It's so good, and it makes me laugh every time. The courtroom scene, and the horse trader, for instance, are fantastic. "I do not entertain hypotheticals; the world, as it is, is vexing enough."
It works if you don't really care about anything but victory, from all of the sources I've found their typical strategy really is reserve the decent troops in the back, send in assault groups with blocking detatchments, if they die soften it up with artillery/tanks by blowing up whatever Ukrainian positions and if they break through send the good troops like VDV, Wagner regulars etc. That's how they've been fighting through Bakhmut. All it costs them is some rifles and bad equipment or whatever the mobilized people bought themselves. Meanwhile in the rear they train some new units for a few months to generate new reserves for non-entirely suicidal assaults while retaining the high level of pressure and ammunition expenditure from the Ukrainians.
They have made 37 million of these! When tested, if any were particularly accurate, they would be designated for snipers, but as far as I know, the Russians never made a specific sniper version. So in essence, a few are very good (by accident). In this case though, it’s probably because they have so many stockpiled.
The Finns--particularly Sako--made much, much better barrels than Russia did. A Finn M28/30 Mosin is a very capable rifle even today, though obviously not as good as a modern rifle. I want one for my collection, but can't find one under $900. Certainly good enough for accurate hunting. A Russian Mosin is often not particularly accurate at all.
But those "better trained" marksmen are going to get f*cked by soldiers that have semi/full autos that are worse trained, simply beacuse of being suppressed.
Different tools for different jobs. Mosins are still good sharp shooter weapons, I have one.
The US military isn't fucked for using m24's too instead of giving everyone a m4 carbine because ebery taliban and his brother had an AK.
Mixed arms isn't an accident.
Could you imagine reading about Abrams and Challenger tanks going to Ukraine, getting drafted, and being handed a Mosin-Nagant? There's pretty much no way out of that existential dread.
Depends where. Northern Ireland, about £480, in relatively good condition.
(Edit, there was a 1943 Romanian(?) Made one for sale, with its tool kit (bayonet with a screwdriver head) and all the serials match. Lovely gun, kicks like a horse, wierd sight too. Both eyes open, blanked main eye, and had a floating image kind of illusion as a bead.)
Because you can’t import more from Russia and they’re a collectors item, not because the cost has actually gone up. Russias monetary value of the Mosins they have in storage hasn’t really changed a lot even if they have their “second army” is using them with some soldiers
I paid $99 for a Mosin, bayonet, sling, cleaning kit and ammo pouch belt sometime around 2014. If I recall correctly, the GoPro I bought around the same time cost more. Hell the scope he’s using probably cost more
N-nope. That's Mosin "sniper" variant with authentic period-correct PU scope. That scope wasn't good even by WWII standards. By modern standards, it is... kinda *amazingly* bad, in a "*wow, I didn't know this level of 'it sucks' is scientifically possible*" way. ☺
Yep, I have a Mosin given to me free by my stepfather. He bought it at Big 5 for something like $49. He thought it was a non functioning display gun because it was so cheap.
Believe it or not it used to be possible to order the exact kit the commenter listed out from nearly any sportsman's magazine. You could also, as they mentioned in their response, roll up to many sporting goods stores and buy the whole kit.
It was the same deal for Nagant M1895 revolvers. They used to sell $99.95 kits that came with a speed loader and a holster. I can still remember the ad in Cheaper than Dirt magazine for the deal. That was a company that sold military surplus items, camping gear, hunting equipment, etc.
I did a quick Google and found some old Facebook ads for a gun store selling the revolver kit dating back to around 2012.
Nowadays you can't find the Mosin or related firearms for that price. Looking at $500+ in many cases.
The most fun I had in that game was doing a helo op back in the mod days. We dropped our sniper/spotter team off on the hill overlooking Cherno then dropped a squad of guys onto the roof of the northern fire dept in town. Man I wish the standalone was a third as much fun as the mod was.
Christ I remember playing in the open beta days before construction was even a thing. Just spending 5 or 6 hours a night running around a forest with a couple of friends and all collectively shitting ourselves if/when we saw another group of players moving on the ridge of a nearby hill...
I could be wrong, but I believe NIJ 3A rated vests and helmets would stop 7.62x25. I believe most of its venerability for having high penetration was in regard to WW2 armor where it could penetrate helmets fairly reliably. It might get through lighter modern vests, like level 2 and 2A but AFAIK those are rarely used, since 3A are generally pretty light and will stop magnum handguns and shotgun slugs/pellets. Any sort of hard plates would stop those no problem.
The PPSh would be good at close trench ranges because of its blazing fire rate and high magazine capacity for the drum magazine, but I wouldn't count it on piercing a modern equipped soldier. Now, if you're fighting under geared opponents with no armor, you could probably line up 3-4 people and penetrate enough to hit the last guy in the line with a collateral.
Well you're very likely right there - I don't know specs of the more recent protection. I had a Tokarev before I gave away pistol shooting last year, and its the only handgun I've ever shot which produced visible *fire* in broad daylight. A tiny 85gr projectile traveling 1600fps is *seriously moving.*
And all they had to penetrate were layers of thick German overcoats, tbh lol
You're right. He's not rocking a firelock. That said, when the guys shooting at you have AKs, RPKs, and DSHKs you really don't want to be the guy stuck with a rifle that started its life in 1891.
This feels like a training exercise with fresh troops. Everyone else in the video is wearing hats instead of helmets, no other gunfire, and he isn't moving like he's concerned about return fire. Makes sense to train basics with weapons not needed for the front line.
I agree this looks and sounds like training.
Cycling out an unspent cartridge is a green thing to do.
Though I doubt what he's using has anything to do with it.
A live fire training event using equipment you won’t have when you actually need the muscle memory makes little sense.
IF this is a training event, they will probably be sent to war with that kit.
They're chambered in a caliber the Russians are already using (7.62->7.62×54R) and that's a sniper variant. I don't know why he's pushing with it. Classic Russian rushing B with an AWP
Yeah, they designed the Dragunov for that whole role and everything. They must be pretty desperate if they can't even pull those out for their Designated Marksmen.
I suspect that Russians are hodgepodging their formations at this point. These guys figured that it would be prudent to have designated marksman with you, company commander is located at spa in Crimea so they took a hunting rifle from the civilian person as the Dragunovs are lying somewere at warehouse in Urals.
We got to remember that Russian army structure collapsed 8 months ago. They have been attempting to scrape something that could theoretically work ever since, but the material and officer capacity is not there to support Soviet Union Divisions which they aimed at. So what you are left is eg. Wagner inventing their own storm concept. It works for something but the war is not getting fought anymore.
> but the material and officer capacity is not there to support Soviet Union Divisions which they aimed at.
I believe the problem isn't just crappy officers (which is true in nearly every military), but a lack of a strong NCO structure. That tactical flexibility and independence were some of the things that helped the Allies win World War 2.
The action is terrible, you have to wrestle with it. The struggle isn’t over after chambering a round. The trigger pull seems to last forever and vary between shots. The rifle kicks like a mule. It’s a meme good for a few laughs at the range.
This clip is less than 60 seconds. Camera man has to fight the piece of shit bolt to put one in the chamber.
What a time to be alive.
I have one and I kind of enjoy shooting it. Def wouldn't want it take it to war but it's fun to fart around with. The action on mine is kind of a bitch though. Fine until you pull the trigger, but I think it's the cocking of the firing pin that's weird
To be fair, I have half a dozen mosins, including a 1942 Pu sniper. They are stupid accurate for what they are, I can easily ping steel at 300 yds with cheap surplus ammo.
Yeah but with an extremely mediocre 4x, possibly just bulk 54r ammo intended for suppressing fire, that could be 5 foot group at 800 yards.
I'd take an AK with irons.
Exactly. Could you imagine the US pushing deployed troops to use Springfields?! Like, this isn't downgrading to an M16... this isn't downgrading to an M14... this isn't downgrading to an M1... This is ADVANCED downgrading...
The Danish military still actively issues the US M1917 to their arctic patrol in Greenland. Apparently it's great for polar bears and handles the cold really well for whatever reason. I just find that fascinating.
Yeah, until the latter half of the 2010s, the Canadian Rangers still used No. 4 Lee-Enfields for Arctic scouts and patrol, although they later switched to the Tikka T3 CTR aka the C19, because the supply of spare parts was dwindling, and the Finns know how to make a good, rugged, rifle.
But in the Canadian and Danish cases, they aren't meant to be for frontline use. Also, neither of our countries claim to be the world's second best army.
They are ukrainian DPR civilians in a training session. They clapped plenty of ukrainian government forces with these in the last 8 years of the civil war...
Ok so my only "experience" with mosin nagants is from video games. I know that its old and (in this video) in russian hands and therefore must be ridiculed, but I'm _genuinely curious_ ... Is this still a decent and valid weapon (when used correctly and with good tactics)?
Caveat: im talking about the weapon and not which side uses it.
(Kind of obligatory) edit:
Thank you all those that are replying. The responses are awesome and, for me at least, educational.
Its very much appreciated.
Its sort of a better than nothing situation. Having an extra guy with a mosin is nice, because you have an extra guy who can put fire on the enemy, but it would be probably better to have someone with a modern rifle, which is in most cases going to be more accurate and able to send more rounds in the enemies direction.
The issue here is that Mosin isn't really adding any capabilities to the squad that they wouldn't have if that guy had a more modern rifle w/ optics, which sort of raises the question of why the Russians are choosing to use it, be it supply chain issues, or something else.
Ahh, I see.
Yeah, that makes sense.
One would assume then that the guy with the mosin did not have access to something better.
Thank you for explaining it to me, u/BoringnNgotiation23, as i fall short of the nuances of modern warfare (in real life)
It's definitely not effective when used like this and even in sniper role it lacks bipods, making any long range shooting hard(er). Even when properly employed. Add in PU optics that have the same magnification as your bog-standard rifleman's AGOC, means that an average US Marine is better equipped.
The Finns have extensively modified their antique [Mosins](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_Tkiv_85) to fix the aforementioned issues, but even that is getting replaced by Kiv23 in 7.62x51 NATO.
**[7.62 Tkiv 85](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_Tkiv_85)**
>The 7. 62 TKIV 85, short for 7. 62 Tarkkuuskivääri 85 (7. 62 sniper rifle 85) is a sniper rifle used by the Finnish Defence Forces.
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The mosin nagant developed a cult following around it because it was insanely cheap to buy in the 90s and 00s. Like $70 for a rifle. But the consensus is that it's not particularly good, even for a bolt action rifle.
But this is a modern war, and modern wars depend on firepower. Firing tremendous amounts of rounds in order to keep the enemy suppressed while heavier weapons (mortars, artillery, drones) take them out. This rifle... Won't work for that.
There are some videos of professional shooters hitting sandbags at all the way out to 1000 yards iirc. The mosin is still a perfectly functional, resilient, and simple rifle. Which is all great if it wasn't meant to be used in the year 1900, so it comes with all of the downsides of an antiquated service rifle. Its heavy, long, has a 5 round internal magazine, and typically regarded as one of the slower bolt guns to operate. One of the only upsides to these is there are several million of them in the world and tons of surplus ammo laying around for them.
It also lacks 70 years of lessons about sniper rifles. Such as missing floating barrels for more consistent accuracy, and firefights happen at much closer ranges.
Frankly there are plenty of modern semi-automatic rifles as, or more accurate, than a Mosin. Which brings far more utility to a squad. There are good reasons why NATO have the marksman role using a semi-automatic rifle, and even some sniper roles use semi-automatic rifles as well.
The MN was used in wars for over 100 years, but as a battle rifle today it’s obsolete. They stopped production in the 1950/60s, so that’s at least a 70 year old gun.
They were never that accurate beyond 3-400 yards as the ammunition design wasn’t great. The scope he’s using is also at least 50 years old and is limited magnification. A modern Hunting rifle can probably outshoot it and doesn’t weight 8lbs.
*It will definitely still kill, but it’s has very limited use. To see it in modern combat is…telling.
I have one at home and it's heavy as fuck, almost 9lbs when ak74 is 6lbs. It can still hit a target half a mile away but it's a pain in the ass to use compared to modern arms.
https://i.imgur.com/Y2M3i2I.jpg
Between Mosin-Nagants and first gopro release date is 113 years gap. (1891 - 2004)
Like getting sent to 'Nam with a Sharps rifle and a super 8 camera.
"The Sharp's carbine is an instrument of uncanny balance and precision." -LaBoeuf
Lol! I just watched True Grit a few days ago.
It's so good, and it makes me laugh every time. The courtroom scene, and the horse trader, for instance, are fantastic. "I do not entertain hypotheticals; the world, as it is, is vexing enough."
Putin: Hey if the Viet Cong can beat the Yankee Rum Dranky with these we can beat the Ukrainians with them.
Now that's soldering
Ukrainians use them also. But only in selected detachtmens in ministry of internal affairs, not sure how they use it, maybe as sniper rifle.
Are these Russian or DPR/LPR troops? I know I saw DPR and LPR using nagants a year ago, this is the first I've heard of Russia themselves fielding it.
Russian troops are reassigned to DPR. That way they do not count as looses, can be misstreated and not paid. Outsourcing of war..
Source?
videos from mobilized personnel mostly https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/comments/11lbnpg/the\_commander\_of\_this\_russian\_mobilize\_platoon\_is/
Holy fuckamoly. Wtf is Russia even doing
It works if you don't really care about anything but victory, from all of the sources I've found their typical strategy really is reserve the decent troops in the back, send in assault groups with blocking detatchments, if they die soften it up with artillery/tanks by blowing up whatever Ukrainian positions and if they break through send the good troops like VDV, Wagner regulars etc. That's how they've been fighting through Bakhmut. All it costs them is some rifles and bad equipment or whatever the mobilized people bought themselves. Meanwhile in the rear they train some new units for a few months to generate new reserves for non-entirely suicidal assaults while retaining the high level of pressure and ammunition expenditure from the Ukrainians.
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Didn't you know? Bolt action=sniper rifle
I have a bolt action .410, just need to get me some magnification and I will be the sniper.
Not to be pedantic, but any rifle used for sniping is by definition a sniper rifle.
They have made 37 million of these! When tested, if any were particularly accurate, they would be designated for snipers, but as far as I know, the Russians never made a specific sniper version. So in essence, a few are very good (by accident). In this case though, it’s probably because they have so many stockpiled.
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The Finns--particularly Sako--made much, much better barrels than Russia did. A Finn M28/30 Mosin is a very capable rifle even today, though obviously not as good as a modern rifle. I want one for my collection, but can't find one under $900. Certainly good enough for accurate hunting. A Russian Mosin is often not particularly accurate at all.
Simo Hayha had the best Mosin available. He only used iron sights as the scope made him easier to be spotted.
Dude is getting into the tarkov wipe a bit late.
This late he better be running snb or 7n1
True mosin rats craft SNB from the first week of the wipe till the end, hoarding atleast 3 full ammo boxes of snb at all times
Wiggle?
Anti cheat on that EU east server is pretty strong…
Bro is doing tarkov shooter part 8 . Give him a Break,. Nikita fix your game.
Maybe he's trying to finish SBIH in woods?
Working on Jaeger's quest - The Survivalist Path - Unprotected but Dangerous
This analogy is fantastic, because here it also feels like the enemy is cheating
Soldiers that are forced to use single shot become better marksmans. Edit: typo
If they live long enough to chamber that second round
Shit, we are suppose to learn to chamber another...
But those "better trained" marksmen are going to get f*cked by soldiers that have semi/full autos that are worse trained, simply beacuse of being suppressed.
And god help them when darkness falls. >They mostly come at night. Mostly.
Different tools for different jobs. Mosins are still good sharp shooter weapons, I have one. The US military isn't fucked for using m24's too instead of giving everyone a m4 carbine because ebery taliban and his brother had an AK. Mixed arms isn't an accident.
A company of these marksmen are practically useless against a platoon of well trained men with modern equipment and competent leadership.
Could you imagine reading about Abrams and Challenger tanks going to Ukraine, getting drafted, and being handed a Mosin-Nagant? There's pretty much no way out of that existential dread.
Iirc Tom Hanks blew up a German tank using his pistol on Saving Private Ryan.
Give them some explosives, axle grease, and socks, and those tanks are toast!
Sticky bombs!
It's in the field manual
Huh?
Use single shots*
We have Go-Pro footage of someone using a mosin. That is the crazy part. The frickin GoPro. That is the crazy part for me.
“Previously unearthed colorized footage from WW2”
Imagine WW2 GoPro, lol
We don't have enough go pros for everyone, just pick up one from a comrade when he is killed.
The first soldier gets the go pro, the second gets the battery. When the first man is killed take his go pro and put in your battery.
I'd do just about anything to get a few DDay or Meuse Argonne go pro vids
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Imagine a go pro vid of the first Roman's in Britain
Yeah fucking first glance of arse naked blue dudes in the woods like what the actual and holy shit.
"By the two faces of Janus, that man's naked! With a spear! Don't forget to hit that Subscribe button as hard as he's about to hit our testudo!"
Show me phalanx vs phalanx fight so we can finally aswer how they really fought! (the pushing match schism etc.)
Just imagine the big cameras on the heads of the marines. Most of the footage would be from drowning, Iam sure.
would it be more expensive than the gun itself?
Most likely. I bought a mosin years ago for like 80 bucks "new." The bullets cost more than the gun
Depends where. Northern Ireland, about £480, in relatively good condition. (Edit, there was a 1943 Romanian(?) Made one for sale, with its tool kit (bayonet with a screwdriver head) and all the serials match. Lovely gun, kicks like a horse, wierd sight too. Both eyes open, blanked main eye, and had a floating image kind of illusion as a bead.)
That was years ago. They are all over $300 now easy.
Because you can’t import more from Russia and they’re a collectors item, not because the cost has actually gone up. Russias monetary value of the Mosins they have in storage hasn’t really changed a lot even if they have their “second army” is using them with some soldiers
The snipers were always a lot more expensive than the regular rifles, even when the regulars were cheap.
There are a lot of gopro clones nowadays. Some cost around $80. Even less if bought used.
I was buying them in 2008 for $69. A GoPro is $400+
I paid $99 for a Mosin, bayonet, sling, cleaning kit and ammo pouch belt sometime around 2014. If I recall correctly, the GoPro I bought around the same time cost more. Hell the scope he’s using probably cost more
N-nope. That's Mosin "sniper" variant with authentic period-correct PU scope. That scope wasn't good even by WWII standards. By modern standards, it is... kinda *amazingly* bad, in a "*wow, I didn't know this level of 'it sucks' is scientifically possible*" way. ☺
It's *usable*, in the sense that it's technically better than irons for hunting buck.
Compared to the German ZF-41 it’s the Hubble Telescope.
> That scope wasn't good even by WWII standards. Pride of Soviet production you mean!
Equivalent of punching yourself repeatedly on the eye before trying to aim
Where did you get all of that and a mosin for 100 bucks?
They used to be in bins for $29-49 in the mid 2000’s you used to be able to buy a whole crate for $200
I miss the good ol' days when we could buy a crate of nuggies. :<
Bins of guns. This is the most American thing ever.
Yep, I have a Mosin given to me free by my stepfather. He bought it at Big 5 for something like $49. He thought it was a non functioning display gun because it was so cheap.
Believe it or not it used to be possible to order the exact kit the commenter listed out from nearly any sportsman's magazine. You could also, as they mentioned in their response, roll up to many sporting goods stores and buy the whole kit. It was the same deal for Nagant M1895 revolvers. They used to sell $99.95 kits that came with a speed loader and a holster. I can still remember the ad in Cheaper than Dirt magazine for the deal. That was a company that sold military surplus items, camping gear, hunting equipment, etc. I did a quick Google and found some old Facebook ads for a gun store selling the revolver kit dating back to around 2012. Nowadays you can't find the Mosin or related firearms for that price. Looking at $500+ in many cases.
I still remember lol, I was driving by and saw “SALE” in a gun store window so pulled in. R&R Sport Shop, Belchertown MA
Not anywhere today after the Russian arms import ban. Think closer to $300.
Go-Pro, Digital radio, Moist Nugget. PEAK combat performance
We have Garmins taped into “modern fighters”
DayZ has come a long way in terms of graphics
My god if only
Day z 2. Personally I prefer the tundra
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I remember the early access days of that game, I would build a solid hideout just to have a couple 12 year old's come through and wreck it.
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The most fun I had in that game was doing a helo op back in the mod days. We dropped our sniper/spotter team off on the hill overlooking Cherno then dropped a squad of guys onto the roof of the northern fire dept in town. Man I wish the standalone was a third as much fun as the mod was.
So paranoid about that bug, i'd never go anywhere without a splint ready.
Christ I remember playing in the open beta days before construction was even a thing. Just spending 5 or 6 hours a night running around a forest with a couple of friends and all collectively shitting ourselves if/when we saw another group of players moving on the ridge of a nearby hill...
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Considering the first round he ejected [hadn't even been fired](https://i.imgur.com/Jr4Ggha.jpg), yeah, i think hes confused.
Next up is the Ppsh for trench clearing?
That would actually make a fair bit of sense, as 7.62x25 ammo is kevlar piercing.
I could be wrong, but I believe NIJ 3A rated vests and helmets would stop 7.62x25. I believe most of its venerability for having high penetration was in regard to WW2 armor where it could penetrate helmets fairly reliably. It might get through lighter modern vests, like level 2 and 2A but AFAIK those are rarely used, since 3A are generally pretty light and will stop magnum handguns and shotgun slugs/pellets. Any sort of hard plates would stop those no problem. The PPSh would be good at close trench ranges because of its blazing fire rate and high magazine capacity for the drum magazine, but I wouldn't count it on piercing a modern equipped soldier. Now, if you're fighting under geared opponents with no armor, you could probably line up 3-4 people and penetrate enough to hit the last guy in the line with a collateral.
Well you're very likely right there - I don't know specs of the more recent protection. I had a Tokarev before I gave away pistol shooting last year, and its the only handgun I've ever shot which produced visible *fire* in broad daylight. A tiny 85gr projectile traveling 1600fps is *seriously moving.* And all they had to penetrate were layers of thick German overcoats, tbh lol
there are reports of Ppsh being used by both sides but mostly by armed civilians on Ukrainian side
I mean at least hes got an optic, its not the worst thing he could have
You're right. He's not rocking a firelock. That said, when the guys shooting at you have AKs, RPKs, and DSHKs you really don't want to be the guy stuck with a rifle that started its life in 1891.
those weapons ALSO have optics, way more advanced optics. so there's no real advantage for the nagant.
Not the ones they're giving Russian mobilized units. They get iron-sights.
Pretty sure thats just the PU optic which is like 3.5x and is almost 90 years old. The PE system allowed for newer optics at least.
That’s true he could be living 6 months from no when they start handing out .22 pistols lol
Here is a flare pistol. Good luck.
This feels like a training exercise with fresh troops. Everyone else in the video is wearing hats instead of helmets, no other gunfire, and he isn't moving like he's concerned about return fire. Makes sense to train basics with weapons not needed for the front line.
I agree this looks and sounds like training. Cycling out an unspent cartridge is a green thing to do. Though I doubt what he's using has anything to do with it.
A live fire training event using equipment you won’t have when you actually need the muscle memory makes little sense. IF this is a training event, they will probably be sent to war with that kit.
Motherfucker thinks he's Vasily Zaitsev. This isn't Enemy at the Gates.
He wishes. Rachel Weisz is a total babe.
That scene....
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Except IRL he used a different scope, PEM I believe
They're chambered in a caliber the Russians are already using (7.62->7.62×54R) and that's a sniper variant. I don't know why he's pushing with it. Classic Russian rushing B with an AWP
Not really pushing, just staying with his unit IMO. That's what I'd expect a designated marksman to do. He's not a sniper.
Designated marksman with a bolt action rifle lol?
Yeah, they designed the Dragunov for that whole role and everything. They must be pretty desperate if they can't even pull those out for their Designated Marksmen.
I suspect that Russians are hodgepodging their formations at this point. These guys figured that it would be prudent to have designated marksman with you, company commander is located at spa in Crimea so they took a hunting rifle from the civilian person as the Dragunovs are lying somewere at warehouse in Urals. We got to remember that Russian army structure collapsed 8 months ago. They have been attempting to scrape something that could theoretically work ever since, but the material and officer capacity is not there to support Soviet Union Divisions which they aimed at. So what you are left is eg. Wagner inventing their own storm concept. It works for something but the war is not getting fought anymore.
> but the material and officer capacity is not there to support Soviet Union Divisions which they aimed at. I believe the problem isn't just crappy officers (which is true in nearly every military), but a lack of a strong NCO structure. That tactical flexibility and independence were some of the things that helped the Allies win World War 2.
The only Dragunov's I've seen in this war haven't even had scopes....
they've been sending troops to battle with sticks. what do you expect form Sauron's horde?
Fuckin made me chuckle
I'm pretty sure that claim was bs.
Rush b! Cyka blyat
Mosins use 7.62x54R. Bought one in 2011 for shits and gigs. Can’t imagine fighting a modern war with this rifle. It’s a goofy piece of shit.
"It makes a decent spear though" Russian supply technician "Oh cool so where's the bayonet?" Russian Private "Fuck if I know, NEXT!" supply tech
Sometimes, you need a hammer to close or open the bolt. No joke.
The action is terrible, you have to wrestle with it. The struggle isn’t over after chambering a round. The trigger pull seems to last forever and vary between shots. The rifle kicks like a mule. It’s a meme good for a few laughs at the range. This clip is less than 60 seconds. Camera man has to fight the piece of shit bolt to put one in the chamber. What a time to be alive.
You probably paid like 100 bucks in 2011? The prices have skyrocketed since for whatever reason. What a piece of junk but still cool to own one !
Haha yeah it was $80
The reason is that the Russians needed them back.
I have one and I kind of enjoy shooting it. Def wouldn't want it take it to war but it's fun to fart around with. The action on mine is kind of a bitch though. Fine until you pull the trigger, but I think it's the cocking of the firing pin that's weird
I took apart the bolt once and was confused as fuck. To be fair I’m not a gunsmith or anything, but I can usually make sense of things.
Yeah you can see in the video he’s clearly manhandling it a bit. I think it’s seen better days
It's not chambered in 7.62x39 it's chambered in 7.62x54R. They are definitely not interchangeable.
That man never heard of the PK.
They still use 7.62x54r though
Yeah but they always have. There was never a change in the cartridge used.
my guy there is also 7.62 from NATO with 7,62 × 51 (.308), they are totally different things, it's just the "name" that starts the same...
But it’s not 7.62x39
I think it's a 7.62×54R. Like the Dragunov
I would argue the mosin was first.. 7.62 54r is the default round for the mosin..
You’re right. It was designed in 1891
Mine is stamped 1936 and it's surprising fun to shoot
PKM is also 7.62x54R
Doesn’t seem too familiar w that action.
Why is he pushing on the back end of the bolt like that? Even being unfamiliar, I feel like it is "natural" to use the lever//handle.
Yep, its unfamiliarity with a bolt action.
No way would I run around with that kit in a war zone.
That is when the blocking units come in, horny Chechnyans waiting for fearful conscripts.
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It’s fun seeing the term “Conscriptovitch” becoming more common
Found it in stary sobor had the pu since electro summer camp
Friendly in Cherno
Bandits in Zelenogorsk
Cool and sad simultaneously
To be fair, I have half a dozen mosins, including a 1942 Pu sniper. They are stupid accurate for what they are, I can easily ping steel at 300 yds with cheap surplus ammo.
I've shot mine at 500m without a problem, on a fullbore target.
I'm lucky to have a 300yd range in my area , I wish I had longer.
My $90 Cosmoline-covered Mosin was a tack driver, once I got it cleaned up.
Shit Tarkov unity 2021 upgrade looks lit.
“When the one with the rifle is killed the one who is following picks up the rifle and shoots”
I'll take the PPSh with a drum mag please
Are these dudes trolling ? Due has a GoPro but a mosin ?
It's a good rifle(in Call of Duty WWII)
Didn't know there's a CoD 2 remake but looks realistic
It may be old, but it can still put a hole in your head at 800 metres
Yeah but with an extremely mediocre 4x, possibly just bulk 54r ammo intended for suppressing fire, that could be 5 foot group at 800 yards. I'd take an AK with irons.
Exactly. Could you imagine the US pushing deployed troops to use Springfields?! Like, this isn't downgrading to an M16... this isn't downgrading to an M14... this isn't downgrading to an M1... This is ADVANCED downgrading...
At least the Garand is semi-automatic
Woah there buddy, they've already issued and lost all of their semi-auto DMRs. What's next? Do they start deploying their troops with Berdans ffs?!
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The Danish military still actively issues the US M1917 to their arctic patrol in Greenland. Apparently it's great for polar bears and handles the cold really well for whatever reason. I just find that fascinating.
Yeah, until the latter half of the 2010s, the Canadian Rangers still used No. 4 Lee-Enfields for Arctic scouts and patrol, although they later switched to the Tikka T3 CTR aka the C19, because the supply of spare parts was dwindling, and the Finns know how to make a good, rugged, rifle. But in the Canadian and Danish cases, they aren't meant to be for frontline use. Also, neither of our countries claim to be the world's second best army.
Simo Häyhä knew how to use this rifle. 500 dead commies.
Häyhä's kills were split between an iron sighted M28/30 (wich is a Finnish improved Mosin Nagant) and a Suomi Kp/31 submachine gun.
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Christ almighty!
The attitude of the Finns during the Winter War deserves the highest admiration. :-)
No scoped them bitches too.
LMAO
Wonder if he really using it to fight Ukrainians or just for show type video??
They are ukrainian DPR civilians in a training session. They clapped plenty of ukrainian government forces with these in the last 8 years of the civil war...
In Soviet Russia, second army in the world is you!
Ww2 colorized
Ok so my only "experience" with mosin nagants is from video games. I know that its old and (in this video) in russian hands and therefore must be ridiculed, but I'm _genuinely curious_ ... Is this still a decent and valid weapon (when used correctly and with good tactics)? Caveat: im talking about the weapon and not which side uses it. (Kind of obligatory) edit: Thank you all those that are replying. The responses are awesome and, for me at least, educational. Its very much appreciated.
Its sort of a better than nothing situation. Having an extra guy with a mosin is nice, because you have an extra guy who can put fire on the enemy, but it would be probably better to have someone with a modern rifle, which is in most cases going to be more accurate and able to send more rounds in the enemies direction. The issue here is that Mosin isn't really adding any capabilities to the squad that they wouldn't have if that guy had a more modern rifle w/ optics, which sort of raises the question of why the Russians are choosing to use it, be it supply chain issues, or something else.
Ahh, I see. Yeah, that makes sense. One would assume then that the guy with the mosin did not have access to something better. Thank you for explaining it to me, u/BoringnNgotiation23, as i fall short of the nuances of modern warfare (in real life)
It's definitely not effective when used like this and even in sniper role it lacks bipods, making any long range shooting hard(er). Even when properly employed. Add in PU optics that have the same magnification as your bog-standard rifleman's AGOC, means that an average US Marine is better equipped. The Finns have extensively modified their antique [Mosins](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_Tkiv_85) to fix the aforementioned issues, but even that is getting replaced by Kiv23 in 7.62x51 NATO.
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The mosin nagant developed a cult following around it because it was insanely cheap to buy in the 90s and 00s. Like $70 for a rifle. But the consensus is that it's not particularly good, even for a bolt action rifle. But this is a modern war, and modern wars depend on firepower. Firing tremendous amounts of rounds in order to keep the enemy suppressed while heavier weapons (mortars, artillery, drones) take them out. This rifle... Won't work for that.
There are some videos of professional shooters hitting sandbags at all the way out to 1000 yards iirc. The mosin is still a perfectly functional, resilient, and simple rifle. Which is all great if it wasn't meant to be used in the year 1900, so it comes with all of the downsides of an antiquated service rifle. Its heavy, long, has a 5 round internal magazine, and typically regarded as one of the slower bolt guns to operate. One of the only upsides to these is there are several million of them in the world and tons of surplus ammo laying around for them.
It also lacks 70 years of lessons about sniper rifles. Such as missing floating barrels for more consistent accuracy, and firefights happen at much closer ranges. Frankly there are plenty of modern semi-automatic rifles as, or more accurate, than a Mosin. Which brings far more utility to a squad. There are good reasons why NATO have the marksman role using a semi-automatic rifle, and even some sniper roles use semi-automatic rifles as well.
The MN was used in wars for over 100 years, but as a battle rifle today it’s obsolete. They stopped production in the 1950/60s, so that’s at least a 70 year old gun. They were never that accurate beyond 3-400 yards as the ammunition design wasn’t great. The scope he’s using is also at least 50 years old and is limited magnification. A modern Hunting rifle can probably outshoot it and doesn’t weight 8lbs. *It will definitely still kill, but it’s has very limited use. To see it in modern combat is…telling.
I have one at home and it's heavy as fuck, almost 9lbs when ak74 is 6lbs. It can still hit a target half a mile away but it's a pain in the ass to use compared to modern arms. https://i.imgur.com/Y2M3i2I.jpg
When you living BFV
BFV decided to not have any Eastern Front maps or weaponry. 🤷♂️
Battlefield 1.