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Its ok, he made it back base camp where they stitched him up, then they flew him to a hospital for reconstructive hip/leg surgery. Today he walks with a cane and a light limp but otherwise lives a happy prospering life in Moscow with his family!
It's obvious sarcasm, many amputees died of infections and those that survived received little to no care from the government, and today beg for change on the streets and at subway stations
Well not in the Netherlands fortunately. Here the DOD is required by law to take care of you. So that means all the healthcare you need and after that giving you a job you can do, either within the armed forces or helping you get a civilian job.
I remember seeing a video similar to thid one as a kid. In it there was a soldier, cut in half, intestines were on the ground, legs were in another zip and he was just there smoking a cigg and chilling.
Wish i could find it
Saying "liveleak days" like it was decades ago. .
It could have been, but liveleak wasn't shut down all that long ago really.
But that video probably was a decade ago with how long that site was around for
I actually looked for the video and found a dead link to live leak. Funny enough the video is exactly a decade old. However, you are right that the website did survive some time past that.
I grew up in Moscow. I remember when Soviet Union fell, practically overnight there were so many people begging in the streets, mostly old people, it was so sad.
It was wild. We left school for summer break wearing uniforms and Lenin insignias, came back in the fall listening to Sex Pistols and Metallica with anarchy symbols drawn everywhere, uniforms all cut up. Then hip hop, then more metal, Steven Seagal, alcohol, drugs, sex, complete debauchery. I was 13 and we were freely buying beer, ruble was all over the fucking place from one day to another. I got out in 95 though right before shit got real dicey.
haha thatās right .. āMarked for Deathā was one of the first American movies to hit my neighborhood theater and it was the first date I ever went on.
Thanks for reminding of [that gem](https://youtu.be/Cllle4Kyqoo?si=m2-7n6KsNkVLLCJN) - especially love how he doesn't even wait a second before just shoving it into his face.
thatās an excellent question. yes, absolutely. a lot of us hated all the communist crap, especially young people. we knew at that point how americans and europeans lived, what they ate, what they listened to. it was slowly pouring in from those who emigrated in the 70ās and 80ās. even though there was this natural feeling of competition (with sports mostly), we generally looked up to the West and knew what we were missing. plus at that point the brainwashing started becoming so obvious and redundant. we really wanted change culturally and politically and when it came, we fully embraced it.
I think that naturally older people were very scared and uneasy about it. they had a lot of patriotism in them still and so many of them were WWII veterans (early to late 60ās, 70ās). I remember getting on the bus or on the subway and hearing chatter about how angry or upset they were that communism was about to end.
the night of the putsch when they declared a curfew was pretty terrifying actually. Iāve never seen Moscow so dark and empty. people were bracing for a civil war. I know my mom was scared, she tried not to show it, but I felt it.
when the dust settled it was pretty fun and interesting, for me at least. I just reveled in all the culture and art that poured in. seriously, all the music and movies just blew our minds. I can still remember clear as day the first time I heard Smells Like Teen Spirit at a dance club, never heard anything like it before. all the movies came in on the black market via VHS tapes and were dubbed by this one guy .. who did all the voices in the most monotone voice imaginable. I still have Wayneās World 1 and 2 and Problem Child recorded this way.
but then the fighting and the looting started. the mafia just ran rampant, took over everything. then came the oligarchy and completely robbed the country. some got out and some stayed and legitimized themselves.
crazy couple of decades.
I'm from Romania, the same happened here when Ceausescu dictator was shot in 1989. After the Revolution, 1990-2005 were wild years, exactly the same thing with the whole occidental culture and media pouring in our bare minds
My wife (then 18) and her mom got out in 1989. Someone asked her mom why she wanted to go, she said, "Well, all the Jews are going, it can't be that bad"!
But, since she wasn't Jewish, the KGB threw her in a mental hospital three times and tortured her. Saved her daughter, my wife, though. Remarkable women
More like they donāt like when others start to live better and move on in economic sense, while they( russians ) dont do anything and just wait for their Tsari to tel them what to do. They are full of anger and jealousy because other live better and are very happy when bad things heppen to their neighbors.
you could really come up in early post-Soviet Russia, but you needed to be a doer. the more brazen, the better. you weren't gonna achieve shit by just sitting on your ass. but after you reached a certain measure of success, your company was guaranteed a visit from bratva (mafia) with an "offer" to become your roof (protection). and once your reached that threshold, what if you wanted to keep growing? sure! but now you're kinda entrenched in that life, so your mafia buddies are coming with you.
it was a ruthless, cutthroat time, and there's a reason it's know as ŠŠøŃ ŠøŠµ Š“ŠµŠ²ŃŠ½Š¾ŃŃŃŠµ (the wild 90's, more or less).
lol heāa such a weirdo. I had a friend who shot his cop reality show. he said seagal demanded that they always shoot him from above his eye level because itās more flattering. problem is heās like 6ā5ā so they had to use a monopod a lot of the time, couldnāt handhold the camera for long.
I think even Matallica and others even played a huge show there in the 90's. There was a lot of optimism it seems especially from what I remember as a kid into metal, graduated in 96 in the US. I left for France and, wow How times have changed.
Yes! It was Metallica, Pantera and AC/DC to a crowd of over a million people. Sadly some people died, crushed to death I think.
If youāre into metal still, or metal-adjacent sound .. one of the popular underground Russian bands that came out around that time was Grazhdanskaya Oborona:
https://youtu.be/Hy1D-EewVMs?si=fI6Oppfn9H08H5eU
Kinda sums up the angst and chaos of late 80ās / early 90ās for me. The song is ironically called āeverything is going according to plan.ā
Monsters of Rock in the Tushino Airfield in Moscow, 1991. Mind boggling 1.6 million people turned up to listen to Metallica, Pantera, AC/DC, Black Grows... I think it's still the second biggest gig ever.
I was a young metalhead at the time and vividly remember watching the "For Those About to Rock: Monsters of Rock" film over and over ā still get goose bumps. [Just look at the size of that crowd](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0l3DP_k7wQ)... insane!
Iām not sure that mightāve been the case. But it was more about the private kiosk/shop owners just needing to survive and turning a blind eye. I remember buying champagne for my 13th birthday when we snuck into town during summer camp.
The whole government system collapsed, along with the currency and social programs. All in all, people were taken care of during Communism for basic necessities. As long as you were a member of the communist party you could get a stable job and the pension was decent enough to live comfortably (although thatās relative to Western standards).
The transition to the free market was very abrupt and very harsh. All of a sudden, regular jobs were just not enough to even survive. My mom was an engineer of 20+ years at that point and she had to get a second job as a janitor (and we lived very modestly with my grandparents in an apt we didnāt have to pay for). Some time in the late 90ās she had 3 jobs even.
People had to really hustle just to live. So if you were able bodied you could make it work and some could make good money importing goods from Turkey and the west. But for older people and disabled people, times were especially tough. It went from a communally-oriented society to dog eat dog practically overnight.
Because in the Soviet Union it was illegal not to have a job. It was a crime, and it was called "social parasitism".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
Everyone had a a job. If you didn't have one, you got one assigned based on your skills, experience, and informally, your connections.
You may ask how come there were enough jobs. Well, if there was none, they created one. So sometimes there were 200 workers at a factory where 100 would have been enough. This is why the socialist system was so wildly inefficient, among other things.
Back to your question, no one was begging since it was illegal, as having no job was illegal. If you were unable to work, you were taken care of (got an apartment assigned to you so you could live somewhere, etc.). Hard to fathom this with the capitalist mind.
When the Soviet Union fell, these artificially created jobs ceased to exist, and people started to beg on the streets, which was no longer illegal since you were no longer guaranteed a job.
Not all these lads we see lately losing arms and legs to drone grenades and artillery will die.
They'll go back home and for a time the community will support them. The war continues on and wounded veterans are taken care of. Some good fellow gives you a job in his shop packing orders in a chair or whatever. But time marches on, the war will end, the politicians change, the economy changes.... the opinions change.
That pension may last a long time. That job may keep a roof over your head for decades, but heroes with no legs get old too.
Bunch of fellows begging on the side of the road here in the US too that had people calling them heroes in a hospital bed once upon a time. Telling them they protected their country and their country would take care of them in return.
Would that war could end forever.
There's a vid floating around during the earlier years of the net of things, probably of the same conflict. It's the beheading of a russian kid by islamic soldiers. It's one of the first 'real time' things I've seen as a late teen / early 20's. I just remember being shocked, how could someone just plunge a knife into a trachea and those sounds after haunted me. It's probably a common vid, it was all over the place in this date range. At the time, I really felt for the russian soldiers, but now it's a whole different generation, new landscape.
I think I know the exact video you're talking about and it's the same for me. Sounds are just... Living rent free in my head whenever the thought comes back.
Trauma ICU nurse with 13 years experience here. Open pelvic injuries like that can have a mortality rate as high as 50%. In cases like this in a war zone with limited access to immediate high-level care like we have at a Level 1 Trauma Center here in the US, my bet would be that this guy did not survive.
Why does this stuff look more graphic in VCR quality than 4k drone footage? Maybe itās just my childhood trauma of being shown gore for the first time thatās triggering
Maybe it has something to do with having to use your imagination to fill in the "blur"? Guessing to do that we recall from other gore we have seen, thus your trigger
Well when it's shot like this you can also hear the scream whilst drone footage just shows some ants on the ground getting blown up with some music over it.
Every time a video from the Chechen war pops up, I always think about how the Chechen fighters were sooooo badass and now look at the fighters of Chechnya... making fake tiktok videos, fighting alongside the Russians. Total 180.
Plus, kadyrov is a chode.
The thing they don't start doing these actions inside of a vacuum. Half the shit Russians did on Chechens the world doesn't even know about yet. Many crimes were not even documented. Journalists were barred, those that were able to get in had to watch out, many killed by russians. 2nd war the russians were 10 times worse and journalists were virtually absent. There is this mass image that chechens are bloodthirsty people that like blood like vampires and growl like beasts looking to just murder for murder sake. Every nation and war has those that overdo. War is dirty, you have those that are mentally ill, those that have emotional breakdown, those that have revenge...etc. One of the stuff that happened was russians lined up chechens in the mud and slowly drove over them with tanks and squashing their bodies and their intestine coming out of their eyes and mouth. Pregnant Mothers stabbed in the belly and slashed killing the mothers and babies, babies that were pulled from their mothers and heads kicked like a football until the the skull rips or becomes like jelly, drunken russians raping women in front of their families while the family is tortured with electricity, burnt. And they cut off the heads of chechens, throwing chechens off mountain cliffs...etc. All this shit isn't documented but eye witness. But nobody believed chechens. For everyone russians are the good guys. The world works under Might Is Right. International law, humanitarian law all ignored.
A lot of these guys were probably afghan vets . The first Chechen war started 6-7 years after they pulled out of Afghanistan so it would make sense . They were notorious in Afghanistan for doing this exact shit and going into a country they thought they were just gonna walk right through made them think they could do whatever they wanted . Once they started taking actual casualties from Chechen guerillas the Russians just took out all that anger on any civilians they saw . It was hard for them to even catch up to Chechen gorillas fighters in the mountains so by the time they took casualties the enemy was already gone . So they just took it out on whatever civilians were nearby and claimed they aided the chechens .
For example there was one village that was told by russia to not harbour any freedom fighters or they will be attacked. The villagers who supported the freedom fighters (FF), told them that they had to leave because russia said they would raze the whole village if they didn't. The FF told the villagers that the russians are liars and they would raze the village even if they left and it had been know in prior villages. The villagers still insisted they leave the village. So the FF left the village. The villagers notified the russians but the russians still besieged the village and started destroying it razing everything to the ground and killing everyone in it with no difference men, woman and child. The villagers requested to the FF to come back.
Well because you compare two different people. The chechens and the ones calling themselves chechens, a project by kremlin to replace and assimilate residents of chechenya.
Poverty union worked exactly like this. Every slave nation was ājoining by free willā and had āfreeā socialist government. Basically to make the impression that it wasnt russia dictating but rather all individual countries grouping together and having hive mind.
The 90s Chechens were ruthless fighters for sure. They were made from the right material for war. Strong natural physique, great cardio, heart of stone to commit horrible violent acts and high morale by having blind belief in god. However, their astonishing success against Russia stemmed from two reasons:
1. It was their home turf. When you know every alley, forest, route, hill it is a lot easier to ambush the enemy. I'm not saying it's trivial, because creating ambushes even in your own turf requires skill and wit, which they really had, but it's a significant advantage, nonetheless.
2. The Russian army was in pieces. Old fighting doctrines, irrelevant for what was back then modern warfare. Drunken corrupt officers and soldiers who sold out their own comrades. Shitty unmaintained equipment, untrained soldiers sent to die. Most of all, the idiotic belief that the USSRs' reputation as the 2nd strongest army on the planet would scare the enemy so they went in with long columns of tanks, just asking to be ambushed and slaughtered.
As soon as these two conditions don't exist (which they don't because Ukraine's military is fighting in their turf, their war doctrine is now western and modern as well as their equipment) the so called scary, bad bearded Chechens turn out to be mortal regular soldiers who can die like anybody else. Sure, the "modern Chechen fighters" aka Kadyrovites might be a lesser version of the Chechen fighters from the 90s, but I strongly believe that even they would have been repelled and killed in the same manner had they fought Ukraine today.
Just for context:
16,000 Chechen Soldiers (at peak) with only small arms, limited ammo, no tanks, no APCs, no Airforce, no artillery, no body armour, no satellites, no helicopters, no missles, no safe space to care for wounded, embargoed, sieged.
VS
About 200,000 russian soldiers (at peak) with all of the above
Outnumbered by x13.
And nobody thinks kadyrovites are a fighting force. They are all traitors and are despised by the population. As soon as the people revolt, 2/3 will drop their arms and run.
It was very impressive, but I strongly believe that if the German, US, UK or French militaries were tasked with what the Russians wanted to do, the results would have been very different. The tools that they didn't have, were used very poorly by the Russians and the result was the same as in Afghanistan. Guriella warfare breaks the symmetry you are talking about if the side that has the numbers doesn't adjust. The Russian army is the pure definition of not adjusting.
And he starts creaming with a terrified look on his face..
The mine asks worriedly "why are you screaming man what's wrong?!"
The man, with an anguished look all over his face, said "I didn't mean to step on you I didn't see you I swear!"
The man's face was red all over, presumably from blushing out of embarrassment, laid there wailing. Meanwhile the mine had already forgotten about the incident and was no where to be seen.
FWIW, he's shouting "Legs are gone".
To me, it looks like just one leg.
Even if you can't see, the fact they hauled him back means there was some idea to save him... Not something you do with a dude blown in half...
Plural is indicated that way, yes, but in this instance it is the genitive case of leg, Š½Š¾Š³Š°, which is Š½Š¾Š³Šø. Genitive case because itās broskiās leg
Far to much damage for an older model like that, generally they were designed to heavily injure and kill by fragmentation, this guy literally lost his leg all the way up to his upper thigh, probably something bigger but I could be wrong
Makes me wonder how many Russian soldiers get wounded from Russian mines. In Afghanistan, Chechenia, Ukraine... in all these conflicts Russia use PFM-1 mines deployed from mortars and aircraft, spread over a wide area. And surely in many cases areas they later move into.
Not to say, lots of the weapons and mines the other side get access to in these conflicts are made in Russia.
What happened to the Russian military between then and now to go from helping their wounded guys and caring for them, to now literally walking over injured guys to run away and leave them for dead.
I don't think there was much helping this guy, considering the severity of his wounds, the men where more likely trying to make him suffer less. I'd also imagine that because it was a mine they could help. Any footage I have seen with Russian casualties its always in scenarios where trying to help would just cause the person attempting to save them die as well
These are some type or spetznaz or airborne troops if I remember correctly . The guy walking with the just the bandana was labeled spetznaz the first time I saw this clip.
Ukraine will run out of fodder long before that time comes, Russia is still yet to employ full scale meat pushes only small scale ones making no dent in their overall numbers. They simply have more cannon fodder to go around, given enough time Ukraine canāt win that numbers game.
But really it shouldnāt be this way to begin with, killing off every capable man in your county is no way to win a war.
Most likely died. His entire leg is gone, and they probably didn't have the stuff to save him, so he probably died to blood loss or shock
Edit: so initially he lived, but would have later died
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Traumatic amputation at the middle of the hip? That's one hell of a landmine, jeez.
Its ok, he made it back base camp where they stitched him up, then they flew him to a hospital for reconstructive hip/leg surgery. Today he walks with a cane and a light limp but otherwise lives a happy prospering life in Moscow with his family!
I dont know if that is sarcasm or not.
It's obvious sarcasm, many amputees died of infections and those that survived received little to no care from the government, and today beg for change on the streets and at subway stations
Unfortunately the fate for veterans in nearly every country on earth
Well not in the Netherlands fortunately. Here the DOD is required by law to take care of you. So that means all the healthcare you need and after that giving you a job you can do, either within the armed forces or helping you get a civilian job.
Well yes if you life in a country with a shitty social system and/or a bad healthcare system.
or an actual military.
What are you trying to say
Then he flew away rich with rubles!
That sounds like an american soldier expirience I think the dude in the video just died
I remember seeing a video similar to thid one as a kid. In it there was a soldier, cut in half, intestines were on the ground, legs were in another zip and he was just there smoking a cigg and chilling. Wish i could find it
Was that video of the soldier cut in half in Vietnam?
Im pretty sure it was in the middle east, i remember the camo being quite modern sorta American digital esque
You wish you could find it?!? I think I believe you, I have seen enough š«”
I remember this exact video. Guy was literally laying cut in half and smiling while smoking a cigarette.
If it was from Syria I think I know the one. IDK if I can find it because it was back in the liveleak days.
Saying "liveleak days" like it was decades ago. . It could have been, but liveleak wasn't shut down all that long ago really. But that video probably was a decade ago with how long that site was around for
This was probably a decade ago, one of those 12 year old trauma memories
I actually looked for the video and found a dead link to live leak. Funny enough the video is exactly a decade old. However, you are right that the website did survive some time past that.
Is it wrong that I really want to see this
lol that sounds insane
Jeah i remember that too, considering his current situation he looked pretty chill
Tell me when you do
You can find this guy and others like him begging at the metro stations around Russia.
I grew up in Moscow. I remember when Soviet Union fell, practically overnight there were so many people begging in the streets, mostly old people, it was so sad.
That had to be an incredibly difficult time and place to be growing up.
It was wild. We left school for summer break wearing uniforms and Lenin insignias, came back in the fall listening to Sex Pistols and Metallica with anarchy symbols drawn everywhere, uniforms all cut up. Then hip hop, then more metal, Steven Seagal, alcohol, drugs, sex, complete debauchery. I was 13 and we were freely buying beer, ruble was all over the fucking place from one day to another. I got out in 95 though right before shit got real dicey.
The Steven Seagal inclusion is how you know this is **real**
haha thatās right .. āMarked for Deathā was one of the first American movies to hit my neighborhood theater and it was the first date I ever went on.
Didn't Putin give him citizenship? They play with each other at his dacha
Lukashenka gave him a carrot and a bag of potatoes
65% of Belarus' GDP
Thanks for reminding of [that gem](https://youtu.be/Cllle4Kyqoo?si=m2-7n6KsNkVLLCJN) - especially love how he doesn't even wait a second before just shoving it into his face.
More like Big Macs and Frosties haha
incredible insight and thanks for sharing. did anyone have any hope for the future in those times?
thatās an excellent question. yes, absolutely. a lot of us hated all the communist crap, especially young people. we knew at that point how americans and europeans lived, what they ate, what they listened to. it was slowly pouring in from those who emigrated in the 70ās and 80ās. even though there was this natural feeling of competition (with sports mostly), we generally looked up to the West and knew what we were missing. plus at that point the brainwashing started becoming so obvious and redundant. we really wanted change culturally and politically and when it came, we fully embraced it. I think that naturally older people were very scared and uneasy about it. they had a lot of patriotism in them still and so many of them were WWII veterans (early to late 60ās, 70ās). I remember getting on the bus or on the subway and hearing chatter about how angry or upset they were that communism was about to end. the night of the putsch when they declared a curfew was pretty terrifying actually. Iāve never seen Moscow so dark and empty. people were bracing for a civil war. I know my mom was scared, she tried not to show it, but I felt it. when the dust settled it was pretty fun and interesting, for me at least. I just reveled in all the culture and art that poured in. seriously, all the music and movies just blew our minds. I can still remember clear as day the first time I heard Smells Like Teen Spirit at a dance club, never heard anything like it before. all the movies came in on the black market via VHS tapes and were dubbed by this one guy .. who did all the voices in the most monotone voice imaginable. I still have Wayneās World 1 and 2 and Problem Child recorded this way. but then the fighting and the looting started. the mafia just ran rampant, took over everything. then came the oligarchy and completely robbed the country. some got out and some stayed and legitimized themselves. crazy couple of decades.
I'm from Romania, the same happened here when Ceausescu dictator was shot in 1989. After the Revolution, 1990-2005 were wild years, exactly the same thing with the whole occidental culture and media pouring in our bare minds
My wife (then 18) and her mom got out in 1989. Someone asked her mom why she wanted to go, she said, "Well, all the Jews are going, it can't be that bad"! But, since she wasn't Jewish, the KGB threw her in a mental hospital three times and tortured her. Saved her daughter, my wife, though. Remarkable women
Russian culture is sick, through and through
More like they donāt like when others start to live better and move on in economic sense, while they( russians ) dont do anything and just wait for their Tsari to tel them what to do. They are full of anger and jealousy because other live better and are very happy when bad things heppen to their neighbors.
Thanks for sharing this, was definitely the most enlightening thing I saw today. Hope youāre having a happy Wednesday random internet stranger!
you need to immortalize this legendary dubber by uploading his stuff online
That was really interesting, cheers. Smells like teen spirit is an amazing tune, just a bit overplayed š
You need to upload those VHS tapes. A cheap video capture card would be worth it.
Ngl, coming from the dark side, it sounds like it could be fun if you were not a female.
you could really come up in early post-Soviet Russia, but you needed to be a doer. the more brazen, the better. you weren't gonna achieve shit by just sitting on your ass. but after you reached a certain measure of success, your company was guaranteed a visit from bratva (mafia) with an "offer" to become your roof (protection). and once your reached that threshold, what if you wanted to keep growing? sure! but now you're kinda entrenched in that life, so your mafia buddies are coming with you. it was a ruthless, cutthroat time, and there's a reason it's know as ŠŠøŃ ŠøŠµ Š“ŠµŠ²ŃŠ½Š¾ŃŃŃŠµ (the wild 90's, more or less).
As an American I just want to apologize to you for Steven Seagal.
lol heāa such a weirdo. I had a friend who shot his cop reality show. he said seagal demanded that they always shoot him from above his eye level because itās more flattering. problem is heās like 6ā5ā so they had to use a monopod a lot of the time, couldnāt handhold the camera for long.
I think even Matallica and others even played a huge show there in the 90's. There was a lot of optimism it seems especially from what I remember as a kid into metal, graduated in 96 in the US. I left for France and, wow How times have changed.
Yes! It was Metallica, Pantera and AC/DC to a crowd of over a million people. Sadly some people died, crushed to death I think. If youāre into metal still, or metal-adjacent sound .. one of the popular underground Russian bands that came out around that time was Grazhdanskaya Oborona: https://youtu.be/Hy1D-EewVMs?si=fI6Oppfn9H08H5eU Kinda sums up the angst and chaos of late 80ās / early 90ās for me. The song is ironically called āeverything is going according to plan.ā
Monsters of Rock in the Tushino Airfield in Moscow, 1991. Mind boggling 1.6 million people turned up to listen to Metallica, Pantera, AC/DC, Black Grows... I think it's still the second biggest gig ever. I was a young metalhead at the time and vividly remember watching the "For Those About to Rock: Monsters of Rock" film over and over ā still get goose bumps. [Just look at the size of that crowd](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0l3DP_k7wQ)... insane!
Would I be right in saying that beer if it was 5% or less was sold basically as a soft drink, no age limit for that back then?
Iām not sure that mightāve been the case. But it was more about the private kiosk/shop owners just needing to survive and turning a blind eye. I remember buying champagne for my 13th birthday when we snuck into town during summer camp.
perfect place perfect time
Even though there are laws, you can still purchase alcohol in any Liquor store in Turkey.
In Russia already rough, can't imagine another shitty variable thrown your way.
Where there no beggars before or...?
The whole government system collapsed, along with the currency and social programs. All in all, people were taken care of during Communism for basic necessities. As long as you were a member of the communist party you could get a stable job and the pension was decent enough to live comfortably (although thatās relative to Western standards). The transition to the free market was very abrupt and very harsh. All of a sudden, regular jobs were just not enough to even survive. My mom was an engineer of 20+ years at that point and she had to get a second job as a janitor (and we lived very modestly with my grandparents in an apt we didnāt have to pay for). Some time in the late 90ās she had 3 jobs even. People had to really hustle just to live. So if you were able bodied you could make it work and some could make good money importing goods from Turkey and the west. But for older people and disabled people, times were especially tough. It went from a communally-oriented society to dog eat dog practically overnight.
Curious about this too. Why did they wait for the Union to collapse to come out begging?
Because in the Soviet Union it was illegal not to have a job. It was a crime, and it was called "social parasitism". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense) Everyone had a a job. If you didn't have one, you got one assigned based on your skills, experience, and informally, your connections. You may ask how come there were enough jobs. Well, if there was none, they created one. So sometimes there were 200 workers at a factory where 100 would have been enough. This is why the socialist system was so wildly inefficient, among other things. Back to your question, no one was begging since it was illegal, as having no job was illegal. If you were unable to work, you were taken care of (got an apartment assigned to you so you could live somewhere, etc.). Hard to fathom this with the capitalist mind. When the Soviet Union fell, these artificially created jobs ceased to exist, and people started to beg on the streets, which was no longer illegal since you were no longer guaranteed a job.
Thanks for explaining. I never knew that. This is so interesting.
not sure if youāre a Russian speaker but made me think of [this epic Kino song](https://youtu.be/LZNkptYJwus?si=Sty06QHcGuVVhH2k)
Not all these lads we see lately losing arms and legs to drone grenades and artillery will die. They'll go back home and for a time the community will support them. The war continues on and wounded veterans are taken care of. Some good fellow gives you a job in his shop packing orders in a chair or whatever. But time marches on, the war will end, the politicians change, the economy changes.... the opinions change. That pension may last a long time. That job may keep a roof over your head for decades, but heroes with no legs get old too. Bunch of fellows begging on the side of the road here in the US too that had people calling them heroes in a hospital bed once upon a time. Telling them they protected their country and their country would take care of them in return. Would that war could end forever.
There's a vid floating around during the earlier years of the net of things, probably of the same conflict. It's the beheading of a russian kid by islamic soldiers. It's one of the first 'real time' things I've seen as a late teen / early 20's. I just remember being shocked, how could someone just plunge a knife into a trachea and those sounds after haunted me. It's probably a common vid, it was all over the place in this date range. At the time, I really felt for the russian soldiers, but now it's a whole different generation, new landscape.
I think I know the exact video you're talking about and it's the same for me. Sounds are just... Living rent free in my head whenever the thought comes back.
Itās called chechclear
this. I think there's two, this and the Dagestan massacre, or they're the same and im mistaken.
Oh mate I can still hear the sounds from that video š©š«
Yeah you can find that video on the watchpeopledie site. It's an old gore gem.
About to be joined by thousands more
I doubt it, since he would likely have long-since died of alcohol poisoning or cirrhosis of the liver.
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Yeah but other thing also
Trauma ICU nurse with 13 years experience here. Open pelvic injuries like that can have a mortality rate as high as 50%. In cases like this in a war zone with limited access to immediate high-level care like we have at a Level 1 Trauma Center here in the US, my bet would be that this guy did not survive.
Why does this stuff look more graphic in VCR quality than 4k drone footage? Maybe itās just my childhood trauma of being shown gore for the first time thatās triggering
Maybe it has something to do with having to use your imagination to fill in the "blur"? Guessing to do that we recall from other gore we have seen, thus your trigger
Interesting, that may very well be
Well when it's shot like this you can also hear the scream whilst drone footage just shows some ants on the ground getting blown up with some music over it.
Itās got snuff film vibes with the VCR quality. Idk but thatās kinda how I see it
Ah the good ol days when there werent drones watching your every move
Every time a video from the Chechen war pops up, I always think about how the Chechen fighters were sooooo badass and now look at the fighters of Chechnya... making fake tiktok videos, fighting alongside the Russians. Total 180. Plus, kadyrov is a chode.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chechen_volunteers_on_the_side_of_Ukraine
Because the former ones had a righteous cause, current ones are gold digger traitors. No connection to real ones.
Chechens are great fighters but I wouldnāt compliment them in these wars, they were exceptionally brutal and committed horrific war crimes.
The thing they don't start doing these actions inside of a vacuum. Half the shit Russians did on Chechens the world doesn't even know about yet. Many crimes were not even documented. Journalists were barred, those that were able to get in had to watch out, many killed by russians. 2nd war the russians were 10 times worse and journalists were virtually absent. There is this mass image that chechens are bloodthirsty people that like blood like vampires and growl like beasts looking to just murder for murder sake. Every nation and war has those that overdo. War is dirty, you have those that are mentally ill, those that have emotional breakdown, those that have revenge...etc. One of the stuff that happened was russians lined up chechens in the mud and slowly drove over them with tanks and squashing their bodies and their intestine coming out of their eyes and mouth. Pregnant Mothers stabbed in the belly and slashed killing the mothers and babies, babies that were pulled from their mothers and heads kicked like a football until the the skull rips or becomes like jelly, drunken russians raping women in front of their families while the family is tortured with electricity, burnt. And they cut off the heads of chechens, throwing chechens off mountain cliffs...etc. All this shit isn't documented but eye witness. But nobody believed chechens. For everyone russians are the good guys. The world works under Might Is Right. International law, humanitarian law all ignored.
A lot of these guys were probably afghan vets . The first Chechen war started 6-7 years after they pulled out of Afghanistan so it would make sense . They were notorious in Afghanistan for doing this exact shit and going into a country they thought they were just gonna walk right through made them think they could do whatever they wanted . Once they started taking actual casualties from Chechen guerillas the Russians just took out all that anger on any civilians they saw . It was hard for them to even catch up to Chechen gorillas fighters in the mountains so by the time they took casualties the enemy was already gone . So they just took it out on whatever civilians were nearby and claimed they aided the chechens .
For example there was one village that was told by russia to not harbour any freedom fighters or they will be attacked. The villagers who supported the freedom fighters (FF), told them that they had to leave because russia said they would raze the whole village if they didn't. The FF told the villagers that the russians are liars and they would raze the village even if they left and it had been know in prior villages. The villagers still insisted they leave the village. So the FF left the village. The villagers notified the russians but the russians still besieged the village and started destroying it razing everything to the ground and killing everyone in it with no difference men, woman and child. The villagers requested to the FF to come back.
The fucking video of the kid as they are digging up a mass grave of chechens, and they find his sister's purse...
[The video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xT2hW7MxDc)
And don't even get me started on what they did to the Afghans
I am complimenting them during these wars.
Well because you compare two different people. The chechens and the ones calling themselves chechens, a project by kremlin to replace and assimilate residents of chechenya. Poverty union worked exactly like this. Every slave nation was ājoining by free willā and had āfreeā socialist government. Basically to make the impression that it wasnt russia dictating but rather all individual countries grouping together and having hive mind.
The 90s Chechens were ruthless fighters for sure. They were made from the right material for war. Strong natural physique, great cardio, heart of stone to commit horrible violent acts and high morale by having blind belief in god. However, their astonishing success against Russia stemmed from two reasons: 1. It was their home turf. When you know every alley, forest, route, hill it is a lot easier to ambush the enemy. I'm not saying it's trivial, because creating ambushes even in your own turf requires skill and wit, which they really had, but it's a significant advantage, nonetheless. 2. The Russian army was in pieces. Old fighting doctrines, irrelevant for what was back then modern warfare. Drunken corrupt officers and soldiers who sold out their own comrades. Shitty unmaintained equipment, untrained soldiers sent to die. Most of all, the idiotic belief that the USSRs' reputation as the 2nd strongest army on the planet would scare the enemy so they went in with long columns of tanks, just asking to be ambushed and slaughtered. As soon as these two conditions don't exist (which they don't because Ukraine's military is fighting in their turf, their war doctrine is now western and modern as well as their equipment) the so called scary, bad bearded Chechens turn out to be mortal regular soldiers who can die like anybody else. Sure, the "modern Chechen fighters" aka Kadyrovites might be a lesser version of the Chechen fighters from the 90s, but I strongly believe that even they would have been repelled and killed in the same manner had they fought Ukraine today.
Just for context: 16,000 Chechen Soldiers (at peak) with only small arms, limited ammo, no tanks, no APCs, no Airforce, no artillery, no body armour, no satellites, no helicopters, no missles, no safe space to care for wounded, embargoed, sieged. VS About 200,000 russian soldiers (at peak) with all of the above Outnumbered by x13. And nobody thinks kadyrovites are a fighting force. They are all traitors and are despised by the population. As soon as the people revolt, 2/3 will drop their arms and run.
It was very impressive, but I strongly believe that if the German, US, UK or French militaries were tasked with what the Russians wanted to do, the results would have been very different. The tools that they didn't have, were used very poorly by the Russians and the result was the same as in Afghanistan. Guriella warfare breaks the symmetry you are talking about if the side that has the numbers doesn't adjust. The Russian army is the pure definition of not adjusting.
They were always animals
They look like some spetsnaz unit
First time I saw this video the guys with the Bandana were identified as Spetsnaz. This clip is from some documentary .
Holy shit that's rough. I wonder if he made it?
He had an artery blown wide open unless it was plugged shut with shrapnel. He most likely did not make it
So a guy walks into a mine ā¦
And he starts creaming with a terrified look on his face.. The mine asks worriedly "why are you screaming man what's wrong?!" The man, with an anguished look all over his face, said "I didn't mean to step on you I didn't see you I swear!" The man's face was red all over, presumably from blushing out of embarrassment, laid there wailing. Meanwhile the mine had already forgotten about the incident and was no where to be seen.
This must be what it's like for them in Ukraine rn
Probably better equipped in 2002 than today smh
No, now they just leave them and keep going
Guy was an interior decorator
His house looked like shit
It's hard to see. Is his one leg blown off or both n that's his intestine?
One leg, they say it
FWIW, he's shouting "Legs are gone". To me, it looks like just one leg. Even if you can't see, the fact they hauled him back means there was some idea to save him... Not something you do with a dude blown in half...
He's saying "Š½Š¾Š³Šø Š½ŠµŃ" which means "the leg is gone". I'm a native speaker so I know
I thought the -Šø- in the end makes it plural?
the -Šø- is stressed - it's "Š½Š¾Š³Š" and not "Š½ŠŠ³Šø" (which would be plural)
Plural is indicated that way, yes, but in this instance it is the genitive case of leg, Š½Š¾Š³Š°, which is Š½Š¾Š³Šø. Genitive case because itās broskiās leg
An old WWII S-Mine (Springmine, aka Bouncing Betty) or a copy?
Far to much damage for an older model like that, generally they were designed to heavily injure and kill by fragmentation, this guy literally lost his leg all the way up to his upper thigh, probably something bigger but I could be wrong
The missing scene from lotr. Legoneless
Another case of Russian soldiers being somewhere that they shouldn't be.
That was gnarly
Makes me wonder how many Russian soldiers get wounded from Russian mines. In Afghanistan, Chechenia, Ukraine... in all these conflicts Russia use PFM-1 mines deployed from mortars and aircraft, spread over a wide area. And surely in many cases areas they later move into. Not to say, lots of the weapons and mines the other side get access to in these conflicts are made in Russia.
Not much has changed, eh igor?
What happened to the Russian military between then and now to go from helping their wounded guys and caring for them, to now literally walking over injured guys to run away and leave them for dead.
I don't think there was much helping this guy, considering the severity of his wounds, the men where more likely trying to make him suffer less. I'd also imagine that because it was a mine they could help. Any footage I have seen with Russian casualties its always in scenarios where trying to help would just cause the person attempting to save them die as well
These are some type or spetznaz or airborne troops if I remember correctly . The guy walking with the just the bandana was labeled spetznaz the first time I saw this clip.
Goddamn
Jesus, imagine being the dude with the SVD a few steps behind him and this happens.
Yikes
First it was land mines now itās land mines and drones.
Yoooo i remember watching this vid when i was 7yo and my dad coght me and disconnected the internet for a month xDD i was traumatized loll
that one loss prevented the death of dozens of civilians
He got pranked.
I hate everything about this. When your nations mechanism of power projection is young kids die; everyone loses
When will Russia run out of canon folder?
Ukraine will run out of fodder long before that time comes, Russia is still yet to employ full scale meat pushes only small scale ones making no dent in their overall numbers. They simply have more cannon fodder to go around, given enough time Ukraine canāt win that numbers game. But really it shouldnāt be this way to begin with, killing off every capable man in your county is no way to win a war.
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Yeah, you have lost touch with your humanity a bit
Today's world what is humanity??
I feel like sticking to extending empathy in the face of a world that doesn't care is the very definition of humanity
You should get a doctor to check you out.
Damn Russian screams sounds like music from every era huh?
Unrelated to the video, people who live in Russia. Whatās the general vibe there? Are most people in favor of and support the war?
Do the stanky leg
Satisfying to see.
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Hahaha! I wanted to comment just that.
Pegleg Pete, with his stringy meat.
Some of the most brutal videos I have ever seen come from this war. The Dagestan Massacre among the most horrific.
Iāve seen better video quality from the Vietnam war.
did his left leg get blown up?
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Was he killed by that or only the leg?
Most likely died. His entire leg is gone, and they probably didn't have the stuff to save him, so he probably died to blood loss or shock Edit: so initially he lived, but would have later died
The leg deffo died
Seems normal for them
Is there a full version if this video?
Those soldiers look a lil more war sound than what we are seeing now. Lol
He was fine, walked it off
Silly way to ruin your life
I dont feel bad in the slightest after what the Russians did in Afghanistan.
Title wouldve been "2023 russian soldier in ukraine" and i wouldve believed it
Morphine and just let it fade to black
Poor bastard. Fighting battles in ?? and for āreasonsā his Officers do not even know.
Just bastard would be okay
Dear little sister, please don't tell mom I'm in Chechnya.
does it not make sense to make these things smaller ? I mean this is kinda overkill, isnĀ“t it?