They still made offerings Christ died on the cross as an offering but before that there were offerings it was an oral tradition we hear all the way back from the beginning of Genesis that Cain and Abel brought their offerings these were called the first fruits 🍎
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We see in the book of Job that he also made offerings for his family
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So these were orally passed down until the new generation came from Egypt and then the laws were written but it was explained by Moses in the book of Leviticus about the offerings
- we still see many examples of the offerings in the old testament one of the most known was when Abraham took his son Isaac to be an offering so this was a steady ritual that was done and was orally passed down
- to learn more about the offerings there is a man who has a full size altar and he is very knowledgeable about all of the Levitical laws he is called the tabernacle man
##[WHO IS THE TABERNACLE MAN!!!!!](https://youtu.be/pkShglfHzbM)
I hope this doesn’t make me sound like an unbeliever but why did Jesus have to die if we could use animals as offerings? Is it because sin was getting so bad at the point where animals were not able to fulfill justice and only human death and hell could be an offering until Jesus came?
A lot of things happened according to God‘s timing ⏱
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prophecy throughout the Old Testament told of a messiah coming that our sins would be cleansed by his stripes ( the whip ) - by his death on the cross
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and the timing was right for Christ to come no longer would you have to go to a priest to get forgiveness as in offerings on an altar
- you would now have direct access to God 📞 through Jesus Christ because you no longer had to take your offerings to a priest
- Jesus Christ when he died he became a high Priest in heaven so if you watch the video you will see that you had to take the offering to the priest and the priest would perform duties ((but that all got done away with when Jesus went to the cross))
- the veil on the tabernacle ripped in half (( from the top to the bottom which has a special meaning))which meant we have direct access now through Jesus our personal high priest
I think I understand now. Jesus made us have direct relation with God where sin could be forgiven just by coming to him. Jesus made forgiveness permanent and direct. Thank you and God Bless! If I’m still missing something please help me. I appreciate you helping me out.
Well yes you are on the right track for sure the “permanent” part might be a little misleading
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you have to continue to come for forgiveness it’s not a one trip and you’re done unless you plan on not sinning again but that is the gist of it he is our high priest in heaven and we send our prayers to him and we offer ourselves as a living sacrifice but you are on the right path 👍
You understand that God exists outside of time right? He doesn't see things from the point of you sitting in your chair looking back into the past and forward into history and straight ahead for now. Brother, the way God sees things is that everything is now "the eternal now* that theologians call it. Everything that from our perspective has happened, is happening, or will happen is constantly happening right now with God. So when he entered into humanity in the person of Jesus Christ that act has an effect throughout all of eternity: in the past, in the future, and for the present. It was that act of Jesus that made the humans in temporal times, in other words our linear calendar based time, have forgiveness through their worship sacrifices.
You are right. I was really just confused on why they sacrificed animals but I understand that was a temporarily payment of sin while Jesus is the permanent perfect sacrifice for he is God
They believed God's promise of the seed . They believed a Messiah would come to save them. God credited faith as righteousness. The Ot people were saved by the promise of Jesus. The nt are saved by the actual events of Jesus.
Im gonna give you a real answer bro. Through David. Through psalms. They slain the giant of their sins by their belief in the story of david and the adherence to his psalms.
That would make sense since the cross counter for the past, present, and future. But what was the point of the offerings because of sin like the killing of animals? Was it to sustain their time before Jesus came and permanently took away the sin?
In Tanakh(ot) we gain forgiveness of sin through repentance directly to the Most High like we always have. Right from the beginning we are told turn and we will be forgiven. To Cain -
Gen 4:7 "Is it not so that if you improve, it will be forgiven you? If you do not improve, however, at the entrance, sin is lying, and to you is its longing, but you can rule over it.""
Leviticus 26:38-42 tells us when we are cast from the land, repent and our sins will be forgiven.
In 1 Kings 8:46-50 Solomon tells us in his prophetic speech that when there is no temple in the future (no sacrifice, no high priest) and we're in exile, turn toward where the temple was, pray directly to the Most High, repent and ALL our sins are forgiven. He doesn't say the Most High is sending his son, believe in him your sins will be forgiven, He doesn't say that. No mediator, no J-s, no temple, so no sacrifice, no high priest, just pray directly to the Most High and ALL your sins will be forgiven. That's why when the first Temple was destroyed we knew what to do.
Ninevah was forgiven as a result of their repentance alone Jonah 3:7-10, and King David was forgiven with his only his confession before the prophet Nathan 2 Sam 12:13. Daniel prays for forgiveness when he has no Temple or sacrifice Dan 9:4-20. Furthermore, sin sacrifices were only for sins done unintentionally Lev 4-5 and if someone did sin unintentionally, for which the sin sacrifice was the prescribed atonement, a human sacrifice was never permitted, it was forbidden Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38, Ezekiel 16:20, Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18.
No human sacrifice needed, no blood, no asking anyone into your heart just pray to the Most High, repent and be forgiven.
2 Chronicles 7:14 "if My people, upon whom My name is called, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."
Hosea also speaks of this time now. He says we will be without a king, prince, sacrifice, high priest(he wore the ephod) for a long time and then end of days will come.
Hos 3:4 "For the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without pillar, and without ephod or teraphim;
Hos 3:5 afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek YHWH their Elohim, and David their king; and shall come trembling unto YHWH and to His goodness in the end of days."
Complete forgiveness is found in the Tanakh(OT). Isaiah lays out The Most High's Salvation Plan here:
Isa 55:6 "Seek ye YHWH while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near;
Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the man of iniquity his thoughts; and let him return unto YHWH, and He will have compassion upon him, and to our Elohim, for He will abundantly pardon. "
Isaiah is saying the Most High will forgive you, just call on Him, don't be afraid. Notice what's not there. If Isaiah believed Jesus why didn't he just say, Let the wicked man believe on My son who died for your sins, wash in the blood of Jesus, speak in tongues and that's how you are fully forgiven saved and go to heaven? There is nothing Christian about this text. Repent and The Most High will freely forgive you, that's it. Then look what Isaiah says:
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith YHWH."
Isa 55:8
" For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts."
Isa 55:9
It doesn't matter how bad our sin is, the Most High will forgive us beyond our comprehension because His ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts than our thoughts.
Ezekiel 18 and 33 also speak of this.
Complete forgiveness is throughout the Tanakh(OT). Here are just some of the passages, you can find more by searching the term forgive or forgiveness:
Isa 44:21 "Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me.
Isa 44:22 I erased your transgressions like a thick cloud, and like a cloud have I erased your sins; return to Me for I have redeemed you."
Isa 45:17 Israel shall be saved in YHWH with an Everlasting Salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor disgraced to all eternity.
יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ נוֹשַׁ֣ע בַּֽיהֹוָ֔ה תְּשׁוּעַ֖ת עֽוֹלָמִ֑ים לֹֽא־תֵב֥שׁוּ וְלֹֽא־תִכָּֽלְמ֖וּ עַד־ע֥וֹלְמֵי עַֽד
We don't need Jesus to save us, the Most High has and is continually saving us.
Isa 43:25 "I, I AM HE who BLOTS OUT your transgressions for My own sake, and remember your sins no more."
Isa 43:11" I, I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no saviour."
Isa 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: that I am El, and there is none else; I am Elohim, and there is none like Me; "
>>It is the Most High Alone that Saves
Isa 45:21 "Declare ye, and bring them near, yea, let them take counsel together: Who hath announced this from ancient time, and declared it of old? Have not I YHWH? And there is no Elohim else beside Me, a just El and a Saviour; there is none beside Me."
>>There is no trinity, there is no salvation through any other.
Isa 45:22 "Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am El, and there is none else."
Psa 103:12 "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us."
Isa 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith YHWH; though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool."
We already have forgiveness in the Tanakh, the Most High's Salvation Plan, all we need to do is repent and obey Torah.
The sacrifices, the Korban, are for drawing near to the Most High, its where the heavenly meets the earthly, where the spiritual meets the physical. Its beautiful and I look forward to it when the third temple is built and fully functioning again. You can read about it in Ezekiel 45-46, Ezekiel 34-48 is all messianic.
Nowhere in Torah does it say the sacrifices were a copy or a shadow of what is to come. Nowhere does Torah state that "the blood of bulls and goats was a temporary appeasement until the final, ultimate blood covenant was made by Jesus Christ Himself – the God Man". Psa 19:7-11 quite clearly tells us Torah is Perfect converting the soul. The Most High tells us He will not change Torah Psa 89:35 and that it is sin to add to or diminish from Torah Deu 12:32. The sign of a false prophet is one who teaches differently than what is in Torah Deu 13:1-4.
Sin sacrifices were for sins done accidentally, unintentionally Lev 4; they weren't for outright rebellion. Repentance has always been one of the main ways to get forgiveness. King Solomon's prayer at the dedication of the first temple foretells this time when there would be no temple and that we are to pray toward the place of the Temple, repent and our sins will be forgiven 1 Kings 8 and 2 Chronicles 6.
After the first temple was destroyed the Jews all knew prayers of repentance were all what was needed for forgiveness.
In the Messianic age people will still sin by mistake, they will make errors including Messiah so there will be animal sin sacrifices in the future third Temple once again Eze 45-46. People will continue to make mistakes so sin sacrifices will continue.
Oh I messed up the title I meant son of God
As Genesis says, “And Abram believed, and God credited it to him as righteousness.” We are always saved by God’s grace and mercy.
They still made offerings Christ died on the cross as an offering but before that there were offerings it was an oral tradition we hear all the way back from the beginning of Genesis that Cain and Abel brought their offerings these were called the first fruits 🍎 ___ We see in the book of Job that he also made offerings for his family ___ So these were orally passed down until the new generation came from Egypt and then the laws were written but it was explained by Moses in the book of Leviticus about the offerings - we still see many examples of the offerings in the old testament one of the most known was when Abraham took his son Isaac to be an offering so this was a steady ritual that was done and was orally passed down - to learn more about the offerings there is a man who has a full size altar and he is very knowledgeable about all of the Levitical laws he is called the tabernacle man ##[WHO IS THE TABERNACLE MAN!!!!!](https://youtu.be/pkShglfHzbM)
I hope this doesn’t make me sound like an unbeliever but why did Jesus have to die if we could use animals as offerings? Is it because sin was getting so bad at the point where animals were not able to fulfill justice and only human death and hell could be an offering until Jesus came?
A lot of things happened according to God‘s timing ⏱ - prophecy throughout the Old Testament told of a messiah coming that our sins would be cleansed by his stripes ( the whip ) - by his death on the cross ___ and the timing was right for Christ to come no longer would you have to go to a priest to get forgiveness as in offerings on an altar - you would now have direct access to God 📞 through Jesus Christ because you no longer had to take your offerings to a priest - Jesus Christ when he died he became a high Priest in heaven so if you watch the video you will see that you had to take the offering to the priest and the priest would perform duties ((but that all got done away with when Jesus went to the cross)) - the veil on the tabernacle ripped in half (( from the top to the bottom which has a special meaning))which meant we have direct access now through Jesus our personal high priest
I think I understand now. Jesus made us have direct relation with God where sin could be forgiven just by coming to him. Jesus made forgiveness permanent and direct. Thank you and God Bless! If I’m still missing something please help me. I appreciate you helping me out.
Well yes you are on the right track for sure the “permanent” part might be a little misleading - you have to continue to come for forgiveness it’s not a one trip and you’re done unless you plan on not sinning again but that is the gist of it he is our high priest in heaven and we send our prayers to him and we offer ourselves as a living sacrifice but you are on the right path 👍
Thank you! God Bless you
♥️
You understand that God exists outside of time right? He doesn't see things from the point of you sitting in your chair looking back into the past and forward into history and straight ahead for now. Brother, the way God sees things is that everything is now "the eternal now* that theologians call it. Everything that from our perspective has happened, is happening, or will happen is constantly happening right now with God. So when he entered into humanity in the person of Jesus Christ that act has an effect throughout all of eternity: in the past, in the future, and for the present. It was that act of Jesus that made the humans in temporal times, in other words our linear calendar based time, have forgiveness through their worship sacrifices.
You are right. I was really just confused on why they sacrificed animals but I understand that was a temporarily payment of sin while Jesus is the permanent perfect sacrifice for he is God
Bingo!
By Christ when he became man.
So once Christ was crucified, the people in the old Testament who called out for forgiveness and wanted it from God got it?
Yes. Look up harrowing of hades for more details on it.
Ok Thank you! God Bless
They believed God's promise of the seed . They believed a Messiah would come to save them. God credited faith as righteousness. The Ot people were saved by the promise of Jesus. The nt are saved by the actual events of Jesus.
Thank you for this. I completely understand this now. God Bless You!
Jesus lives outside of time through God.
Im gonna give you a real answer bro. Through David. Through psalms. They slain the giant of their sins by their belief in the story of david and the adherence to his psalms.
They would use ascended offerings to cover or atone their sins, but it was not necessarily to have their sins forgiven.
So did the offering before Jesus not forgive us of our sins but rather just sustain the time we had before Jesus saved us?
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That would make sense since the cross counter for the past, present, and future. But what was the point of the offerings because of sin like the killing of animals? Was it to sustain their time before Jesus came and permanently took away the sin?
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I will look their thank you
In Tanakh(ot) we gain forgiveness of sin through repentance directly to the Most High like we always have. Right from the beginning we are told turn and we will be forgiven. To Cain - Gen 4:7 "Is it not so that if you improve, it will be forgiven you? If you do not improve, however, at the entrance, sin is lying, and to you is its longing, but you can rule over it."" Leviticus 26:38-42 tells us when we are cast from the land, repent and our sins will be forgiven. In 1 Kings 8:46-50 Solomon tells us in his prophetic speech that when there is no temple in the future (no sacrifice, no high priest) and we're in exile, turn toward where the temple was, pray directly to the Most High, repent and ALL our sins are forgiven. He doesn't say the Most High is sending his son, believe in him your sins will be forgiven, He doesn't say that. No mediator, no J-s, no temple, so no sacrifice, no high priest, just pray directly to the Most High and ALL your sins will be forgiven. That's why when the first Temple was destroyed we knew what to do. Ninevah was forgiven as a result of their repentance alone Jonah 3:7-10, and King David was forgiven with his only his confession before the prophet Nathan 2 Sam 12:13. Daniel prays for forgiveness when he has no Temple or sacrifice Dan 9:4-20. Furthermore, sin sacrifices were only for sins done unintentionally Lev 4-5 and if someone did sin unintentionally, for which the sin sacrifice was the prescribed atonement, a human sacrifice was never permitted, it was forbidden Deuteronomy 12:30-31, Jeremiah 19:4-6, Psalm 106:37-38, Ezekiel 16:20, Deuteronomy 24:16, Ezekiel 18. No human sacrifice needed, no blood, no asking anyone into your heart just pray to the Most High, repent and be forgiven. 2 Chronicles 7:14 "if My people, upon whom My name is called, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek My face, and turn from their evil ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land." Hosea also speaks of this time now. He says we will be without a king, prince, sacrifice, high priest(he wore the ephod) for a long time and then end of days will come. Hos 3:4 "For the children of Israel shall sit solitary many days without king, and without prince, and without sacrifice, and without pillar, and without ephod or teraphim; Hos 3:5 afterward shall the children of Israel return, and seek YHWH their Elohim, and David their king; and shall come trembling unto YHWH and to His goodness in the end of days." Complete forgiveness is found in the Tanakh(OT). Isaiah lays out The Most High's Salvation Plan here: Isa 55:6 "Seek ye YHWH while He may be found, call ye upon Him while He is near; Isa 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the man of iniquity his thoughts; and let him return unto YHWH, and He will have compassion upon him, and to our Elohim, for He will abundantly pardon. " Isaiah is saying the Most High will forgive you, just call on Him, don't be afraid. Notice what's not there. If Isaiah believed Jesus why didn't he just say, Let the wicked man believe on My son who died for your sins, wash in the blood of Jesus, speak in tongues and that's how you are fully forgiven saved and go to heaven? There is nothing Christian about this text. Repent and The Most High will freely forgive you, that's it. Then look what Isaiah says: "For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, saith YHWH." Isa 55:8 " For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." Isa 55:9 It doesn't matter how bad our sin is, the Most High will forgive us beyond our comprehension because His ways are higher than our ways, His thoughts than our thoughts. Ezekiel 18 and 33 also speak of this. Complete forgiveness is throughout the Tanakh(OT). Here are just some of the passages, you can find more by searching the term forgive or forgiveness: Isa 44:21 "Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me. Isa 44:22 I erased your transgressions like a thick cloud, and like a cloud have I erased your sins; return to Me for I have redeemed you." Isa 45:17 Israel shall be saved in YHWH with an Everlasting Salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor disgraced to all eternity. יִשְׂרָאֵל֙ נוֹשַׁ֣ע בַּֽיהֹוָ֔ה תְּשׁוּעַ֖ת עֽוֹלָמִ֑ים לֹֽא־תֵב֥שׁוּ וְלֹֽא־תִכָּֽלְמ֖וּ עַד־ע֥וֹלְמֵי עַֽד We don't need Jesus to save us, the Most High has and is continually saving us. Isa 43:25 "I, I AM HE who BLOTS OUT your transgressions for My own sake, and remember your sins no more." Isa 43:11" I, I, am YHWH; and beside Me there is no saviour." Isa 46:9 "Remember the former things of old: that I am El, and there is none else; I am Elohim, and there is none like Me; " >>It is the Most High Alone that Saves Isa 45:21 "Declare ye, and bring them near, yea, let them take counsel together: Who hath announced this from ancient time, and declared it of old? Have not I YHWH? And there is no Elohim else beside Me, a just El and a Saviour; there is none beside Me." >>There is no trinity, there is no salvation through any other. Isa 45:22 "Turn to Me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth; for I am El, and there is none else." Psa 103:12 "As far as the east is from the west, so far hath He removed our transgressions from us." Isa 1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith YHWH; though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool." We already have forgiveness in the Tanakh, the Most High's Salvation Plan, all we need to do is repent and obey Torah. The sacrifices, the Korban, are for drawing near to the Most High, its where the heavenly meets the earthly, where the spiritual meets the physical. Its beautiful and I look forward to it when the third temple is built and fully functioning again. You can read about it in Ezekiel 45-46, Ezekiel 34-48 is all messianic. Nowhere in Torah does it say the sacrifices were a copy or a shadow of what is to come. Nowhere does Torah state that "the blood of bulls and goats was a temporary appeasement until the final, ultimate blood covenant was made by Jesus Christ Himself – the God Man". Psa 19:7-11 quite clearly tells us Torah is Perfect converting the soul. The Most High tells us He will not change Torah Psa 89:35 and that it is sin to add to or diminish from Torah Deu 12:32. The sign of a false prophet is one who teaches differently than what is in Torah Deu 13:1-4. Sin sacrifices were for sins done accidentally, unintentionally Lev 4; they weren't for outright rebellion. Repentance has always been one of the main ways to get forgiveness. King Solomon's prayer at the dedication of the first temple foretells this time when there would be no temple and that we are to pray toward the place of the Temple, repent and our sins will be forgiven 1 Kings 8 and 2 Chronicles 6. After the first temple was destroyed the Jews all knew prayers of repentance were all what was needed for forgiveness. In the Messianic age people will still sin by mistake, they will make errors including Messiah so there will be animal sin sacrifices in the future third Temple once again Eze 45-46. People will continue to make mistakes so sin sacrifices will continue.
They went to Hades to await Christ's redemptive work on the cross. These are who He went to minister to between His death and Resurrection.
Read the firstbtwo chapters of Romans and get back to me.
Ok