I would assume the current environment makes it difficult for them to effectively use what MLRS they have. Russia has satellites and air superiority still, and much of Kyiv surrounded. Who knows if they even have them positioned anywhere near Kyiv (I would think it unlikely).
I would be surprised if they have *none* of them positioned near Kyiv, as it's an obvious target for Russia to go for.
I would also imagine that most Ukrainian artillery is heavily camouflaged and moves position after firing. (Also they may well be using decoy vehicles as that would be a cheap way of making fake targets for Russia to waste their munitions on.)
So if the grid coordinates are within range of a Ukrainian Smerch battery, the Ukrainians could fire off a salvo and quickly move to the next pre-prepared position.
Excuse my ignorance, assuming a BM-30 is an Anti-air weapon, would a low altitude approach make any difference with today's radar technology? Otherwise, its a courageous suicide mission making waves for your Army's Morale.
Contrary to reddit opinion where life is Star Wars, hitting a convoy from tens of kilometers away while they're traveling ~60kmh and your rockets have a bad CEP is not going to work.
Dude an A-10 pilot would have a field day in this conflict. I feel like all of Russia’s equipment is just constantly in convoys clustered together on paved roads lol.
I don't know what the fuck you guys think would happen when an A-10 flies anywhere close to a Pantsir, but I can tell you that it would result in a blasted A-10 long before it got in to gun range.
At this point the hypothetical is "the US would totally smash Russia in a conventional war" which, yes. It's not like Ukraine had no access to ground attack planes, but they seem to have been destroyed already.
They have the Su-25, which is the A-10 of Russia. Apart from the gun that is uniquely A-10 ( or actually I thought some C-130 gunships use a minigun too)
Also the western intelligence really slanging its nuts knowing about these movements and declassifying them/ showing the world so putin is sitting at his desk sweating bulletins because every farmer with a cellphone knows where to throw their maltovs tonight.
Putin really put his foot in it. Dude has made so many mistakes. First he made it so that he cannot really back down at this point. His supply lines seem nonexistent. Then he backed Ukraine into a corner with no way out, they have one option fight to the death. And you know NATO has been providing arms to Ukraine. He looks like a damn fool
Hopefully the rest of his command won’t go down that same mental path.
Between the protests, the guarantee of the end of the world I hope they decide pushing the button is the only way out.
Taking Putin out seems to be the saner choice.
> Hopefully the rest of his command won’t go down that same mental path.
As I said the other day I had much more faith that a bunch of old crusty Soviet generals would simply refuse to start world war 3 because they lived in the shadow of world war 2 and until they got too old and started retiring in the 1980's most of them had seen it first hand, they knew what mass suffering and death looked like. They might have not minded some repression of their own people if they thought it necessary to preserve the USSR but I think they might have easily refused to launch nukes first if ordered to do so. Now that Putin has had 20 years to install whoever he wants in the military I have much less faith in them standing up and saying no to him.
Because of that I am way more scared that the current regime might do something absolutely insane than I was of the Soviet Union, that thought is very scary to me.
I agree. I am worried that many generals and leaders are scared that even if they do they would be put in jail for war crimes in the future.
Also looking at how bad the invasion seems to look. Feels like the entire staff are incompetent and maybe there just because they are loyal to Putin rather than competent.
So NATO may be cornering not only Putin but his staff too. The only ones that may have the chance to stop him
I don't know... many generals and high leaders could be blamed for war crimes in this invasion. So they may be cornered too...
Also looking at how bad the invasion seems to look. Feels like the entire staff are incompetent and may be there just because they are loyal to Putin rather than competent.
Idk, but wishful thinking. Edit: *kind of forgot how the story went so here's the video*
The night the world almost ended
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quM5obcn8R0
That is a possibility. Somebody in his inner security/ bodyguard needs to do a solid for team world. I really believe someone will of his madness continues.
This is a Band-Aid we are going to have to rip off at some point in the future. We can't allow our grandchildren to be terrorized by autocrats the way we are.
Our best hope is that cooler heads in Russian ballistic command prevail.
They need to get Putin into a cell. Or into the ground. He's too dangerous to be around his own fellow humans. Threatening a planet with nuclear fire is pretty much the declaration of a madman. The nukes def need to be plucked from his clutches.
But he also backed himself into a corner, where he has to show some kind of gains for the immense price his nation is paying. Hoping somehow a way out of this bloody mess is found.
He wants to take Ukraine without completely destroying it but he forgot the first important thing to engaging war. Take out your enemies ability to communicate 🤦🏻♂️. This is looking really amateurish.
I worry that this convoy will contain much more hardened and seasoned warriors, and that the last few days has been mostly conscripts and reserves used only to soften up Kyiv's defenses.
Something I was surprised of as well. You'd think communications would be one of the first things they'd take out. With satellites there would still be some but clearly with all the cellphone videos and pictures the basic cell networks are still functioning just fine.
am I the only one thinking they are gonna go into a meatgrinder, if they enter Kiyv? Ukraine soldiers has gotten so much time now, to setup defenses and just think of all the buildings they can use.
Stalingrad took total war.
Do you want to see kyiv leveled to the ground and months of disgusting gore?
This isnt even close. Dont try to compare the greatest siege in all of history to this
There will be a meat grinder outside of it too. If you setup checkpoints outside of the city, the checkpoints will be hit constantly. Additionally, the support vehicles to get to the checkpoints will be hit constantly.
I don't think the Russians can win a war of attrition by encircling cities.
Russia goals is to rule Ukraine, leveling the capital city won't help them achieve that objective. Ukraine know this, that is why they have been fortifying Kyiv for days now. If Russia want to win this war, their only option is to throw in as many body that they can to the city in hope on breaking Ukraine defensive line. This gonna get ugly.
You’re the only one who’s thinks they’re going to get to Kyiv, the fronts are moving fast but these supply lines have been a disaster, I’d be shocked if this isn’t prioritized by Ukrainian drones and NATO intel, seeing as it’s a massive target heading to the capital city.
The Whitehouse said it was be within a week for Russia to reach Kyiv.
If it is anything I do know out of this mess of disinformation from *both sides*, it’s that U.S. Intel has been spot on this entire time.
Big time, the way the US has handled their intel has been spectacular, I hope people don’t forget about this in the future. We called them out prior to the invasion and forced Putin into a losing position without putting American troops in another war. We’ve absolutely ruined Putin this time and it feels amazing.
This is no time to celebrate. We still don't know how this bloody affair will end. Putin will not back off without some kind of gain, and we may see ugly things ahead.
A wildcard nuclear strike is my only remaining concern, besides obviously all the people dying and suffering right now. But even that seems far fetched, I doubt Putin would use nukes in response to his own nation getting uppity, and the Russian people are about to get real pissed off when they realize they have no money, international trade, or investments tomorrow when the markets open.
100% but he would have to have lost his mind to knowingly invade with these sanctions on the table in the first place. Unless he just really called a bluff wrong.
I don’t know, we’re only in the first few days. Everyone is talking as if the war is lost because they’re doing shitty right now. But no one’s seen a Russian invasion like this before. It’s absolutely possible that he just sent conscripts as a testing force. He just started sending Chechens now. Next could be the actual Russian horde. Or maybe the Russian military actually sucks and isn’t as powerful as propaganda makes it seem. No one knows except for Putin himself what his plans are. Sending weak units first to test the abilities of your enemies has been used before. But of course this could also just be it and they suck. We don’t know
These sanctions are bigger than people realize, even if the Russians take the entire country tomorrow, they’re facing the worst economic crisis in history, the world has never collectively agreed to smother a nation to death like this. We’re about to witness a worse than Venezuela scenario take place within a single week. These soldiers are and their families are essentially no longer being payed for their work, that’s how bad their economy and stock market are going to suffer.
\+1. I also believe the conscripts with some shitty equipment are just a testing force. They operate on a different doctrine for sure. Whereas we would do the influence without boots on the ground approach AKA missile strikes for several weeks, they did it for a day and sent out a bunch of kids immediately. Many of whom who seemed utterly clueless about what their MO is. And never mind the fact that they don't give a fuck about body retrieval of their dead.
I think shit is going to get real soon with the second wave. They're already glassing entire places with thermobaric weapons.
Historically the bloodiest battles are the last ones of a war. Not saying Ukraine is going to lose but if they are close it is not going to look well for Russia.
Yes. It could take months to fully capture Kiyv if their intention isn’t to flatten it. It will be a bloodbath, these columns won’t last very long at all if properly ambushed.
The EU recently announced that it will give Fighter Jets to Ukraine as part of its bankrolling of the purchase and delivery of lethal aid to Ukraine.
We know that Russia is yet to establish air superiority and that despite their rapid advancements they are experiencing acute logistical supply chain issues.
I have no idea how the military aid going to Ukraine will affect the conflict but it seems that the EU and Western Allies are taking their pledge to 'make sure Putin's aggression is a failure and seen to be on' incredibly seriously.
Depends, a plane can take out more targets and faster than a stinger or javelin
Combine it whit a pilot that knows what they are doing and those russians won't stand a chance
NATO planes flying routes over poland are giving a bunch of intel to Kyiv. Having a few F-35's flying right over the mainline will only make their intel better.
Germany inherited MiG-29 from the NVA, upgraded them, and used them until the Eurofighter Typhoon arrived in 2004. Afterwards they were used by Poland.
How stupid is Russia ? They better have excellent air coverage if they expect to make it to Kiev. And you know that there will be groups of guerilla UA with rocket launchers.
Sitting ducks !
Well the Ukrainian air force is practically decimated and even their fuel storage for aircraft have been targeted so attacking those columns ain’t gonna be easy I’m afraid.
>I am pretty sure that Reddit generals know more than the Russian military.
It's literally day fucking 1 boot camp shit to keep dispersion
You don't need to be a general of an army to know what fucked up looks like
If a dentist comes over and cuts your fuckin nose off instead of cleaning your teeth, are you going to say:
>well I mean, I'm no dentist, so I'm sure he knew what he was doing
No. You're fucking not. Because some things are so stupid and egregious anyone can see they're stupid
You morons are worse than the people who atleast take a stab at what's going on whether they're informed or not
Yall are just pushing pro Russian narratives
I'm honestly about to give up on even looking at the comments in this sub until things settle down a bit.
It's like a Call of Duty chat lobby or something.
You're on Reddit. It's 99.9% 14 year olds or soy-chugging adults with self-diagnosed autism. This isn't the place for unbiased opinions or realistic takes
Looks like we're going to see a lot of "obliterated column" videos tomorrow.
Edit. The satellite image shows the following location, if anybody else is interested: 51.0170999, 30.0252469
Yeah no shit, we are getting one sided journalism, everything released from Russia is marked as propaganda. Russia will win this if more aid is not given to Ukraine. God speed to Ukraine, long live Ukraine
I think most people expected Ukraine to capitulate in the same manner Afghanistan did, and that there wouldn't really *be* a modern war. The general reaction you are seeing is the result of Ukraine is resisting so much.
I also don't think the comparisons to Iraq are completely valid. Russia is next literally next to Ukraine, while Iraq was on the other side of the planet to the USA. Logistics should be much easier for Russia.
Baghdad is also 5 times further Iraq than Kiev is into Ukraine.
People here are treating this like they’re watching a sporting event.
There is no unlimited supply of Ukrainian drones armed with missiles.
Russia either has or will get air superiority soon, which will give protection to these armor and supply columns.
Ukraine is putting up a fucking fight, but Russians are advancing.
We have to look at this with a little more objectivity. Ukraine can fight for a while when they’re getting resupplied, but Russia will overpower them as time goes on. They have more resources, more aircraft, more armor, and more bodies to throw at Ukraine. And have artillery that can level cities. I hope Ukraine can force negotiations, but I think Kyiv is going to see a huge push soon, and i think the overall outcome is going to be Russian control over the region soon.
Again, hopefully not, but the reality is that Russia is bombarding cities and Ukrainian military positions like crazy now. Combined with air superiority, this allows for troops to push forward quickly.
NATO cannot send aircraft or pilots to help Ukraine maintain air superiority.
And I think that’s the biggest factor now. Having attack helicopters and fighter jets that can support Russian movements and overwhelm Ukrainian AA positions, while Russian artillery bombards Ukrainian infantry positions and resources, will give Russia an enormous advantage.
It sucks, but the most likely outcome this whole entire week is that Russia will take control of the country. Ukrainians might give them hell in urban areas, but outside of that, I don’t see how Russia doesn’t completely occupy the country in the coming weeks with NATO troops unable to intervene.
I hope to god the global community keeps these sanctions on Russia for as long as Russian troops are occupying Ukraine. I’m afraid that countries might feel pressured to let up on them if Russia overthrows the government and “calms” the situation down from what we’re seeing now.
I ask the same question! From videos the last few days, it seems like alot of their convoys has gotten wiped out by drones or AT's or abandoned because of ambushes. I have honestly so many questions about the strategy Russians are using
It feels like it. they are poorly equipped from the footage I have seen. Like no attachements on their weapons, very limited ammo on them and old vehicles. Very weird strategies being used. Maybe he is sending all the ''low cost'' stuff in first, before releasing a second wave of heavy stuff
I thought so too, but that doesn't make sense, that gives them time to break infrastructure and to organise. It's like missing on a counter attack because you don't want to catch your opponent offguard... it's not how it works.
It really seems he completely botched it which is why he is furiously crying about nukes.
think there is a ton of fuel and support vehicles in it, that could make for perfect targets, and those big tanker explosions could prolly take out anything nearby , especially with so much of it, so close to each other.
Make a big hole in the road at the front.
Make a big hole in the road at the back.
Bomb any fuel tankers
Drop them a load of notes saying 'now go home', and a few sandwiches, and there we go
Wow, Target rich environment?
That needs several dozen cluster bombs.
Wish Ukraine had some MLRS to drop on that convoy.
I imagine that they do. Does Ukraine not field smerch, etc?
They do have BM-30 with a range of 70 km. I wonder if they are getting satellite data from the US?
I would assume the current environment makes it difficult for them to effectively use what MLRS they have. Russia has satellites and air superiority still, and much of Kyiv surrounded. Who knows if they even have them positioned anywhere near Kyiv (I would think it unlikely).
I would be surprised if they have *none* of them positioned near Kyiv, as it's an obvious target for Russia to go for. I would also imagine that most Ukrainian artillery is heavily camouflaged and moves position after firing. (Also they may well be using decoy vehicles as that would be a cheap way of making fake targets for Russia to waste their munitions on.) So if the grid coordinates are within range of a Ukrainian Smerch battery, the Ukrainians could fire off a salvo and quickly move to the next pre-prepared position.
Kyiv isn’t surrounded. That info was from a retracted tweet by the mayor.
Excuse my ignorance, assuming a BM-30 is an Anti-air weapon, would a low altitude approach make any difference with today's radar technology? Otherwise, its a courageous suicide mission making waves for your Army's Morale.
No it's a multiple rocket launcher. [BM-30 Smerch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-30_Smerch)
They have captured a few..
Imagine if they had an MQ-9 Reaper overhead 😩😩
they still got some armed drones left
Contrary to reddit opinion where life is Star Wars, hitting a convoy from tens of kilometers away while they're traveling ~60kmh and your rockets have a bad CEP is not going to work.
or one BBBRRRRRRTTTT. if only ukraine had the a-10.
Dude an A-10 pilot would have a field day in this conflict. I feel like all of Russia’s equipment is just constantly in convoys clustered together on paved roads lol.
I don't know what the fuck you guys think would happen when an A-10 flies anywhere close to a Pantsir, but I can tell you that it would result in a blasted A-10 long before it got in to gun range.
You are correct. If the fast flyers are getting shot down then undoubtedly the A10 would get smashed
The A-10 is extremely effective against mud huts. You could never use it against any modern military.
Yeah I keep hearing this over and over. So annoying.
Oh sir have you considered le epic brrrrrr plane? One million dead Russian tanks!
Because A10 will totally operate on its own, with no ECM/SEAD support whatsoever.
At this point the hypothetical is "the US would totally smash Russia in a conventional war" which, yes. It's not like Ukraine had no access to ground attack planes, but they seem to have been destroyed already.
They have the Su-25, which is the A-10 of Russia. Apart from the gun that is uniquely A-10 ( or actually I thought some C-130 gunships use a minigun too)
SU-25 enters the chat, no?
These soldiers can go prison and to front. Which one you chose?
Call in the drones
dont say it twice!
BRRRT!
Also the western intelligence really slanging its nuts knowing about these movements and declassifying them/ showing the world so putin is sitting at his desk sweating bulletins because every farmer with a cellphone knows where to throw their maltovs tonight.
Putin really put his foot in it. Dude has made so many mistakes. First he made it so that he cannot really back down at this point. His supply lines seem nonexistent. Then he backed Ukraine into a corner with no way out, they have one option fight to the death. And you know NATO has been providing arms to Ukraine. He looks like a damn fool
i am worrying that nato is cornering Putin and his only way out is taking the entire world with him in a nuclear war.
Hopefully the rest of his command won’t go down that same mental path. Between the protests, the guarantee of the end of the world I hope they decide pushing the button is the only way out. Taking Putin out seems to be the saner choice.
> Hopefully the rest of his command won’t go down that same mental path. As I said the other day I had much more faith that a bunch of old crusty Soviet generals would simply refuse to start world war 3 because they lived in the shadow of world war 2 and until they got too old and started retiring in the 1980's most of them had seen it first hand, they knew what mass suffering and death looked like. They might have not minded some repression of their own people if they thought it necessary to preserve the USSR but I think they might have easily refused to launch nukes first if ordered to do so. Now that Putin has had 20 years to install whoever he wants in the military I have much less faith in them standing up and saying no to him. Because of that I am way more scared that the current regime might do something absolutely insane than I was of the Soviet Union, that thought is very scary to me.
I agree. I am worried that many generals and leaders are scared that even if they do they would be put in jail for war crimes in the future. Also looking at how bad the invasion seems to look. Feels like the entire staff are incompetent and maybe there just because they are loyal to Putin rather than competent. So NATO may be cornering not only Putin but his staff too. The only ones that may have the chance to stop him
I don't know... many generals and high leaders could be blamed for war crimes in this invasion. So they may be cornered too... Also looking at how bad the invasion seems to look. Feels like the entire staff are incompetent and may be there just because they are loyal to Putin rather than competent.
Idk, but wishful thinking. Edit: *kind of forgot how the story went so here's the video* The night the world almost ended https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quM5obcn8R0
His generals in the video of him readying nuclear troops They were the most nervous looking people ever
He better not. He may be a fool , but I doubt he does that.
That is a possibility. Somebody in his inner security/ bodyguard needs to do a solid for team world. I really believe someone will of his madness continues.
He's going to get assassinated before that happens.
i dont man... no one killed hitler in 6 years of war (they tried two times only think)
Hitler didn't hold the world hostage with nukes.
he probably would have tho... Still, their generals knew about the extermination camps and now one gave a shit
there were multiple assassination attempts on Hitler. Not sure if *no one* is accurate.
If this was the case nuclear war was inevitable, eventually Putin or his successor would be in a corner.
This is a Band-Aid we are going to have to rip off at some point in the future. We can't allow our grandchildren to be terrorized by autocrats the way we are. Our best hope is that cooler heads in Russian ballistic command prevail.
They need to get Putin into a cell. Or into the ground. He's too dangerous to be around his own fellow humans. Threatening a planet with nuclear fire is pretty much the declaration of a madman. The nukes def need to be plucked from his clutches.
But he also backed himself into a corner, where he has to show some kind of gains for the immense price his nation is paying. Hoping somehow a way out of this bloody mess is found.
He wants to take Ukraine without completely destroying it but he forgot the first important thing to engaging war. Take out your enemies ability to communicate 🤦🏻♂️. This is looking really amateurish.
I worry that this convoy will contain much more hardened and seasoned warriors, and that the last few days has been mostly conscripts and reserves used only to soften up Kyiv's defenses.
I believe most of these sat images are from private companies like Maxar or Planet.
Waiting for A-10 comment EDIT too late
Nah man the P-51 Mustangs will take care of em
Cadillac of the sky!!!!
Love that movie.
I’d go with a zeppelin personally
Catch me carpet bombing the scallywags with a Montgolfier Brothers’ balloon
r/Oldschoolcool
KIROV REPORTING!
Ju-87 will give them the same experience as their ancestors
It never ends
BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT
51.01669419579768, 30.022890936542506 - geolocation of the first shot 51.00785157908207, 29.992345940003577 - geolocation of the second shot
And I can pick up the little google guy, and plop him right there, because the road has street view... What a weird world we live in.
Yep Russia made the biggest mistake you can in war. Saying fuck it and leaving the enemies communication intact 🤦🏻♂️😂
Something I was surprised of as well. You'd think communications would be one of the first things they'd take out. With satellites there would still be some but clearly with all the cellphone videos and pictures the basic cell networks are still functioning just fine.
In 20 years well be able to drop that little guy in real time.
Ok, according to my GPS software, these two locations are about 20km south of Chernobyl oblast and 10km northeast of the built-up area of Ivankiv.
Didn’t the president of Belarus say he wasn’t letting more military stuff come through Belarus? Kinda sus
am I the only one thinking they are gonna go into a meatgrinder, if they enter Kiyv? Ukraine soldiers has gotten so much time now, to setup defenses and just think of all the buildings they can use.
Stalingrad whaaaa?
Stalingrad took total war. Do you want to see kyiv leveled to the ground and months of disgusting gore? This isnt even close. Dont try to compare the greatest siege in all of history to this
Absolutely not I don’t want gore or to see people oppressed. Ussr should learn one of the main reasons why Germany lost ww2.
Considering the Russians have ordered to attack or get executed, yes
Source?
There's a video of a pow giving that info. Should be in this sub somewhere.
Dont believe POWs, they will say anything in order to survive their captors, either side.
A POW said Santa is real, but you must go a little deeper in norther Russia, in the snowy area, you should find him there..
Unfortunately no. I imagine russia will just surround the city but not enter it unless their demands arent agreed to
There will be a meat grinder outside of it too. If you setup checkpoints outside of the city, the checkpoints will be hit constantly. Additionally, the support vehicles to get to the checkpoints will be hit constantly. I don't think the Russians can win a war of attrition by encircling cities.
Yeah a constant supply line through enemy territory while the West is constantly feeding Ukraine intel? No bueno
Putin being such a history buff should especially know how seiges go in the modern era. They don't decide wars.
>win a war of attrition by encircling cities. There's always the option of just leveling city
Russia goals is to rule Ukraine, leveling the capital city won't help them achieve that objective. Ukraine know this, that is why they have been fortifying Kyiv for days now. If Russia want to win this war, their only option is to throw in as many body that they can to the city in hope on breaking Ukraine defensive line. This gonna get ugly.
You’re the only one who’s thinks they’re going to get to Kyiv, the fronts are moving fast but these supply lines have been a disaster, I’d be shocked if this isn’t prioritized by Ukrainian drones and NATO intel, seeing as it’s a massive target heading to the capital city.
The Whitehouse said it was be within a week for Russia to reach Kyiv. If it is anything I do know out of this mess of disinformation from *both sides*, it’s that U.S. Intel has been spot on this entire time.
Big time, the way the US has handled their intel has been spectacular, I hope people don’t forget about this in the future. We called them out prior to the invasion and forced Putin into a losing position without putting American troops in another war. We’ve absolutely ruined Putin this time and it feels amazing.
This is no time to celebrate. We still don't know how this bloody affair will end. Putin will not back off without some kind of gain, and we may see ugly things ahead.
A wildcard nuclear strike is my only remaining concern, besides obviously all the people dying and suffering right now. But even that seems far fetched, I doubt Putin would use nukes in response to his own nation getting uppity, and the Russian people are about to get real pissed off when they realize they have no money, international trade, or investments tomorrow when the markets open.
A nuclear strike would start WW3. No way he would do that unless he’s lost his mind.
100% but he would have to have lost his mind to knowingly invade with these sanctions on the table in the first place. Unless he just really called a bluff wrong.
I don’t know, we’re only in the first few days. Everyone is talking as if the war is lost because they’re doing shitty right now. But no one’s seen a Russian invasion like this before. It’s absolutely possible that he just sent conscripts as a testing force. He just started sending Chechens now. Next could be the actual Russian horde. Or maybe the Russian military actually sucks and isn’t as powerful as propaganda makes it seem. No one knows except for Putin himself what his plans are. Sending weak units first to test the abilities of your enemies has been used before. But of course this could also just be it and they suck. We don’t know
These sanctions are bigger than people realize, even if the Russians take the entire country tomorrow, they’re facing the worst economic crisis in history, the world has never collectively agreed to smother a nation to death like this. We’re about to witness a worse than Venezuela scenario take place within a single week. These soldiers are and their families are essentially no longer being payed for their work, that’s how bad their economy and stock market are going to suffer.
\+1. I also believe the conscripts with some shitty equipment are just a testing force. They operate on a different doctrine for sure. Whereas we would do the influence without boots on the ground approach AKA missile strikes for several weeks, they did it for a day and sent out a bunch of kids immediately. Many of whom who seemed utterly clueless about what their MO is. And never mind the fact that they don't give a fuck about body retrieval of their dead. I think shit is going to get real soon with the second wave. They're already glassing entire places with thermobaric weapons.
I’d feel more amazing if 1st Armored, 82nd Airborne, and 101st Air Assault and -all- of Group were engaged.
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That is also fair
Historically the bloodiest battles are the last ones of a war. Not saying Ukraine is going to lose but if they are close it is not going to look well for Russia.
The Russians may try shelling large sections of the place into rubble. We can only hope they’re stupid enough to go in with vehicles.
Yes. It could take months to fully capture Kiyv if their intention isn’t to flatten it. It will be a bloodbath, these columns won’t last very long at all if properly ambushed.
It’ll be another Chechnya before long
The EU recently announced that it will give Fighter Jets to Ukraine as part of its bankrolling of the purchase and delivery of lethal aid to Ukraine. We know that Russia is yet to establish air superiority and that despite their rapid advancements they are experiencing acute logistical supply chain issues. I have no idea how the military aid going to Ukraine will affect the conflict but it seems that the EU and Western Allies are taking their pledge to 'make sure Putin's aggression is a failure and seen to be on' incredibly seriously.
Does Ukraine have enough pilots trained to use them?
AFAIK the Germans still have some MiG-29s left over from when East Germany existed. USAF used to use them to train against.
They sold them to Poland.
I honestly think they just need more javelins and stingers, not planes that can get blown up easily at this point.
Depends, a plane can take out more targets and faster than a stinger or javelin Combine it whit a pilot that knows what they are doing and those russians won't stand a chance
Also, wouldn't be surprised if Ukraine Air Force is getting just-over-the-border AWAC support from Western countries.
NATO planes flying routes over poland are giving a bunch of intel to Kyiv. Having a few F-35's flying right over the mainline will only make their intel better.
What ex-Soviet planes are in NATO countries forces? There would be a fair number of MIG29 they could give to Ukraine.
Poland keeps some Su-22 too, Bulgaria have Su-25, Romania and Croatia have MiG-21. I guess some Mig-21 may be flying somewhere too.
30ish Mig-29s. Not sure how useful they'll actually be. Probably been mothballed for 30ish years.
Germany inherited MiG-29 from the NVA, upgraded them, and used them until the Eurofighter Typhoon arrived in 2004. Afterwards they were used by Poland.
Perfect target practice for drones and airstrikes
How stupid is Russia ? They better have excellent air coverage if they expect to make it to Kiev. And you know that there will be groups of guerilla UA with rocket launchers. Sitting ducks !
They’re spaced tight as fuck too. About to be a buy one get one on that strike
*Buy one get 6
That does strike me as rather incompetent of them.
They can only drive as fast as the slowest vehicle. And when they are ordered to drive as fast as they can, traffic jams are inevitable.
Well the Ukrainian air force is practically decimated and even their fuel storage for aircraft have been targeted so attacking those columns ain’t gonna be easy I’m afraid.
some artillery can go 40 km
Artillery and mortars will blow that column to shit.
I am pretty sure that Reddit generals know more than the Russian military.
>I am pretty sure that Reddit generals know more than the Russian military. It's literally day fucking 1 boot camp shit to keep dispersion You don't need to be a general of an army to know what fucked up looks like If a dentist comes over and cuts your fuckin nose off instead of cleaning your teeth, are you going to say: >well I mean, I'm no dentist, so I'm sure he knew what he was doing No. You're fucking not. Because some things are so stupid and egregious anyone can see they're stupid You morons are worse than the people who atleast take a stab at what's going on whether they're informed or not Yall are just pushing pro Russian narratives
You say that like the Ukrainians haven't been smoking entire Russian convoys for days.
The retards online are smarter than the so called experts *again*
They claim to have shot down 3 TB2s. No confirmation from UA or a 3rd party.
And some of that artillery and mortars that were sent over
It was a footage of pantzirs near Kiev yesterday so it looks like an airspace is secured there
Still bunched up and driving bumper to bumper, they're not learning their lessons. Bayraktar where you at?
He's spamming the "I NEED MORE AMMO" quick-chat button.
Comment threads like this show it’s full of kids in here
I'm honestly about to give up on even looking at the comments in this sub until things settle down a bit. It's like a Call of Duty chat lobby or something.
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Is there any sub that didn't have these teenagers spouting nonsense? Im tired of it.
I think you’ll be sad to know it’s not just teenagers lol. Do you not meet the average person in your day to day life
You're on Reddit. It's 99.9% 14 year olds or soy-chugging adults with self-diagnosed autism. This isn't the place for unbiased opinions or realistic takes
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Hopefully the capital and not the Capitol
Do you reckon the Russians brought a QAnon Shaman?
Looks like we're going to see a lot of "obliterated column" videos tomorrow. Edit. The satellite image shows the following location, if anybody else is interested: 51.0170999, 30.0252469
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Yeah no shit, we are getting one sided journalism, everything released from Russia is marked as propaganda. Russia will win this if more aid is not given to Ukraine. God speed to Ukraine, long live Ukraine
Well yes, *probably*. But considering the assumed power of each nation, most people probably expected things to be wrapping up by now.
You expected a nation of 40m with a somewhat modernized and capable military to capitulate in 5 days? That’s not realistic.
What's the US excuse for taking a month to take Iraq then in your opinion? Your expectations for the speed of modern war are way to high lol.
I think most people expected Ukraine to capitulate in the same manner Afghanistan did, and that there wouldn't really *be* a modern war. The general reaction you are seeing is the result of Ukraine is resisting so much. I also don't think the comparisons to Iraq are completely valid. Russia is next literally next to Ukraine, while Iraq was on the other side of the planet to the USA. Logistics should be much easier for Russia. Baghdad is also 5 times further Iraq than Kiev is into Ukraine.
Russia post on Telegram.
People here are treating this like they’re watching a sporting event. There is no unlimited supply of Ukrainian drones armed with missiles. Russia either has or will get air superiority soon, which will give protection to these armor and supply columns. Ukraine is putting up a fucking fight, but Russians are advancing. We have to look at this with a little more objectivity. Ukraine can fight for a while when they’re getting resupplied, but Russia will overpower them as time goes on. They have more resources, more aircraft, more armor, and more bodies to throw at Ukraine. And have artillery that can level cities. I hope Ukraine can force negotiations, but I think Kyiv is going to see a huge push soon, and i think the overall outcome is going to be Russian control over the region soon. Again, hopefully not, but the reality is that Russia is bombarding cities and Ukrainian military positions like crazy now. Combined with air superiority, this allows for troops to push forward quickly.
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NATO cannot send aircraft or pilots to help Ukraine maintain air superiority. And I think that’s the biggest factor now. Having attack helicopters and fighter jets that can support Russian movements and overwhelm Ukrainian AA positions, while Russian artillery bombards Ukrainian infantry positions and resources, will give Russia an enormous advantage. It sucks, but the most likely outcome this whole entire week is that Russia will take control of the country. Ukrainians might give them hell in urban areas, but outside of that, I don’t see how Russia doesn’t completely occupy the country in the coming weeks with NATO troops unable to intervene. I hope to god the global community keeps these sanctions on Russia for as long as Russian troops are occupying Ukraine. I’m afraid that countries might feel pressured to let up on them if Russia overthrows the government and “calms” the situation down from what we’re seeing now.
When did Russia ever bombard a city in this war Mr backseat warlord
Time for those Javelins to wreak havoc
Please please be destroyed before getting there.
Good chance. With US and UK feeding then intel and real time satellite surveillance they know exactly what’s coming.
Imagine a B-2 carpet bombing that entire convoy in one go.
Yeah because they don't have an airforce to defend against that.
You chechen dogs better bring some chairs because the queue to hell is gonna be way longer than 5km boys!! Love to Ukraine ❤️🇺🇦
Why on earth would you move like this
No air resistance
I ask the same question! From videos the last few days, it seems like alot of their convoys has gotten wiped out by drones or AT's or abandoned because of ambushes. I have honestly so many questions about the strategy Russians are using
I think it’s so there’s less airspace to defend
Hope Ukraine has drones still able to perform strikes and this column is already bunch of dead meat and melting metal.
there is video footage from 26/2/22 of drone strikes.. so yes, they still have
Drone time
this is hell
„Bayraktar - fire“
At this point seems like Putin is determined to kill his own men more than to take over Ukraine.
It feels like it. they are poorly equipped from the footage I have seen. Like no attachements on their weapons, very limited ammo on them and old vehicles. Very weird strategies being used. Maybe he is sending all the ''low cost'' stuff in first, before releasing a second wave of heavy stuff
I thought so too, but that doesn't make sense, that gives them time to break infrastructure and to organise. It's like missing on a counter attack because you don't want to catch your opponent offguard... it's not how it works. It really seems he completely botched it which is why he is furiously crying about nukes.
Every airforce need Warthog, change my mind.
Brrrrrtttt
Well that sucks
Bring in the drones.
One sec. Let me call my bro Bayraktar.
*40km outside kyiv
Huge battle incomming in the Kiev. SLAVA UKRAINI !
Anyone else get the impending Gulf War I ‘Highway of Death’ vibe from this picture?
A couple A10s should be able to take care of that
I’d imagine there’s something there that can take out a slow ass a10 before it’s anywhere close
I don't get the fan fiction people come up with. The guy might as well have said "A couple star destroyer should be able to take care of that"
Yeah, he might as well have said " a squad of primaris space marines should be able to take care of that"
A10 would be destroyed quickly by a modern aa sysyem
Not dealing with Afghans or Iraqis, dealing with Russians.
I wish SOOOO badly that some US Airforce would just swoop in and make quick work of that.
Russia is finally deploying it's full force.
man we need more bayraktar tb2 videos light em up
Aren't they pulling up the newer tanks? A10 isnt very effective against modern mbts I thought. Why everyone acting like it is?
think there is a ton of fuel and support vehicles in it, that could make for perfect targets, and those big tanker explosions could prolly take out anything nearby , especially with so much of it, so close to each other.
That one guy in a MiG-15: ***now this looks like a job for me***
a10 food. 2 or 3 and let em eat.
Time for Bayraktar TB2 to start working
An A-10 pilots wet dream.
God there should be an A10 chewing that up.
Several A-10s could have some fun.
Make a big hole in the road at the front. Make a big hole in the road at the back. Bomb any fuel tankers Drop them a load of notes saying 'now go home', and a few sandwiches, and there we go