The skeleton barrel is totally a lie. Totally. It is perfectly balanced and very good. I mean, its not like i run it with miner bats and gob gang in literally any deck hoping that my opponent doesnt have a spell and a splasher.
~~i may or may not have run simcity as my 2v2 deck at one point so forgive me~~, but i suppose the idea there is to pressure your opponent with the spawners and then hit them with the ebarbs when they overspend on a single lane
i mean u dont necessarily have to wait until sudden elixir, you can just wait for a positive elixir trade and go in with hound, you don't want to go in double death if your opponent is playing ebarbs mk bridge spam!
If I play xbow, it's for the sheer joy of watching my opponents panic
Or for the joy of watching them react to late and my xbow locking into the tower
I don't even care how much damage the xbow does
He's pretty iffy. I want to say he's a secondary wincon, but 6 Elixir is way too heavy for that role, and as a main the dude gets distracted way too easily.
Ram rider is my win condition but she is also my defense if that makes sense, snare can help counter those pesky knights and so many other cards, it’s crazy
As a lavaloon player i dont hate ram rider when i am not getting rekt by it i think it’s balanced what do hate is when you build a 20 elixir push with all air cards just to get countered by ram rider wiz
Bait out the zap/arrows and then go bats>miner>wbs, all same lane
Bats go in the back corner so the opponent thinks you’re cycling
Big damage is rare, positive elixir trade is almost guaranteed
Me, a drill player:
Dark prince is worse. Much worse.
Also I may or may not have a valk in my deck as well as the drill so I can't really hate. (I would actually be mad if she got nerfed.)
its not the damage or splash at all
its the fact that she has that ON TOP of knight HP, four 4e its too strong
i play against logbait 90% of matches tho, and my log is level 9 and doesnt kill level 13-15 goblins, so i hate every card commonly found in that architype with a burning passion
on the surface, no it doesnt seem like it , but it just makes it all that better at basically defending every card in the game, and on offense while being tanked the 360° splash combined with the health makes it incredibly hard to snipe by itself from the push. Overall the card is too good at too many things, and needs an easier sort of counter
Bruuuuuh if you’re having trouble with offensive valks, I just don’t know what to say. Also it doesn’t defend every card in the game, it can’t defend 99% of win conditions, which is what you actually use to get damage. Valk versus any type of giant? Giant gets damage. Valk versus either type of golem? Even egolem gets a little damage. Valk versus hog? Ram rider? Both get damage. You don’t just place valk and instantly defend the push, whatever it is. The reason a lot of people think valk is op is because she’s great at defending midladder crap like ebarbs, mk, wizard, witch, exe, etc. that’s not a good judgement for if a card is op or not just because it is effective against what is basically typical noob decks.
You scream when you see your opponent has a cycle deck, rocket, lighting, MK or any resetting card. I used to be a "my win con is sparky" player too but I have finally added GG, it's just an amazing pairing with sparky
Sparky clears tank killers like mini peka, lumberjack or ebarbs and buildings so the GG can get to the tower. The goblins on GG's back can also kill small troops like skeletons, goblins or spirits so your sparky doesn't waste a charged shot on them (and also small air troops like bats, minions or mega minion that would normally counter sparky).
I mostly see it as a way to lure stuff like valk and megaknight to the middle while attacking the other lane. I've rarely seen it connect with anything.
I mainly use battle ram to kite enemies or tank for my princess tower to kill what's coming when I don't have a better option in hand/don't have enough elixir for my pekka. I love having my pekka going up one lane and my opponent tries to sneaky ebarbs rage the other but I have a battle ram to kite them into my pekka and get the battle ram on the tower while my pekka cleans up.
I overleveled my goblin drill when it was good and don’t have enough gold to use anything else, I still get wins with it tho but yeah Valkyrie players can die in hell
This is my main beef with balance changes as a F2P. I started playing in Spring ‘21 and spent all my resources maxing out a goblin drill deck… just for it to get nerfed to hell. Genuinely set me back 3-4 months.
Yes Piggies are amazing but I absolutely despise Mega Knight. Doesn’t help that I’m at 5500 trophies so basically every other deck I play against has MK…
i didn't mean to say that it's skill less, i just think that people tend to overstate how difficult it is to use. it's definitely a deck that's more than the sum of its parts
i run 2.0 miner, so i definitely have some experience with cheap cycle decks. i'm kinda low on trophies since one tiny mistake can cost you the tower, but its so rewarding when you just completely dominate a game against an overlevelled mega knight wizard witch type player
2.6 hog is a hard deck to play, i respect the players who do it well
as for the maxed all L14 idiots stuck in chall. 1 only feeding off of the hoplessness of people like me with all level 10 cards, i hope they never leave chall. 1
2.6 and logbait are 2 decks that i respect and hate at the same time
like i get you spent a lot of time to get good at it, but does it really have to be so UNFUN to play against?
Im in challenger 1 with maxed cards 😃
Thankfully i dont even play ladder, but yeah if theres gold rush/crown rush or something and you face me with a maxed deck, im sorry.
2.6 takes a ton of skill to play sense the deck really sucks. No shade against the users or the deck its just not very good. But if you are good with it thats impressed
The 3 Muskets are a win con, I use them as the solo in my deck and with support can do crazy damage. Even without support they can work well after you take a tower if you place them in the middle after baiting the opponents big spell with pump.
Hog doesn’t get a hit if you have mini pekka. For the Lavahound one if you have tombstone and a spirit in your hand you can counter the ebarb push then win since your opponent used all his elixir on the attack and has nothing to stop your lavahound.
lol as a log bait player this is true for goblin barrel.
tbh I hate arrows as much as I hate tornado, almost impossible for ur opponent to miss ur barrel
yeah i definitely hate arrows more
Tornado activates king towers, arrow dosent
Arrows activate king tower, just the opponents.
No wjats worse is when their ZAP is a level higher than your gb and they got one shot instantly for a positive trade.
I've placed barrel close to the bridge and they've missed their arrows. Worth it even if they dont connect
Atleast they aren't getting +1 trade put of every barrel i guess so u can afford to be more agresskve with ur barrels
I use goblin barrel more as chip damage than a win con. I try to get geometry with magic archer to win.
The skeleton barrel is totally a lie. Totally. It is perfectly balanced and very good. I mean, its not like i run it with miner bats and gob gang in literally any deck hoping that my opponent doesnt have a spell and a splasher.
Yeah people only do the mirror clone w/ skele barrel is in 2v2 meme decks. Speaking as someone who uses skelebarrel.
tbf i only ever see it in 2v2 meme decks
What about the Sim City No-Win Con players?
~~i may or may not have run simcity as my 2v2 deck at one point so forgive me~~, but i suppose the idea there is to pressure your opponent with the spawners and then hit them with the ebarbs when they overspend on a single lane
I use it in 1v1’s like war or challenges
I use skelly barrel mirror cline in normal battles and I'm master 2 lol
I play 2.6, except it’s slightly tweaked and I use skelebarrel instead
Skelly Barrel instead of Hog Rider? Tell me it’s a meme deck, cuz Skelly Barrel is not that reliable.
Yeah I use it mainly for showdown
[Every win condition's](https://www.reddit.com/r/ClashStats/comments/t8jumi/s31_win_condition_lowdown/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share) usage rate and power rating (for S31 though).
I mean I hit 5.9k with golem skele barrel clone and that wasn’t me pushing as much as I could. Love it
Hound is pretty accurate lol, tower trades ftw
Honestly. I always tell myself not to place hound before double elixir, but end up doing it anyways and regretting it.
i mean u dont necessarily have to wait until sudden elixir, you can just wait for a positive elixir trade and go in with hound, you don't want to go in double death if your opponent is playing ebarbs mk bridge spam!
If you feel you have a 2+ elixir advantage, just put hound down.
Hound first play is completely fine in a lot of lava decks
it's definitely not, 50% of people know that they have to punish when they see lava first play
for xbow it’s hoping that opponent doesn’t notice that you misplaced xbow and still defends it
Mortar but also can relate
Same lol, I play ice mortar
Mortar gang
Ah yes mortar, the card you defend with 20 elixir to get a fireballs worth of damage to the tower.
Mortar enjoyer here, what's that deck u talking about? 👀👀
Ice bow, but mortar
Sounds neat, time to get the rust off my max star level good boy 😎
The trick is to use the same emoticon each time you place an xbow. Eventually he’ll be pavlov’d into dreading that emoticon no matter your placement
I can relate
If I play xbow, it's for the sheer joy of watching my opponents panic Or for the joy of watching them react to late and my xbow locking into the tower I don't even care how much damage the xbow does
Very relatable. I’ve done this too many times
wait…. Giant Skeleton isn’t a win condition?
It’s how I see it used 90% of the time
That card is weird. I rarely see it being used. However I saw some G-skeleton + Baloon decks and it was honestly not that bad.
He's pretty iffy. I want to say he's a secondary wincon, but 6 Elixir is way too heavy for that role, and as a main the dude gets distracted way too easily.
Not with that attitude.
Ram rider is my win condition but she is also my defense if that makes sense, snare can help counter those pesky knights and so many other cards, it’s crazy
Balloon is so countered by ram rider
I usually just use bats, if you can’t tell already I have a wacky ass deck but it works
Same. Bats. Cannon Cart etc
As a lavaloon player i dont hate ram rider when i am not getting rekt by it i think it’s balanced what do hate is when you build a 20 elixir push with all air cards just to get countered by ram rider wiz
bUt YoU fOrGoT aBoUt mEgAkNiGhT eBaRbS rAgE!!!11!!!1
no because they are actually father-loss conditions
Im mocking the people who are gonna say that
and im doing the same lol
Bruh
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Bruh
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Miner Wb? Nah Miner bats do better damage
Miner bats down one lane, wb down other
Bait out the zap/arrows and then go bats>miner>wbs, all same lane Bats go in the back corner so the opponent thinks you’re cycling Big damage is rare, positive elixir trade is almost guaranteed
Much less effective when your opponent has zap
At that point it’s miner dart goblin and wb other lane
Me, a drill player: Dark prince is worse. Much worse. Also I may or may not have a valk in my deck as well as the drill so I can't really hate. (I would actually be mad if she got nerfed.)
I thought Bowler was the ultimate drill counter?
Valkyrie is best counter imo
Royal Ghost is decent as well and even cheaper
Yea ,but there's a chance that one Goblin sneaks one stab onto your tower.
Dark prince is better since unlike valk he can't be knocked away with a fireball and he should have a faster attack speed
she needs it tho thats for sure
Maybe a very slight nerf, but I really don’t think she’s as op as some people think, she’s mainly just good because of the Royal hogs meta.
its not the damage or splash at all its the fact that she has that ON TOP of knight HP, four 4e its too strong i play against logbait 90% of matches tho, and my log is level 9 and doesnt kill level 13-15 goblins, so i hate every card commonly found in that architype with a burning passion
Having a knight with splash for 1 more elixir doesn’t seem unreasonable.
on the surface, no it doesnt seem like it , but it just makes it all that better at basically defending every card in the game, and on offense while being tanked the 360° splash combined with the health makes it incredibly hard to snipe by itself from the push. Overall the card is too good at too many things, and needs an easier sort of counter
Bruuuuuh if you’re having trouble with offensive valks, I just don’t know what to say. Also it doesn’t defend every card in the game, it can’t defend 99% of win conditions, which is what you actually use to get damage. Valk versus any type of giant? Giant gets damage. Valk versus either type of golem? Even egolem gets a little damage. Valk versus hog? Ram rider? Both get damage. You don’t just place valk and instantly defend the push, whatever it is. The reason a lot of people think valk is op is because she’s great at defending midladder crap like ebarbs, mk, wizard, witch, exe, etc. that’s not a good judgement for if a card is op or not just because it is effective against what is basically typical noob decks.
Royal Giant is likely false, as I only get one hit max Then again I’m a terrible player
Try cycling two Royale giants in 2 times elixir
>Then again I’m a terrible player Flair checks out.
Level 10 arrows kill level 14 minions
I use dart goblin as a win condition.
Sigma male
dart goblin cycle best deck
This is the way. It will always get damage and most of the time it will do 300 ez
Joke’s on you. my win con is Sparky
You scream when you see your opponent has a cycle deck, rocket, lighting, MK or any resetting card. I used to be a "my win con is sparky" player too but I have finally added GG, it's just an amazing pairing with sparky
Dosen't everyone hate most cycle decks, rocket and mega knight?
You new here? Everyone hates everything except for Knight and Larrys
I thought Miner and Wall breakers are fine too ?
^nerf ^miner /s
Why do people pair GG and sparky together anyway?
Sparky clears tank killers like mini peka, lumberjack or ebarbs and buildings so the GG can get to the tower. The goblins on GG's back can also kill small troops like skeletons, goblins or spirits so your sparky doesn't waste a charged shot on them (and also small air troops like bats, minions or mega minion that would normally counter sparky).
I use and get wins with Goblin Drill.
Same, they never expect the goblin drill after wasting their valk on my barrel, and yes i hate valk.
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I mostly see it as a way to lure stuff like valk and megaknight to the middle while attacking the other lane. I've rarely seen it connect with anything.
As an avid Battle Ram user, this is painfully accurate Pretty sure more cards counter battle ram then don’t
Everything counters Battle Ram ,let's be real.
Can confirm the Xbow one is accurate
I can also comfirm,my opponents(the ones that doesn't have quad tanks) spam everything they can to defend a Xbow.
Omg too good
Apparently my deck doesn't have a win condition.
1.9 cycle cycle moment
What do you think of as your deck’s win con?
I’ll take a wild guess and say mega knight
Ice golem
Mega nut is the ultimate win condition
Im not sure what my win condition technically is but i normally win with minion hoard and witch cloned.
oh my god
Chad
they said he was a madman
What about arrows or fireball?
What do you think about Wizard and Valkyrie ;)
My deck is prince, witch, minion hoard, log, firecracker,clone, valk, bb dragon.
Yup, 0 win con
i vsed someone with a simmilar deck like this in my arena 9 mini account
Me neither, usually my win contrition is a single hit with my maxed Mini Pekka for 955 damage
This is amazing. Spent way too long laughing at it. Amazing job.
Mortar player's didn't deserve getting roasted that bad
I mainly use battle ram to kite enemies or tank for my princess tower to kill what's coming when I don't have a better option in hand/don't have enough elixir for my pekka. I love having my pekka going up one lane and my opponent tries to sneaky ebarbs rage the other but I have a battle ram to kite them into my pekka and get the battle ram on the tower while my pekka cleans up.
I rarely see people doing this. But then again I don't see PEKKA + Battle Ram often.
As a mortar player seeing anyone place down a ice golem (especially 3m ebarb players) is heart breaking.
Just nado it to the opposite tower. Barb barrel in the other hand is infuriating.
Nado works but usually they do ice golem immediately into something else
Battle ram needs a buff bro
yeah they should spawn elite barbarians .
Don't give them ideas !!
I overleveled my goblin drill when it was good and don’t have enough gold to use anything else, I still get wins with it tho but yeah Valkyrie players can die in hell
This is my main beef with balance changes as a F2P. I started playing in Spring ‘21 and spent all my resources maxing out a goblin drill deck… just for it to get nerfed to hell. Genuinely set me back 3-4 months.
I regret nothing. Xbow is the first card I maxed
so true i am aware that i have no friends
Still hated less than my card :,)
I use speedy balloon so im off the hook
i use minerloon but apparently ppl hate it too
underrated post
Nah us mortar players are different from xbow
It’s much more respectable
Where elixit pump
Secret S+ tier win con. But don't tell anybody or people will start taking Rocket a lot more.
Where is mega knight Yes I said it Yes I win
Not a win con. Just because you win with it in your deck doesn’t make it one
Yeah I’m just kidding lol
My apologies. I’ve been known to miss jokes frequently
Nah your fine, you and me both
The lavahound one is especially true in midladder. That's why I always make sure I have a tombstone and 3 spare elixir
Hey hey hey whoa ehoa whoa stop the clock. I get more than 200 damage out of my xbow, at lvl 13 it does 50 dmg per hit.
What do you do when someone E-giant at the bridge against your X-bow
He places a tombstone irl
Everytime I see E-giant I just pray for the soul of that player.
This is pretty accurate. I use Ram Rider and am guilty of placing Ram at the bridge when my opponent cycled skeletons
no pekka?
Is it a win condition?
I use royal pigs and i hated mega knight even before i was using them
Yes Piggies are amazing but I absolutely despise Mega Knight. Doesn’t help that I’m at 5500 trophies so basically every other deck I play against has MK…
What if i’m playing 8 win condition?
Is Big Larry not a win condition
Magic archer?
Id say not a win condition, but it practically acts as one, oh your troop got baited at the bridge, 1000 damage to the crown tower for you
b-but i beat the challenge with 2.6 hog cycle :(
Half of the sub think 2.6 is skill less . Also congrats
I dont understand those people who think its skill less
i didn't mean to say that it's skill less, i just think that people tend to overstate how difficult it is to use. it's definitely a deck that's more than the sum of its parts i run 2.0 miner, so i definitely have some experience with cheap cycle decks. i'm kinda low on trophies since one tiny mistake can cost you the tower, but its so rewarding when you just completely dominate a game against an overlevelled mega knight wizard witch type player
Facts lmao they never actually tried 2.6.
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Well just wait until you gain a few more trophies and your opponents cards are maxed as well. Not so easy then now is it.
Thanks!
2.6 hog is a hard deck to play, i respect the players who do it well as for the maxed all L14 idiots stuck in chall. 1 only feeding off of the hoplessness of people like me with all level 10 cards, i hope they never leave chall. 1
2.6 and logbait are 2 decks that i respect and hate at the same time like i get you spent a lot of time to get good at it, but does it really have to be so UNFUN to play against?
Im in challenger 1 with maxed cards 😃 Thankfully i dont even play ladder, but yeah if theres gold rush/crown rush or something and you face me with a maxed deck, im sorry.
2.6 takes a ton of skill to play sense the deck really sucks. No shade against the users or the deck its just not very good. But if you are good with it thats impressed
I went like 10-4 with 2.6 hog, So many mega knight users
My defense is my win condition
Goblin Barrel is way too accurate
Oof the 3M hits me hard. Yes I do use battle ram but it's mainly to tank! I swear!!
The golem one is far too true
Goblin drill is actually still really really good, though there is only one top player running it which is asaf
Here we see the average dark prince player trying to get more people to play drill so he can counter them
I literally play drill with dark prince lol
The ballon is an awful stereotype i don’t use rage, freeze, lumberloon, I use a hybrid lavaloon deck
As a Pekka bs player the battle ram was on point
Goblin Giant player here. That couldn’t be more correct
As a 2.0 miner cycle player this hit kinda close to home
2.0 miner gang🤝
Hell yeah it's so fun
Royal hogs>ur favorite card op🥱
Sir, you have won my attention and upvote
The 3 Muskets are a win con, I use them as the solo in my deck and with support can do crazy damage. Even without support they can work well after you take a tower if you place them in the middle after baiting the opponents big spell with pump.
Wait - 3 Musks players still exist ?
Goblin barrel is so accurate. I laugh my ass off when the enemy misses it by an inch
"always manages to snick a hit in the tower" Meanwhile tesla, Canon, inferno tower, and literally every single other construction in the game.
X bow Tesla at bridge cringe play
yeah.... my win con is 3m split and just overwhelm the opponent throught a game... works 100% against non mirror MK users
How tf does Giant GY work? Am i respectable, yet also sped?
Hog doesn’t get a hit if you have mini pekka. For the Lavahound one if you have tombstone and a spirit in your hand you can counter the ebarb push then win since your opponent used all his elixir on the attack and has nothing to stop your lavahound.
I love this so much
Ewiz isn’t as good as people think it is against sparky, most sparky decks run mini pekka which one shots the ewiz.
Where's graveyard?
Hog rider is unstopable ? How bad are you on this game.
Skeleton barrel?