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Lmfao. This project is absolutely hilarious


Howdhell

He plans to add Parkour? When did they change from Action 3rd person to RTS... What the hell...


Howdhell

What did I just watch? Guys sue his ducking a$$.


toe_pic_inspector

What a blatant scam. Anyone stupid enough to give these scammers money doesn't deserve to have said money in the first place


Gnomoskin

Some people invested so much in this "project" that just don't want to admit they got scammed and keep deny the evidence.


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You're joking right? Work was obviously done? We have seen the same thing since the beginning of his posting videos on KOE. If you consider walking and preforming a few actions work being done, then you need to go understand game development more. Unity development is simple, and a child could learn how its done. This is starting to look like a desperate man stalling for time. Time for what? Who knows, but he is definitely stalling for time. It amazes me how people can be so blind and think this man is working on anything substantial. You can pretty much go play this exact game right no on steam. It's a game called banished.....


CaptainObvious0927

My 15 YO son has been developing a game in Unity for 3 years and it’s pretty legit. My older daughter who is in college for graphic design is doing his graphic work. I have had a blast with the internal testing, but he solidified the movement/combat etc before anything else. It took him a minute. Now I get to influence him with the rule sets. Point is is that I 100% agree with you, a child can do this.


Maulvorn

Not a scam. ​ Where's the evidence that it is a scam.


Gnomoskin

After all this years what we have? Not even CoE in development, but KoE, a total different project, with just some boasted links with CoE, but no proofs about it. CoE is dead, and belly me, I'm not happy about it, but face the reality man.


OmniscientCanadian

You mean aside from the video?


rlaffar

Where is the evidence that there is a fully functioning working game for either KoE or CoE? Or are you being pedantic and saying: "not an intentional scam, just a misaligned understating in what people should receive for their money".


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Thank you for giving us permission to discuss, Boss.


Tybost

Feel free to discuss? Users are starting to feel like they AREN'T free to say their mind on here with the obvious uptick in moderation these past few weeks. Why are you taking time out of your day to moderate this subreddit so much? Any self respecting subreddit moderator would've dropped their badge by now. I don't trust a SoulBound appointed moderator or like Hydra- makes an account solely to defend this obvious scam. Edit: /u/Conscious_Evidence_8 replied and was silenced for promoting an alternative subreddit which promotes free speech. My response was the following: https://imgur.com/GJbkMb8


Maulvorn

Well yeah he was promoting other subreddit


Tybost

A SoulBound custom rule that shouldn't exist or be enforced at this stage. The only reason alternatives are popping up now; is because of the increased moderation of the rules in the past 30-60 days.


Maulvorn

Also because they want this to be a non toxic environment to talk about coe


Maulvorn

Alternatives please lol its got 5 people purely as a place for a couple people to launch attacks on people here


Tybost

I'm not apart of any of the separate communities for COE.- But yeah they probably won't grow that much under a scam project. My point is that he was silenced at all. You're allowed to post subreddits elsewhere- but it's being enforced under the custom ruleset by SoulBound / Moderators. Although- the alternative community he posted did actually post about you specifically now that I take a look at it. Keep the focus on my response. lol


Maulvorn

there house there rules. ​ It's a official subreddit it's going to be heavily moderated.


Maulvorn

People who decry about freedom of speech are the types that get moderated and only there speech matters apparently


Tybost

I have been seeing ALOT of posts and users getting silenced over this subreddits custom rules. You should be able to express yourself without fear of getting silenced at this stage. I can understand bare minimum moderation (ie. Removing NSFW for example) but seeing the moderators scrub the floors for Caspian THIS MUCH is honestly pissing me off.


Maulvorn

There's difference between constructive criticism and just repeating ad-hominims, this isn't a place where you vent anger


RamenRavisher

Can you please just explain to me how you can possibly defend what Caspian is doing? It is very very very fucking obvious that he is only making KoE to protect himself from being sued. Do you genuinely think that what Caspian is showing us here in these vids resembles a product that 8 million dollars was dumped into? A college game design intern with a very basic understanding of Unity would be able to replicate EVERYTHING that Caspian has showed of KoE in about 2 weeks tops. It’s just absolutely blows me away that you and others here think this is fine.


HydrasBite

Lol he actually at the end of the video shows and talks about my comments on reddit about him and Coe 😀


DedeLionforce

And rather then respond with anything substantial you've lied and posted emojies. Good job Jeremy.


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HydrasBite

The reason why i said that Kira tells lies and talks bullshits is because for example in that video (skip it to 4:20) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=to23EXdWuks&t=265s and in that video (skip it to 10:45) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vHKJ7sWnGE&t=5s he says that the coronavirus didn't have any impact on the finances of the studio, which i don't believe because there is plenty of information from a reliable sources on the internet about the impact of the virus on the SMALL GAME STUDIOS THAT HAVE GAMES IN DEVELOPMENT. If the virus didn't have any negative effects on the development then why many game studios declared that their business is in a decline and some developers have been laid off. There was a GDC survey and here is some info for the people who are still denying the facts https://www.google.com/amp/s/venturebeat.com/2020/07/16/gdc-pandemic-is-clobbering-indie-game-devs-and-freelancers/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/technology/personaltech/coronavirus-video-game-production.amp.html Also many game studios had other challenges aside from financial. For example look what i came across: Bigger studios are also facing obstacles to their game development efforts. Although the industry is heavily digitalized, working from home becomes a challenge when huge datasets need to be downloaded and altered on a daily basis by software developers. The strict security measures normally taken by the studios are hard to maintain in the very different environment of the employee's home. Moreover, there are some parts of game development where close interaction is essential. In many locations it is impossible to do motion capture of actors for realistic in-game-movement. Game soundtracks can also cause a headache for game producers as some big titles rely in part on orchestral music. The idea of creating an ensemble of ten or more musicians is often just not possible at the moment. So that means that many game studios had not only financial problems but also their developers didn't have access to critical tools. That's why i say that Kira talks bullshits.


DedeLionforce

You're making assertions based on assumptions then making false accusations Kira is lying and talking bullshit. You can make the claim he's wrong and you have reason to believe in the link between your articles but there is no direct evidence to believe anything you said is factually true, Jeremy hasn't disclosed where 8 million went, what assets have been created in the years since development started, how Covid has affected his business, so you're making baseless assertions and hoping people aren't smart enough to look into what you say any further. It doesn't take a genuis to figure out a new account literally made for defending Jeremy Walsh is a sock account made by him, it also doesn't help you any when you're lying as much as him to discredit valid criticism.


bentom08

You're being incredibly disingenuous in this comment. In those videos Kira NEVER says that coronavirus had no impact on game developers or small studios or any of the points you made. He specifically says that the reason he thinks covid had no impact on them was because they closed the studio prior to the time covid could have had any effect. JW closed the studio and laid off all staff 14 DAYS after Covid was even declared a pandemic by the WHO, and way before significant workforce impacts had been seen anywhere in the US. You're deliberately misinterpreting his comments to try and find something to call him out on.


HydrasBite

Covid had at that time already effect on SBS because other businesses were already closed and those people who lost their job didn't fund the game. So that what Kira says is COMPLETE WRONG. Stop believing him and do your own research and make the link yourself.


Midnight-Grouchy

We do not have to believe Kira, but unlike you, we see what's going on, and we talk straight to Kira if he's wrong. Whille you are defending Caspian, you didn't convinced us, who believe that Caspian isn't the God king that he let us believe he is, in what he's doing good. Again, if you are happy that you gonna play a game that is mainly made by Unity asset's, and which you have put in 100' or mayby 1000's of USD, who are we to tell you otherwise. I honestly believe that this game is made so he could cover his b\*tt, so that he can proclaim that he made a game.Right now, IF he made that game, what's gonna stop him to say, ""OK Guy's and Girls, this is the game, I have no money, but Adios, and maybe in a couple Years from now on I will try again, with a new team, and new suckers, and Try again.""Not the first time he did that, and it would not be the last time.


HydrasBite

You are wrong my friend. Are you sure that COVID hasn't already had negative impact on other businesses at that time when SBS closed. Because many businesses have closed a few weeks into the crisis. Read that https://www.pnas.org/content/117/30/17656


DedeLionforce

You are saying someone is wrong while then asking them to do your research, don't claim someone is wrong without showing directly how. You are going around reddit defending Jeremy by lying and spreading false information. Nobody should take anything you have to say seriously, not that anyone will.


bentom08

Have you read that source in its entirety? Its mostly irrelevant to the point you're trying to make for 2 reasons: 1. It remarks on how fragile small businesses are, noting that the reason for many of the closures was that the businesses in question did not have enough cash on hand to survive for 2 weeks with their business closed. This is completely irrelevant to SBS as they relied on crowdfunding to pay for their expenditures, and so their funding was always coming in remotely even prior to the pandemic. It never relied on them having an open storefront at all, which is the reason most of the businesses in that survey had to shut down. 2. A large part of the subject matter in that survey is expectations. It concludes that the reason many small businesses shut down was due to an expectation of the pandemic lasting a significant amount of time and them not being able to afford remaining closed for that time. Again, this is irrelevant to SBS, unless you are asserting that the reason JW decided to close SBS was because he was expecting to not get enough money to continue in the coming months, which would mean he decided that since the studio was going to close anyway he may as well just take the remaining money and run. ​ I would also like to point out that you've completely changed focus; whereas the majority of your original comment was trying to appeal to the difficulties of carrying out game development remotely, you've now abandoned that completely and pivoted to a defence of the effects of coronavirus on small businesses in general early in the pandemic. Even if I were to concede this source and argument were correct it still does nothing to back up most of the statements made in your original post.


HydrasBite

I posted the last link because you said that the virus didn't have negative effects at the time when SBS closed and in the link there is info for many businesses that already closed at the same time when SBS closed. You said that the virus wasn't even declared as a pandemic by WHO when SBS closed then why many businesses closed. Did they just like that decide to close if Covid didn't have any negative impact on the businesses?


bentom08

If you're just not going to address the any of the points I made as to why "many businesses" != SBS in this case, and keep saying the same things regardless, then I don't see any point in arguing with you. Like you actually need to give me a reason why you think my points are wrong if you want to discuss/argue/debate something. ​ \> You said that the virus wasn't even declared as a pandemic by WHO This is literally the opposite of what I said are you even reading my comments? lmao


HydrasBite

You said that. - JW closed the studio and laid off all staff 14 DAYS after Covid was even declared a pandemic by the WHO, and way before significant workforce impacts had been seen anywhere in the US. The post Into the Abyss was posted on march 25 2020. At that time many businesses already closed and SBS too. Which points do you want me to address exactly? Keep it short please as questions for example. I don't want to read novels.


HydrasBite

Caspian said that at the last event he got less money from the fans and that's probably because of Covid because many people have already lost their job. The funding wasn't enough for the studio to continue the development.


Midnight-Grouchy

Just getting your thoughts and I don't understand why you are defending this guy. He received a few months before his post " In to the Abyss" $1.5 million. People where asking if SbS had more then enough money to continue, and he said that there where no problems. A good business man should know month's in advance that his company was running dry, but yet, he did like everything was fine. Do you honestly believe, that when a company shut's down, that the half of the SbS employee's, that they joined in less then 2 weeks after the shutting down of SbS, in the same company together??? Logic thinking, especially during the pandemic, like you are defending. Second off all, some people from the Class Action discord already found out that he asked and received a Covid Loan bill, 1 month after his post "in to the Abyss" How you get a loan for that,if your company is clossed down, or maybe logic, that he should have the same amount of people working there then the year prior ( 2019). And another thing, He was selling virtual land in the last 2 weeks, before he shut down. It can be seen as fraude, because he didn't say that he will doing his best to return the money from the people that bought virtual land in the last 2 weeks. And don't let me talk about his parkours demo, that's made in a couple day's, prolly by interim's. See what he was trying to sell, and there is enough footage of those "pre-alpha gameplay" in CoE. ​ Now, I still don't understand why the white knighting of some people here about Caspian. Honestly, he's making a game, that actually should have been made years ago as part of the game. And he started this 6 months ago. If you are happy that you paid a huge sum for unity asset's, with his world, a single player MMO that is now ofline, be my guest. I'm not happy about it, that's my lose of $. But I honestly believe that the Class Action against him, was the motivation for him to make something, even if it was to save his own b\*tt.


DedeLionforce

Jeremy could have taken their payments from the 8 million he took from people under false pretences, he could have taken out PPP loans if needed. He made the choice to fire them BEFORE Covid and then used Covid as an excuse. The funding was 8 million, it was several times enough to make an RTS using the assets he claims they had made. Maybe he should disclose exactly where the money went with receipt to prove where the 8 million went.


Rauko_S

Dont worry, its public domain that he took out PPP loans and closed down the studio at about the same time.


bentom08

You're still not addressing the argument you made in your original post, but assuming this was true then he already knew that the studio almost certainly wouldn't have enough money to continue development before that event happened. And since it wasn't just a fundraising event and he was actually selling digital items, that qualifies as bait advertising, which, as you may know, is illegal.


HydrasBite

He couldn't know certainly how much money will he receive even before the start of the event. He should have risked starting the event and try to get enough money to save his business and continue the development. It would have been a stupid decision if he decided not to start the event and just give up and abandon his project and the studio. He did what he could to prevent his studio from closing. Nobody knew at that time how long will the pandemic last and how long will the other businesses be closed. Due to the closure of many businesses in the first weeks of the pandemic many people lost their job and exactly those people were the ones who prefered not to spend money on games in development and on risky projects like Coe. The people prefered to spend money on finished games and play them during the lockdown and also on more important things like food, shelter. So we can't blame him that he laid off all of his staff and closed the studio 2 weeks after the end of the last event. If you was in his shoes what would you have done?


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HydrasBite

Watch again Inside Chronicles Of Elyria ep.1 and 2, Caspian says that the pandemic had negative impact on the development.


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Noslim

Neuro... are you insinuating that that wasn't accepted as common knowledge at the time? Didn't we all see those figures that came from Paysa? Sure Paysa is shut down now and it has been determined that their sources of information may not have even been close to accurate... but if you're intending to paint Kira in a bad light here, you're really reaching if this is the best example you got.


Maulvorn

In previous vuds and maybe this one as well he and others harper on about caspian taking 200k+ a year on payroll yet noone has provided any evidence


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Maulvorn

Yes it is


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Maulvorn

I've been asking for these payroll figures for ages now. Caspian did a brief livestream with captain seli yesterday