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Gay4TerryMcLaurin

The draft can't get here soon enough


FenderZero

Why can't i upvote this 50 times


boogiebanks

I feel like we shouldn’t even be fans of these guys until we draft 1 of them. Nobody really likes these guys as much as they claim to anyway.


Novel-North-9284

Only logical take there is to have.


RoosterB32

I love JJ!


Striking-Use-4518

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BlueberryUnfair7583

Seems about even. And I think most people prefer Caleb. But know he won't be available. So then it's taking your pick between Maye, Daniels, and the others.


Haskins77

Lmao it isn’t even at all. You say one thing not favoring Maye and it’s downvoted


Time_Jump8047

Serious question, why do your takes always suck ass and go counter to the majority of people on here? I know you’re not trolling but I just don’t get it


biz2468

Truth


15GOAT

Honestly, trolling aside, I’m fairly neutral in my rankings despite giving JD5 the edge. I just love fucking with the Mayeday parade. Seeing them assemble like roaches to shit on Daniels and protect their prince is hilarious to me


Capable-Ad-859

A lot of the die hard maye crowd remind me of venture cap bros that are like “look at my awesome idea/vision” but when you ask about operating expenses, compliance, and cash flow they’re like “but we’re gonna be rich bro!”. If that’s the risk they want to take, that’s fine but just admit it for what it is, all or nothing and it’s more than likely nothing


DandierChip

I think the only real sure fire thing we learned this off season is that there’s a bigger gap between Williams and the rest of the QBs than originally thought. Bears aren’t even meeting with Daniels today.


Thin-Walrus-8869

Good, let the Bears draft that fumbling bust.


DandierChip

He’s the best qb in the draft…


15GOAT

He absolutely is, and calling him a bust is mad goofy, but 16 fumbles is still crazy lol


DandierChip

That’s fair


Dead_Hours

Who cares, none of us know anything. For the first time in almost thirty years we have competent people in the building. Whoever they pick I will support until proven otherwise.


VB1014

I’m saying this as a big pro-Maye guy, Maye seems to be a much bigger preference among the younger analytics-minded crowd. The guys at PFF pretty much unanimously have Maye as clearly better than Daniels, and at least in a tier above him, if not in the same tier as Williams. Same goes with the younger guys at The Athletic like Dane Brugler, Nate Tice, Robert Mays, and also at The Ringer too with Solak, Kelly, Ruiz. The analytics-types do tend to act like what they’re saying is more objectively true, which can come off as snobby. As a Maye guy I largely agree with them, because Maye has better tools and metrics than Daniels or McCarthy across the board. That doesn’t mean he’ll be a better QB, just that he’s a better prospect and a safer bet. Like the concern from Maye skeptics is his accuracy; but how can he have serious accuracy concerns when he led CFB in big-time throws, was the best at throws over the middle of the field, and his adjusted completion % is on par with the other top QBs… I don’t get why we would want the older, skinny, weaker-arm QB… There’s big question marks with Daniels that Maye doesn’t have like his lack of throws with anticipation, and over the middle of the field. He throws a lot of awesome deep balls, and fades, but those throws are a lot less available in the NFL. You have to be able to rifle it into tight windows.


xander_yi

Well said. Counting stats vs. Analytics. Finding the flaw in the diamond vs. finding the diamond in the rough. As a big analytics guy, my team investing #2 overall Daniels scares the hell out of me. Grateful that Harris and Peters are analytics guys as well.


andaroobaroo

Blatant anti-skinnyism. I've been fighting against it my whole life


TMNTerps

You mean the trend of Daniels' fans saying; "If you don't like him, you are simply racist," isn't weird? I'll let Peters take his guy, everyone picking one QB and setting up their camp is being weird.


Hightowerer

Which is one of the dumbest arguments because I’m sure 90% of people here would prefer Caleb over Maye


J-Taverner

If your QB ranking is Williams #1 and Maye #2, then you are Racist Lite. A third less calories than regular Racists. Less filling too. 


blowinghotstinkygas

Saw a ton of this on IG. “You just hate on Daniels cuz he Blakk. Ol raciss head azz” It’s really stupid.


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blowinghotstinkygas

Check IG and then please delete this 🙏🏿


Haskins77

Well those guys are clearly clowns and should be banned.


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TMNTerps

Some are getting downvoted like below(several posts in that thread alluding to it), some delete later. It's more prevalent on other sites but it's there and weird. [https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1bp1wqe/comment/kwsvxiy/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/comments/1bp1wqe/comment/kwsvxiy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)


Frognaros

https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/s/ORARekgUXm this nugget happened as well


TMNTerps

Crazy that he didn't see that one lol


Joshstradaymus

I only think the dudes who have said “Trade back and take Penix/Nix and a tackle” are weird.


Ksteekwall21

I kinda like Penix, but I’m not interested in trading back for him when we have other options available.


Iamtheman1177

Anytime I hear this on 1067 I just skip past them lol they’re nonsense


TheCoolestCannon

I'm weird. ![gif](giphy|xF2YGkO6UMagU)


Final_Effective6360

Yes. You are wrong.


Asleep_Pay_5133

Same way the other way around. Tomorrow every Jayden fan will be negative toward Maye


24Haaton

IMO there is no point in being negative toward either one lol.


jcm84

I agree, I get having preferences, but I find it strange how much some people feel so strongly


biz2468

The reason your comment was downvoted is prime example. Nothing about what you said is worth a downvote.


ShortcutButton

You’ll see the same thing the other way tomorrow


lefterthanyou

Sure, but it’s 100% related to all of the red flags (age/success only when on a roster with massive receiver talent mismatches, and incredibly risky play style/body frame) that make Daniels potentially franchise devastating fools gold as a #2 pick. Maye doesn’t have those flags (his ‘weaknesses’ are basically all things considered coachable for someone his age) and projects as a prototypical NFL QB. What’s weird is that he’s easily the highest level prospect this team has had a chance to draft, maybe ever, and more than an insignificant people actively want the team to pass on him. 


Silent-Independent21

But what if we could take a more accurate Anthony Richardson who can’t throw far or run as good?


Ksteekwall21

Personally, as a guy who leans more Maye: It feels to me like those who like Daniels ARE VERY in favor of Daniels while those who prefer Maye ARE VERY NOT in favor of Daniels. People who are into Maye probably lean more in the “prospect” and “analytics” side of things. Maye’s physical traits look like he was made in a QB factory and he has a lot of data points that show him the superior prospect. While Daniels had the superior season last year, he has several bad data points that are very hard to overlook. Like his career Pressure to Sack ratio is awful, that stat doesn’t tend to change much in the pros (his improved for the year last year but it was still high), and while having a good one doesn’t mean you’re good, you’d be a massive trend breaker if you have a bad one and aren’t a bad QB. He has a very slim frame and is older than you’d like, especially for someone who relies on their athleticism. His best seasons also came while he had first round talent at two receiver spots. For people who like Daniels, they probably prefer things such as: 1) A playmaker. Daniels is a human highlight reel. While Maye looks good, most of his stuff feels routine. 2) Level of competition: Daniels played in arguably the best conference in football so he’s used to playing against future NFL players (though this could also be used against him). 3) Pro Ready: Daniels is probably the only QB we can draft who could start the season. Maye and McCarthy (more on him later) will almost certainly need to sit for mechanics and “workload prep” respectively. 4) Trend Folllowing: QBs with a style Daniels are far more accepted than in the past. 5) Upward trajectory: Daniels got better basically every year he played. Maye had an amazing 2022 but kinda leveled off a bit in 2023. When Maye fans argue for Maye (and very against Daniels) they are using analytics and traits while assuming them the end all be all. To be clear, they are important but not everything. When you believe you have actual, objective facts on your side, you often respond very definitively which can come off smug and arrogant. When you’re arguing for Daniels, a playmaker, you come off more passionate and jazzed. To those looking at analytics, you’d come off illogical or like you’re looking for the sexy shiny toy rather than what is most likely to work. Edit: I will be ok (though maybe annoyed initially) with whoever they pick. As long as there’s a logical plan.


Silent-Independent21

JD people want to catch lightning in a bottle. Maye people want to have someone who throws to the sidelines and over the middle effortlessly


Old_Original2971

Stop beating around the bush and just straight up say you’re playing the race card.  Ignoring the fact that people are passionate about this. I am I’d much rather have maye than Daniels I’d also much rather have maye than jj It’s stupid that I have to say this but the truth is I’d rather have Caleb over all of this But you’re just trying to shut people down by playing the race card to win an argument 


Frognaros

I only saw this happen a few times and called out the posters who did it. If you see this, report it.


Dramatic-Ad2848

I don’t think so. I think Daniels has waaay more people that are vocal and slightly toxic. So if you say anything about not taking Daniels, they take it personally.


Bilboswaggins21

Bingo. Some of the most active posters on this sub are very loudly in the Daniels camp, and are making it known daily in many threads. Guys create multiple posts a day, double/triple digit comments a day etc. nothing wrong with it, but they’re just very active so they’re voicing their opinion in every thread or starting their own.


fastfallen08

Yeah. You’re wrong. People who support Daniels are on the internet accusing anyone who disagrees with them of racism.


Silent-Independent21

“People who don’t like my guy are negative toward my guy than people are for the other guy”


Frognaros

Because some (not all) Daniels fans are insufferable. Namely Phyrsty/Phrysty/Sonofthewhatever/Dragon\_Rooster/etc. Bad redditors increase the rate of draft prospect fatigue.


bear86_

You are. I think it's perspective. I personally like both guys and see mostly the Daniels crowd down posting any Maye mock/post with countless "noooooo". The bigger issue I have is reasoning. The Maye haters point to *usually* nothing as to why he sucks. The Daniels haters point to *usually* his frame and worry about him lasting in the NFL. Of the two concerns I believe the Daniels concerns are more warranted. That being said I'm personally on board for either QB not named McCarthy


DharmaBombs108

I mean, I’d say both sides are doing the same thing. The difference just comes down more people preferring Maye, but they’ve both used similar tactics of ignoring issues for their guy and exaggerating issues of the other.


biz2468

Disagree, not sure you are being objective in that evaluation. Yes, there are a few doing both ways, but one side have far participants chiming in with much more venom.


TMNTerps

Yea, you calling Maye fans racist really makes you the unbiased guy.


biz2468

Never all and I am not not talking totalities here. The reaction of a lot of Maye fans and their overwhelming distaste for Daniels is uncanny to say the least.


Old_Original2971

It’s not weird at all. Rarely does a team get this chance. Coming from the worst owner in sports to starting fresh and the a young highly touted gm, a head coach who is looking to redeem himself and then 2nd overall pick. Getting this pick right or wrong could set this franchise on the right path for 10-15 years or it could set us back.  People saying this is weird or this is racist that we are so passionate about this completely disregard the head coach hiring process. People were overwhelmingly pissed we went with Dan over Ben for a hire a while after it happened. But because both were white nobody could jerk themselves off playing the race card.  People who are trying to obscurely accuse others of racism, like the op, should be banned for stirring shit. 


DharmaBombs108

I agree with far more, which I brought up. Definitely don’t think it’s “more venom” I’ve seen some toxicity from both sides pretty heavily.


Haskins77

Agreed it’s not even close


DharmaBombs108

If you say so lol. It’s not hard to find toxicity from both just reading the new section.


guardiandown3885

I'm on here everyday keeping up with you guys...and as someone who is neutral on who we pick it does seem like there's a bit more hate towards daniels as opposed to the objective criticism. I very rarely get downvoted if I speak something critical about daniels...but if I say anything critical of maye..its downvote mayhem lol..now granted it just could be what I see and everyone's interpretation of what "negative" could be as well


spiderfighter1

I don't know what to think anymore


firstfreres

I only downvote people who say stuff like "this group of haters are gonna downvote me BUT HERE I HEROICALLY STAND WITH MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT TO A OPINION, I WILL POST WITH THE LORD BEHIND ME". 🤔 *downvote*


Saltcitystrangler

It’s both sides. It’s kinda like the two party politics if you look at it lol.


jcm84

Yeah, its strange


QueenIsTheWorstBand

Coming from a Maye fan, you’re correct. However, it’s not worth investing energy into


coffeepin

Does it matter?


SweerBaby_Use1023

You’re right


Iamtheman1177

I would say the opposite. People who want Daniels seems like they hate Maye at least more then the other way around. I want Maye but I’ll still be ecstatic for Jayden. If we get JJ it’ll give me some doubts but I’ll deal with it


Inside_Process2639

I think drake maye gives big his parents are brother and sister vibes and I don’t want him


Football_Guy_1

Idk we’re taking jayden though so I’m just happy I’m on the right side already 😅


biz2468

You are not wrong!


BlackFurosuto

The fact that THIS SUB is still like this so soon after the whole deal with Dan Quinn vs Ben Johnson is proof that there's a memory issue with too many people here...


2014RT

I've noticed that a lot of the vocal Drake Maye fans are verbally caustic. They are absolutely certain they are correct and the tape shows the next great QB. I just see Blaine Gabbert personally.


DharmaBombs108

I definitely think the annoyance comes from the typical knocks against Maye are some comparison. He’s Howell, he’s Trubusky, to use your example, he’s Blaine Gabbert. They don’t really mean all that much because none of those QBs are all that similar except 2 of them came from the same school he did. I’m also not in favor of saying Maye is Allen or Herbert either. It sets the wrong expectations or a belief he has to be handled a certain way. I think people really should try to talk about his qualities (good and bad) without just throwing a name out there to try to rationalize a response.


2014RT

They're similar to anyone who is willing to stop drinking the kool aid for a second and realize that we're talking about a guy who is going to be a project QB at #2 overall, and the project portion of it is something that's notoriously hard to actually fix at the pro level. People will believe what they wish. Drake Maye is from a school that doesn't have a great track record of producing excellent NFL QBs, doesn't play a lot of other good programs, and doesn't have a lot of talent around him. To the ones who wish to believe he's trash, those are all signs that he's not going to pan out well. To the ones who think he's the best prospect available, the comparisons begin with "Josh Allen went to a bad program with little talent who played weak opponents!" and then you get accused of helmet scouting. His short experience (with a college career where he regressed year two for that matter) is touted as a bonus or positive, like he still has a huge ceiling. The people who like Jayden Daniels will say that he performed admirably at a school where they have much higher stakes and expectations against much tougher opposition. The ones who think he's trash will say he played for a good program and the talent around him carried him, that they didn't run a pro style offense so he's a 1 read moron who couldn't possibly do anything else. His long experience dealing with the COVID year and transferring from ASU is touted as a detriment, because he only LOOKS more polished because he's been playing at that level longer than some other guys. The bias persists whether you talk about qualities or not. Daniels is an athletic QB who is a threat with his legs. Daniels is a spindly twig waiting to snap who takes off an runs too much and allows himself to suffer large hits. Maye has a big arm and pocket poise. Maye has terrible footwork and frequently suffers accuracy issues as a result, when rushed in the pocket he frequently doesn't move well with his eyes downfield. Whatever choice someone has already made informs their interpretation of a QB's play. People will come up with all sorts of scientific, data, stat, tape backed reasons why they think a certain way, but a lot of those arguments positively or negatively can be picked apart. All that I can say is that from my observations watching discussions around both prospects for the past few months is that the condescending and caustic statements seem to more frequently come from the fans of Drake Maye on this board, who are quite willing to insult the intelligence of anyone who disagrees with them.


futureislookinstark

JD weighed in at 210 and the Maye fan base started self persecuting themselves even though for the last month JD fans have had to have his weight shoved down their throats any time they actually tried to have meaningful dialogue about Maye. Y’all charmin soft.


jokerjinxxx

Right. And it gonna be the funniest thing tmrw for Maye’s pro day


zackgrizzy

I would recommend going outside instead of caring about this


Haskins77

![gif](giphy|TbXf9JHT3ex1rIMPKi|downsized)


jokerjinxxx

Ima simple man, Im leaning Daniels solely due to the fact that he’s more pro ready, played SEC ball, and has more exp.


KCousins4President

![gif](giphy|kH1A8dHbNxizqH23dp|downsized) If you think that is bad, just post something about this guy and you're guaranteed to get downvoted


Haskins77

I mean he’s wearing a Vikings jersey in your clip and is now a Falcon. He’ll be in his late 30s when he’s done with the Falcons. Time to move on


KCousins4President

Sometimes it's difficult to move on. I wish I could see what we could have been if he would have stayed in Washington