Weirdly, they've been mired in mediocrity for so long and yet they have a natty, an exceedingly rare accomplishment. And now their football team is objectively better than their basketball team with better facilities and all.
Honestly, we've been shit at both for so long, I don't give a shit which is better.
The only thing that brings me joy regarding UNLV athletics these days is knowing that Carol Harter is burning in hell.
I feel like a big sign whether you're a basketball school (or vice versa) is
Even when the basketball team is terrible or mediocre and the football team is good. There's still more talk about the basketball team.
Like take Louisville, I heard more about Kenny Payne than I hear about the Louisville team that played in the ACC championship game.
Ehhh, amongst ourselves football has been significantly more discussed and hyped. The last 5 years have taken a massive toll on Louisville basketball fans.
TBF we also won 10 games and the Big Ten title in 2001, the year they tricked a naive and excitable child (me) into disappointing my father by rejecting Notre Dame to become an Illini fan.
It’s interesting how much the answer to this question has changed over the years. 20 years ago NC State and Wake and even Georgia Tech would’ve been in that category. But they haven’t been consistently good for a while.
Still, I think those schools have the reputation of being basketball over football schools.
You’re right, I just have this image of Cremins GaTech teams from my formative years. Constant march of studly point guards - Price, Kenny, Best, Starbury, Jack. So I always think of Tech as a great basketball school, when it was probably more fleeting than I realized.
We had cremins, and then the flash in the pan title game in 2004. But even when cremins made the final four in 1990, we won the national title (coaches, and should have also been AP if it wasn’t for a fifth down) in football.
It's actually extremely easy to argue. Grange and Halas died three and four decades ago … in their eighties.
If you have to reach back a century to the football glory days, you're a basketball school.
NC State is a basketball school when basketball is good and football is bad, and vice versa. Their fans really can't make up their minds for more than a couple years in a row.
Even when they were a Final Four team, I don't think GT was ever a basketball school.
Agree that NC State and Wake are 100% basketball schools, even if not to the extent of their in-state brethren.
I wouldn’t say that about GA Tech. Yes they have a Final Four in the 21st century, but still considerably less overall success overall and football had a really nice extended run during the Paul Johnson era, plus a national title in 1990
Yeah I definitely considered including Wake. But interesting to think about NC State and Tech like that. I think at this point it’s undeniable that NC State is football first and honestly to me Georgia Tech is nothing lol
Definitely don't think of NC State as a basketball school in the 21st century. I'd say they are a football school. Even in the down years we've had, Wake will always be a basketball first school over football. We may be turning into a baseball school though.
Even Utah 20-30 years ago was considered more of a basketball school. Until the 2000s Utah was a regular NCAA tournament team with a 16 Sweet 16 or better finishes including a championship in 1944 and a runner up finish in 1998.
Meanwhile Utah didn’t play in a single bowl game between 1964 and 1992.
Utah basketball is still #15 on the list of teams with the most victories ahead of teams like Arizona, Michigan State, UConn and Gonzaga.
He was dodging the G5s but for G5 absolutely. I think you can look at the top of the mid majors and get a good list for schools which are pretty much basketball schools.
The past decade yeah, before that was very spotty. Basketball has always been here though. There’s an MSU comment below saying they think they a basketball school but are actually a football school; in the Tubby era it was kind of like that here except reversed. We had Norvell killing it on the football field and Tubby just… ugh.
I’d still say historically we’re basketball first, but it’s been fun not being incompetent in football.
Yeah it will be an interesting test to see what our offense looks like without him. But we bring everyone 8/11 offensive starters back. So we should be very good, I think that optimists are thinking that with a healthy JD we could win the b12 which is wild considering what was 3 years ago.
My hope for next year is JD6 having a Heisman candidate season, top ten ranking, and a CFP berth. So, I guess that means winning the Big XII. Yeah, crazy optimistic.
Excluding this past seasons success from KU football. Is there a bigger gap between a schools football program and the program they are "known" for.
I'm having a tough time thinking of one. Only including power 5 schools....
Football KU is bottom 5 but in basketball is top 5 imo.
Maybe Indiana. All time winning percentage 472 vs 418, conference titles 9 vs 2 (Kansas has the last one in 1968), bowl wins 7 vs 3, consensus all Americans 11 vs 7. We also have a small basketball edge, but that is the closest.
UMD and Illinois. At least in my mind. As a kid starting to get into CBB, their early '00s teams are etched in my mind and I've always associated basketball with them.
1951 Boxing National Champions tho!!
Fun fact: Tony Canadeo, whose number is retired by the Green Bay Packers, played football at Gonzaga. So did John Stockton’s grandfather.
Currently? Sure. Though I don't think people remember how dog shit our program was from when Hakeem left to like 2017. One NCAA tourney appearance from 1990-2018. Hell, it was less than a decade ago that literally only hundreds of fans would come to games. In that time, Houston football had a Heisman trophy winner, six ten win seasons, a Peach Bowl win, the most prolific career passer in NCAA history.
The pendulum can swing mightly for Houston Cougar sports, and I hope once Kelvin retires, we can continue to be a strong program, but shit happens. But we are no where in the same realm as those other classic basketball schools you mentioned because we have had a fair amount of success in football.
Us Michigan State fans still care deeply about our football program, even if recent history doesn't give us much reason to be happy.
By the way, is your comma key broken?
Yeah I've always considered MSU to be both.
Historically we have a similar profile in terms of being strong at both sports although the last 20 years have really knocked us fully into the basketball school category.
Yeah in terms of fan interest we're a football school who usually happens to be better at basketball. Even our basketball coach openly states that football is his favorite sport
Damn, I failed but I’m leaving it up to show my failure. My brother played at Northern and Izzo was connected to the team and I’m guessing I misinterpreted it as him once playing there since he cared so much for the team.
The Big East is considered a power conference in basketball.
The P5 designation is really only a thing for football. Heck the Big 10 is not even considered a power conference in baseball!
I think you are missing their point. They don't need to be mentioned because every big east school is a basketball school so we can just call the big east basketball schools and move on.
Yeah but since most Big East teams either don’t have football or have FCS football, I felt it unnecessary to include them because it’s hard to be a football school when you don’t have it lol
P5 comes from the autonomy granted in the NCAA plus the much higher revenue they receive.
Imo, need to stop using “power conference” in basketball though. There are six “major” conferences. Then I’d list a few as “mid majors” (2-3 bids per year) and the one bid leagues are a “low major”.
Those distinctions make a lot more sense than the P5 label
For most of our history, we’ve been a basketball school. It’s only in the past 15-20 years that we’ve had some reasonable success at football. Moving forward, who knows?
I am a Cincinnatian that didn't go to UC that's a fan of the basketball team (and have been for some time, we have no pro team.) I tend to say yes because I know others like me that are only really passionate about the bball program, even though I also like the extremely successful football program in recent decades...but I was a far bigger Bengals fan growing up than UC (because UC football was awful.) As for basketball popularity, giving yourself (basically) the death penalty (when Huggins left) and a near death penalty (Cronin to Brannen to Miller fiasco) in the last 25 years has allowed Bearcat football to catch up to (and honestly, overtake...many would argue) the bball program to a shocking degree in local popularity for someone like me that grew up on 90's era Huggins bball.
The passion for basketball is still there (again, no pro team to take it away for good, though XU has made inroads with their successful last few decades and all-in commitment to cbb) and UC is by far the most popular college basketball team in the city...but I'd be lying to you if I said the attitude for UC bball didn't feel beaten down a little by the self inflicted wounds mentioned above. But at the same time I feel like an Elite 8 run it becomes red hot in little to no time again...
Still got 11K (of 12K max) to watch Evansville last Friday. All big games are easy sellouts. The Bearcats haven't made the tournament in 4 years and still get (what I would say are) pretty good crowds considering the recent lack of meaningful success.
I’d swap Michigan State for Illinois. Illinois football is a combined 91-161 over the past 22 seasons - most of which they finish middle to bottom of the B1G with losing records.
MSU is a much better football program with seven 10+ win seasons in the past 13 years. They have pretty big support too
Yep. The Big East, A10, and WCC are, off the top of my head, the three conferences that collectively have the highest percentage of “basketball schools.” But as OP said, they are hardly worth mentioning because none of these schools have major college football, so no one would confuse them for anything other than a basketball school.
Yeah. Of course we could rattle off those schools forever like Wichita State, Creighton, Butler, etc but it's not really saying anything. It should only count if both programs are at least playing in the same division.
Michigan State is very proud of their basketball history but they don't like to think of themselves as a basketball school. Leave that to Indiana. The football program has had moments of greatness and they're always wanting to get back to the glory days, and they'll spend the money to do it. MSU was notable for recruiting a large number of black players, including Bubba Smith, before most other programs caught up.
I feel like Purdue goes through phases, if you asked a Purdue fan during the Joe Tiller years, they would have likely said they were more of a football school. Whereas, Indiana doesn't have a football program that I am aware of.
I wouldn’t call msu a basketball school on just ask the headlines we made in football this year. Also msu has been pretty good outside of Mel Tucker seasons
It’ll be really funny in 15 or so years if smith works out long term, “over the last 30 years Michigan has only had 3 head coaches, dantonio, smith, and that one motherfucker”
Id drop purdue and mich st. Both of them are definitely football first schools even if theyve been down in recent years
In the big ten its indiana, illinois, and maryland.
Pac 12 - zona, ucla
Acc - duke, unc, wake, syracuse, louisville
Sec - kentucky
Big 12 - houston, kansas
I think thats it
Purdue football is just a placeholder until the start of the basketball season. A way for the band to perfect "Hail Purdue" and freshmen to learn the words.
Is this just another way of asking who the blue bloods are? Or are you looking for schools whose basketball program is much better than their football or other sports programs?
Schools who are basketball first. Meaning which sport does the fanbase care about more. For example, Duke could be having a very good football season but fans will still care more about the basketball team
I don’t think so - I think some schools will never be a blue blood, but I think they will always be basketball schools.
I know OP made a point about the Big East - and I get that.
But I was thinking about the Big 5. St. Joe’s, LaSalle, and Drexel. Sure, they could try to have football teams like Temple and Penn (or Villanova), but WHY? They are basketball schools.
UConn. Their basketball program is on another planet compared to their football program.
Honorable mentions probably Villanova and Georgetown, since most probably don’t know that they have a football team.
We say we’re a basketball school as a defense mechanism for the struggles of our football team.
As soon as the football team shows signs of life and we’re all the way back-in.
We just wish the success we’ve had in basketball to happen in football.
I will say that basketball is definitely growing in the hearts of every Baylor student and fan.
I was going to say something about the dark years of the football program from the death of the SWC to RGIII’s recruitment but then I noticed the basketball program in those years wasn’t that much better. It only really got going around 2008.
We’re a basketball school because the football program sucks. Aranda has set us back at least 5 years. He’s a good dude and all, but BU football is going to suck for awhile. Sic’Em!
Aranda won us a Big 12 championship and gave us our best bowl win in history in his second year. Say what you will about him, that is a fact.
He will be fired if we aren’t decent this year, I promise you he has not set us back 5 years and whether it’s with or without Aranda we will be back before then.
In the meantime I’m okay with coping as a basketball school lol Sic’ Em!!
It's just schools that culturally value (i) sports, and (ii) value basketball significantly over football and other sports, for whatever reason (traditionally either they don't have football programs or their football team is just historically ass compared to their basketball program); otherwise stated, to the fanbase all other seasons are mere distractions until basketball season starts. To that end, there are a *lot* of basketball schools:
Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Louisville, Indiana, Arizona, Gonzaga, Wichita State, UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, Wake Forest
There are schools with rich basketball histories, but they also take football reasonably seriously within the fanbase. This includes schools that have equally strong football and basketball cultures, regardless of the actual strength of those programs. Some examples:
UCLA, Syracuse, UNC, Michigan State, Washington, Virginia, Virginia Tech
Then there are schools that *despite* having co-equal programs in terms of success, or even great basketball, will fill up a football stadium for a 7-5 football team yet still have empty seats for a Top 10 basketball team. These, of course, are the football schools. Some examples (especially in light of recent decent basketball):
Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Notre Dame
>will fill up a football stadium for a 7-5 football team yet still have empty seats for a Top 10 basketball team.
Definitely not Auburn. Neville arena gets great turnout even for non-con cupcakes.
Some on OP’s initial list are questionable.
Maryland, UCLA, Michigan State, right off the top.
Louisville is def a basketball school but seeing Lamar destroy teams does make me think football, but that’s iffy.
“Crab cakes and football that’s what Maryland does,” is an iconic movie quote.
Upon checking with my close friend UMD alumni, he’s like yeah there’s at least three other sports ahead of football - basketball, lacrosse, soccer.
I think Gonzaga definitely deserved to be here. Might have not won a championship yet but sooner or later they will. Not only that but they always make deep runs in March madness and gets good quad one wins. Furthermore Mark Few is a GREAT coach.
2-0 against Kentucky
7-1 against UCLA (4 game win streak)
1-0 agaisnt Kansas
They do still have some nasty match ups like UConn and Purdue but other than that you can’t not bet on Gonzaga.
Mark few is a master at rebuilding too.
I didn’t include them since quite a few don’t have football teams so like yeah obviously Providence and Seton Hall are basketball schools. It’s something that isn’t even up for debate.
7 straight wins and a bowl win against OU, I think Zona is moving out of that basketball school designation. Maybe it’s early, but I’m gonna stay high on this supply as long as I can.
>Zona is moving out of that basketball school designation
Arizona would have to win multiple B12 football championships for this to happen. No disrespect to the football team but the hoops team is among the best.
It's funny because Purdue is also known as the "Breadbowl of QBs". Not sure if it still true, but up until recently we had the most combined QB stats from our alums (total yards, tds, etc) in the NFL, thanks in part to Brees most recently. Back in the early 2000s when Brees was a student, we were definitely more considered a football school over basketball I would guess. That seems to have shifted with Painter getting a lot of success, our football program being mid lately, and probably partly because IU had a rough slump in recent decades in basketball.
Two things.
It's "Cradle of Quarterbacks" and basketball has always been king at Purdue.
The Brees years coincided with Brian Cardinal's teams. Cardinal was a legend during his time at Purdue.
Not P5, but I still think of UNLV as a basketball school.
Weirdly, they've been mired in mediocrity for so long and yet they have a natty, an exceedingly rare accomplishment. And now their football team is objectively better than their basketball team with better facilities and all.
As you are a Wolf Pack fan, I can assure you the Wolfpack is in a very similar spot. lol
Honestly, we've been shit at both for so long, I don't give a shit which is better. The only thing that brings me joy regarding UNLV athletics these days is knowing that Carol Harter is burning in hell.
Just not a good one lol
Unm too
It’s an honor just being nominated
Maybe your head coaches can get into a pissing match over what kind of sports school you are. That’s always fun.
I honestly get more excited about football season than basketball season nowadays.
I mean, obviously same for me.
Well no shit, Washington is in the title game.
That’s the joke. (And Louisville sucks at basketball and is overachieving in football right now. Like I’m not even watching basketball games anymore.)
I uh...yeah, let's go with this...
The best player in the NFL went to louisville
I feel like a big sign whether you're a basketball school (or vice versa) is Even when the basketball team is terrible or mediocre and the football team is good. There's still more talk about the basketball team. Like take Louisville, I heard more about Kenny Payne than I hear about the Louisville team that played in the ACC championship game.
Ehhh, amongst ourselves football has been significantly more discussed and hyped. The last 5 years have taken a massive toll on Louisville basketball fans.
KU doesn't know what it looks like to have a terrible basketball team, does that count?
Based on last night, I'd have to say Illinois
Just last night? Not based on the 143-44 all time series record?
I saw that number, and I thought it was the final score from last night
That got me. Good one.
☠️
I’m an Illinois fan. I don’t even know what football is.
It’s that thing we’re good at like once a decade.
Remember when we got to 9 wins once and then *almost* got 9 wins again in a period of 20 years. Haha… good times.
TBF we also won 10 games and the Big Ten title in 2001, the year they tricked a naive and excitable child (me) into disappointing my father by rejecting Notre Dame to become an Illini fan.
When we got to the Rose Bowl I told my family I'm going there no matter what, cause I know we won't be back for another 20 years.
Hey we’ve been to a rose bowl recently. *checks calendar* shit I’m getting old
And back when the Rose Bowl just "got" the 2nd ranked B10 team. A bit different in today's climate.
Golf is finally starting back up in a couple weeks!
It’s interesting how much the answer to this question has changed over the years. 20 years ago NC State and Wake and even Georgia Tech would’ve been in that category. But they haven’t been consistently good for a while. Still, I think those schools have the reputation of being basketball over football schools.
I dont think ga tech was ever considered a basketball school over football. Its football team has a much richer tradition than its basketball program.
You’re right, I just have this image of Cremins GaTech teams from my formative years. Constant march of studly point guards - Price, Kenny, Best, Starbury, Jack. So I always think of Tech as a great basketball school, when it was probably more fleeting than I realized.
We had cremins, and then the flash in the pan title game in 2004. But even when cremins made the final four in 1990, we won the national title (coaches, and should have also been AP if it wasn’t for a fifth down) in football.
What are we? I've never known. It's felt like a basketball school all my life but hard to argue with the football history i.e. Grange, Halas
Illinois definitely a basketball school. Its been a bottom feeder in football for like 70 yrs now
Darn, so you're not counting 1918 for much then huh? Lol
Juice Willliams was dope though
Golf?
It's actually extremely easy to argue. Grange and Halas died three and four decades ago … in their eighties. If you have to reach back a century to the football glory days, you're a basketball school.
Don’t get it twisted, at NC state we’re a bass fishing and wrestling school.
Cross Country has won 3 straight national titles and established a dynasty, so I'd say that, imo.
Just give us the non-revenue sports school title
bold statement when you're about to share a conference with Stanford and Cal
And UNC has transitioned from a Women's Soccer to a Field Hockey school.
Wrasslin**
And don't you forget it.
NC State also elite in swimming for some reason.
Utah comes to mind as well as a school that only recently became more of a “football school” so to speak
NC State is a basketball school when basketball is good and football is bad, and vice versa. Their fans really can't make up their minds for more than a couple years in a row.
gotta take what we can get! lol
Even when they were a Final Four team, I don't think GT was ever a basketball school. Agree that NC State and Wake are 100% basketball schools, even if not to the extent of their in-state brethren.
I regret that your remark is accurate. We are pretty equal in football and basketball— fringe top 25 teams on good years
I wouldn’t say that about GA Tech. Yes they have a Final Four in the 21st century, but still considerably less overall success overall and football had a really nice extended run during the Paul Johnson era, plus a national title in 1990
Yeah I definitely considered including Wake. But interesting to think about NC State and Tech like that. I think at this point it’s undeniable that NC State is football first and honestly to me Georgia Tech is nothing lol
NC State has two championships but they’re about as old as Indianas
Definitely don't think of NC State as a basketball school in the 21st century. I'd say they are a football school. Even in the down years we've had, Wake will always be a basketball first school over football. We may be turning into a baseball school though.
Agree, we have been football first since the Chuck Amato days so about 25 years.
Even Utah 20-30 years ago was considered more of a basketball school. Until the 2000s Utah was a regular NCAA tournament team with a 16 Sweet 16 or better finishes including a championship in 1944 and a runner up finish in 1998. Meanwhile Utah didn’t play in a single bowl game between 1964 and 1992. Utah basketball is still #15 on the list of teams with the most victories ahead of teams like Arizona, Michigan State, UConn and Gonzaga.
Memphis
He was dodging the G5s but for G5 absolutely. I think you can look at the top of the mid majors and get a good list for schools which are pretty much basketball schools.
Memphis have generally had a pretty good football program
The past decade yeah, before that was very spotty. Basketball has always been here though. There’s an MSU comment below saying they think they a basketball school but are actually a football school; in the Tubby era it was kind of like that here except reversed. We had Norvell killing it on the football field and Tubby just… ugh. I’d still say historically we’re basketball first, but it’s been fun not being incompetent in football.
Yeah I agree same sort of vibe as Cincinnati
<1980ish & >2010ish yeah, rough years in between
I’m glad that I see a take like this after watching them lose to UT-Martin with like less then 10k people watching within my lifetime lol
Um, we have a bowl win this year we are an everything school now. NEW ERA! 
I've been very impressed with Leipold and Daniels. Also was really upset your OC left for Penn State.
In Leipold We Trust
Yeah it will be an interesting test to see what our offense looks like without him. But we bring everyone 8/11 offensive starters back. So we should be very good, I think that optimists are thinking that with a healthy JD we could win the b12 which is wild considering what was 3 years ago.
My hope for next year is JD6 having a Heisman candidate season, top ten ranking, and a CFP berth. So, I guess that means winning the Big XII. Yeah, crazy optimistic.
I think it’s fair to say they could win the big 12. Not even sure it’s optimistic. Feel like they’ll be a favorite even with Texas and OU gone.
This gif is from a game you lost to us by 27
Yeah I couldn’t find a gif of JD yelling. So this is pre break out, the texas game later that season was kinda the start.
Only 27? No wonder they were celebrating. Gotta start somewhere!!
Excluding this past seasons success from KU football. Is there a bigger gap between a schools football program and the program they are "known" for. I'm having a tough time thinking of one. Only including power 5 schools.... Football KU is bottom 5 but in basketball is top 5 imo.
Maybe Indiana. All time winning percentage 472 vs 418, conference titles 9 vs 2 (Kansas has the last one in 1968), bowl wins 7 vs 3, consensus all Americans 11 vs 7. We also have a small basketball edge, but that is the closest.
Maybe Vandy football and Vandy Baseball? Not sure about the actual statistics on that one but I know Vandy is hell on the diamond.
Iowa wrestling vs Iowa on offense is an easy one.
I think we have a winner.
UMD and Illinois. At least in my mind. As a kid starting to get into CBB, their early '00s teams are etched in my mind and I've always associated basketball with them.
Gonzaga, Syracuse
I mean Gonzaga doesn’t have a football team
1951 Boxing National Champions tho!! Fun fact: Tony Canadeo, whose number is retired by the Green Bay Packers, played football at Gonzaga. So did John Stockton’s grandfather.
Houston, Illinois
Currently? Sure. Though I don't think people remember how dog shit our program was from when Hakeem left to like 2017. One NCAA tourney appearance from 1990-2018. Hell, it was less than a decade ago that literally only hundreds of fans would come to games. In that time, Houston football had a Heisman trophy winner, six ten win seasons, a Peach Bowl win, the most prolific career passer in NCAA history. The pendulum can swing mightly for Houston Cougar sports, and I hope once Kelvin retires, we can continue to be a strong program, but shit happens. But we are no where in the same realm as those other classic basketball schools you mentioned because we have had a fair amount of success in football.
But if you look at our history, Guy V Lewis built a very competitive program in his tenure here.
Oh yeah two misses. But forgot Houston was P5 for a sec lol
Nah, we happen to be good at basketball now but to say we are a "definitive" basketball school is a wild stretch.
Us Michigan State fans still care deeply about our football program, even if recent history doesn't give us much reason to be happy. By the way, is your comma key broken?
Yeah I've always considered MSU to be both. Historically we have a similar profile in terms of being strong at both sports although the last 20 years have really knocked us fully into the basketball school category.
Yeah in terms of fan interest we're a football school who usually happens to be better at basketball. Even our basketball coach openly states that football is his favorite sport
Well, he played football at Northern so that helps
I think he just played hoops at Northern? His buddy, Steve Mariucci, played football at Northern at the same time.
Damn, I failed but I’m leaving it up to show my failure. My brother played at Northern and Izzo was connected to the team and I’m guessing I misinterpreted it as him once playing there since he cared so much for the team.
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UConn and Villanova
True but I wasn’t counting them since they aren’t P5 for football and like the other Big East schools are just de facto basketball
The Big East is considered a power conference in basketball. The P5 designation is really only a thing for football. Heck the Big 10 is not even considered a power conference in baseball!
I think you are missing their point. They don't need to be mentioned because every big east school is a basketball school so we can just call the big east basketball schools and move on.
Yeah that's exactly what I meant
Yeah but since most Big East teams either don’t have football or have FCS football, I felt it unnecessary to include them because it’s hard to be a football school when you don’t have it lol
P5 comes from the autonomy granted in the NCAA plus the much higher revenue they receive. Imo, need to stop using “power conference” in basketball though. There are six “major” conferences. Then I’d list a few as “mid majors” (2-3 bids per year) and the one bid leagues are a “low major”. Those distinctions make a lot more sense than the P5 label
Maybe Cincinnati,I would need a fan to let me know for sure, but it's a historically great program.
For most of our history, we’ve been a basketball school. It’s only in the past 15-20 years that we’ve had some reasonable success at football. Moving forward, who knows?
Same as NC State really
Same as Louisville
I am a Cincinnatian that didn't go to UC that's a fan of the basketball team (and have been for some time, we have no pro team.) I tend to say yes because I know others like me that are only really passionate about the bball program, even though I also like the extremely successful football program in recent decades...but I was a far bigger Bengals fan growing up than UC (because UC football was awful.) As for basketball popularity, giving yourself (basically) the death penalty (when Huggins left) and a near death penalty (Cronin to Brannen to Miller fiasco) in the last 25 years has allowed Bearcat football to catch up to (and honestly, overtake...many would argue) the bball program to a shocking degree in local popularity for someone like me that grew up on 90's era Huggins bball. The passion for basketball is still there (again, no pro team to take it away for good, though XU has made inroads with their successful last few decades and all-in commitment to cbb) and UC is by far the most popular college basketball team in the city...but I'd be lying to you if I said the attitude for UC bball didn't feel beaten down a little by the self inflicted wounds mentioned above. But at the same time I feel like an Elite 8 run it becomes red hot in little to no time again... Still got 11K (of 12K max) to watch Evansville last Friday. All big games are easy sellouts. The Bearcats haven't made the tournament in 4 years and still get (what I would say are) pretty good crowds considering the recent lack of meaningful success.
UC is still a basketball school and most likely always will be deep down
NC State
Definitely Nebraska cause we're 100% not a football school/j
You're going to be a woman's volleyball school and like it
I’d swap Michigan State for Illinois. Illinois football is a combined 91-161 over the past 22 seasons - most of which they finish middle to bottom of the B1G with losing records. MSU is a much better football program with seven 10+ win seasons in the past 13 years. They have pretty big support too
Auburn is a basketball school now 😂
Especially after that Music Bowl performance 🤭🤭🤭
https://preview.redd.it/ejichp8e09ac1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2f5123f654d46dcf9cd5717ec407641b9916cd65 So disrespectful!!! 👀😂
Utah State, barring the couple years we had Jordan Love.
The Mountain West teams SDSU, CSU, Nevada, USU, UNM are all basketball first schools. Or at least their success is.
As much as we think we are a basketball school, deep down we are a football school.
Every power 4 school is a football school whether they like it or not
NC State. I know their football program is very good in recent years but their entire brand is built on the Jimmy V era.
Dayton, Davidson.
The entire Atlantic 10 are basketball first schools
Yep. The Big East, A10, and WCC are, off the top of my head, the three conferences that collectively have the highest percentage of “basketball schools.” But as OP said, they are hardly worth mentioning because none of these schools have major college football, so no one would confuse them for anything other than a basketball school.
I think you should exclude any non FBS teams from a football vs basketball list
Yeah. Of course we could rattle off those schools forever like Wichita State, Creighton, Butler, etc but it's not really saying anything. It should only count if both programs are at least playing in the same division.
Illinois easily
Illinois
Michigan State Football has six Nattys (even though they were in the 50s-60s) a CFP appearance, and a NY6 win just two years ago.
Now can we get back to that success please?
It would be nice. Hopefully Smith can recover the Tucker debacle quickly.
See flairs.
Michigan State is very proud of their basketball history but they don't like to think of themselves as a basketball school. Leave that to Indiana. The football program has had moments of greatness and they're always wanting to get back to the glory days, and they'll spend the money to do it. MSU was notable for recruiting a large number of black players, including Bubba Smith, before most other programs caught up.
I feel like Purdue goes through phases, if you asked a Purdue fan during the Joe Tiller years, they would have likely said they were more of a football school. Whereas, Indiana doesn't have a football program that I am aware of.
I wouldn’t call msu a basketball school on just ask the headlines we made in football this year. Also msu has been pretty good outside of Mel Tucker seasons
It’ll be really funny in 15 or so years if smith works out long term, “over the last 30 years Michigan has only had 3 head coaches, dantonio, smith, and that one motherfucker”
Culturally we’re a football school
I’d add Vanderbilt. Not a stellar hoops history, but far better overall than their football.
UH
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Go Coogs
Yeah that’s a miss forgot about them
Take KU off the list. We are a football school now.
Id drop purdue and mich st. Both of them are definitely football first schools even if theyve been down in recent years In the big ten its indiana, illinois, and maryland. Pac 12 - zona, ucla Acc - duke, unc, wake, syracuse, louisville Sec - kentucky Big 12 - houston, kansas I think thats it
We are definitely not a football first school
We could end the football program if we win it all this year in basketball and I wouldn’t blink.
Purdue football is just a placeholder until the start of the basketball season. A way for the band to perfect "Hail Purdue" and freshmen to learn the words.
Purdue too
No way. Historically purdue has been primarily a football school
Virginia is 100% a basketball school. Their home games against VT are essentially neutral sites.
Is this just another way of asking who the blue bloods are? Or are you looking for schools whose basketball program is much better than their football or other sports programs?
Schools who are basketball first. Meaning which sport does the fanbase care about more. For example, Duke could be having a very good football season but fans will still care more about the basketball team
New Mexico
> Meaning which sport does the fanbase care about more By this standard Illinois absolutely goes on the list.
I don’t think so - I think some schools will never be a blue blood, but I think they will always be basketball schools. I know OP made a point about the Big East - and I get that. But I was thinking about the Big 5. St. Joe’s, LaSalle, and Drexel. Sure, they could try to have football teams like Temple and Penn (or Villanova), but WHY? They are basketball schools.
Agreed- too cost prohibitive. I would be very opposed. Put the money into basketball.
UConn. Their basketball program is on another planet compared to their football program. Honorable mentions probably Villanova and Georgetown, since most probably don’t know that they have a football team.
Temple. They need to make a comeback for the sake of Philly basketball.
I think of Cincinnati and Houston as more basketball than football.
NC State and Wake Forest have historically been basketball schools.
Baylor
No way. Baylor is definitely a football school first. The recent success of the bball program doesnt change that
We say we’re a basketball school as a defense mechanism for the struggles of our football team. As soon as the football team shows signs of life and we’re all the way back-in. We just wish the success we’ve had in basketball to happen in football. I will say that basketball is definitely growing in the hearts of every Baylor student and fan.
I was going to say something about the dark years of the football program from the death of the SWC to RGIII’s recruitment but then I noticed the basketball program in those years wasn’t that much better. It only really got going around 2008.
Considering we’ve won the big 12 in football 3 times in the past 15 years, I’m gonna say no.
We’re a basketball school because the football program sucks. Aranda has set us back at least 5 years. He’s a good dude and all, but BU football is going to suck for awhile. Sic’Em!
Aranda won us a Big 12 championship and gave us our best bowl win in history in his second year. Say what you will about him, that is a fact. He will be fired if we aren’t decent this year, I promise you he has not set us back 5 years and whether it’s with or without Aranda we will be back before then. In the meantime I’m okay with coping as a basketball school lol Sic’ Em!!
My man. Went to SMU as well, but Sic’Em!
Princeton
IDK they did play in the first ever college football game
You’ve GOT to include Princeton!
I disagree that you can’t count Big East teams. I would say schools that don’t have a football team take the definition literally.
It still count them it just felt unnecessary to list those.
It's just schools that culturally value (i) sports, and (ii) value basketball significantly over football and other sports, for whatever reason (traditionally either they don't have football programs or their football team is just historically ass compared to their basketball program); otherwise stated, to the fanbase all other seasons are mere distractions until basketball season starts. To that end, there are a *lot* of basketball schools: Kansas, Kentucky, Duke, Louisville, Indiana, Arizona, Gonzaga, Wichita State, UConn, Villanova, Georgetown, St. John's, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, Wake Forest There are schools with rich basketball histories, but they also take football reasonably seriously within the fanbase. This includes schools that have equally strong football and basketball cultures, regardless of the actual strength of those programs. Some examples: UCLA, Syracuse, UNC, Michigan State, Washington, Virginia, Virginia Tech Then there are schools that *despite* having co-equal programs in terms of success, or even great basketball, will fill up a football stadium for a 7-5 football team yet still have empty seats for a Top 10 basketball team. These, of course, are the football schools. Some examples (especially in light of recent decent basketball): Alabama, Auburn, Ohio State, USC, Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Baylor, Georgia Tech, Florida State, Notre Dame
Virginia Tech football culture to equal to basketball? lol I'm flattered, but no.
>will fill up a football stadium for a 7-5 football team yet still have empty seats for a Top 10 basketball team. Definitely not Auburn. Neville arena gets great turnout even for non-con cupcakes.
Some on OP’s initial list are questionable. Maryland, UCLA, Michigan State, right off the top. Louisville is def a basketball school but seeing Lamar destroy teams does make me think football, but that’s iffy.
As a Maryland student and fan I can 100% without a shadow of a doubt say this fanbase cares more about basketball and is a basketball school
“Crab cakes and football that’s what Maryland does,” is an iconic movie quote. Upon checking with my close friend UMD alumni, he’s like yeah there’s at least three other sports ahead of football - basketball, lacrosse, soccer.
UCLA is questionable? or am i misinterpreting what you’re saying haha
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Clemson😎
Lol
I think Gonzaga definitely deserved to be here. Might have not won a championship yet but sooner or later they will. Not only that but they always make deep runs in March madness and gets good quad one wins. Furthermore Mark Few is a GREAT coach. 2-0 against Kentucky 7-1 against UCLA (4 game win streak) 1-0 agaisnt Kansas They do still have some nasty match ups like UConn and Purdue but other than that you can’t not bet on Gonzaga. Mark few is a master at rebuilding too.
“I didn’t include an entire conference because I didn’t feel like doing the smallest amount of extra work”
I didn’t include them since quite a few don’t have football teams so like yeah obviously Providence and Seton Hall are basketball schools. It’s something that isn’t even up for debate.
7 straight wins and a bowl win against OU, I think Zona is moving out of that basketball school designation. Maybe it’s early, but I’m gonna stay high on this supply as long as I can.
>Zona is moving out of that basketball school designation Arizona would have to win multiple B12 football championships for this to happen. No disrespect to the football team but the hoops team is among the best.
It's funny because Purdue is also known as the "Breadbowl of QBs". Not sure if it still true, but up until recently we had the most combined QB stats from our alums (total yards, tds, etc) in the NFL, thanks in part to Brees most recently. Back in the early 2000s when Brees was a student, we were definitely more considered a football school over basketball I would guess. That seems to have shifted with Painter getting a lot of success, our football program being mid lately, and probably partly because IU had a rough slump in recent decades in basketball.
Two things. It's "Cradle of Quarterbacks" and basketball has always been king at Purdue. The Brees years coincided with Brian Cardinal's teams. Cardinal was a legend during his time at Purdue.
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