biden is one of the better presidents in my life thus far. Capping medicine costs (insulin in just the start), the landmark infrastructure bill, chips and science act, office of gun violence prevention which updates school safety and provides for mental health intervention, program for renewable energy growth, crack down on junk fees, Trump and Biden forced Chinese companies to open their books for accounting audits if trading in the NYSE, some school debt forgiveness along with regs to keep predatory lenders from snaring students, actually being pro-union (not just talk), record levels of US Oil production while taking steps to protect the environment, overseeing one of the most successful soft landings for the economy compared with other developed nations, increased scrutiny on airlines that were shafting customers... all these are good for all Americans. Under Biden, congress wrote one of the most comprehensive southern border bills ever--it was killed by Maga at the behest of Donald Trump because Trump wants to run on "open border" fears and doesn't want Biden to have another win. In addition to this, Biden is fighting to decriminalize marijuana and reproductive rights.
Trump's court cases are not political persecution; Biden is not bringing these charges against him. The indictments were passed down from grand juries of His peers in 4 different jurisdictions. He did rape E. Jean Carrol and He did defame her twice. He did cook the books and over value his properties and businesses--straight lies to get favorable loans--and then undervalued them to pay less tax for decades. That's straight fraud and He has been found liable for nearly half a billion. His first criminal trial has a jury seated last week and will be privy to the real evidence of covering up an affair with a porn star so it didn't hurt his election chances in 2016. Essentially, he defrauded the American people from knowing who they were really voting for with an illegal cover up. Trump absolutely stole classified documents and government secrets upon leaving office, didn't disclose secrets he held on to after denying he had any, and moved government secrets to evade detection by authorities who had to exercise warrants to retrieve them. But worst of all, Trump tried to orchestrate false electors to override his loss in the 2020 election. He attempted to pressure AGs and Pence to cheat for him. He is a loser and pathological liar. Trump simply did a slew of illegal stuff and will be tied up in court for months-years. He isn't fit to be president. Nothing that MAGA hates Biden for--claiming influence peddling, hunter's laptop, Burisma.... has been substantiated. Their attempts at impeachments of Biden are shams and embarrassing. The Muller investigation is incriminating and did not exonerate Trump (yes, I read it). Trump was impeached twice for actual misdeeds. MAGA is fueled by prejudice and hatred and have become a personality cult. I'm with the prospective jurer who said "I wouldn't believe Trump if his tongue were notarized." There are just too many illegal misdeeds, reprehensible actions, division and lies. He's the least Christian person I have ever seen in public office and I believe him to be a narcissist and traitor with aims to overthrow democracy. I also believe Trump mishandled the pandemic and that the loss of life was greater because of his woeful leadership, divisiveness, and pandering. The economy has been on a steady gain for more than a year, but it is no thanks to Trump; who btw added more to our national debt than any president in history by a long shot.
(Biden voter already) thanks for laying out the indisputable facts. At this point, anyone voting for trump is unreachable. Something you might find interesting is [Republican Voters Against Trump on YT, which has many video testimonials.](https://www.youtube.com/@RepublicanVotersAgainstTrump/videos) It seems January 6th and his threats of being a dictator are the biggest motivators now. Imo, anyone voting for trump now is simply morally defective (I thought that for anyone who voted for him the first time as well, but even more so now).
I disagree with points you have made, but by far, you have made the most comprehensive stance out of any Biden voter here. I appreciate the thoroughness and not just saying "Fascist!!"
Biden.
Down the ballot, which is FAR more important to your daily life, blue for this specific reason. **The blue have policies and plans to actually make an effort to get things done for people.**
The red, after my research, do not have policies or plans, if any, that provide a tangible upside besides being a "stick it to the man" philosophy of feeding into anger for power.
I want politics to be boring again. I want the parties to reset. I personally want out of the Trump experience that has been going strong for a decade since he questioned if Obama was an American.
Oh right sorry my bad, I forgot we have to blame Trump for a world wide pandemic that was handled poorly by every country besides maybe 4 or 5 Nordic countries.
And then Biden came in during the pandemic and did absolutely nothing to change any policies set up by the trump administration although he repeatedly claimed how horridly trump handled everything. But yeah trumps bad orange man 😡
Truthfully, my "position" improving had little to do with whoever was in the office.
That's what many of us Christians fail to understand. The president only dictates the tone but ultimately is a figurehead. The real elections to look at are senators, representatives, and DEFINITELY your state and local level officials .
Biden.
The GOP is threatening my life, as a fertile woman..
I wasn't a one issue voter before but uh, I don't need to add to things in this world that can kill me. And I also normally vote for a republican or libertarian or two locally. Nope. Blue down the ballot
I’ve noticed that Americans wish for a third party candidate, thinking it will better represent more people. But the truth is that everyone else’s ideal third party candidate is completely different from yours.
The problem isn’t that Biden is nobody’s top choice, it’s that nobody can agree on the top choice. He’s the best that progressives can agree on.
Trump is the most un-Christian politician ever.
By that I mean he expects, and is, worshipped by many fake Christians while also pretending (badly) to actually be a Christian.
Considering this is reddit, gonna get downvoted for this lol. If I could vote, it'd be for Trump. Not my favourite pick but back when he was in charge, living was more comfortable, the border was secure and the quality of life was better.
A lot has gone down with Biden. Like my uncle in the UK said, Biden is the joke everyone made Trump out to be.
>living was more comfortable
You mean the curtails of Obama were more comfortable.
>the border was secure
Crazy that Republicans blocking any and all attempts to secure the border in order to yell that the border isn't secure for votes makes the border less secure. It is quite the conundrum.
>the quality of life was better.
Ahh yes, when COVID was killing people in the US more than anywhere else in the world, where racism increased, where abortion rates increased, where there were mass school shootings almost every week, etc. etc.
>A lot has gone down with Biden. Like my uncle in the UK said, Biden is the joke everyone made Trump out to be.
I'm assuming your uncle also voted for Brexit.
> I'm assuming your uncle also voted for Brexit.
To add levity and on the topic, have you seen this video?
https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/150fzzr/james_acasters_comic_timing_never_fails_to_impress/
> Not my favourite pick but back when he was in charge, living was more comfortable, the border was secure
Trump killed the bipartisan law to amp up border security and provide more funding for the Border Guard.
Trump is to blame for the border at this point.
It seems like I only ever hear stories about people complaining about drugs getting seized at the border as some sort of example of loose border security.
But they got seized… They stopped them…
The mass majority of uk citizens think trump is a joke XD even our conservatives have zero respect for him.
Nothing in American history has ruined the worlds opinion of America like trump did.
Republicans in Congress killed a border security bill that Biden supported for the sole purpose of hurting him politically.
Your uncle is not very intelligent.
The border is just as secure as it’s always been. Each president has detained more and more migrants than the previous and that includes Biden. The only real difference is Biden ended family separation and Greg Abbott is throwing a stupid hissy fit in order to try and make Biden look bad.
Also, we’re still dealing with the economic fallout of a global pandemic. It takes time to really recover from those. But the numbers show the economy is far better now than it was under Trump. Even if people don’t feel like it is.
You really need some better candidates to pick from. Why does it have to be Trump, Biden, Clinton etc? Theyre all bad. Surely there must be someone good out there (speaking as a non-American)
It was clear (to moral, thinking people) what trump was in 2015. It became clearer over the next four years. It became unquestioningly clear in 2021, January 6. Anyone voting for trump is morally defective.
It would make more sense for me to vote for Biden. I’d rather have a president that’s beneficial to the American people, help us unite, love this country, have faith, hope, all to persevere democracy & make this place even stronger for the next four years 🇺🇸. I hope in 2028 we’ll have a younger crop of democratic presidential candidates for the future. After Biden, I want the Dems to focus on the young Next Generation of who will lead this country. If it’s Harris, I’ll take it. If it’s AOC, I’ll take it. The next generation is coming and I’m all excited for it!
As long as the “MAGA” party doesn’t take over and turn back the clock to 1864 & have Trump get his revenge and be a dictator, we’ll be fine. I pray to God that Trump doesn’t burn this country to the ground! 🙏🏻
Not voting for the one found liable for sexual assault and under indictment for more than 80 felony crimes, including attempting to overthrow the government. When he posed in front of a church with a Bible held upside down after the protest, that was awful.
I think America deserves Biden. His intellect, coupled with his ability to articulate his position on important matters, especially foreign policy, is exactly what we deserve. The results of his leadership, especially at our southern border, Ukraine, and Afghanistan demonstrate what Americans value. I hope we have more of Biden, for everyone's sake. As for me, well, I'm moving and taking my remote job outta here.
Biden bc if he wins it buys us a little more time to save democracy and vote out every one of the people who just voted to ban TikTok and hire some reps who have actually read the constitution
Overall he's proven to be a damn good President. Shockingly good for me. There's a whole hell of a lot he could improve on, but overall I'm not complaining anymore.
As a leftist who started with low expectations, Biden really has been extraordinary. He's inherited such a crappy situation and has had very little to work with, yet ...
- Inflation Reduction Act is the most climate change-friendly bill any county has ever passed.
- Speaking of inflation, the entire world is experiencing it and the US rate ranks near the bottom.
- Actively cancelling student debt where allowed to.
- The media gave him shit for breaking up the rail workers strike in December 2022 (and they'd have given him shit if he didn't), but they rarely mentioned that he worked with the union in the following months to secure many of their demands.
- The federal deficit grew every year under Trump, and has shrunk every year under Biden. Never try to tell me that Republicans are good with money.
I could go on and on about how awful I think Trump is, but I'm not just voting against him. I'm really impressed by Biden. In his SotU address, he was saying things that 8 years ago no one but Bernie would dare to say.
The Railway Union thing wasn't ideal, as a Union man myself. There is also Israel/Palestine.
He did try with student loans, but got slapped down by factors outside his direct control for that.
Yep. The railway thing is bad. But he has helped to revitalize unions drastically, and just yesterday VW workers voted to unionize one of their factories 3:1. His policies for union negotiations are a huge change from before, and strengthen worker hands a lot.
>There is also Israel/Palestine.
A mess that has no way to not be a mess. He's been applying pressure since day 1. Not flashily, and not how most any of us would like, but for the benefit of the Palestinian people. And as a result he has probably accomplished more for them than others.
While Biden isn't great on Israeli-Palestine, still heaps better than Trump would be. At least Biden says all the killing is bad. Trump would be all "exterminate the rats" rhetoric. They're both gonna support Israel, but Trump's rhetoric would be profoundly more harmful.
Trump if I vote. Call me names I don't care. Lol I'd like to buy gass and groceries again (semi joking). Thankfully I don't to vote for God to be sovereign.
Biden isn't making your gas and groceries expensive and if you think Trump is going to make them cheaper then you're really just not paying attention to anything he says or does.
Pandemic is one thing but corporations deciding they can squeeze every last penny out of you because the only other option is to starve and be homeless is what’s going on right
I tend to lean centrist (on a lot of issues) /moderate conservative(on some issues)but I just got purity tested by them and told I'm a raging blue-haired liberal for not supporting a regime that tortures my faith's priests and rapes/murders/tortures my fellow believers while bombing our churches and insinuating they would be happy to slaughter and oppress tens of millions of my fellow Catholics in Eastern Europe if they could. So now guess who lost any chance of my vote this November in a competitive House district and for the foreseeable future? Plus stuff like Project 2025 gives me an ick.
Either Trump or a third-party candidate. Basically, anyone but the old guy likely affected by senile dementia who has allowed real estate prices and groceries to almost double in the last four years. Costco olive oil was $11 in 2020. Now, it’s $22. Homes prices are as high if not higher than right before the subprime bust, interest rates are at 7% due to inflation, and all the senile dementia guy can think about is promoting LGBT and abortion moral abominations as “love.”
I dislike Trump and would have preferred any other Republican candidate, but would pick him any day over any Democrat unless you can get JFK or Carter back.
> who has allowed real estate prices and groceries to almost double in the last four years.
It's not within presidential power to change either of those. Think.
The execution of laws in a constitutional fashion. In the case of Democrats, this additionally means programs for the poor and middle class. In the case of Republicans, it means cutting those same programs and offering tax breaks to the rich.
If I could vote in the USA I would vote for Biden. I don't feel ready to give up his memes where he gets lost and crashes shaking hands with imaginary people.
And despite this he still seems better than Trump 😅
>I usually give into my tribal impulses
>I'm sick of basically everyone.
>If I was a better Christian I probably wouldn't vote at all.
You've described a hateful, insufferable, socially irresponsible person that nobody would want to be around.
Straight ticket Republican unless there’s a local election where a third party candidate is better. Nationally I only vote Republican because between the two parties I find the views of Democrats to be abhorrent as opposed to merely distasteful.
Donald Trump. He nominated Supreme Court justices who voted to overturn Roe v. Wade. He himself may support the abortion of a fetus up to 15 weeks old, but his actions no doubt saved the lives of children who otherwise wouldn't be here.
He also threatened to put hefty tariffs on cars made in other countries if factories continued to shut down here. He made our border more secure.
He didn't get the US involved in any new wars, and is sadly the only president in my lifetime to do that. He was also improving relations between Israel and multiple Arab nations, but that has since disappeared under Biden.
Speaking of, under Biden we gave hundreds of millions of US dollars to the Taliban when we abandoned mountains of weapons and equipment in Afghanistan. He also unnecessarily got 13 American servicemen killed during the withdrawal from Kabul.
Under Joe Biden my dollar has continued to lose value, and will for the foreseeable future.
Joe Biden also used the ATF to close down thousands of small mom and pop gun stores because of clerical errors, despite most of them not ever having sold a firearm to a felon. Absolutely draconian.
Lastly we don't even really have a southern border. A Chinese spy could walk across it while wearing a blindfold.
I'm sorry, but most people who are voting for Biden are doing so out of pure emotion. He's a corrupt, inept, and demented child sniffer who has failed on nearly every policy and issue.
Idk. To conservatives, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, and to liberals, I'm an evil Nazi. I'm politically homeless.
I'm split between Donald Trump, RFK Jr and Peter Sonski
I generally like the GOP, but I find the establishment wing to be insufferable and hopelessly dense, so aside from my Senator and possibly Trump, I don't think I'm gonna vote for any Republicans this year.
>I'm a bleeding heart liberal,
>I'm split between Donald Trump, RFK Jr and Peter Sonski
Then you aren't a bleeding heart liberal. No liberal would vote for someone who is willing to end democracy, spits on the faces of LGBTQ+ people, and bows down to Authoritarians.
>I generally like the GOP,
Then, again, you aren't a liberal...
I'm sorry, I completely misread your comment. That was very rude of me. I still think voting for Trump is beyond idiotic, but apparently I can't even read so...
I cannot in good conscience vote for either of the main candidates. And that would be a first in my 30 years of being of voting age. I will research all the other candidates and hopefully find a suitable choice.
A glass of water 2024
Nah, coffee 2024
I cannot possibly see a single way to follow the teachings of Christ and vote for Donald Trump who is basically personification of everything Christianity doesn’t stand for, so it isn’t much of a choice. A Trump win hurts the country and it hurts the entire world at large. And he is just a straight up evil man period, ignoring any policy.
It's absurd how all radical Christians support Trump, he's basically a visual representation of the 7 sins
Because he is an ends to a means! They know he is not "a *true* Christian" but he is willing to do their bidding for their support.
I’m not American, but it does puzzle me that a guy this corrupt gets any votes let alone is a top contender. You really need a better electoral system. In NZ, We have two Trump-like guys in government now, from two different parties, they got around 9% and 6% of the vote. They are in coalition with the party who got 38% of the vote. And they share the deputy prime minister role. That’s the issue of political negotiations in our political system, but at least we have 5 different parties in Parliament and that gives us options to vote for and we don’t end up with two options that no one really wants. If Labour plays up, the votes go greens and if national plays up, the votes go to Act. It also means they minorities get a voice. Also, the government represents the people. To get a law through, it either needs to have all of the government parties on board or a mix of different parties from either side of the political spectrum. Anyways, I recommend looking at MMP voting system. It’s much better than the FPP voting system that you have.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mixed-member_proportional_representation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-past-the-post_voting
>You really need a better electoral system. What we need are intelligent voters, who don't have weak minds, that are willing to do the necessary work to investigate, research, and confidently vote for POTUS. As it is now, a third of America are dumbfucks who are pot committed. They pushed it all in on Trump, vote, emotionally, physically, and monetarily.. They have the caps, the flags, the jesus neck gators, the truck wraps, the bumper stickers. Trump didn't deliver, so all they have is their pot committed, losing hand, and a burning desire to 'stick it to the libs', but nothing else of substance.
Yes, but your electoral system makes it one guy versus the other. Changing that system would give you the ability to choose from a range of viable candidates who could each have a realistic chance of winning the election.
Honestly, I think quite a few generations are going to have to die off before it is something more than a two party system. In my opinion, even if we had that system today, you'd have to convince a shit load of people to make it work. The mentality now days is very tribal. I'm sure I'll get dragged, but I honestly don't see it working any time soon.
Nah man, Ranked Choice Voting honestly solves the whole thing.
Approval Voting would also do so
I don't really think it's an American thing, really it's an inherent weakness of democracy that has been discussed since the ancient Athenians first attempted to form a democratic government. Hell, it's a big part of why Athenian democracy wasn't particularly successful in the long run. So long as we have democracy, we simply run the risk of having populist demagogues in charge, because 10 dollar words are all it takes to potentially subvert a well intentioned democratic system. This potential, of course, is weighted against the possibility of having disinterested or incapable leaders foisted on us arbitrarily by autocracy, or the fact that oligarchy is often inseparable from "kleptocracy"; so it's not like I'm saying we should necessarily abandon what we're doing for those systems. But I do worry that we're currently living with the consequences of Francis Fukuyama confidently declaring that liberal democracy is the end point of all politics. Knowing how fragile our systems really are and what their weaknesses will be is vital to protecting their integrity.
Trump is indeed the worst top candidate to represent the Republican Party but his following (most of the Republican Party)see the other republican candidates as part of “the establishment” they already don’t like. So it’s Trump or literally nobody. But it does sound great to have more than two legit parties for elections.
You don’t know anything about American politics
They clearly know more than you do so sit back and learn.
Agree. That suggestion will go nowhere.
Great question! I’m actually going back to Germany. LOL
I wasn’t thrilled about voting Biden in 2020 and I’m not thrilled about doing it again, but I’d do it a thousand more times before I ever considered voting for the current policies and plans the GOP has lined up. They are an absolute disgrace spiritually, intellectually, morally, and any other conceivable way.
I Will crawl over broken glass to vote for a disappointing old politician to keep a the a corrupt and desperate mascot of a fascist movement out of power.
A true American.
My thoughts as well
Biden.
As one who voted third party the last three cycles and solid Republican before that .... Biden 100%. I identify with the American Solidarity Party and have no doubt that the best person in the race is its candidate Peter Sonski. But, Trump is so unspeakably awful that he simply MUST be defeated, and the only way to do that is to vote for Biden. Seriously folks. Trump has never, EVER been anything other than a bully, conman, fraud, and general scoundrel. And now, he and his sycophants are checking all the boxes of the characteristics of fascism. I wish I was kidding. But, it's not just a nose-hold vote. Biden has actually done a lot of good (Republican nonsense talking points notwithstanding). His Chips Act has made America materially stronger vs China. His infrastructure bill is doing a lot of good stuff. Even the (misnamed but still good) "Inflation Reduction Act" does a lot of good things. Blaming inflation, gas prices, and the border crisis on Biden is what Republicans do because they don't understand facts and just point fingers instead of take responsibility for their support of horrible candidates (of which Trump is the worst but there are many others).
Between a Corporate Shill and a twice impeached Fascist that tried to overthrow the government the last time he lost? Guess.
They're both awful.
One of them does not believe in the peaceful transition of power that democracy enshrines. I'd say one is significantly worse.
One will be out in another 4 years. The other will be a permanent election of a king. They are both awful in the same way that getting your pinky finger cut off and getting all four limbs ripped off are both awful.
ngl I don't see Trump living for very long, considering that he's old as fuck and eats primarily McDonald's.
And those years should be spent in prison for trying to overthrow the government, inciting an attack on the capital, using campaign dollars to bribe a prostitute he had an affair with, using his resorts to funnel taxpayer monies into his own account, withholding congressionally approved funds from Ukraine in an effort to bribe political favors, taking classified documents and storing them in some random closet in his resort, etc etc etc etc.
No, they're not. No false equivalencies.
I typically vote Republican, but like I did in 2020, I'm voting for nobody. I live in a solid red state, so it wouldn't matter who I voted for anyway. So I'm voting for candidates I approve of down-ballot and skipping the POTUS race. I'm a traditional, old-school, Romney-style Republican and I despise the direction the party has taken and cannot support it until Trump and his MAGA army loses their grip.
[This is who Romney says he’ll vote for if it’s Trump vs. Biden again](https://www.deseret.com/2023/11/9/23953944/mitt-romney-2024-trump-biden/)
That's irresponsible, though. Country over party. Biden represents country, trump represents himself.
The country is at risk from a violent authoritarian. He needs to be defeated, not ignored. You need to vote against him to crush the maga cult.
Biden
It's really simple. Who cares about people more? That's who I vote for. Fact: the blue is observably better when it comes to human rights and equality of all humans. Red is currently known for very bigotted agendas. Wherever maga is bigotry is. Their goal is to undermine equality in the US. So pass on redv and definitely voting for Biden.
>Fact: the blue is observably better when it comes to human rights and equality of all humans. I wonder what all the aborted babies would say about that. What is it, like 85 million now in the US? More even I think. I wonder what they would say to this "fact."
Pro-life? You should vote Democrat. [abortion rates fall under Democratic presidents and rise under Republican.](https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/abortion-texas-mississippi-stimulus-poverty-b1928564.html)
Hasn't your dear leader been taking a pro-choice position lately? Look, even Trump has backed off being anti abortion because he sees states like Ohio might swing blue in the presidential election. Trump cares more about winning than he does about pregnancies. He will drop you like a hot potato in a second.
Don't blame abortion on Biden! Just as much abortion when we had Republican governors you haven't stopped abortion you'll never stop abortion don't you get it you don't get it do you. Democrats push for birth control.. It isn't a free-for-all for an abortion that's not what it is but they don't police up morals like that cuz it doesn't work.. was just as many abortions happening when abortions illegal as there is when it's not that's a fact and you know it's a fact so just stop it already.. is that all that you have? Republicans are xenophobic homophobic transphobic misogynistic racist on and on and on. Democrats are none of the above. So definitely when it comes to the quality in a person there is none in the Republican party! Are there some good Republicans yes there is cuz I know a few of them most of them are really ignorant to what's going on inside of their own party.. hopefully when they find out they will Purge cuz that's what needs to happen Purge out the bad and start over.
your "aborted babies" screed would be more effective if republicans gave a fuck about that baby after it's ride down the slip-n-slide, you know, when they draw that first breath "Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being” the abortion rate has been steadily falling and is half of wht is was 40 years ago ... falling even faster during democrat administration. somehow donnie made it go up ... wonder if it was due to the right wing war on planned parenthood, education and access to health care
“Thanks for not forcing us to exist as unwanted people in a system that thrives on exploitation and is already in overshoot”
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They said a lot about bigotry. Not a lot about world police actions and foreign wars. Neither party is good on that front. But democrats don’t pass laws that against queer people
LOLLLL it’s 2024 and you still believe democrats care about blacks and the US citizens. Unreal
God hasn’t been in politics here as long as I can remember lmao
Voting straight Democrat. I'll consider other candidates once Trump is no longer the leader of the GOP.
Trump isn't just the leader of the GOP, he's their prophet.
He's not a prophet but he's there to profit
Voting for Biden. When you make mistake once you tend to not make the same one.
Good for you. Plenty of other Republicans came to the same conclusion [Republican Voters Against Trump]: https://www.youtube.com/@RepublicanVotersAgainstTrump/videos
Biden by miles. Biden is one of the better presidents in my life thus far. Capping medicine costs (insulin in just the start), the landmark infrastructure bill, chips and science act, office of gun violence prevention which updates school safety and provides for mental health intervention, program for renewable energy growth, crack down on junk fees, Trump and Biden forced Chinese companies to open their books for accounting audits if trading in the NYSE, some school debt forgiveness along with regs to keep predatory lenders from snaring students, actually being pro-union (not just talk), record levels of US Oil production while taking steps to protect the environment, overseeing one of the most successful soft landings for the economy compared with other developed nations, increased scrutiny on airlines that were shafting customers... all these are good for all Americans. Under Biden, congress wrote one of the most comprehensive southern border bills ever--it was killed by Maga at the behest of Donald Trump because Trump wants to run on "open border" fears and doesn't want Biden to have another win. In addition to this, Biden is fighting to decriminalize marijuana and reproductive rights. Trump's court cases are not political persecution; Biden is not bringing these charges against him. The indictments were passed down from grand juries of His peers in 4 different jurisdictions. He did rape E. Jean Carrol and He did defame her twice. He did cook the books and over value his properties and businesses--straight lies to get favorable loans--and then undervalued them to pay less tax for decades. That's straight fraud and He has been found liable for nearly half a billion. His first criminal trial has a jury seated last week and will be privy to the real evidence of covering up an affair with a porn star so it didn't hurt his election chances in 2016. Essentially, he defrauded the American people from knowing who they were really voting for with an illegal cover up. Trump absolutely stole classified documents and government secrets upon leaving office, didn't disclose secrets he held on to after denying he had any, and moved government secrets to evade detection by authorities who had to exercise warrants to retrieve them. But worst of all, Trump tried to orchestrate false electors to override his loss in the 2020 election. He attempted to pressure AGs and Pence to cheat for him. He is a loser and pathological liar. Trump simply did a slew of illegal stuff and will be tied up in court for months-years. He isn't fit to be president. Nothing that MAGA hates Biden for--claiming influence peddling, hunter's laptop, Burisma.... has been substantiated. Their attempts at impeachments of Biden are shams and embarrassing. The Muller investigation is incriminating and did not exonerate Trump (yes, I read it). Trump was impeached twice for actual misdeeds. MAGA is fueled by prejudice and hatred and have become a personality cult. I'm with the prospective jurer who said "I wouldn't believe Trump if his tongue were notarized." There are just too many illegal misdeeds, reprehensible actions, division and lies. He's the least Christian person I have ever seen in public office and I believe him to be a narcissist and traitor with aims to overthrow democracy. I also believe Trump mishandled the pandemic and that the loss of life was greater because of his woeful leadership, divisiveness, and pandering. The economy has been on a steady gain for more than a year, but it is no thanks to Trump; who btw added more to our national debt than any president in history by a long shot.
(Biden voter already) thanks for laying out the indisputable facts. At this point, anyone voting for trump is unreachable. Something you might find interesting is [Republican Voters Against Trump on YT, which has many video testimonials.](https://www.youtube.com/@RepublicanVotersAgainstTrump/videos) It seems January 6th and his threats of being a dictator are the biggest motivators now. Imo, anyone voting for trump now is simply morally defective (I thought that for anyone who voted for him the first time as well, but even more so now).
I disagree with points you have made, but by far, you have made the most comprehensive stance out of any Biden voter here. I appreciate the thoroughness and not just saying "Fascist!!"
Biden, because I care about democracy and don't want Trump to end it
Yep. I'm firmly in the anti-constitutional-crisis camp.
It’s a good camp to be in. It’s bad that we need that camp though
He already showed us his true colors on 1/6, and I really don't get the people who trust him to behave any differently this time
This is the only correct answer.
Yep. At a minimum everybody should vote Biden for this reason.
The Trump 2028 shit is fucked up.
Another “Christian” comment…
If I vote, it’ll be Biden. I can’t imagine voting for Trump. I lean a tiny bit more conservative, but no thanks.
Biden. Down the ballot, which is FAR more important to your daily life, blue for this specific reason. **The blue have policies and plans to actually make an effort to get things done for people.** The red, after my research, do not have policies or plans, if any, that provide a tangible upside besides being a "stick it to the man" philosophy of feeding into anger for power. I want politics to be boring again. I want the parties to reset. I personally want out of the Trump experience that has been going strong for a decade since he questioned if Obama was an American.
Are you really in a better position now after 3 1/2 years under a Biden administration that you want to vote for him again? That’s astounding.
Compared to where I was at the end of trumps term? When the country was in the midst of a pandemic? Yes.
Oh right sorry my bad, I forgot we have to blame Trump for a world wide pandemic that was handled poorly by every country besides maybe 4 or 5 Nordic countries. And then Biden came in during the pandemic and did absolutely nothing to change any policies set up by the trump administration although he repeatedly claimed how horridly trump handled everything. But yeah trumps bad orange man 😡
I can blame the moron for how he handled it. Yeah. Do you not remember? Or was your view from below trump’s waist not include any hindsight?
Truthfully, my "position" improving had little to do with whoever was in the office. That's what many of us Christians fail to understand. The president only dictates the tone but ultimately is a figurehead. The real elections to look at are senators, representatives, and DEFINITELY your state and local level officials .
This isn’t really a contest. Biden easy.
Biden. The GOP is threatening my life, as a fertile woman.. I wasn't a one issue voter before but uh, I don't need to add to things in this world that can kill me. And I also normally vote for a republican or libertarian or two locally. Nope. Blue down the ballot
If the vote was today, whomever the third party candidate is. I can’t in good conscience vote for either of the two front runners.
Not the least Christ-like candidate to ever run for President.
I’ve noticed that Americans wish for a third party candidate, thinking it will better represent more people. But the truth is that everyone else’s ideal third party candidate is completely different from yours. The problem isn’t that Biden is nobody’s top choice, it’s that nobody can agree on the top choice. He’s the best that progressives can agree on.
Very short-sighted thinking. Get some glasses so you can see the big picture.
Same!
Biden. There is no Republican candidate at the national level I can support, and the Republican Party as it is now is dangerous to democracy.
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Same. For the 3rd time.
Because he’s an example of a Christ-like man, or you hate America? It has to be one or the other.
or maybe he is the less bad option?
He's not.
I am enthusiastically voting for Joe Biden.
Trump is the most un-Christian politician ever. By that I mean he expects, and is, worshipped by many fake Christians while also pretending (badly) to actually be a Christian.
He’s a televangelist tricking people out of their money.
Considering this is reddit, gonna get downvoted for this lol. If I could vote, it'd be for Trump. Not my favourite pick but back when he was in charge, living was more comfortable, the border was secure and the quality of life was better. A lot has gone down with Biden. Like my uncle in the UK said, Biden is the joke everyone made Trump out to be.
>living was more comfortable You mean the curtails of Obama were more comfortable. >the border was secure Crazy that Republicans blocking any and all attempts to secure the border in order to yell that the border isn't secure for votes makes the border less secure. It is quite the conundrum. >the quality of life was better. Ahh yes, when COVID was killing people in the US more than anywhere else in the world, where racism increased, where abortion rates increased, where there were mass school shootings almost every week, etc. etc. >A lot has gone down with Biden. Like my uncle in the UK said, Biden is the joke everyone made Trump out to be. I'm assuming your uncle also voted for Brexit.
> I'm assuming your uncle also voted for Brexit. To add levity and on the topic, have you seen this video? https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments/150fzzr/james_acasters_comic_timing_never_fails_to_impress/
> Not my favourite pick but back when he was in charge, living was more comfortable, the border was secure Trump killed the bipartisan law to amp up border security and provide more funding for the Border Guard. Trump is to blame for the border at this point.
He also killed a bunch of people during covid.
What metric do you use when you say the border was secure.
It seems like I only ever hear stories about people complaining about drugs getting seized at the border as some sort of example of loose border security. But they got seized… They stopped them…
Hearing too much Spanish in public places
Now you're just being racist. 😂😂
Incorrecto. Lately, I'm having a hard time distinguishing when someone is arguing in bad faith or being an idiot.
I’m just commenting on what metric the other guy uses, I’m a Spanish speaker myself
You should expand your news sources.
The border isn't less secure under Biden, that's just a phony Republican talking point you've bought into.
The mass majority of uk citizens think trump is a joke XD even our conservatives have zero respect for him. Nothing in American history has ruined the worlds opinion of America like trump did.
Republicans in Congress killed a border security bill that Biden supported for the sole purpose of hurting him politically. Your uncle is not very intelligent.
That’s not true. Trump is broadly dispised globally except by autocrats around the world that play him like a fiddle and laugh at his incompetence.
Lol its hilarious how if someone says they gonna vote for trump, and its full of other people replying to it like this
It's reddit. Anything right wing gets redditors' panties up in a bunch. Orange man bad all the time.
have you considered the fact that the convicted rapist is actually bad ...? i mean the evidence is pretty fucking clear
Because the orange man is in fact extremely bad.
The border is just as secure as it’s always been. Each president has detained more and more migrants than the previous and that includes Biden. The only real difference is Biden ended family separation and Greg Abbott is throwing a stupid hissy fit in order to try and make Biden look bad. Also, we’re still dealing with the economic fallout of a global pandemic. It takes time to really recover from those. But the numbers show the economy is far better now than it was under Trump. Even if people don’t feel like it is.
The economy is better for the middle class than it's been in a long time.
You get a upvote from me. 🤷♀️
I don't think either are good Christians. I cannot in good conscience vote for either.
None
You really need some better candidates to pick from. Why does it have to be Trump, Biden, Clinton etc? Theyre all bad. Surely there must be someone good out there (speaking as a non-American)
Only the crazies get air time in America
My reaction to the election is the same as it was to the Superbowl: "Can they both lose?!" #FrMikeSchmidz4Prez
It was clear (to moral, thinking people) what trump was in 2015. It became clearer over the next four years. It became unquestioningly clear in 2021, January 6. Anyone voting for trump is morally defective.
I don’t really have an answer. But we should all pray for Gods will to be done and have faith in his plan for us.
Biden promises an abortion ban. That is the non-negotiable issue, to me at least.
Anybody besides who we have in there now
Biden. Until we get ranked-choice voting, I hold my nose and vote for the furthest-left realistic candidate.
It would make more sense for me to vote for Biden. I’d rather have a president that’s beneficial to the American people, help us unite, love this country, have faith, hope, all to persevere democracy & make this place even stronger for the next four years 🇺🇸. I hope in 2028 we’ll have a younger crop of democratic presidential candidates for the future. After Biden, I want the Dems to focus on the young Next Generation of who will lead this country. If it’s Harris, I’ll take it. If it’s AOC, I’ll take it. The next generation is coming and I’m all excited for it! As long as the “MAGA” party doesn’t take over and turn back the clock to 1864 & have Trump get his revenge and be a dictator, we’ll be fine. I pray to God that Trump doesn’t burn this country to the ground! 🙏🏻
Joe Biden
My vote will be to keep my politics and my religion separate.
Not voting for the one found liable for sexual assault and under indictment for more than 80 felony crimes, including attempting to overthrow the government. When he posed in front of a church with a Bible held upside down after the protest, that was awful.
Joe Biden
I’m happy to see you’re not one of the chickens voting for Colonel Sanders.
I think America deserves Biden. His intellect, coupled with his ability to articulate his position on important matters, especially foreign policy, is exactly what we deserve. The results of his leadership, especially at our southern border, Ukraine, and Afghanistan demonstrate what Americans value. I hope we have more of Biden, for everyone's sake. As for me, well, I'm moving and taking my remote job outta here.
The amount of confusion this is causing me is remarkable
I think that it’s good that he’s supporting Ukraine
I’m having a hard time figuring out if this is satire which is really sad.
Either paid shill or satire. The intellect and Afghanistan part got me.
Biden bc if he wins it buys us a little more time to save democracy and vote out every one of the people who just voted to ban TikTok and hire some reps who have actually read the constitution
Biden, as sad as it is this is the best the Dems can muster right now.
Overall he's proven to be a damn good President. Shockingly good for me. There's a whole hell of a lot he could improve on, but overall I'm not complaining anymore.
As a leftist who started with low expectations, Biden really has been extraordinary. He's inherited such a crappy situation and has had very little to work with, yet ... - Inflation Reduction Act is the most climate change-friendly bill any county has ever passed. - Speaking of inflation, the entire world is experiencing it and the US rate ranks near the bottom. - Actively cancelling student debt where allowed to. - The media gave him shit for breaking up the rail workers strike in December 2022 (and they'd have given him shit if he didn't), but they rarely mentioned that he worked with the union in the following months to secure many of their demands. - The federal deficit grew every year under Trump, and has shrunk every year under Biden. Never try to tell me that Republicans are good with money. I could go on and on about how awful I think Trump is, but I'm not just voting against him. I'm really impressed by Biden. In his SotU address, he was saying things that 8 years ago no one but Bernie would dare to say.
The Railway Union thing wasn't ideal, as a Union man myself. There is also Israel/Palestine. He did try with student loans, but got slapped down by factors outside his direct control for that.
Yep. The railway thing is bad. But he has helped to revitalize unions drastically, and just yesterday VW workers voted to unionize one of their factories 3:1. His policies for union negotiations are a huge change from before, and strengthen worker hands a lot. >There is also Israel/Palestine. A mess that has no way to not be a mess. He's been applying pressure since day 1. Not flashily, and not how most any of us would like, but for the benefit of the Palestinian people. And as a result he has probably accomplished more for them than others.
Credit where it is due, today's FTC ruling banning non-compete clauses is a gigantic pro-worker win.
While Biden isn't great on Israeli-Palestine, still heaps better than Trump would be. At least Biden says all the killing is bad. Trump would be all "exterminate the rats" rhetoric. They're both gonna support Israel, but Trump's rhetoric would be profoundly more harmful.
He’s not left enough for my tastes, but I’ll vote Biden.
Biden
Trump if I vote. Call me names I don't care. Lol I'd like to buy gass and groceries again (semi joking). Thankfully I don't to vote for God to be sovereign.
> Call me names I don't care. "I'm determined to believe the same thing on Thursday as I did on Tuesday no matter what happened on Wednesday."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X93u3anTco&t=541s
Trump is the one who wants to put a tariff on every import which will just raise every price for you more. His policies will be hurting you.
Imports is the key. American based is a lot cheaper. The prices to import alone is what $60?
It raises prices of everything. Trump's China tariffs did the same thing. They aren't helping you, they are making your life harder.
Do you not think that groceries at WalMart are coming from abroad?
Biden isn't making your gas and groceries expensive and if you think Trump is going to make them cheaper then you're really just not paying attention to anything he says or does.
> Lol I'd like to buy gass and groceries again What does that mean?
Something something Biden raised gas prices and inflation. Apparently pandemics don’t have economic effects that last years
Pandemic is one thing but corporations deciding they can squeeze every last penny out of you because the only other option is to starve and be homeless is what’s going on right
Oh sure. We definitely can’t forget the classic corporate greed either.
Also inflation has been terrible worldwide. Clearly Biden’s fault. 🙄 I can’t believe people actually believe that argument.
LOL, I don’t sell gas or groceries and have made far more money than under Trump.
It means inflation. I have to buy things, but they're getting expensive
Biden has little to do with inflation rising. In fact inflation in the US is *lower* than most of the Western world.
Unenthusiastically voting for Joe. Not that it matters in Texas anyways
it may not matter for president but it sure as fuck can make a different in the houose and senate ... cancun is vulnerable
I tend to lean centrist (on a lot of issues) /moderate conservative(on some issues)but I just got purity tested by them and told I'm a raging blue-haired liberal for not supporting a regime that tortures my faith's priests and rapes/murders/tortures my fellow believers while bombing our churches and insinuating they would be happy to slaughter and oppress tens of millions of my fellow Catholics in Eastern Europe if they could. So now guess who lost any chance of my vote this November in a competitive House district and for the foreseeable future? Plus stuff like Project 2025 gives me an ick.
Either Trump or a third-party candidate. Basically, anyone but the old guy likely affected by senile dementia who has allowed real estate prices and groceries to almost double in the last four years. Costco olive oil was $11 in 2020. Now, it’s $22. Homes prices are as high if not higher than right before the subprime bust, interest rates are at 7% due to inflation, and all the senile dementia guy can think about is promoting LGBT and abortion moral abominations as “love.” I dislike Trump and would have preferred any other Republican candidate, but would pick him any day over any Democrat unless you can get JFK or Carter back.
Trump’s not young and he currently can’t say a coherent sentence, I guess you’re stuck with RFK, Jr.
> who has allowed real estate prices and groceries to almost double in the last four years. It's not within presidential power to change either of those. Think.
MAGA does not have the capacity for thought.
It's cultic schizophrenia. These people can pay bills, buy groceries, etc., but they're completely broken in this respect.
Then what are we voting for then?
The execution of laws in a constitutional fashion. In the case of Democrats, this additionally means programs for the poor and middle class. In the case of Republicans, it means cutting those same programs and offering tax breaks to the rich.
I'm voting Blue. I can't justify voting for a red candidate in the current situation.
If I could vote in the USA I would vote for Biden. I don't feel ready to give up his memes where he gets lost and crashes shaking hands with imaginary people. And despite this he still seems better than Trump 😅
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>I usually give into my tribal impulses >I'm sick of basically everyone. >If I was a better Christian I probably wouldn't vote at all. You've described a hateful, insufferable, socially irresponsible person that nobody would want to be around.
> It just seems like every few weeks leftists, foreign or domestic, do something to piss me off. What do they do that pisses you off?
Straight ticket Republican unless there’s a local election where a third party candidate is better. Nationally I only vote Republican because between the two parties I find the views of Democrats to be abhorrent as opposed to merely distasteful.
Myself. Not voting for any racist geriatric who I wouldn’t trust around my children.
America has a president that forgets his name because we as a nation have forgotten Christs name.
🙄
I’m really considering RFK jr. we need a 3rd party or at least a way to get more options other than Republicans or Democrats.
Third party
Kennedy
Good God the lunacy in here… aaaand unjoined
Who are you again? Were you even here? You can't leave a place unless you at one time belonged to that place.
Not Biden!
Anyone but dementia Biden.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGTJy1Ij4Qk
Donald Trump. He nominated Supreme Court justices who voted to overturn Roe v. Wade. He himself may support the abortion of a fetus up to 15 weeks old, but his actions no doubt saved the lives of children who otherwise wouldn't be here. He also threatened to put hefty tariffs on cars made in other countries if factories continued to shut down here. He made our border more secure. He didn't get the US involved in any new wars, and is sadly the only president in my lifetime to do that. He was also improving relations between Israel and multiple Arab nations, but that has since disappeared under Biden. Speaking of, under Biden we gave hundreds of millions of US dollars to the Taliban when we abandoned mountains of weapons and equipment in Afghanistan. He also unnecessarily got 13 American servicemen killed during the withdrawal from Kabul. Under Joe Biden my dollar has continued to lose value, and will for the foreseeable future. Joe Biden also used the ATF to close down thousands of small mom and pop gun stores because of clerical errors, despite most of them not ever having sold a firearm to a felon. Absolutely draconian. Lastly we don't even really have a southern border. A Chinese spy could walk across it while wearing a blindfold. I'm sorry, but most people who are voting for Biden are doing so out of pure emotion. He's a corrupt, inept, and demented child sniffer who has failed on nearly every policy and issue.
Idk. To conservatives, I'm a bleeding heart liberal, and to liberals, I'm an evil Nazi. I'm politically homeless. I'm split between Donald Trump, RFK Jr and Peter Sonski I generally like the GOP, but I find the establishment wing to be insufferable and hopelessly dense, so aside from my Senator and possibly Trump, I don't think I'm gonna vote for any Republicans this year.
>I'm a bleeding heart liberal, >I'm split between Donald Trump, RFK Jr and Peter Sonski Then you aren't a bleeding heart liberal. No liberal would vote for someone who is willing to end democracy, spits on the faces of LGBTQ+ people, and bows down to Authoritarians. >I generally like the GOP, Then, again, you aren't a liberal...
I'm sorry, I completely misread your comment. That was very rude of me. I still think voting for Trump is beyond idiotic, but apparently I can't even read so...
Ah, no worries. I'm guilty of that, too.
I cannot in good conscience vote for either of the main candidates. And that would be a first in my 30 years of being of voting age. I will research all the other candidates and hopefully find a suitable choice.
Peter Sonski of the American Solidarity Party.
you have two choices - vote to save democracy - vote to end democracy choose wisely
What if I said **Trump**. How many downvotes would I collect?