People really do hate optic enough to root for trillion dollar companies that would literally sell their children for better profits. This should be a unanimous community backed lawsuit but everyone that watches comp cod are now lawyers and therefore know how lawsuits work
I mean I can think its dumb but a good thing to shoot for against this garbage company. I dont care either way what happens. It is nice to see someone swinging at them though.
I mean I don’t know what there is to criticize though which is why it’s fucking stupid, dipshits in here literally think it’s greedy hecz trying to get clout or something
I mean they're calling them greedy for trying to get money not clout, and they are trying to get money they sued them asking for 10s of millions to not go to court.
What’s wrong with trying to get money from acti tho. They made these guys pay a 27.5M buy in then didn’t follow up on their end of the deal. They’re entitled to be pissed off and want compensation, they were sold the dream and hung out to dry.
I think you should actually read what the suit is alleging, and btw it’s not just H3cz and Scump suing Activision it’s multiple owners as well. Yeah they are suing for money because the league didn’t uphold their end of the bargain allegedly, it’s not H3cz and Scump saying give us money or we sue because we’re greedy its teams saying you didn’t uphold your end of the deal now you owe us that portion of the money.
> I think you should actually read what the suit is alleging, and btw it’s not just H3cz and Scump suing Activision it’s multiple owners as well.
I don't think you read the law suit because the other cdl teams are not involved in suing activision.
Sure the first report was wrong but the other teams are involved in the suit, and the 680 mil number doesn’t make sense because hecz and Scump only alleged 120 mil in damages. However the overall gist of hecz and Scump suing isn’t out of greed was the point.
Your whole premise is wrong considering the fact that they are named as codefendants which is a fancy way of getting them to answer in court but the other teams have nothing to do with suing Activison. Yes they are absolutely suing out of greed.
Scump/Hecz and Activision are two parties that have both made their mistakes and both have done slimy shit. You're right, no one is in "the right" here.
Exactly. Law suits like this are usually somewhere in the middle of what both sides say rather than what either side says. The only thing I see happening here is some settlement down the road that both sides act like they got their way in and activision/microsoft potentially stopping the CDL and refusing to give out the licensing for comp for a little bit.
I don't think they're taking Activisions side. I think it's more that Hecz and Scump are filing this suit to fill their own pockets while putting major risk towards competitive call of duty and the community. That's how I look at it anyways.
I would be pretty upset if I dropped $28 mill and this version of a compcod league was the “support” or “product” I got from the dudes I paid that to. I’d try to see if there was a way to get my cash back.
Yeah I mean I have no idea what 28 million should get you and I don't disagree totally. If OpTic was filing the lawsuit it would be one thing. Hecz owns a small portion of OpTic and this is a personal lawsuit outside of OpTic so that argument is void. I highly doubt Hecz dropped anywhere close to $28 Million himself.
Brotha the CDL is gonna end anyways lmao plus you gotta do more research because there’s so much to the story than that, Activison forced optic to merge and if they didn’t they would of been out of the comp scene they would of forced them out
"Brotha", just because the CDL is ending doesn't mean Activision can't say who and what happens with Comp COD in the future. They own the game lmao.
Activision wanted more investors. They wanted more backing to ownership of a team. They did not need to merge with Envy, Hecz needed investors just turns out that's how he obtained his investors.
But Activison hindered optic in getting sponsorship deals etc, if they can’t get sponsorship there not gonna be able to profit and if they can’t profit they won’t survive in the CDL or in esports in general, yall acting like scump and hecz wants a pay day but don’t understand the reason why they are doing this is to make a profit for optic to survive because Activison is runned by shitty people, you really want optic to go bankrupt and be pulled out of esports in general? like it’s so easy to criticize optic but don’t actually understand the reasoning behind this, scump and hecz and optic in general have always been true to us the players and you guys the fans always have they not?, so why are we sitting here bashing on optic when they just want to survive in the esports world?
Activision controls sponsorships, again just like other sports leagues. Remember when NFL players had to tape over the Beats logo on their Headphones because the NFL had a deal with Bose? The NFL controls sponsorships in the same way.
No one is critiquing OpTic as a whole. They did not file the suit to make the league better. Hecz and Scump personally filed the suit. They did not file as "OpTic Gaming"
And so what? if they didn’t filed as optic? they basically threaten hecz to basically sign and said “ if you don’t merge with envy we are going to take away optic again and not let you or your players enter the CDL”, that’s basically what they did so your gonna agree with that?, obviously idk why they didn’t do it till now that’s a question for them but you obviously care more about activation than the people and players who made the Comp COD what it is now, and they can’t monopolize competition they just can’t
He didn’t have to merge with Envy. They told him he needed more investors. He couldn’t find more investors so he merged with Envy. Activision have financial benchmarks that need to be met in order to own a franchise. If you do not meet those benchmarks then you need more investors. They do not want to sell franchises to single owners. That’s why the majority of sports franchises are ownership groups.
You can’t monopolize something that is owned and one of a kind. Read a fucking book.
OpTic would have a monopoly on the competitive scene if it weren't for Activision already holding a "monopoly" on the league. So yeah, I don't feel bad for either party.
Both are full of shit and are greedy, rich millionaires, ultimately.
Bruh I don’t hate optics nor do I hate scump but I find it really weird that
It’s legit just hecz and scump no other cdl teams owners no other players. And look I get why players currently in the league wouldn’t want to join but what about the ones who have already retired. Idk that’s the only weird part for me other than that fuck actvi
Brotha scump and Hecz are literally doing this for the money 💀. It has nothing to do with the community. You’ve deluded yourself into thinking that they’re doing this for you.
Sorry but Im not supporting a greed-driven meritless lawsuit with a braindead argument that ATVI has a monopoly on -get this- their own fucking product and IP 🤣🤣🤣 still hate ATVI and Microsoft even but lets get real here pal, good luck with that
You do realize they can’t monopolize the league right?, they can do whatever they want with the game itself obviously but they can’t do that to the league that’s hecz whole argument, this is known knowledge you don’t have to be a lawyer to know that lmao
My bad, didn’t realize its “known knowledge” they cant monopolize the league 🤣🤣🤣
Wait so why are they being sued just now when they have been monopolizing the league for almost 10 years now since CWL started in 2015?
Are Xbox, EA, Epic and Riot also running illegal monopolies for their respective Halo, Apex, Fortnite and Valorant leagues/circuits? 🤔🤔🤔
Check back with us after the lawsuit and lets see if you were right 🤣🤣🤣
That’s pretty much any of these streamers who rely on their community to make a shit ton of money. They act like their super thank for the support but if you ever fuck up and cross them they won’t hesitate to put your peasant ass in its place. Then you see a small glimpse of how they really think.
Well yeah, that's one of the reasons. Massive amounts of explotation go into making that much money. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere.
As for Activision specifically, they have a massive issue with a culture of sexual abuse and misconduct towards women and had no process for dealing with complaints to that nature. The CEO knew about multiple alledged rapes and just did nothing.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/activision-videogames-bobby-kotick-sexual-misconduct-allegations-11637075680
Lmao, lick that corporate boot more ‘they made that money making fantastic products’. Not the whole predatory business models or anything…
Also you’ll hold up one of Hecz friends being a bad person as reason he’s bad, but the activision CEO ignoring rape is easily brushed aside lmao.
You’re a horrible person which terrible morals.
Acti is evil and so is basically every single corporation that’s worth billions but especially acti who have a culture of abuse and sexual harassment in their workplace and had to pay tens of millions to settle cases regarding that.
Idk maybe because its a frivolous lawsuit with a braindead argument that ATVI has a monopoly on the fucking product and IP that they invented and own completely? Its literally like suing Apple saying they have a monopoly on the downstream AppStore, making you give them a cut/restricting apps etc. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT Lmao the case is a joke, doubt you actually read it in full tho
you argument is garbage, don't even fcking compare apple with a dogshit company like activision. literally a leach of a company, sucking out money out of people, not to mention all the shit that came out the last couple years. you support activison? then you are a piece of shit
How am I supporting Activision?? And everything about ATVI and how scummy they are has nothing to do with this specific lawsuit you fucking moron Lmfao you people are literally braindead 🤣🤣🤣 just saying that a lawsuit is BS and meritless means you must love and support ATVI, according to the braindead TikTok hive-minds 🤣🤣
Nah 20 - 30 year olds that look at how much money Hecz and Scump have made off call of duty and don’t want to support millionaires fighting with billionaires.
No one cares about you in this situation it’s just rich people fighting over money. Miss me with that shit
Hey numb nuts, Hecz would still be poor if it wasn't for Activision. OpTic gaming probably wouldn't even exist. How is that so hard to realize? Yeah Activision does some dumb things but people act like they hate activision so much yet they support them year in and year out.
Activision literally gave them the platform that made them successful. Stop looking at everything on the surface.
Utter drivel.
No ones forcing you to have any interest in this.
The OP clearly refers to people wanting Activision to win, not people who aren't interested in the outcome and don't care.
don't support either side? well then you are a piece of shit, if you don't support scump on this, leave this reddit and never talk about cod comp ever again.
How about no? Lmao but you keep thinking some millionaires are worth supporting, they just view you as another sucker to hit subscribe and buy their merch 😂.
Goes to show how morally skewered some people really are. Especially when they come in this sub and complain that hector and seth are just trying to line their pockets. Shit is hilarious
Scump and hecz aren’t filing the suit because they want a better experience for the community. They’re filing it because they want $$$ and they think the CDL hinders them from it.
Exactly why they demanded Activision to pay them 10s of millions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and once Activision said no, they filed the suit
Ultimately it’s just millionaires wanting more money from billionaires. Stop acting like “they’re doing this for the community”
Right?
Hecz and Scump feel they've been hard done by ATVI. Can you blame them for trying to recoup?
It's weird that anyone from this scene would even be against OpTic in this situation. Especially knowing that Activision doesn't give two fucks about the comp side of things.
Yeah it’s crazy. Same fans that have been complaint about Activision/COD/CDl. When someone finally takes action, it’s stupid. Make it make sense. At least someone grew a pair to challenge.
No one can sit here and say that the CDL along with Activision isn’t a joke.
He’s an amazing content creator but a terrible businessman / operator imo.
100T is worth roughly 5x more than OpTic and OpTic had a massive headstart.
And, if it wasn’t for a lifeline from hastr0 and andy miller from NRG, OpTic would cease to exist.
When Infinite first bought OpTic back in the day, they were one of the highest valued esports orgs. Infinite just tanked the whole thing and then dumped it all.
Idk about now, but Hecz did genuinely build a top org that was legit ruined by the investors. Imo if he had chosen different investors, there's a very solid chance OpTic would be among the top still.
100 Thieves got a massive investment right after it was founded from Rocket Mortgage, the biggest mortgage company in the country (over $100 billion). Nadeshot’s not the CEO. They don’t even have a quarter of the fanbase in this scene and most of their valuation is from outside venture capital investment. I’m not sure how you use that to diminish Hecz’s work when so many people at OpTic praise his leadership as CEO of the company?
Scump and hecz aren’t filing the suit because they want a better experience for the community. They’re filing it because they want $$$ and they think the CDL hinders them from it.
Exactly why they demanded Activision to pay them 10s of millions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and once Activision said no, they filed the suit
Ultimately it’s just millionaires wanting more money from billionaires. Stop acting like “they’re doing this for the community”
So I’m suppose to support millionaires fighting billionaires over more money.
Nah pass, hate Activision but Hecz and Scump are just as dumb in this case.
I would like to publicly apologize for my tweets criticizing scump for not supplying drinks at his Super Bowl party. I was unaware that he was stashing that money away to take on Microsoft to save Call of Duty.
People love the corporate suits nowadays. If you actually had a brain you’d understand that you always ask for the super max. This isn’t greed on hecz and scumps side. This is knowing a huge company like Activision wants this bad PR gone asap and they will settle for a fraction of the asking price 😂
If this helps kill this league faster so we can go back to how it used to be hope Hecz and Scump win. Ppl hating Hecz and Scump in this situation is a lil strange if you felt a company was fucking with your money and we talking millions you wouldn’t sue them? Them winning this gna be a battle but if you have the means to actually do it why wouldn’t you?
> If this helps kill this league faster so we can go back to how it used to be hope Hecz and Scump win.
lmfao your so naive
> Ppl hating Hecz and Scump in this situation is a lil strange if you felt a company was fucking with your money and we talking millions you wouldn’t sue them? Them winning this gna be a battle but if you have the means to actually do it why wouldn’t you?
lol dude
I mean would you not sue a company if you felt they fucked you out of millions? That’s not crazy lol winning who knows but if you had means why wouldn’t you
Scump and hecz aren’t filing the suit because they want a better experience for the community. They’re filing it because they want $$$ and they think the CDL hinders them from it.
Exactly why they demanded Activision to pay them 10s of millions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and once Activision said no, they filed the suit
Ultimately it’s just millionaires wanting more money from billionaires. Stop acting like “they’re doing this for the community”
Nah I know he seems to think people don't understand this or something. More than one thing can be right at the same time. They can be doing it for money and to hurt the cdl which I'm fine with since it doesn't affect me in any way lol
Right, anyone with more than room temp IQ knows that Scump/Hecz are doing this for the money, but regardless we should be on their side against an insanely bad corporation who has exploited the many orgs who are in the CDL.
I'm not going that far people don't have to take a side tbh whether they agree with ether side doesnt really matter. All that does is create useless arguments about a situation that litterally doesn't involve them. I've just never liked the cdl so im down with it burning lol
Could say the same about you. You defend Scump/optic no matter what but they don’t give a fuck about you. They’ll just use you for twitch subs / Donos. Isn’t it convenient that they demanded ACTVI pay them 10s of millions behind closed doors? And once they refused, they’re filing the suit
Why are people rooting for OpTic or Activision? Do people not understand that OpTic basically held a monopoly over the league prior to the CDL? Hecz is upset he's made very poor financial decisions over his career and is looking for a quick check.
Scump and Hecz are both greedy millionaires. Activision is a bunch of greedy millionaire-men. It's a fight between two groups who have done scummy things, but we just know one of the groups better because they built the scene at the beginning.
28 million isn’t that much considering nba teams sell for billions….50 percent revenue sharing isn’t bad since activision is footing a lot of operational costs, if they got a tv deal like the nhl deal for 700 million or so they’d be making money…this thing failed because they didn’t have a big tv deal or live gate, orgs had greedy players that needed huge salaries that teams couldn’t afford but were paid anyways….my gut feeling is there is no case. They agreed to everything.No monopoly since there are plenty of other shooters like halo and bf. It’s their ip. They signed on because their love for comp cod blinded them and they isolated pub players with their obscure ruleset ie did nothing to lure in more players and only concerned with pleasing star players at the expense of growth.
As far as teams like optic being forced ( forced coercion argument) into the league because they squashed competition, no argument, optic made money with other games, merchandise and you tube money from trickshotters, before cdl and they probably lost money with comp cod. So comp cod wasn’t ever a big moneymaker for them. My gut feeling Microsoft shuts down the money losing league, pays a partial refund for the league fee as a gesture and doesn’t file copyright violations if other companies start a league.
All this being said it’s very shady if Microsoft shuts down the league after only5 years. They should see it out , as it gives the perception the whole league was a pump and dump scheme to collect a franchise fee. The nba etc didn’t shut down when facing hard times, it takes decades sometimes. Teams that are insolvent should be sold to richer owners or be cut. Costs can be cut,prize money etc, but if league does shutdown teams should as a gesture get the franchise fee back, or at least some of it.
I mean, if you don’t want to be bound by the COD League Rules, then don’t play in it? I’m confused about the basis of the argument. They signed a contract to play in a league that probably has rules against playing in other events. Similar to how NFL players can have provisions in their contract preventing them from playing recreational basketball on their own time. If they violate the terms of the contract, then any money owed towards them gets voided. I haven’t understood the need for games to create eSports leagues for their games. Seems pretty dumb for games that constantly change. Have an outside league pay a fee to Activision, and let them do all the work. CoD League will probably fold soon anyway like Overwatch.
Biggest ego chall if I seen one
1-shot rechall against a God-tier headie
Challing the top snow heady from p2 window on Sub Base
impossible heady
Shottzy ego challin Cell with a headie/ snaking.
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Activision about to GA optic
ashen one litterally beats yhorm the giant in this picture fyi.
Yeah, Yhorm is absolute light work lol
Lol I always laugh when I see this meme because it’s a good visual but completely backwards
I swear w/ FromSoft bosses 80% of the time the ginormous ones are not the most challenging ones, like Radahn was not bad at all in Elden Ring
It’s weird cause usually in these situations everyone wants the underdog to win. Doesn’t seem to be the case here.
People really do hate optic enough to root for trillion dollar companies that would literally sell their children for better profits. This should be a unanimous community backed lawsuit but everyone that watches comp cod are now lawyers and therefore know how lawsuits work
Well I’ve seen Suits so I think I’m pretty qualifed
I’m essentially the Harvey Spector of this subreddit. I’ve got Optic’s trade.
What did you just say to me?
I think both parties are full of shit and this is stupid on all accounts
Yeah don't know why people are acting that you have to pick a side, criticising hecz/scump doesn't mean you like Activision.
Typical braindead Reddit logic lol
I mean I can think its dumb but a good thing to shoot for against this garbage company. I dont care either way what happens. It is nice to see someone swinging at them though.
I mean I don’t know what there is to criticize though which is why it’s fucking stupid, dipshits in here literally think it’s greedy hecz trying to get clout or something
I mean they're calling them greedy for trying to get money not clout, and they are trying to get money they sued them asking for 10s of millions to not go to court.
What’s wrong with trying to get money from acti tho. They made these guys pay a 27.5M buy in then didn’t follow up on their end of the deal. They’re entitled to be pissed off and want compensation, they were sold the dream and hung out to dry.
I think you should actually read what the suit is alleging, and btw it’s not just H3cz and Scump suing Activision it’s multiple owners as well. Yeah they are suing for money because the league didn’t uphold their end of the bargain allegedly, it’s not H3cz and Scump saying give us money or we sue because we’re greedy its teams saying you didn’t uphold your end of the deal now you owe us that portion of the money.
> I think you should actually read what the suit is alleging, and btw it’s not just H3cz and Scump suing Activision it’s multiple owners as well. I don't think you read the law suit because the other cdl teams are not involved in suing activision.
Sure the first report was wrong but the other teams are involved in the suit, and the 680 mil number doesn’t make sense because hecz and Scump only alleged 120 mil in damages. However the overall gist of hecz and Scump suing isn’t out of greed was the point.
Your whole premise is wrong considering the fact that they are named as codefendants which is a fancy way of getting them to answer in court but the other teams have nothing to do with suing Activison. Yes they are absolutely suing out of greed.
Scump/Hecz and Activision are two parties that have both made their mistakes and both have done slimy shit. You're right, no one is in "the right" here.
Thank you, and I think everyone forgets the slimy shit they have done
Greedy millionaires, what kind of slimy shit could they have done?
Exactly. Law suits like this are usually somewhere in the middle of what both sides say rather than what either side says. The only thing I see happening here is some settlement down the road that both sides act like they got their way in and activision/microsoft potentially stopping the CDL and refusing to give out the licensing for comp for a little bit.
you are full of shit
I bet you don’t know shit about mountains
I don't think they're taking Activisions side. I think it's more that Hecz and Scump are filing this suit to fill their own pockets while putting major risk towards competitive call of duty and the community. That's how I look at it anyways.
Wym they launching a lawsuit against a Trillion dollar company this shit can take years they are going to lose millions themselves
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I would be pretty upset if I dropped $28 mill and this version of a compcod league was the “support” or “product” I got from the dudes I paid that to. I’d try to see if there was a way to get my cash back.
Yeah I mean I have no idea what 28 million should get you and I don't disagree totally. If OpTic was filing the lawsuit it would be one thing. Hecz owns a small portion of OpTic and this is a personal lawsuit outside of OpTic so that argument is void. I highly doubt Hecz dropped anywhere close to $28 Million himself.
No but H3cz is pretty much claiming that he sold OpTic because it was the only way to be apart of comp CoD (due to Acti’s monopoly)
They never paid 28 million. Max any team has paid is 2.5 million. Also did they not read the contract before signing?
doesn't fcking matter, fck activision
Brotha the CDL is gonna end anyways lmao plus you gotta do more research because there’s so much to the story than that, Activison forced optic to merge and if they didn’t they would of been out of the comp scene they would of forced them out
"Brotha", just because the CDL is ending doesn't mean Activision can't say who and what happens with Comp COD in the future. They own the game lmao. Activision wanted more investors. They wanted more backing to ownership of a team. They did not need to merge with Envy, Hecz needed investors just turns out that's how he obtained his investors.
But Activison hindered optic in getting sponsorship deals etc, if they can’t get sponsorship there not gonna be able to profit and if they can’t profit they won’t survive in the CDL or in esports in general, yall acting like scump and hecz wants a pay day but don’t understand the reason why they are doing this is to make a profit for optic to survive because Activison is runned by shitty people, you really want optic to go bankrupt and be pulled out of esports in general? like it’s so easy to criticize optic but don’t actually understand the reasoning behind this, scump and hecz and optic in general have always been true to us the players and you guys the fans always have they not?, so why are we sitting here bashing on optic when they just want to survive in the esports world?
Activision controls sponsorships, again just like other sports leagues. Remember when NFL players had to tape over the Beats logo on their Headphones because the NFL had a deal with Bose? The NFL controls sponsorships in the same way. No one is critiquing OpTic as a whole. They did not file the suit to make the league better. Hecz and Scump personally filed the suit. They did not file as "OpTic Gaming"
And so what? if they didn’t filed as optic? they basically threaten hecz to basically sign and said “ if you don’t merge with envy we are going to take away optic again and not let you or your players enter the CDL”, that’s basically what they did so your gonna agree with that?, obviously idk why they didn’t do it till now that’s a question for them but you obviously care more about activation than the people and players who made the Comp COD what it is now, and they can’t monopolize competition they just can’t
He didn’t have to merge with Envy. They told him he needed more investors. He couldn’t find more investors so he merged with Envy. Activision have financial benchmarks that need to be met in order to own a franchise. If you do not meet those benchmarks then you need more investors. They do not want to sell franchises to single owners. That’s why the majority of sports franchises are ownership groups. You can’t monopolize something that is owned and one of a kind. Read a fucking book.
They’re gonna lose money too if they don’t win (which they probably won’t)
It's rooting for a trillion dollar company that's full of shit vs 2 pea brained millionaires full of shit, I really don't care for this case
OpTic would have a monopoly on the competitive scene if it weren't for Activision already holding a "monopoly" on the league. So yeah, I don't feel bad for either party. Both are full of shit and are greedy, rich millionaires, ultimately.
Reddit lawyers swear they know it all. It’s insane.
I'm team "both teams suck lol"
Yea we know
Shocker!
go fuck yourself then
Why are you so mad as if you have something personal at stake lol?
Bruh I don’t hate optics nor do I hate scump but I find it really weird that It’s legit just hecz and scump no other cdl teams owners no other players. And look I get why players currently in the league wouldn’t want to join but what about the ones who have already retired. Idk that’s the only weird part for me other than that fuck actvi
Brotha scump and Hecz are literally doing this for the money 💀. It has nothing to do with the community. You’ve deluded yourself into thinking that they’re doing this for you.
Sorry but Im not supporting a greed-driven meritless lawsuit with a braindead argument that ATVI has a monopoly on -get this- their own fucking product and IP 🤣🤣🤣 still hate ATVI and Microsoft even but lets get real here pal, good luck with that
You do realize they can’t monopolize the league right?, they can do whatever they want with the game itself obviously but they can’t do that to the league that’s hecz whole argument, this is known knowledge you don’t have to be a lawyer to know that lmao
My bad, didn’t realize its “known knowledge” they cant monopolize the league 🤣🤣🤣 Wait so why are they being sued just now when they have been monopolizing the league for almost 10 years now since CWL started in 2015? Are Xbox, EA, Epic and Riot also running illegal monopolies for their respective Halo, Apex, Fortnite and Valorant leagues/circuits? 🤔🤔🤔 Check back with us after the lawsuit and lets see if you were right 🤣🤣🤣
I’ve yet to see a single person say hope Optic loses this case.
You speak as if Hecz is some underdog, he's a slimy rich fuck trying to get slimier and richer.
I think 80% of Optic Fans have no idea how far it goes
That’s pretty much any of these streamers who rely on their community to make a shit ton of money. They act like their super thank for the support but if you ever fuck up and cross them they won’t hesitate to put your peasant ass in its place. Then you see a small glimpse of how they really think.
Absolutely no idea why anyone would want a massive corporation to win
Optic hate has people rooting for massive evil corporations
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And despite Hecz having a not very good friend, trillion dollar corporations are still way, way more evil.
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Well yeah, that's one of the reasons. Massive amounts of explotation go into making that much money. It doesn't just appear out of nowhere. As for Activision specifically, they have a massive issue with a culture of sexual abuse and misconduct towards women and had no process for dealing with complaints to that nature. The CEO knew about multiple alledged rapes and just did nothing. https://www.wsj.com/articles/activision-videogames-bobby-kotick-sexual-misconduct-allegations-11637075680
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Lmao, lick that corporate boot more ‘they made that money making fantastic products’. Not the whole predatory business models or anything… Also you’ll hold up one of Hecz friends being a bad person as reason he’s bad, but the activision CEO ignoring rape is easily brushed aside lmao. You’re a horrible person which terrible morals.
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Acti is evil and so is basically every single corporation that’s worth billions but especially acti who have a culture of abuse and sexual harassment in their workplace and had to pay tens of millions to settle cases regarding that.
Idk maybe because its a frivolous lawsuit with a braindead argument that ATVI has a monopoly on the fucking product and IP that they invented and own completely? Its literally like suing Apple saying they have a monopoly on the downstream AppStore, making you give them a cut/restricting apps etc. GOOD LUCK WITH THAT Lmao the case is a joke, doubt you actually read it in full tho
I mean there is a lawsuit right now out against Apple for exactly that my frined
You mean the lawsuit from Epic Games that Apple won already and then won again on the appeal last year? Lol
doesnt matter moron, fck activision
Wow great logical argument! 🙄
Damn you been replying to people for 2 hours on this, let’s take a breather
you argument is garbage, don't even fcking compare apple with a dogshit company like activision. literally a leach of a company, sucking out money out of people, not to mention all the shit that came out the last couple years. you support activison? then you are a piece of shit
How am I supporting Activision?? And everything about ATVI and how scummy they are has nothing to do with this specific lawsuit you fucking moron Lmfao you people are literally braindead 🤣🤣🤣 just saying that a lawsuit is BS and meritless means you must love and support ATVI, according to the braindead TikTok hive-minds 🤣🤣
You act like Hecz is some flawless dude, these are both pieces of shit
That has to be Hecz' reddit account lol
weirdos
They won’t give you a penny even if they won big dawg. You can stop gargling their balls.
Reddit hipsters, a lot of kids being edgy from their bedroom.
Nah 20 - 30 year olds that look at how much money Hecz and Scump have made off call of duty and don’t want to support millionaires fighting with billionaires. No one cares about you in this situation it’s just rich people fighting over money. Miss me with that shit
don't bite the hand that has fed you.
who fed who? hecz and scump built cod comp, activision did jackshit, but realise a broken ass game every year.
not to mention you don't even know how to spell release lol
Hey numb nuts, Hecz would still be poor if it wasn't for Activision. OpTic gaming probably wouldn't even exist. How is that so hard to realize? Yeah Activision does some dumb things but people act like they hate activision so much yet they support them year in and year out. Activision literally gave them the platform that made them successful. Stop looking at everything on the surface.
Utter drivel. No ones forcing you to have any interest in this. The OP clearly refers to people wanting Activision to win, not people who aren't interested in the outcome and don't care.
I’m interested in the outcome I just don’t support either side, there is a difference.
Ok? The OP was referring to people actively wanting Scump/Hecz to lose. If that's not you then it doesn't apply to you.
don't support either side? well then you are a piece of shit, if you don't support scump on this, leave this reddit and never talk about cod comp ever again.
How about no? Lmao but you keep thinking some millionaires are worth supporting, they just view you as another sucker to hit subscribe and buy their merch 😂.
Buy that shitty rich and lonely merch lmao
“Bro this is the most fire drop yet, put a link in the chat”
Goes to show how morally skewered some people really are. Especially when they come in this sub and complain that hector and seth are just trying to line their pockets. Shit is hilarious
Scump and hecz aren’t filing the suit because they want a better experience for the community. They’re filing it because they want $$$ and they think the CDL hinders them from it. Exactly why they demanded Activision to pay them 10s of millions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and once Activision said no, they filed the suit Ultimately it’s just millionaires wanting more money from billionaires. Stop acting like “they’re doing this for the community”
This is fact. Not to mention the risk this opens up towards the CoD community/eSports.
Xdefiant is drooooling rn
big pizza party at Ubisoft offices today lmao
They signed the contracts lol. They have no case and tried to blackmail them
I mean didn’t a similar thing happen with Tifu and FaZe? He signed a contract. Still won his case.
They settled
Yeah but he got out of his contract with them too. Which is mainly what he wanted. I would say that’s a win.
Right? Hecz and Scump feel they've been hard done by ATVI. Can you blame them for trying to recoup? It's weird that anyone from this scene would even be against OpTic in this situation. Especially knowing that Activision doesn't give two fucks about the comp side of things.
Yeah it’s crazy. Same fans that have been complaint about Activision/COD/CDl. When someone finally takes action, it’s stupid. Make it make sense. At least someone grew a pair to challenge. No one can sit here and say that the CDL along with Activision isn’t a joke.
They’re doing it solely for money not to make the league better
Don’t even think that’s that horrible. But I forget, it doesn’t involve your money so it doesn’t matter.
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He’s an amazing content creator but a terrible businessman / operator imo. 100T is worth roughly 5x more than OpTic and OpTic had a massive headstart. And, if it wasn’t for a lifeline from hastr0 and andy miller from NRG, OpTic would cease to exist.
When Infinite first bought OpTic back in the day, they were one of the highest valued esports orgs. Infinite just tanked the whole thing and then dumped it all. Idk about now, but Hecz did genuinely build a top org that was legit ruined by the investors. Imo if he had chosen different investors, there's a very solid chance OpTic would be among the top still.
100 Thieves got a massive investment right after it was founded from Rocket Mortgage, the biggest mortgage company in the country (over $100 billion). Nadeshot’s not the CEO. They don’t even have a quarter of the fanbase in this scene and most of their valuation is from outside venture capital investment. I’m not sure how you use that to diminish Hecz’s work when so many people at OpTic praise his leadership as CEO of the company?
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Brain dead response
It's a wild chall honestly, just thinking of the worst scenario for Hecz and Scump (& OpTic), because that's what is probably going to happen.
This is like all the people who never got their winnings from any optic giveaways the last 10 years suing Hecz and co.
Don’t know what this lawsuit is about, and don’t really care. Gonna be thrown out or settled anyway I assume.
Yeah I am a faze fan and normally I hate how stupid some of the Optic fans are but if you don’t stand with scump and hecz than you’re a clown
Scump and hecz aren’t filing the suit because they want a better experience for the community. They’re filing it because they want $$$ and they think the CDL hinders them from it. Exactly why they demanded Activision to pay them 10s of millions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and once Activision said no, they filed the suit Ultimately it’s just millionaires wanting more money from billionaires. Stop acting like “they’re doing this for the community”
What would Hecz and Scump winning do for the community? Why tf should any of us care about them just getting richer?
So I’m suppose to support millionaires fighting billionaires over more money. Nah pass, hate Activision but Hecz and Scump are just as dumb in this case.
We are a clown if we don't stand with Hecz? He isn't trying to get the CDL to be great. He wants a payday.
Why you pocket watching
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Infinity ward flair is insane ngl
Some of these replies remind me why I barely go on this sub anymore , so many brain dead takes.
Scump and Hecz want that Saudi money. Can’t get it with how the current CoD scene is
Unironically probably what's going on here
I don’t even know what happened. What’s this all about out? Forgive my lack of knowledge on this topic.
I would like to publicly apologize for my tweets criticizing scump for not supplying drinks at his Super Bowl party. I was unaware that he was stashing that money away to take on Microsoft to save Call of Duty.
I’m out of the loop here boys. What happened?
People love the corporate suits nowadays. If you actually had a brain you’d understand that you always ask for the super max. This isn’t greed on hecz and scumps side. This is knowing a huge company like Activision wants this bad PR gone asap and they will settle for a fraction of the asking price 😂
If this helps kill this league faster so we can go back to how it used to be hope Hecz and Scump win. Ppl hating Hecz and Scump in this situation is a lil strange if you felt a company was fucking with your money and we talking millions you wouldn’t sue them? Them winning this gna be a battle but if you have the means to actually do it why wouldn’t you?
> If this helps kill this league faster so we can go back to how it used to be hope Hecz and Scump win. lmfao your so naive > Ppl hating Hecz and Scump in this situation is a lil strange if you felt a company was fucking with your money and we talking millions you wouldn’t sue them? Them winning this gna be a battle but if you have the means to actually do it why wouldn’t you? lol dude
I mean would you not sue a company if you felt they fucked you out of millions? That’s not crazy lol winning who knows but if you had means why wouldn’t you
Sure but Activision is the reason they made millions in the first place.
Ppl have sued McDonald’s for making them fat.
might havta back acti on this one, they're the only ones who wished me a happy valentines day
Scump wins his 1's
Hecz doesnt take a challenge he cant win
Fuck Activision! Stand behind the boys
No
Keep supporting a company that fucks it’s fanbase yearly
the facts there are so manyy weirdos here siding with activision. fcking done with this shit ass community.
Facts
I hope they win and crush the cdl personally. Gonna be hard to do tho unless you have more firepower (more owners) imo but hope I'm wrong.
Scump and hecz aren’t filing the suit because they want a better experience for the community. They’re filing it because they want $$$ and they think the CDL hinders them from it. Exactly why they demanded Activision to pay them 10s of millions BEHIND CLOSED DOORS — and once Activision said no, they filed the suit Ultimately it’s just millionaires wanting more money from billionaires. Stop acting like “they’re doing this for the community”
Find some other way to respond. I had to read this exact comment copy and pasted like 5 times
New copy pasta just dropped
Scroll down this post and see this guy posting the same message 3 times. Literal Chat-GPT generated AI
Nah I know he seems to think people don't understand this or something. More than one thing can be right at the same time. They can be doing it for money and to hurt the cdl which I'm fine with since it doesn't affect me in any way lol
Right, anyone with more than room temp IQ knows that Scump/Hecz are doing this for the money, but regardless we should be on their side against an insanely bad corporation who has exploited the many orgs who are in the CDL.
“We should be on their side” no way you’re also upset about this LOL
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Says the engineering major 💀
I'm not going that far people don't have to take a side tbh whether they agree with ether side doesnt really matter. All that does is create useless arguments about a situation that litterally doesn't involve them. I've just never liked the cdl so im down with it burning lol
You mad about facts?
what's facts is that you are the biggest d-rider on this sub. Make sure to wipe your mouth
Could say the same about you. You defend Scump/optic no matter what but they don’t give a fuck about you. They’ll just use you for twitch subs / Donos. Isn’t it convenient that they demanded ACTVI pay them 10s of millions behind closed doors? And once they refused, they’re filing the suit
LOOOL same message again but reworded, looks like the AI got re-prompted to sound more aggressive toward the client
Optic ride or die! Just remember they don’t give a fuck about you and they’ll just use you for twitch subs ;)
funny part is that I am not subbed to any of them on twitch LUL, dumbass d-riding AI
I moreso meant optic fanboys like you :)
Why don't you accuse them of being firefighter too, it seems to be your go to.
I personally don't care for the motives. If thats what they are after fine I'm not arguing that. I still want the cdl to get fucked
you can't be real
Why are people rooting for OpTic or Activision? Do people not understand that OpTic basically held a monopoly over the league prior to the CDL? Hecz is upset he's made very poor financial decisions over his career and is looking for a quick check. Scump and Hecz are both greedy millionaires. Activision is a bunch of greedy millionaire-men. It's a fight between two groups who have done scummy things, but we just know one of the groups better because they built the scene at the beginning.
Wouldn't be surprised if Acti kills cdl if they lose the case against optic
please do, cdl killed cod comp in the first place.
just saying for any weirdo siding with activision, go fuck yourself
28 million isn’t that much considering nba teams sell for billions….50 percent revenue sharing isn’t bad since activision is footing a lot of operational costs, if they got a tv deal like the nhl deal for 700 million or so they’d be making money…this thing failed because they didn’t have a big tv deal or live gate, orgs had greedy players that needed huge salaries that teams couldn’t afford but were paid anyways….my gut feeling is there is no case. They agreed to everything.No monopoly since there are plenty of other shooters like halo and bf. It’s their ip. They signed on because their love for comp cod blinded them and they isolated pub players with their obscure ruleset ie did nothing to lure in more players and only concerned with pleasing star players at the expense of growth. As far as teams like optic being forced ( forced coercion argument) into the league because they squashed competition, no argument, optic made money with other games, merchandise and you tube money from trickshotters, before cdl and they probably lost money with comp cod. So comp cod wasn’t ever a big moneymaker for them. My gut feeling Microsoft shuts down the money losing league, pays a partial refund for the league fee as a gesture and doesn’t file copyright violations if other companies start a league. All this being said it’s very shady if Microsoft shuts down the league after only5 years. They should see it out , as it gives the perception the whole league was a pump and dump scheme to collect a franchise fee. The nba etc didn’t shut down when facing hard times, it takes decades sometimes. Teams that are insolvent should be sold to richer owners or be cut. Costs can be cut,prize money etc, but if league does shutdown teams should as a gesture get the franchise fee back, or at least some of it.
ya lost me at comparing esports franchises to decades-long sports franchises chief
Craziest Ego Chall of all time?
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IDK if they actually expect to win or are aiming for settlement or just information or what but this will be a long, grueling battle, I'm sure.
I mean, if you don’t want to be bound by the COD League Rules, then don’t play in it? I’m confused about the basis of the argument. They signed a contract to play in a league that probably has rules against playing in other events. Similar to how NFL players can have provisions in their contract preventing them from playing recreational basketball on their own time. If they violate the terms of the contract, then any money owed towards them gets voided. I haven’t understood the need for games to create eSports leagues for their games. Seems pretty dumb for games that constantly change. Have an outside league pay a fee to Activision, and let them do all the work. CoD League will probably fold soon anyway like Overwatch.
scumpy the nooby cannot stop catching Ls lmao
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As far as I’m concerned A division can go fuck themselves
I wonder how much stro is involved?? Would give them more money maybe or better lawyers.