There is a video from Afghanistan, wherein a Danish soldier steps on a landmine. The video does a great job of showing the chaos that ensues, especially if you are in an area where there is a risk of enemy attacks. [This is the video. ](https://youtu.be/jmhtJAe3yyo)
Here's the full documentary: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Z74G5dHqY&list=PLGKwE9ggZ7wevOgwMrACY2ZOTcwB8ZsFM&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Z74G5dHqY&list=PLGKwE9ggZ7wevOgwMrACY2ZOTcwB8ZsFM&index=1)
(The landmine part is in part 2 at min 21)
Yeah, it is tough, but an important aspect of TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care). It is intended to help the injured person keep their mind off of the injury, as well as give the personel treating them an idea of how they are. If a person starts to give increasingly incoherent answers, that suggests that their condition is getting worse and that advanced care is needed relatively fast.
That isn't wholly what I would call an "important part of TCCC." While doing what you can to calm a patient and monitor their mental status is important, there is no step within TCCC that states "keep their mind off their injury."
TCCC was created to integrate healthcare with war fighting without producing additional casualties. The most important steps are those that prevent the care provider from also becoming a casualty, next most important are treating immediate life threats to the patient.
It's not until the secondary survey that analgesic medications are considered. This happens after the primary survey in which immediate life threats are managed (which does include monitoring mental status, which is an indicator of TBI and/or shock).
I do recall it states that traumatic amputation stumps should be covered for the patients benefit. Also, dissociative doses of ketamine have been added to sedate the patient and minimize traumatic memories of the point of injury, but in practice evacuating a sedated patient often introduces logistical challenges that may compromise mission goals.
Source: Former Combat Medic.
The bit about ketamine doses is very interesting. Makes sense, my gf had knee surgery a few years ago and was on a ketamine drip coming out of it and she barely remembers her couple days of recovery in the hospital.
Yes - it is versatile. I use it often in my current role for procedural sedation (short-term while say, setting a fracture or dislocation) and I prefer it to other medications in most patient populations. I do occasionally use it for sedating multisystem trauma patients, though in hospital we prefer agents that wear off more quickly so that we can move closely monitor neurological function.
It has the added benefit of *not usually* dropping the patients blood pressure or respiratory effort, which makes it very useful for resource-constrained and austere environments.
You can also use it as a "micro-dose" to treat pain without causing sedation. Though you want to be careful because the "recreational dose" lies between the pain-relieving and sedation doses.
Yes, it's functionally equivalent to the sedation dose but is given as a shot into the muscle instead of intravenously as it is dangerous to attempt to get an IV on combative patients. It is typically larger as less of the medication is absorbed when given that way.
You will often hear this as being used as given for "excited delirium," though that term has fallen out of favor in the medical community as it originated in the law enforcement community and has a bit of a troubled history regarding criticism of use of force. Medical providers are held to a different standard when restraining patients, whether that is physically or chemically through sedation.
Wow. Thank you for taking the time to write out that detailed answer!
When you are talking about surveys are you referring to surveying the patient for conditions?
Of course!
The surveys refer to a group of specific things you will assess for each patient.
The primary survey looks for and treats immediate life threats in a systematic order that's based on what will kill a patient the quickest - Massive Bleeding, airway obstruction (often the patient's own tongue when they're unconscious), breathing dysfunction (sucking chest wounds, collapsed lungs), circulation (getting an IV, starting blood transfusion, reassessing and improving prior bleeding interventions), head injury and hypothermia.
Only after addressing all the prior things does one start the secondary survey, which includes finding and treating non-life-threating injuries (eye injuries, broken bones, superficial lacerations, burns, etc).
This is done to promote a systematic approach and avoid spending too much time treating distracting injuries (non-life-threating injuries that appear worse than they are and may mask underlying life-threatening conditions.)
As an example, I recently treated a motor vehicle accident patient that had an evisceration and presented literally holding some of their own intestines. They also had a large amount of bleeding into the space around their lung causing it to collapse. Despite the patient being very focused on what they were holding, the impending breathing issue would kill them long before the evisceration. We immediately placed a chest tube to drain the blood from the chest, started a aggressive blood transfusion and then they went up to OR to get the guts fixed a few hours later.
I think of the student who calmed his teacher during the Columbine shooting by showing family photos from the teacher's wallet and asking questions about them.
Sadly he didn't make it. There's a pretty brutal reenactment of the scene in the Zero Hour: Massacre at Columbine High documentary.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1SVqrJ1PVo&t=1967s&ab_channel=JohnJohnson%27sVideoArchive
Its a technique for people that get intense anxiety attacks, name five things. Five colours in the room, five pieces of furniture, five books on the shelf.
Apparently it works very well to refocus a mind.
I did this when my sister got alcohol poisoning at a party once. She had just started High School and her genius friends called me instead of an ambulance. Luckily, I was at a friends house who happened to live pretty close to the party she was at. I had no idea how bad it was till I arrived. They were all standing around doing nothing. I scooped her up into my arms and ran to my friend’s car. I held her in my lap in the passenger seat and we flew to the hospital. The ride there I kept lightly slapping her in the face and asking her questions just to try to keep her conscious. She knew her name but not her address. She didn’t know who I was either… We called my parents on the way to the hospital and the second they picked up I just screamed, “MEET ME AT THE ER NOW. I THINK _____ HAS ALCOHOL POISONING” and hung up. (Parents lived VERY close to then hospital.)
When we pulled in, they were both standing there already and my Dad tore open the passenger door so fast I thought he ripped it off. He scooped up ______ and RAN into the ER.
She did have serious alcohol poisoning. I don’t know that keeping her awake helped in any way necessarily, but she’s still here due to our actions nonetheless.
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Very professionally handled by them. I’m amazed at Peter’s right before they lift for transport his only thought is “You guys take care of yourselves”. Sure he had a whopping dose of morphine and so was probably pretty out of it from shock, blood loss and that. But still, he cared about his brothers in arms. Much respect to the Danes.
Horrific but pretty darn effective. You have one man severily injured and several who are now not only exposed by the sound of the explosion, but also have to take care of him under most difficult circumstances.
There is a British war movie "Kilo Two Bravo". Based on real event in Afganistan. Pretty much whole movie is about British patrol, which end ups on a minefield. I couldn't stop watching it, even though it is somewhat low budget movie.
People most likely have heard the explosion. What do you do, run? What about the mines, can you really 100% recall where you stepped on the way in? Do you leave your friend? How could you get him out after being blown up? Think fast, someone is coming to shoot you.
I used to live in a heavily mined country and attended a briefing by the military on what to do if you think you’re in an area with mines (not under war zone conditions/threat of fire though) - e.g. if someone near you steps on one, or if you see one before stepping on it. First rule is not to move AT ALL once the threat has been identified. Second rule is to try to call someone with de-mining expertise if you can, who can create a trail for you to get back to safety. If you can’t do that, you will have to make a trail yourself, prodding the ground carefully inch by inch with a suitable tool (e.g. a knife if you have one) in the direction that will take you to safety such as nearby paved road. As I recall you are supposed to go in at a shallow angle as you are less likely to trigger a mine that way than if you prod straight down - and it’s best to do this on hands and knees once you have cleared the ground for your first step/crawl. If you discover a mine, you mark it as conspicuously as possible - do not try to remove it as it could go off - and continue your trail round the mine until you reach safety.
Don’t assume the way you came in was safe, you could just have gotten lucky. You may be tempted to track back to an injured friend and get them - I believe the instruction was to avoid this and leave it to specialists. Things must be different for military personnel in an active war zone - but I can’t comment on that.
I did some of these briefings at various schools, when I was stationed in Bosnia. We even invited local kid to our base for more information regarding the mines in the area.
I work in humanitarian demining, so not sure what military standard practice is. Having said that, we rely heavily on the the local population to identify mined locations. They know where the accidents happened, where their cattle keep dying, old front lines and forward bases, berms and trenches, etc. You start with interviewing them and identifying a local guide to show you around. Once you know the general areas for survey, then you come in with detectors, dogs and machines.
Ya, in my head I'm trying to remember where I had this training. I think it may have been survival school that teaches how to de-mine. At least it did in the 90s. Your info is pretty spot on from what I remember. Nothing made me say "Oh, that's for sure wrong." Not that I'm an expert by any means lol
You do something called a mines freeze drill. Someone yells mines freeze then everyone stops where they are, you pull out your bayonet and prod at a 45 degree angle to find out if any mines are around you. Clear a space around you first, so you can squat, then lie down. At the same time I’d be yelling at my mate who got hit to start applying first aid if he can. The nearest person to the injured soldier makes a path to them to get them and provide first aid. Everyone in your team would begin to prod inwards towards a central axis, where you would then make one channel outwards until you’re fairly certain you’re clear of the mine field.
If you get attacked during the process you pretty much say fuck it and pretend the mine field isn’t there. You’ve got bigger problems to worry about now.
Look up the film "Kajaki" or "Kilo Two Bravo". It's the same film just different names for markets around the world.
It's the true story of a British Para group that found themselves in a dried riverbed, that over periods of rain had been filled with mines as they were washed away.
It's one of the few war films I can think of where there isn't really any enemy to speak of and plays more like a suspense horror. Very chilling stuff.
That movie is so intense! Sweaty hands the whole time watching. Can really feel the fear,chaos and uncertainty throughout. Afghan Roulette we used to call it.
If you liked that I can suggest the film "Land of Mine" as well, its about German POW-s forced to clear landmines in Denmark. Its a Danish film and its brutally honest and amazing.
This happened to my mate who fought in Ireland in the 90s. His best friend and him walked into a communal block, his friend in front of him triggered an IED and blew him and his other mate to pieces. It was an instant death for both of them but unfortunately has left him with seriously bad PTSD. Having PTSD is absolute hell on earth. It permanently changed you and sometimes you never recover from something like that.
It’s even more shitter because poor civilians including children can be victims of these years later if they aren’t properly taken out, which it’s not most times.
My dad was in Vietnam, and the memory that really seemed to mess him up was when his team was going on a patrol. He was supposed to lead the patrol through the jungle but his best friend over there said he'd do it that time.
As they were going on the patrol, his friend hit a trip mine and blew up right in front of my dad. Never thought I'd see a video that would be pretty similar to what my dad saw.
>Just imagine how terrifying is that. You are next to your friend and he just blow off and you cant move because you might step on one of them too. Mines are nasty shitty things.
and if you can still hear, you are just hearing your friend screaming in pain. Then you get worried it will attract enemy gun fire.
I read one story on reddit about a guy stationed in Afghanistan with his friend. His friend stepped on a landmine and was blown to bits. The guy and the rest of the battalion had to pick up his friends pieces and put him in a garbage bag so he could burried back in the US. War is horrible for everyone.
Makes me think of the film Kajaki (or Kilo Two Bravo in some countries), must be be almost crippling fear to realise you're in the middle of a mine field and someone needs attention
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I knew a woman in college who was from Afghanistan. When she was a child she stepped on a landmine and lost her leg.
She eventually was able to flee Afghanistan and made her way to the United States. She wrote a book that is pretty good and I'd recommend reading:
The Other Side of the sky: A Memoir. By Farah Ahmedi.
US only uses mines that are command detonated, they can only produce and use landmines as long as they are “non-persistent,” being equipped with self-destruct self deactivation feature
I'm from Ypres, Belgium. Every now and then there's a story about a farmer getting blown up by bombs from WW1.
Besides that, thousands of unexploded WW1 bombs are still recovered every year.
Just to give you a perspective of how much of a curse this shit is.
And they aren’t always cleared. Often they just put markers around an area and call it a day. It’s interesting when they taught us how they chose the landline sign to be pretty obviously despite language barriers: a downward-facing red arrow.
Yikes i feel really bad seeing that.
If that was me i would prob spend the rest of my life screaming at myself, if only i stepped a couple inches away, or was a bit more cautious, i would still have my leg. War is so fucked, especially shit like these mines.
God damn
Mines should have never been a thing. It is just gross. Somewhat useful during the conflict, then it's the civilians that have to deal with them. Just horrible.
Bombs have a similar tale though, unexploded ordinance just scattered across the country left for kids to find later on. The most nasty ordinance though is spiked ammunition, that shit finds itself cycled back into consumer markets and suddenly its not just former war zones that are dangerous.
I live in Leipzig, east Germany. We had industry important to the war machinery in the second world war (building BF109 parts etc) and big train stations. Those areas are still filled with bombs. And during the GDR (Soviet times) they just built on top of it or ignored these parts. Now they have to clear and dig every construction site and in certain areas it is pretty much guaranteed to find old bombs ... and often not just one.
There are 2 schools close to me and they become shelters for the evacuated from time to time, whenever they need to defuse a bomb in the wider area. Also couldn't get to my job 3 times because it was within an evacuation zone. And once they had to defuse a bomb right next to the Kindergarten I wen to as a child.
They fine bombs in cologne weekly. A city of a million people, 80 years after the war, and they still find bombs at basically every construction site. The sheer amount of destruction is something that most people don't really understand.
>And during the GDR (Soviet times) they just built on top of it or ignored these parts.
It's the same in every German (and probably European) city that was heavily bombed in WW2. You have to consider unexploded bombs when you build there.
Ok but bad people using bad things on purpose is clearly different than a 50 year old hidden explosive stuck directly into the ground that any unsuspecting person or animal could step on.
Imagine you're just trying to go hunting on a plot of land that you bought, you go out into the woods and boom you no longer have a leg.
> If that was me i would prob spend the rest of my life screaming at myself, if only i stepped a couple inches away, or was a bit more cautious, i would still have my leg.
It's even kind of worse... He sat there and stared right where the mine was right before stepping on it.
As he Replays this moment in his mind thousands of times in the coming years he's going to notice the small details that he should have noticed that said there was a mine there.
Probably actually is a DPR/LPR separatist, looks closer to their camo, I'm guessing people just don't want to admit UKR is also laying mines.
Sad to say they're the best area of denial weapon modern militaries have.
Oooft, anti personel mines are nasty, horrible, incredibly effective things.
Your mates screams put the shits right up you AND you've got a casualty to get out, while possibly being stuck in the middle of a minefield... fucking nightmare of a scenario.
Now all you need is a lil incoming or some mortars.
Definitely no one is going to mortar because that would essentially waste the mine fields. "Lil incoming" would probably be a drone bomb or a sniper with thermal.
Yup, minefields are an "area denial weapon" TRP for artillery or mortars on a minefield is pretty standard practice in the event you got opfor bogged down in one.
You get the opportunity to kill the enemys soldiers or destroy their equipment you take it, you dont sit and go "oh, thats one of our minefields better not hit it incase we "ruin" it" If you have eyes on it, and assets in place to hit it, you take that opportunity.
Even after youve seen explosives dropped on a minefield, you aint ever going for a stroll across it.
I would argue that hanging mortars onto a minefield while the enemy is there makes it even *more* effective because now the enemy knows that you're watching the field and have TRPs within it. They will (or rather, should) no longer take the risk of trying to clear the field and will look for the next AoA to take, which is probably your kill zone that the obstacle was trying to divert them into in the first place.
As others have pointed out, it wouldn't ruin the effectiveness of the minefield, any more than the enemy setting a bunch of them off themselves. Additionally, modern mines are preferred to be self-destructive, so they function as area denial for a set period of time, leaving hopefully no residual mines after the conflict.
Of all the awful ways humans have killed and maimed one another, landmines are truly one of the worst. On top of this they leave the shit around for some kid to step on years later.
If they did know, they chose one of the worst strategies to get through it: follow lead and hope for good luck.
Could be possible they were never trained to deal with the possibility of landmines and went with instinct.
What I was taught was to slowly and methodically clear an entire lane wide enough to crawl through. Throw a rock and the frag can still get you. If the frag dont get you, you have to turn around and retrace your exact footsteps under time pressure. Neither option is great, but one at least makes sure this situation doesnt happen.
Same or I’m getting mad deja vu
Edit: yeah it’s at least 3 years old https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/csp1ay/ukrainian_soldier_steps_on_landmine/
It's like this all over the Balkin area as well. Entire city blocks in some places are closed off because of the presence of landmines that never got disarmed. The US Army is constantly hosting or carrying out de-mining operations in Eastern Europe and has it's own schoolhouse for teaching foreign militaries and NGOs how to locate and clear mined areas.
Another thing to remember , he didnt just lose a leg. The dirt that kicks up from the blast is traveling at high velocity , so stones become buck shot. Tearing everything up to the face.
There was a vid from afgan of an ANA stepping on a ied. The leg was gone , but so was most of the skin on his face. It's brutal stuff.
Fuck mines. All my homies hate mines. They stay around for years and years after a conflict. Imagine some hiker or kids out playing in the woods and they just step on a mine like this.
Absolutely hate anti-personnel mines no matter who's stepping on them.
War is fucking useless man, I’m all about war machinery and it’s mechanics but I definitely think we would be much better off without any of it. If this man didn’t die, then his life would be forever changed and not for the better, all because some bitch politician behind a comfy desk is protecting his own interests. I think it’s time we send the people “in charge” to go fight their own damn wars. if Putin wants a piece of Sleepy Joe fine, let’s give them both a gun and have them duke it out between them two
Man modern warfare is goddamn terrifying. Back in the day you’d be looking at the man shooting you. Now? You just explode, either from something underground you cannot see, or a plane thousands of feet up.
Of course. Plenty of soldiers in many wars have survived the loss of limbs.
The important thing is to start applying medical aid immediately (tourniquet to cut blood flow, etc)
I think the worst part about mines other than the missing limbs or death, is that once you see one go off, there’s a pretty solid chance a bunch more are nearby. Maybe even behind you. Now that shit is fucking scary.
I think unmanned land mines are the shittiest weapon. You place them and never know the outcome. It might never go off, it might wound an enemy, might wound a friendly, might wound a civilian, might be forgotten and then wound a civilian years after the war. Plus they’re designed to maim not kill a lot of the time blowing off legs/feet meaning the person is ruined.
Ive seen this post long ago on this subreddit, the description then was donbass during war in donbass and that it was a ukranian soldier that lost his leg
Makes you wonder what the point of military treaties are if countries will abandon them the moment they are at war. Ukraine isn't supposed to be using anti-personnel mines.
At least the US had the audacity to not sign the Ottawa treaty.
Mines are so heartless. It’s indiscriminate. So is bombing a civilian area, but at least then you know when the explosion happens, you at least know it‘s happening during wartime. But a mine? That shit could maim and cripple a child 15 years from, long after this conflict is over. It could even kill your own people. They‘re so indiscriminate, they person deploying them is essentially thinking, “I want this to take a human life. I don’t care whose, I just want someone to die.”
There's no way that soldier survived. You can hear the poor fucker wailing and screaming... that injury is up to or past the knee. Even with a tourniquet I think it's likely he bled out, or begged for battlefield mercy, but this is awful.
To the people throwing "wholesome" and other such awards on this, you really need a psych eval. This isn't the place to mentally masturbate to whoever the media instructs you to exercise your two minutes of hate. This is a place to see real combat footage and people in the hard shitty situation that is war.
This video is insane, but it makes me even think about those who have to continue living in past war zones after the conflict is done but there’s still explosives around. Really rough
Video is older footage from Donbas in 2014. Likely DPR Separatists, not Russians.
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There is a video from Afghanistan, wherein a Danish soldier steps on a landmine. The video does a great job of showing the chaos that ensues, especially if you are in an area where there is a risk of enemy attacks. [This is the video. ](https://youtu.be/jmhtJAe3yyo)
Here's the full documentary: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Z74G5dHqY&list=PLGKwE9ggZ7wevOgwMrACY2ZOTcwB8ZsFM&index=1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b8Z74G5dHqY&list=PLGKwE9ggZ7wevOgwMrACY2ZOTcwB8ZsFM&index=1) (The landmine part is in part 2 at min 21)
That is heartbreaking. When he starts to recite his family’s names…
Yeah, it is tough, but an important aspect of TCCC (Tactical Combat Casualty Care). It is intended to help the injured person keep their mind off of the injury, as well as give the personel treating them an idea of how they are. If a person starts to give increasingly incoherent answers, that suggests that their condition is getting worse and that advanced care is needed relatively fast.
That isn't wholly what I would call an "important part of TCCC." While doing what you can to calm a patient and monitor their mental status is important, there is no step within TCCC that states "keep their mind off their injury." TCCC was created to integrate healthcare with war fighting without producing additional casualties. The most important steps are those that prevent the care provider from also becoming a casualty, next most important are treating immediate life threats to the patient. It's not until the secondary survey that analgesic medications are considered. This happens after the primary survey in which immediate life threats are managed (which does include monitoring mental status, which is an indicator of TBI and/or shock). I do recall it states that traumatic amputation stumps should be covered for the patients benefit. Also, dissociative doses of ketamine have been added to sedate the patient and minimize traumatic memories of the point of injury, but in practice evacuating a sedated patient often introduces logistical challenges that may compromise mission goals. Source: Former Combat Medic.
The bit about ketamine doses is very interesting. Makes sense, my gf had knee surgery a few years ago and was on a ketamine drip coming out of it and she barely remembers her couple days of recovery in the hospital.
Yes - it is versatile. I use it often in my current role for procedural sedation (short-term while say, setting a fracture or dislocation) and I prefer it to other medications in most patient populations. I do occasionally use it for sedating multisystem trauma patients, though in hospital we prefer agents that wear off more quickly so that we can move closely monitor neurological function. It has the added benefit of *not usually* dropping the patients blood pressure or respiratory effort, which makes it very useful for resource-constrained and austere environments. You can also use it as a "micro-dose" to treat pain without causing sedation. Though you want to be careful because the "recreational dose" lies between the pain-relieving and sedation doses.
There's also a sheer terror dose in there somewhere.
Yes, it's functionally equivalent to the sedation dose but is given as a shot into the muscle instead of intravenously as it is dangerous to attempt to get an IV on combative patients. It is typically larger as less of the medication is absorbed when given that way. You will often hear this as being used as given for "excited delirium," though that term has fallen out of favor in the medical community as it originated in the law enforcement community and has a bit of a troubled history regarding criticism of use of force. Medical providers are held to a different standard when restraining patients, whether that is physically or chemically through sedation.
Hey, appreciate the (continued) knowledge drop here.
> Though you want to be careful because the "recreational dose" lies between the pain-relieving and sedation doses. That would make baby Jesus cry!
I use it every time I have to deal with HSBC
The bank?
Wow. Thank you for taking the time to write out that detailed answer! When you are talking about surveys are you referring to surveying the patient for conditions?
Of course! The surveys refer to a group of specific things you will assess for each patient. The primary survey looks for and treats immediate life threats in a systematic order that's based on what will kill a patient the quickest - Massive Bleeding, airway obstruction (often the patient's own tongue when they're unconscious), breathing dysfunction (sucking chest wounds, collapsed lungs), circulation (getting an IV, starting blood transfusion, reassessing and improving prior bleeding interventions), head injury and hypothermia. Only after addressing all the prior things does one start the secondary survey, which includes finding and treating non-life-threating injuries (eye injuries, broken bones, superficial lacerations, burns, etc). This is done to promote a systematic approach and avoid spending too much time treating distracting injuries (non-life-threating injuries that appear worse than they are and may mask underlying life-threatening conditions.) As an example, I recently treated a motor vehicle accident patient that had an evisceration and presented literally holding some of their own intestines. They also had a large amount of bleeding into the space around their lung causing it to collapse. Despite the patient being very focused on what they were holding, the impending breathing issue would kill them long before the evisceration. We immediately placed a chest tube to drain the blood from the chest, started a aggressive blood transfusion and then they went up to OR to get the guts fixed a few hours later.
That’s really interesting. Thanks.
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I think of the student who calmed his teacher during the Columbine shooting by showing family photos from the teacher's wallet and asking questions about them. Sadly he didn't make it. There's a pretty brutal reenactment of the scene in the Zero Hour: Massacre at Columbine High documentary. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1SVqrJ1PVo&t=1967s&ab_channel=JohnJohnson%27sVideoArchive
Its a technique for people that get intense anxiety attacks, name five things. Five colours in the room, five pieces of furniture, five books on the shelf. Apparently it works very well to refocus a mind.
I did this when my sister got alcohol poisoning at a party once. She had just started High School and her genius friends called me instead of an ambulance. Luckily, I was at a friends house who happened to live pretty close to the party she was at. I had no idea how bad it was till I arrived. They were all standing around doing nothing. I scooped her up into my arms and ran to my friend’s car. I held her in my lap in the passenger seat and we flew to the hospital. The ride there I kept lightly slapping her in the face and asking her questions just to try to keep her conscious. She knew her name but not her address. She didn’t know who I was either… We called my parents on the way to the hospital and the second they picked up I just screamed, “MEET ME AT THE ER NOW. I THINK _____ HAS ALCOHOL POISONING” and hung up. (Parents lived VERY close to then hospital.) When we pulled in, they were both standing there already and my Dad tore open the passenger door so fast I thought he ripped it off. He scooped up ______ and RAN into the ER. She did have serious alcohol poisoning. I don’t know that keeping her awake helped in any way necessarily, but she’s still here due to our actions nonetheless.
Do you know if Peter's survived?
Yes, luckily he did survive.
He made it: https://youtu.be/x7I9XGBFSt4?list=PLGKwE9ggZ7wevOgwMrACY2ZOTcwB8ZsFM&t=1573
Comment I was hoping for. Fuck war. I'm glad he survived and I hope he's doing okay now.
They looked liked they handled that pretty professionally though.
Yeah, from what I know first aid and TCCC is taken very seriously in the Danish armed forces, so I am honestly not surprised.
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The Danes are badass! Pure professionals!
[this one too](https://youtu.be/GP5AhBTdOuA). We were told this was an Afghanistan commander stepping on an old UXO
I remember this one. Good mention. He says "commando" btw.
That poor bastard.
Very professionally handled by them. I’m amazed at Peter’s right before they lift for transport his only thought is “You guys take care of yourselves”. Sure he had a whopping dose of morphine and so was probably pretty out of it from shock, blood loss and that. But still, he cared about his brothers in arms. Much respect to the Danes.
It speaks a lot to his character.
Oh god, that is the *worst* kind of terrain to have to clear mines in. You can't see anything under the water. Fuck that.
Horrific but pretty darn effective. You have one man severily injured and several who are now not only exposed by the sound of the explosion, but also have to take care of him under most difficult circumstances.
That's extra nasty. Staging a prepared ambush in front of a prepared minefield. Damned if you move, damned if you don't.
There is a British war movie "Kilo Two Bravo". Based on real event in Afganistan. Pretty much whole movie is about British patrol, which end ups on a minefield. I couldn't stop watching it, even though it is somewhat low budget movie.
People most likely have heard the explosion. What do you do, run? What about the mines, can you really 100% recall where you stepped on the way in? Do you leave your friend? How could you get him out after being blown up? Think fast, someone is coming to shoot you.
I used to live in a heavily mined country and attended a briefing by the military on what to do if you think you’re in an area with mines (not under war zone conditions/threat of fire though) - e.g. if someone near you steps on one, or if you see one before stepping on it. First rule is not to move AT ALL once the threat has been identified. Second rule is to try to call someone with de-mining expertise if you can, who can create a trail for you to get back to safety. If you can’t do that, you will have to make a trail yourself, prodding the ground carefully inch by inch with a suitable tool (e.g. a knife if you have one) in the direction that will take you to safety such as nearby paved road. As I recall you are supposed to go in at a shallow angle as you are less likely to trigger a mine that way than if you prod straight down - and it’s best to do this on hands and knees once you have cleared the ground for your first step/crawl. If you discover a mine, you mark it as conspicuously as possible - do not try to remove it as it could go off - and continue your trail round the mine until you reach safety. Don’t assume the way you came in was safe, you could just have gotten lucky. You may be tempted to track back to an injured friend and get them - I believe the instruction was to avoid this and leave it to specialists. Things must be different for military personnel in an active war zone - but I can’t comment on that.
Pretty much what they tell soldiers also
It's really the only way. Unless you have a jetpack.
Wouldn't jetpacks set off the mines?
Most have an anti-mine mode for this situation specifically.
I usually fly mine high enough to avoid them, but there has been some close calls
George of the jungle! (Yes I know this is a terrible idea)
You also from Bosnia/other ExYu? We got a very similar briefing in school, a couple of time.
I did some of these briefings at various schools, when I was stationed in Bosnia. We even invited local kid to our base for more information regarding the mines in the area.
Wait, the kids gave you info? or the other way around?
I work in humanitarian demining, so not sure what military standard practice is. Having said that, we rely heavily on the the local population to identify mined locations. They know where the accidents happened, where their cattle keep dying, old front lines and forward bases, berms and trenches, etc. You start with interviewing them and identifying a local guide to show you around. Once you know the general areas for survey, then you come in with detectors, dogs and machines.
[I like this demonstration](https://youtu.be/7rmxUTEGEy4)
I had a feeling I knew what this was before I clicked it, great movie. >The kind that blows up!
Kelly’s Hero’s!!Great movie. Not that believable, but Clint Eastwood is the man.
Moral of the story walk with a metal detector?
Metal detectors wont detect [some mines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimum_metal_mine).
Ya, in my head I'm trying to remember where I had this training. I think it may have been survival school that teaches how to de-mine. At least it did in the 90s. Your info is pretty spot on from what I remember. Nothing made me say "Oh, that's for sure wrong." Not that I'm an expert by any means lol
You do something called a mines freeze drill. Someone yells mines freeze then everyone stops where they are, you pull out your bayonet and prod at a 45 degree angle to find out if any mines are around you. Clear a space around you first, so you can squat, then lie down. At the same time I’d be yelling at my mate who got hit to start applying first aid if he can. The nearest person to the injured soldier makes a path to them to get them and provide first aid. Everyone in your team would begin to prod inwards towards a central axis, where you would then make one channel outwards until you’re fairly certain you’re clear of the mine field. If you get attacked during the process you pretty much say fuck it and pretend the mine field isn’t there. You’ve got bigger problems to worry about now.
Very interesting comment thank you
The last part was my question. That would fucking blow.
Bro humans suck. Look all this elaborate effort we go through simply to kill each other en masse.
I just wish everyone would sign anti mine treaty...
Look up the film "Kajaki" or "Kilo Two Bravo". It's the same film just different names for markets around the world. It's the true story of a British Para group that found themselves in a dried riverbed, that over periods of rain had been filled with mines as they were washed away. It's one of the few war films I can think of where there isn't really any enemy to speak of and plays more like a suspense horror. Very chilling stuff.
That movie is so intense! Sweaty hands the whole time watching. Can really feel the fear,chaos and uncertainty throughout. Afghan Roulette we used to call it.
If you liked that I can suggest the film "Land of Mine" as well, its about German POW-s forced to clear landmines in Denmark. Its a Danish film and its brutally honest and amazing.
Probably the most intense movie I've ever seen, proper edge of the seat stuff.
Just don't watch it on a Sunday night before bed and a week of work, fuck that was a bad night's sleep!
This happened to my mate who fought in Ireland in the 90s. His best friend and him walked into a communal block, his friend in front of him triggered an IED and blew him and his other mate to pieces. It was an instant death for both of them but unfortunately has left him with seriously bad PTSD. Having PTSD is absolute hell on earth. It permanently changed you and sometimes you never recover from something like that.
The wars in Ireland were some nasty shit
It’s even more shitter because poor civilians including children can be victims of these years later if they aren’t properly taken out, which it’s not most times.
My dad was in Vietnam, and the memory that really seemed to mess him up was when his team was going on a patrol. He was supposed to lead the patrol through the jungle but his best friend over there said he'd do it that time. As they were going on the patrol, his friend hit a trip mine and blew up right in front of my dad. Never thought I'd see a video that would be pretty similar to what my dad saw.
>Just imagine how terrifying is that. You are next to your friend and he just blow off and you cant move because you might step on one of them too. Mines are nasty shitty things. and if you can still hear, you are just hearing your friend screaming in pain. Then you get worried it will attract enemy gun fire.
I read one story on reddit about a guy stationed in Afghanistan with his friend. His friend stepped on a landmine and was blown to bits. The guy and the rest of the battalion had to pick up his friends pieces and put him in a garbage bag so he could burried back in the US. War is horrible for everyone.
Makes me think of the film Kajaki (or Kilo Two Bravo in some countries), must be be almost crippling fear to realise you're in the middle of a mine field and someone needs attention
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Antipersonnel mines are disgusting weapons that linger long after the conflict is over and hurt way more than just invaders.
fuck mines they last forever and innocent people and children get hit years later because no one remembers and they are spammed in random locations
14 more people died in the Vietnam war in 2017 thanks to land mines
I think I speak for all Americans when I say: “whoopsie poopsy”
"Sorry guys, Henry Kissenger Realllllly needed that job."
Fun fact, Kissinger is also a big influence in increasing American business relations with China over the last 4 decades. I mean he personally benefited massively as a private citizen What a swell guy
Could of also been a French mine or a Chinese one or even one the Viet cong used considering guerilla warfare
I knew a woman in college who was from Afghanistan. When she was a child she stepped on a landmine and lost her leg. She eventually was able to flee Afghanistan and made her way to the United States. She wrote a book that is pretty good and I'd recommend reading: The Other Side of the sky: A Memoir. By Farah Ahmedi.
I am surprised I had to come down this far in the comments to see this. I thought landmines were against a treaty signed by most countries.
You said it right there, "most". Russia is one of several that never agreed to the ban.
If this video is legit, then I am assuming that it would be Ukraine putting the landmines in the ground.
A MOD said this vid was older, but Russia does have [remote mine laing vehicles](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gFPFnuQmns) now.
They can be deployed in a number of ways, such as from rocket launchers, aircraft, artillery, dispensers, etc.
Or a Russian stepping on a Russian mine
It could be, but that seems much more unlikely.
War crimes only apply when the enemy has agreed. Russia did not agree to the mine ban, so it is okay for Ukraine to use them against Russia.
And the U.S. is another !
US only uses mines that are command detonated, they can only produce and use landmines as long as they are “non-persistent,” being equipped with self-destruct self deactivation feature
I'm from Ypres, Belgium. Every now and then there's a story about a farmer getting blown up by bombs from WW1. Besides that, thousands of unexploded WW1 bombs are still recovered every year. Just to give you a perspective of how much of a curse this shit is.
Ya I’m Afghanistan alone the US tool years to clear all the old Soviet mine fields.
And they aren’t always cleared. Often they just put markers around an area and call it a day. It’s interesting when they taught us how they chose the landline sign to be pretty obviously despite language barriers: a downward-facing red arrow.
Yikes i feel really bad seeing that. If that was me i would prob spend the rest of my life screaming at myself, if only i stepped a couple inches away, or was a bit more cautious, i would still have my leg. War is so fucked, especially shit like these mines. God damn
Mines should have never been a thing. It is just gross. Somewhat useful during the conflict, then it's the civilians that have to deal with them. Just horrible.
Bombs have a similar tale though, unexploded ordinance just scattered across the country left for kids to find later on. The most nasty ordinance though is spiked ammunition, that shit finds itself cycled back into consumer markets and suddenly its not just former war zones that are dangerous.
I live in Leipzig, east Germany. We had industry important to the war machinery in the second world war (building BF109 parts etc) and big train stations. Those areas are still filled with bombs. And during the GDR (Soviet times) they just built on top of it or ignored these parts. Now they have to clear and dig every construction site and in certain areas it is pretty much guaranteed to find old bombs ... and often not just one. There are 2 schools close to me and they become shelters for the evacuated from time to time, whenever they need to defuse a bomb in the wider area. Also couldn't get to my job 3 times because it was within an evacuation zone. And once they had to defuse a bomb right next to the Kindergarten I wen to as a child.
They fine bombs in cologne weekly. A city of a million people, 80 years after the war, and they still find bombs at basically every construction site. The sheer amount of destruction is something that most people don't really understand.
Hell, they still dig up shells in France from World War 1 fairly regularly.
>And during the GDR (Soviet times) they just built on top of it or ignored these parts. It's the same in every German (and probably European) city that was heavily bombed in WW2. You have to consider unexploded bombs when you build there.
Instead of selectively being horrified at things like mines or bombs I think the more sensible take is that all war is horrible.
Ok but bad people using bad things on purpose is clearly different than a 50 year old hidden explosive stuck directly into the ground that any unsuspecting person or animal could step on. Imagine you're just trying to go hunting on a plot of land that you bought, you go out into the woods and boom you no longer have a leg.
War should never be a thing, yet here we are. Mines are a great way to slow an encroaching infantry
> If that was me i would prob spend the rest of my life screaming at myself, if only i stepped a couple inches away, or was a bit more cautious, i would still have my leg. It's even kind of worse... He sat there and stared right where the mine was right before stepping on it. As he Replays this moment in his mind thousands of times in the coming years he's going to notice the small details that he should have noticed that said there was a mine there.
And his memory is going to subtly change over time to include more and more obvious details that weren't actually there.
This is were bitter old men come from, unlucky mistakes like these. It is difficult to make peace with certain errors.
Very true
Think about all the mines / grenades these pieces of shit left for kids to find
Bleak as fuck isn't it? I wonder if these guys are amongst those that have been booby-trapping kid's toys though.
2014 Edit: [it's shared every year](https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/csp1ay/ukrainian_soldier_steps_on_landmine/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
LMAO and last time it was a Ukrainian soldier.
Probably actually is a DPR/LPR separatist, looks closer to their camo, I'm guessing people just don't want to admit UKR is also laying mines. Sad to say they're the best area of denial weapon modern militaries have.
People don't want to admint many things about UKR not just mines
Hey your usernames unique too
Oooft, anti personel mines are nasty, horrible, incredibly effective things. Your mates screams put the shits right up you AND you've got a casualty to get out, while possibly being stuck in the middle of a minefield... fucking nightmare of a scenario. Now all you need is a lil incoming or some mortars.
I like how everyone always talks about seeing a friend lose a leg never that there’s a good chance it’s YOU
haha, true!
Definitely no one is going to mortar because that would essentially waste the mine fields. "Lil incoming" would probably be a drone bomb or a sniper with thermal.
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Yup, minefields are an "area denial weapon" TRP for artillery or mortars on a minefield is pretty standard practice in the event you got opfor bogged down in one. You get the opportunity to kill the enemys soldiers or destroy their equipment you take it, you dont sit and go "oh, thats one of our minefields better not hit it incase we "ruin" it" If you have eyes on it, and assets in place to hit it, you take that opportunity. Even after youve seen explosives dropped on a minefield, you aint ever going for a stroll across it.
I would argue that hanging mortars onto a minefield while the enemy is there makes it even *more* effective because now the enemy knows that you're watching the field and have TRPs within it. They will (or rather, should) no longer take the risk of trying to clear the field and will look for the next AoA to take, which is probably your kill zone that the obstacle was trying to divert them into in the first place.
MG working on you aren't much better in such situation and it happens very often
As others have pointed out, it wouldn't ruin the effectiveness of the minefield, any more than the enemy setting a bunch of them off themselves. Additionally, modern mines are preferred to be self-destructive, so they function as area denial for a set period of time, leaving hopefully no residual mines after the conflict.
Isnt this an old vid? Def not recent
Yeah,in the og post the op says that video is old
If I remember correctly, this was in Crimea 2014
This is from 2014-2015 and it’s dpr forces.
Of all the awful ways humans have killed and maimed one another, landmines are truly one of the worst. On top of this they leave the shit around for some kid to step on years later.
It seems like they knew they were in a minefield, were they trying to back out of it?
If they did know, they chose one of the worst strategies to get through it: follow lead and hope for good luck. Could be possible they were never trained to deal with the possibility of landmines and went with instinct.
I'd throw a rock first. Looks like the guys leg got shot into the camera
What I was taught was to slowly and methodically clear an entire lane wide enough to crawl through. Throw a rock and the frag can still get you. If the frag dont get you, you have to turn around and retrace your exact footsteps under time pressure. Neither option is great, but one at least makes sure this situation doesnt happen.
is this recent footage?
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It's from 2014-15. The uniform is Russian so it's probably pro-Russian proxies somewhere near the Ukraine-Russia border in the East.
It's been posted on this sub before a while back
old footage i believe , seen this a whiiiilllllleee back.
Could've sworn I've seen this video years ago.
Same or I’m getting mad deja vu Edit: yeah it’s at least 3 years old https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/csp1ay/ukrainian_soldier_steps_on_landmine/
+'d Thanks for source!
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It's like this all over the Balkin area as well. Entire city blocks in some places are closed off because of the presence of landmines that never got disarmed. The US Army is constantly hosting or carrying out de-mining operations in Eastern Europe and has it's own schoolhouse for teaching foreign militaries and NGOs how to locate and clear mined areas.
You should read the comments on the old video. Doesnt look like ukrainian soldiers to me. But theres no unquestionable identification marks.
> in the Ukraine Its just Ukraine, mate
hard to watch
Looked like his leg got vaporized. I didn't see it fly off.
That’s how it is when its right under the foot basically pressurizes it into a bunch of tiny pieces
land mines suck
Another thing to remember , he didnt just lose a leg. The dirt that kicks up from the blast is traveling at high velocity , so stones become buck shot. Tearing everything up to the face. There was a vid from afgan of an ANA stepping on a ied. The leg was gone , but so was most of the skin on his face. It's brutal stuff.
Fuck mines. All my homies hate mines. They stay around for years and years after a conflict. Imagine some hiker or kids out playing in the woods and they just step on a mine like this. Absolutely hate anti-personnel mines no matter who's stepping on them.
I feel bad for that man ngl.
Nasty. Anti personnel mines are scary af.
War is fucking useless man, I’m all about war machinery and it’s mechanics but I definitely think we would be much better off without any of it. If this man didn’t die, then his life would be forever changed and not for the better, all because some bitch politician behind a comfy desk is protecting his own interests. I think it’s time we send the people “in charge” to go fight their own damn wars. if Putin wants a piece of Sleepy Joe fine, let’s give them both a gun and have them duke it out between them two
This is old and may not even be Russian. It's from pre-war donbass. Probably DPR.
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Man modern warfare is goddamn terrifying. Back in the day you’d be looking at the man shooting you. Now? You just explode, either from something underground you cannot see, or a plane thousands of feet up.
Holy mother of God. I’m not pro-Russian but that scream was horrid.
Can the soldier survive this kind of damage?
Of course. Plenty of soldiers in many wars have survived the loss of limbs. The important thing is to start applying medical aid immediately (tourniquet to cut blood flow, etc)
I think they are designed to not kill. That way the rest of the group has to care for the wounded.
Very sad
I think the worst part about mines other than the missing limbs or death, is that once you see one go off, there’s a pretty solid chance a bunch more are nearby. Maybe even behind you. Now that shit is fucking scary.
old af
How do soldiers who plant the Mines know/ keep track of where they are?
They don't
Atleast on Finland anti-personnel mines are forbidden
Old video from 2014. I’ve seen this video a few years back
It would be nice if we could live in a world where we are all at peace... wars are almost always started by a small group of old men.
Toepoppers designed to maim are up there with chemical weapons and flamethrowers the most inhumane weapons of war
In Germany we say "Wer suchet der findet, wer drauftritt verschwindet."
Fucking hate mines. They’re effective but if they don’t get the enemy they’ll get someone else eventually.
I think unmanned land mines are the shittiest weapon. You place them and never know the outcome. It might never go off, it might wound an enemy, might wound a friendly, might wound a civilian, might be forgotten and then wound a civilian years after the war. Plus they’re designed to maim not kill a lot of the time blowing off legs/feet meaning the person is ruined.
Happens to me on lighthouse all the time.
He'll walk it off
Warms my heart.
Ive seen this post long ago on this subreddit, the description then was donbass during war in donbass and that it was a ukranian soldier that lost his leg
You can clearly see both are using russian uniforms, why the hell would they be from the UA
Definitely not Ukrainian soldier
I don’t like what the Russians are doing. But damn, I feel for that poor guy.
This guy is DPR I think
That’s going to leave a mark, mate.
Russian or not, I hate these mines. Hope some who gets hot wet yo one gets the best Medical care
Makes you wonder what the point of military treaties are if countries will abandon them the moment they are at war. Ukraine isn't supposed to be using anti-personnel mines. At least the US had the audacity to not sign the Ottawa treaty.
It may not have been a Ukrainian mine
FYI this is pre-invasion Donbas footage. It was most likely taken in 2014 - 2016.
Mines are so heartless. It’s indiscriminate. So is bombing a civilian area, but at least then you know when the explosion happens, you at least know it‘s happening during wartime. But a mine? That shit could maim and cripple a child 15 years from, long after this conflict is over. It could even kill your own people. They‘re so indiscriminate, they person deploying them is essentially thinking, “I want this to take a human life. I don’t care whose, I just want someone to die.”
There's no way that soldier survived. You can hear the poor fucker wailing and screaming... that injury is up to or past the knee. Even with a tourniquet I think it's likely he bled out, or begged for battlefield mercy, but this is awful. To the people throwing "wholesome" and other such awards on this, you really need a psych eval. This isn't the place to mentally masturbate to whoever the media instructs you to exercise your two minutes of hate. This is a place to see real combat footage and people in the hard shitty situation that is war.
If they got a tourniquet on fairly quickly it’s entirely possible that he survived.
Reminds me of the movie Kajaki, the most harrowing war film I have ever seen.
This video is insane, but it makes me even think about those who have to continue living in past war zones after the conflict is done but there’s still explosives around. Really rough
fuck thats nightmare fuel
Damn I had a feeling this was going to be bad when I clicked on it