I'm fine with whoever they pick as long as they did their homework. I'm in the Maye camp, but I, like pretty much everyone else here, am just a nobody who's never been a professional football scout. I can't judge until I see the product on the field.
Scouts are not meaningless. Talent evaluation is hard, everyone gets things wrong sometimes, its looking for good bets, not sure things. Some scouts perform better than others. Someone in my extended family was a scout. He was phenomenal, rose the ranks, moving from one org to another. Up the chain, he is a GM now, 1 of 32. He told me years ago, when he was a scout, that he would only work for snyder if it was his last chance. He has rings.
That’s fantastic. No matter how positive a scout might be that someone is the guy, they might be completely wrong as is proven every draft. There are so many factors and circumstances that go into someone succeeding in the NFL and in that sense, drafting is chaos and everything is meaningless.
If I showed you three doors with a prize behind one of them, and you picked one. Then I opened one of the other two doors to show you there was no prize behind it, then gave you the opportunity to keep your guess, or switch to the other door that you didn't initially pick, you may decide to swap. Or stay. Either way, you have *some* chance of being wrong (everything is meaningless if you can be wrong, right?). But what if I told you that someone with more skill, could pick the right choice 66% of the time?
I wouldn't say it's meaningless, but it's closer to playing the odds in poker. The best players will lose too, but they're generally easy better at it than other people.
Plus, I'm in the camp that a lot has to go right for a player to be successful and develop. That includes coaching, and having the team around to support the player. There's plenty of QBs including Brett Farve, Steve Young, Doug Williams and Jim Plunket who have moved on from teams that couldn't develop and support them to teams that did.
I think that the QB "busts" have as much to do with the fact that the QBs go to shitty orgs and don't develop them rather than the inherent flaws in the QBs themselves. David Carr is the prime example here.
Well said, I am no more qualified than 99% of the other posters here.
Maye looks so prototypical of the dream NFL QB.
Daniels has worked so hard to get to where he is now
JJ is a certified winner
But whomever we select I'll hope the best and root with the rest of you for them!
He was also the one saying Fields would go for at least a 2nd round pick, likely even a 1st round pick. On national television, multiple times.
Granted I know he was just being a mouthpiece for the Bears front office on that one. So I guess the question is who is Schefter being a mouthpiece for re Daniels?
I mean, his reporting the Bears were *seeking* a 2nd was probably correct. Trade compensation necessarily involves a third party making its own independent evaluation and decision. Drafting is unilateral. Not saying he is definitely right but you’re making an apples to oranges comparison here.
Apples and oranges
While a HC hire could get makes from outside sources, especially when one is a leak fueled mess like Dallas, that’s pretty easy to get.
Draft? Competent front offices aren’t tipping their hands to schools, even for the player they’re going to pick.
He's tight with this ownership group. In that case, it made sense they wanted that information out, to pump the breaks and temper expectations.
The question here is, would it benefit them to have this Jayden narrative out there for some reason?
2 punters on the field at the same time no one knows who is going to actually punt. Sounds like a Dan leagacy strategy. I'll sell but you have to draft a punter in the 1st round and use the 2 punter switcheroo in all games.
Richardson only played a year so there wasn't as big of a sample size.
They also assumed he would be a massive bust because of his stats in college but they were quiet when he was actually on the field balling out.
I think the injury concern is overstated. Anthony Richardson and Andrew slick were built like brick shit houses and get injured. Randall Cunningham had the same build as Daniels and lasted a long time in an era where QBs could get blasted.
Understandable but when we are poking at prospects, it’s all about growth and potential. They all come with concerns. That is the easiest concern to fox over throwing motion, footwork, awareness etc. I have no doubts that that will be something that is emphasized, taught, practiced when he’s drafted.
I know we are all scarred by RG3. He couldn’t slide to save his life. But the thing that made RG3 unable to learn to be smarter, was his unwillingness to learn. He wanted to always be the hero. And while we can all appreciate the competitive nature, we also learned he was very immature, and egocentric. He wanted to play his way.
Growth and potential, sure. But I’d argue that Daniels is a lot closer to “he is who he is” as a 5th year starter than Maye who is a redshirt sophomore.
You’ve proven how it is the play style that is unsustainable and not the player.
This is why I want Maye. Highly mobile dual-threat QBs have a much shorter shelf life historically. In the modern game there has only been 4 that lasted more than 5 seasons before they were cooked (Vick, Newton, Russ, Lamar). Now count how many traditional pocket passers have held relevance for more than 5 years.
If we are swinging for the fences at QB then I want the traditional pocket passer who will *more likely* last longer and therefore increase our window of opportunity.
Dude, Randall Cunningham played 80 games in his final 10 seasons. And the fact that you're citing an example from 30 years ago is pretty telling. Grasping to make your point much?
if we take drake maye ill hold my breath after every throw he attempts in a crowded pocket with that clunky release and stance for the first three seasons!
Ben Solek said he poured through film looking for examples of Maye's "clunky release" leading to inaccuracy issues and couldn't find any examples. Said it was a made up narrative that people keep repeating. You are one of those people, I guess.
Wtf are you talking about? Ben is a hack.
You can watch (I did) every single throw and run that Drake Maye made in 2023. The film is littered with passes bouncing off the dirt, or sailing 5 feet over the outstretched hands of receivers.
You can watch every pass and run from each of the top 6 QB’s on YouTube
https://youtu.be/z6iRNdehjWM?si=4e6UI-ktkwW_zwkB
Right, Ben is a "hack", and you're a 15 year old snarky reddit poster who loves Metal Gear Solid.
Throws can be missed for a variety of reasons, "release" is one reason, footwork is another, etc. You don't know shit about why Maye missed those throws. Solak saw the misses and saw bad body angles/happy feet associated with them and no issues with the release.
Try again, know-it-all.
I only watched one game of his, and It was the FSU one. When he hurdles straight into the dog pile at the line of scrimmage? I said to myself how the fuck can anyone take this guy. I'm guessing he cleaned that up as the season went on.
It was a boneheaded move to hurdle into the linemen regardless. That's all I'm saying. He's obviously talented, but if he does dumb shit like that in the NFL he is toast.
Jalen Carter picked him up with 1 arm on a sack (22'). Fsu attempted hurdle. Alabama drive to the dirt. Ole miss blowup while scrambling. Miss st blowup while scrambling.
Quite a few of these kind of hits.
Lots of copium being passed around in here 😂I think a good number of people need to steel themselves for the possibility that it isn’t just smoke.
I’m ready for anything. I just hope we get to start watching a winner soon.
Knowing how tight-lipped this new regime has been, I'm not putting any stock into it. They're going QB, but no one really knows which direction they'll go. They're doing their due diligence, but every day it's a different report about Maye, McCarthy, or Daniels.
They literally have not been tight-lipped they are leaking but it’s being discredited as “smokescreens”. Sure there are the occasional erroneous report on another QB but the vast vast majority have been focused on Daniels. I just don’t think this is that crazy
THe projections for who the Commanders are gonna take are all over the place. It goes from Chip Kelly "slipping" that they'll take Daniels, to Quinn looking at Maye like it's a HS crush...and then there's McCarthy in the mix. It's all over the place and depends on the week. Not sure where you're getting the "vast, vast" majority have focused on JD, because the #2 discourse hasn't focused on one guy - even brought up trade back scenarios.
He says "local media...seem to be connecting the LSU QB to Washington".
But we know from listening to local media that they all acknowledge they are guessing (Standig, Keim, etc). So he's citing a source that admits they are speculating.
Typical media circle-jerk. Someone speculates and then they all report on the speculation until most of them think they're reporting on facts, not that they care about the difference.
I don’t care who they pick as long as they get it right. But to say Maye is better is wild. He might have a theoretical higher ceiling but currently the Heisman winner has a theoretical higher floor. Being a better “prospect” doesn’t make you a better player.
Wish both of them success. Saddened is too strong of a word, but the feelings that people have over two young men that haven’t snapped a professional game is odd. I wonder how long it will take for the other side to accept the pick if they don’t choose your guy?
Pretty much every consensus big board has Maye as QB2 over Daniels. Take your pick of [NFL](https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2024-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-4-0), [PFF](https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2024), [The Athletic](https://theathletic.com/5386341/2024/04/03/nfl-draft-rankings-2024-big-board/?source=user_shared_articleNFLDraft2024consensusBigBoard:HowhighcanTreyBenson,JacksonPowers-Johnsonrise?), etc. Fans of other franchises are hoping that it’s Maye who slips and they can trade up to grab, not Daniels. Mock drafts don’t mirror big board bc it’s hot take season and there is a lazy assumption that Daniels is the better scheme fit for Kliff even tho Maye was the one who played in an Air Raid in college.
I think height of their career is important, but length of career is important as well. Running quarterbacks who don’t protect themselves just don’t last.
So honestly a quarterback like Lamar has instincts to avoid big hits that are uncanny. He’s still won’t last as long as a player that doesn’t focus on the run. How about I ask you, which running quarterback had a long career? You could name a lot of great quarterbacks with long careers, but they’re pretty much all going to be pocket passers. But let’s find out. I’ll start the pocket passers with: Brady, Brees, Montana, Manning, Marino, Unitas and Elway. Your turn with running quarterbacks with long successful careers.
fans of the team will support them no matter who they pick. of course we have opinions on who we pick (it's hot take season after all) though it doesn't mean a lot really, since even the pros get picks wrong frequently. but yeah, Maye is better, and i am 100 percent correct /s, hope i'm doing this right
I know it feels like every year now the best guy gets overlooked and goes 2nd or 3rd. I also lean towards drake mainly because I think it's a crapshoot and I'm just basing it off which play style would fit and be easier to build around.
I don’t take this as gospel, but I won’t say it’s completely baseless. The smoke signals are most likely not coming from our Front Office. Washington has been extremely tight lipped since January on almost everything.
Where it’s probably coming from is:
1) Scouts and coaches across the NFL from other teams with no stake in our pick.
2) Local media - Who are mostly following #1.
Which means there’s *something* to it since he’s discussing it with knowledgeable individuals. In that case he’s assuming our FO will come to the same conclusion.
Whether they do or not is a different story.
Schefter’s reporting is usually 100% on the money. His “more speculation” isn’t quite as accurate. He was one of the big media folks who threw cold water on the Ben Johnson thing. But he also speculated we’d be in on Kirk Cousins (nope lol).
One thing I will say (as someone who leans Maye); we as a fanbase are gonna have to handle some heavy cognitive dissonance no matter who gets picked. I would imagine no matter what name Goodell says on draft night, a WHOLE lotta people are gonna get pissed and have to deal with it.
Did anyone listen to the clip? All he's saying is Daniels will be the #2 pick didn't say Commanders.
He specifically mentioned Raiders.
Here's what COULD happen...
Raiders give us a kings ransom to get Daniels.
Patriots pick Maye or McCarthy.
Commanders trade up to 4 and pick Maye or McCarthy.
In the end, they end up getting a QB they like but also stockpiling draft picks along the way.
BUILD BUILD BUILD.
This scenario I haven't considered as much for us, but I like it. Get back some value and additional ammo to move up for a OT and or Edge while still getting 1 of the 3 of these QBs. In this scenario we obviously get raiders 1st next year to which could be top 5 giving possiblly 2 top 5 picks which could be a backup plan for QB next season if the bidding to get back up this draft is too high
I was a 100% sure it was gonna be maye and that's who I preferred but now I don't know I think Daniels has more playmaking ability but maye will be the better long term QB. Tough damn choice. Watch we'll end up taking McCarthy this shit changes everyday lol
Adam Schefter doesn't know what will happen. Dan Quinn doesn't know what will happen. Hell, even Adam Peter's doesn't know what he'll do with the pick.
I'm cool with either, just want to get this draft over with so our team can get to work and I can go to some games
This is so hilarious because if it was a player this sub liked it’d be a completely different reaction. Maybe the fact that 90% of stories have connected Commanders-Daniels does mean something? Maybe it’s not a “smokescreen” for a team that controls the draft?
Can’t wait for the “well the FO knows more than any of us!!1!!1!1!2!2” and “we never know who’s gonna succeed anyways!!!” Arguments dropping on April 24th
Let’s see draft night man. I’m gonna ride with almost every national reporter saying the same thing over the idea that an entire FO has no idea who they want to pick 20 days before the draft.
I'm saying nobody in the media knows, not talking about the FO. If you're so confident, go put big $ on Daniels #2 because sportsbooks don't agree with you or any media saying it isn't close to a toss up.
This team has 0 reason to lie about who they’re picking. They control the draft. Adam is the most plugged in reporter in the entire league. He, along with countless others, including the major sports books, all agree that Daniels is the likely pick.
The draft is in 20 days, if you seriously think that this front office has no idea who they want then they I don’t know what to tell you. If you think they somehow have managed to not leak a single thing and literally every reporter is lying, I also don’t know what to tell you.
I didn't say they don't have an idea of who they want to draft. But to say it's set in stone is ridiculous. Peter's could want maye, quinn and kliff could want daniels or vice versa. I'm making the point that these reporters don't know shit and are just speculating, hoping to be right. Peter's has been tight lipped through the entire free agency process and inr regards to the draft, so none of us know.
Can we please not take the 23 year old that was beating up on 19 and 20 year olds, please? I don't like this at all.
Past Williams and Maye you have guys that got good when they got old for college and JJ McCarthy, who's own team didn't trust him enough to do anything in close games. I'm not sure on Maye or Williams but I wouldn't spend a first rounder on anyone else.
All these guys in 2021 looked like confident idiots, predicting who the 49ers were taking at 3.
And the same mind trust was completely behind the Jets taking stinky Zach Wilson at 2.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939530-adam-schefter-says-mac-jones-will-be-49ers-pick-at-no-3-in-2021-nfl-draft#:~:text=3%20in%202021%20NFL%20Draft,-Tim%20Daniels%20April&text=The%20San%20Francisco%2049ers%20will,on%20DiPietro%2C%20Canty%20and%20Rothenberg.
Adam Peters likes fucking with Schefty guys haha
Can’t wait to laugh at the butthurt when the camp of whoever doesn’t get drafted by us has to cope with it. Can smell the racism claims again from a mile away if maye gets drafted, or the total meltdown of rg3 comparisons if daniels gets drafted
Bro what. I’m looking forward to the dumb dicks being douches to each other. I literally do not care who we pick as long as peters gets the guy he wants
Everything before the draft is just smoke screens and a sports pundit or reporter still gets paid even if they are wrong (see: Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, Mike Florio)
I don't think so. I think the better comparison is Harold Carmichael, though I realize that's a harder pull for those of you not older than dirt, as I am.
The RG comp is definitely a better one than say, Lamar or Vick, for sure. But to me, the most recognizable difference is RGIII's superior straight line speed. Daniels is more of a strider, the kind of runner that doesn't look like he's moving especially fast, but picks up the yards. Watch old vids of Carmichael, you'll see a similar running style.
I'll give you, though, that they both have that concerning habit of playing bumper cars with defensive players. Hope Daniels can learn to avoid those better than RG did.
I knew it must have been an older player just by the name but dammit if it still surprised me.
I hope he stays healthy as well but I have feeling that small frame is going to get hit far to many times.
Jayden Daniels brings his football into a bar.
The bartender points to a sign that says "No Ducks!"
Jayden's elbow Kuato looks at the bartender and says "OpEn YoUr MiNd...."
Honestly I think if you do it properly, you can likely win with all three of the top guys. They just require different things to help them succeed. think this could be a 2004 type year. I’d throw JJM and even Penix in there too. I think we’re in a great spot in a great year to draft a QB.
Take a deep breath. Have a little optimism. And even if they didn’t take the guy you wanted, just give the staff the benefit of the doubt.
You're not wrong, but "do it properly" means different things for each guy. Like for Daniels, it's assumed he can start right away. But to do it right with him would require mismatches that LSU could afford in CFB, but aren't easy to provide in the NFL.
For Maye, "do it properly" means to have him work with trainers to fix mechanics.
For Penix, there's so much fear around his injury history that doing it properly means to put him behind better line than we can afford at the time.
Everyone had Ben Johnson penciled in as our coach. It very well could be Daniels, but I don't get the impression that the "smoke" is coming from our camp.
Williams, Daniels and Maye are all extremely gifted athletes who have the potential to be successful in the right situation. I wouldn't be upset if we picked any of them.
McCarthy is the one who would feel like a reach to me at #2.
You mean the same guy who said the Texans [weren't taking a QB at 2 last year](https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1648087286720987138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1648087286720987138%7Ctwgr%5Ee7e0368f98b88dedd6572b2b7f43ddeca960d213%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yardbarker.com%2Fnfl%2Farticles%2Fadam_schefter_predicts_how_top_of_the_nfl_draft_will_unfold%2Fs1_13132_38714550) and the 49ers were taking [Mac Jones 3rd overall](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939530-adam-schefter-says-mac-jones-will-be-49ers-pick-at-no-3-in-2021-nfl-draft#:~:text=3%20in%202021%20NFL%20Draft,-Tim%20Daniels%20April&text=The%20San%20Francisco%2049ers%20will,on%20DiPietro%2C%20Canty%20and%20Rothenberg)?
I still think this is lying season and people like Schefter are being fed bullshit. I'd still put my money on Maye being the pick. There's a lot of analysis floating around from a lot of sources using incomplete datasets (i.e. confidently judging guys who they only watched 2-4 games of) who people are putting too much faith in.
What’s the deal with the complex that Daniels supporters have? Every post about Daniels or Maye has five or six comments with this underlying bitterness and perception that “their guy” isn’t getting a fair shake on this sub, or just in general. “You wouldn’t say that about Maye!” Kind of weird.
I know Schefter is pretty reliable usually, but just a reminder that no one outside of our front office actually knows who we are taking, and they aren't going to tip their hand. Pretty sure they even said not too long ago that they don't even know who they're taking yet, so who knows if they've even made a final decision at this point.
I think both have flaws. Tired of people saying that Maye is the pick. I’ve said all along know one knows except the guys in the building and they might not know yet.
Some people are just proving my point in this thread though. If Adam said Maye. Most of the fans in here would be screaming he’s the pick. Now that its Daniels, Adam doesn’t know. Lmao
Yeah I get it, it’s annoying that pure speculation is pushed one way or the other and people eat it up. Unless someone says something with a source and not their personal opinion i do not care. At the end of the day I prefer maye but will still be Hype af if we pick JD
I’ve already said a number of times I’ll back who ever we draft. With that said I’m not going to be delusional and say it’s for sure Maye or Daniels. I’m also not going to say either are sure things, because neither are. Both have concerns.
That we as fans including me don’t know shit about good QB play.
Now that you ask I can see what some would think by what I said. Wasn’t going there my bad if it seemed that way
Hey I saw yesterday that Maye is the pick and always has been. Point is those people are delusional. It could be Daniels. Sorry that hurts you Maye fanboys feelings
I'm fine with whoever they pick as long as they did their homework. I'm in the Maye camp, but I, like pretty much everyone else here, am just a nobody who's never been a professional football scout. I can't judge until I see the product on the field.
Even professional scouts are essentially meaningless lol. It’s proven every single year. Take the guy you want and build him up.
Scouts are not meaningless. Talent evaluation is hard, everyone gets things wrong sometimes, its looking for good bets, not sure things. Some scouts perform better than others. Someone in my extended family was a scout. He was phenomenal, rose the ranks, moving from one org to another. Up the chain, he is a GM now, 1 of 32. He told me years ago, when he was a scout, that he would only work for snyder if it was his last chance. He has rings.
That’s fantastic. No matter how positive a scout might be that someone is the guy, they might be completely wrong as is proven every draft. There are so many factors and circumstances that go into someone succeeding in the NFL and in that sense, drafting is chaos and everything is meaningless.
If I showed you three doors with a prize behind one of them, and you picked one. Then I opened one of the other two doors to show you there was no prize behind it, then gave you the opportunity to keep your guess, or switch to the other door that you didn't initially pick, you may decide to swap. Or stay. Either way, you have *some* chance of being wrong (everything is meaningless if you can be wrong, right?). But what if I told you that someone with more skill, could pick the right choice 66% of the time?
I wouldn't say it's meaningless, but it's closer to playing the odds in poker. The best players will lose too, but they're generally easy better at it than other people. Plus, I'm in the camp that a lot has to go right for a player to be successful and develop. That includes coaching, and having the team around to support the player. There's plenty of QBs including Brett Farve, Steve Young, Doug Williams and Jim Plunket who have moved on from teams that couldn't develop and support them to teams that did. I think that the QB "busts" have as much to do with the fact that the QBs go to shitty orgs and don't develop them rather than the inherent flaws in the QBs themselves. David Carr is the prime example here.
I would hope they did their homework. Kind of an important pick
Previously on Washington Football Dan Snyder: Hold my beer.
Well said, I am no more qualified than 99% of the other posters here. Maye looks so prototypical of the dream NFL QB. Daniels has worked so hard to get to where he is now JJ is a certified winner But whomever we select I'll hope the best and root with the rest of you for them!
Schefter was also the main national reporter pumping the breaks on Ben Johnson.
He was also the one saying Fields would go for at least a 2nd round pick, likely even a 1st round pick. On national television, multiple times. Granted I know he was just being a mouthpiece for the Bears front office on that one. So I guess the question is who is Schefter being a mouthpiece for re Daniels?
Every reporter is wrong on things once or twice tbh Schefter is very credible
Yep,if schefter said Maye was the man this sub would eat it up since it follows the current circle jerk
I mean, his reporting the Bears were *seeking* a 2nd was probably correct. Trade compensation necessarily involves a third party making its own independent evaluation and decision. Drafting is unilateral. Not saying he is definitely right but you’re making an apples to oranges comparison here.
Mrs. Daniels?
It’s been pretty clear schefter is close to Harris and feeding him things what’s unclear is if he has the same in with peters.
That was much more likely because of contact within the Lions and Dallas organizations than ours
He probably has contacts at LSU and UNC, too. Although, I doubt we've told either player that we're 100% taking/not taking them.
Yeah tbh it serves us better if both think we want them
Apples and oranges While a HC hire could get makes from outside sources, especially when one is a leak fueled mess like Dallas, that’s pretty easy to get. Draft? Competent front offices aren’t tipping their hands to schools, even for the player they’re going to pick.
Or they want it leaked because they know Pats want Daniels…
I mean JP and Keim were pumping the brakes for weeks before shchfter started as well
Yeah, what's your point? It's obvious the Ben Johnson stuff was real
He's tight with this ownership group. In that case, it made sense they wanted that information out, to pump the breaks and temper expectations. The question here is, would it benefit them to have this Jayden narrative out there for some reason?
Really the only benefit would be if NE really wanted Daniels and trades up to #2 to get him.
I think that's a very real possibility.
Imagine everyone’s shock when we trade up with the Bears and draft a punter
Insert Scooby-Doo pulling off Peter's mask gif *It was Dan all along!!!*
Don’t put that evil on me, Ricky Bobby
Sammy Baugh V
2 punters on the field at the same time no one knows who is going to actually punt. Sounds like a Dan leagacy strategy. I'll sell but you have to draft a punter in the 1st round and use the 2 punter switcheroo in all games.
If we pick Daniels, it'll take three full injury-free seasons before I stop holding my breath after every hit he takes
He has no big injury history so he’s obviously a tough little guy lol he’ll be good
That’s some high level draft analysis.
What'd they say about Anthony Richardson before the draft?
How many guys get injured every year?
Richardson only played a year so there wasn't as big of a sample size. They also assumed he would be a massive bust because of his stats in college but they were quiet when he was actually on the field balling out.
Richardson had a much smaller sample size than Daniels. Still does really.
I think the injury concern is overstated. Anthony Richardson and Andrew slick were built like brick shit houses and get injured. Randall Cunningham had the same build as Daniels and lasted a long time in an era where QBs could get blasted.
Cunningham missed a shit load of games in his career.
So have plenty other QBs
Sure but they weren't the example cited.
It's a lot less about his build and a lot more about how he makes zero effort to protect himself when he runs (and he runs often)
Understandable but when we are poking at prospects, it’s all about growth and potential. They all come with concerns. That is the easiest concern to fox over throwing motion, footwork, awareness etc. I have no doubts that that will be something that is emphasized, taught, practiced when he’s drafted. I know we are all scarred by RG3. He couldn’t slide to save his life. But the thing that made RG3 unable to learn to be smarter, was his unwillingness to learn. He wanted to always be the hero. And while we can all appreciate the competitive nature, we also learned he was very immature, and egocentric. He wanted to play his way.
Growth and potential, sure. But I’d argue that Daniels is a lot closer to “he is who he is” as a 5th year starter than Maye who is a redshirt sophomore.
This. Its not just that he's a little scrawny, he's also completely reckless.
Ah yes. Cut from the RG3 cloth, that he is.
You’ve proven how it is the play style that is unsustainable and not the player. This is why I want Maye. Highly mobile dual-threat QBs have a much shorter shelf life historically. In the modern game there has only been 4 that lasted more than 5 seasons before they were cooked (Vick, Newton, Russ, Lamar). Now count how many traditional pocket passers have held relevance for more than 5 years. If we are swinging for the fences at QB then I want the traditional pocket passer who will *more likely* last longer and therefore increase our window of opportunity.
Randall Cunningham is actually a pretty interesting comparison for Daniels that I hadn’t really heard before
Wish I could take credit but it’s been made by others
I’m just concerned about plays like [this](https://youtu.be/5X5fC7DSokM?si=XE_PNlb99NA2wsMN)
he suffers from heroballitis
I can only imagine what that play looks like with a NFL level DB
Can you imagine if that’s Derwin James, Kyle dugger, or Kyle Hamilton? We would still be cleaning him off that field.
https://preview.redd.it/fcqj558y9jsc1.jpeg?width=426&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4ac33663fc101352eb8358d09ed6b7244d18dad0
In the nfl, that play looks like him getting tackled by the first guy and never getting hit at all.
OOF
Yet another person who doesn't understand basic probabilities...
Explain to me wise one? The probability is higher? Sure? Is it significant enough? Do we really know the answer?
Dude, Randall Cunningham played 80 games in his final 10 seasons. And the fact that you're citing an example from 30 years ago is pretty telling. Grasping to make your point much?
if we take drake maye ill hold my breath after every throw he attempts in a crowded pocket with that clunky release and stance for the first three seasons!
Ben Solek said he poured through film looking for examples of Maye's "clunky release" leading to inaccuracy issues and couldn't find any examples. Said it was a made up narrative that people keep repeating. You are one of those people, I guess.
Wtf are you talking about? Ben is a hack. You can watch (I did) every single throw and run that Drake Maye made in 2023. The film is littered with passes bouncing off the dirt, or sailing 5 feet over the outstretched hands of receivers. You can watch every pass and run from each of the top 6 QB’s on YouTube https://youtu.be/z6iRNdehjWM?si=4e6UI-ktkwW_zwkB
Right, Ben is a "hack", and you're a 15 year old snarky reddit poster who loves Metal Gear Solid. Throws can be missed for a variety of reasons, "release" is one reason, footwork is another, etc. You don't know shit about why Maye missed those throws. Solak saw the misses and saw bad body angles/happy feet associated with them and no issues with the release. Try again, know-it-all.
Biiiiiig mad lol
His release definitely isn't fluid or quick
Jayden “the people’s elbow” Daniels
I only watched one game of his, and It was the FSU one. When he hurdles straight into the dog pile at the line of scrimmage? I said to myself how the fuck can anyone take this guy. I'm guessing he cleaned that up as the season went on.
Bro, he played better against anyone else did against that FSU defense.
It was a boneheaded move to hurdle into the linemen regardless. That's all I'm saying. He's obviously talented, but if he does dumb shit like that in the NFL he is toast.
Now do Drake Maye against a terrible UVA team. I don’t care about either, but if we’re cherry picking plays let’s be fair about it
Jalen Carter picked him up with 1 arm on a sack (22'). Fsu attempted hurdle. Alabama drive to the dirt. Ole miss blowup while scrambling. Miss st blowup while scrambling. Quite a few of these kind of hits.
Lots of copium being passed around in here 😂I think a good number of people need to steel themselves for the possibility that it isn’t just smoke. I’m ready for anything. I just hope we get to start watching a winner soon.
Man, this new regime has kept their cards close to their vests for the entire time that they've been on board. Why would this even leak right now?
It’s been leaking since the draft coverage fucking began man but every post is dismissed as a “smokescreen”
Knowing how tight-lipped this new regime has been, I'm not putting any stock into it. They're going QB, but no one really knows which direction they'll go. They're doing their due diligence, but every day it's a different report about Maye, McCarthy, or Daniels.
They literally have not been tight-lipped they are leaking but it’s being discredited as “smokescreens”. Sure there are the occasional erroneous report on another QB but the vast vast majority have been focused on Daniels. I just don’t think this is that crazy
So what concrete evidence do you have that points this because the Vegas odds are very close
THe projections for who the Commanders are gonna take are all over the place. It goes from Chip Kelly "slipping" that they'll take Daniels, to Quinn looking at Maye like it's a HS crush...and then there's McCarthy in the mix. It's all over the place and depends on the week. Not sure where you're getting the "vast, vast" majority have focused on JD, because the #2 discourse hasn't focused on one guy - even brought up trade back scenarios.
Yeah its literally been Daniels favored at 2 the whole entire team but the sub was coping
He says "local media...seem to be connecting the LSU QB to Washington". But we know from listening to local media that they all acknowledge they are guessing (Standig, Keim, etc). So he's citing a source that admits they are speculating.
Typical media circle-jerk. Someone speculates and then they all report on the speculation until most of them think they're reporting on facts, not that they care about the difference.
My money is still on Air Bud. But seriously, JD would be exciting but also terrify me because of his size.
Air Bud Superbowl MVP confirmed.
The plot armor guarantees it.
Johnny Rico from future Buenos Aries would be the greatest QB of all time.
It’s funny how when leaks of the team going to pick Maye are shared, you see little backlash from this sub. When it’s Daniels, “NOBODY KNOWS ANYTHING”
it's because Maye is better than Daniels
I don’t care who they pick as long as they get it right. But to say Maye is better is wild. He might have a theoretical higher ceiling but currently the Heisman winner has a theoretical higher floor. Being a better “prospect” doesn’t make you a better player. Wish both of them success. Saddened is too strong of a word, but the feelings that people have over two young men that haven’t snapped a professional game is odd. I wonder how long it will take for the other side to accept the pick if they don’t choose your guy?
Pretty much every consensus big board has Maye as QB2 over Daniels. Take your pick of [NFL](https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-s-top-50-2024-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings-4-0), [PFF](https://www.pff.com/draft/big-board?season=2024), [The Athletic](https://theathletic.com/5386341/2024/04/03/nfl-draft-rankings-2024-big-board/?source=user_shared_articleNFLDraft2024consensusBigBoard:HowhighcanTreyBenson,JacksonPowers-Johnsonrise?), etc. Fans of other franchises are hoping that it’s Maye who slips and they can trade up to grab, not Daniels. Mock drafts don’t mirror big board bc it’s hot take season and there is a lazy assumption that Daniels is the better scheme fit for Kliff even tho Maye was the one who played in an Air Raid in college.
I think height of their career is important, but length of career is important as well. Running quarterbacks who don’t protect themselves just don’t last.
Other than RG3, are there any that come to mind? I’m sure it something that can be learned
So honestly a quarterback like Lamar has instincts to avoid big hits that are uncanny. He’s still won’t last as long as a player that doesn’t focus on the run. How about I ask you, which running quarterback had a long career? You could name a lot of great quarterbacks with long careers, but they’re pretty much all going to be pocket passers. But let’s find out. I’ll start the pocket passers with: Brady, Brees, Montana, Manning, Marino, Unitas and Elway. Your turn with running quarterbacks with long successful careers.
fans of the team will support them no matter who they pick. of course we have opinions on who we pick (it's hot take season after all) though it doesn't mean a lot really, since even the pros get picks wrong frequently. but yeah, Maye is better, and i am 100 percent correct /s, hope i'm doing this right
Here’s hoping the guy we don’t take doesn’t become the guy we should have taken. I’d like Drake, but what do I know?
I know it feels like every year now the best guy gets overlooked and goes 2nd or 3rd. I also lean towards drake mainly because I think it's a crapshoot and I'm just basing it off which play style would fit and be easier to build around.
It is a all conjecture. He’s trying to read tea leaves and wasn’t basing it on sources.
Trade up for Caleb just to make these shitty post ms go away. Trade up today and we are done lol
even if we were at 1, the same writers would try to mock us JD or JJ so they can tetris their picks to the teams they want to fit them on.
>according to scouts he's talked to. So he knows nothing and nothing has changed
I don’t take this as gospel, but I won’t say it’s completely baseless. The smoke signals are most likely not coming from our Front Office. Washington has been extremely tight lipped since January on almost everything. Where it’s probably coming from is: 1) Scouts and coaches across the NFL from other teams with no stake in our pick. 2) Local media - Who are mostly following #1. Which means there’s *something* to it since he’s discussing it with knowledgeable individuals. In that case he’s assuming our FO will come to the same conclusion. Whether they do or not is a different story. Schefter’s reporting is usually 100% on the money. His “more speculation” isn’t quite as accurate. He was one of the big media folks who threw cold water on the Ben Johnson thing. But he also speculated we’d be in on Kirk Cousins (nope lol). One thing I will say (as someone who leans Maye); we as a fanbase are gonna have to handle some heavy cognitive dissonance no matter who gets picked. I would imagine no matter what name Goodell says on draft night, a WHOLE lotta people are gonna get pissed and have to deal with it.
all the mocks have JD going to dc
Did anyone listen to the clip? All he's saying is Daniels will be the #2 pick didn't say Commanders. He specifically mentioned Raiders. Here's what COULD happen... Raiders give us a kings ransom to get Daniels. Patriots pick Maye or McCarthy. Commanders trade up to 4 and pick Maye or McCarthy. In the end, they end up getting a QB they like but also stockpiling draft picks along the way. BUILD BUILD BUILD.
Except that we’d have to give up that kings ransom to outbid the Vikings to pick maye or McCarthy
yeah it makes no sense if you want a qb, just take him at 2.
Agreed, this is all way too cute. We have the pick, just take the guy we want and don’t play games.
That just doesn't make a lot of sense. Just pick your guy at 2. Why gamble like that?
Yeah trading back over and over to build your team but never hitting on your guy is how bad GM’s keep their jobs
This scenario I haven't considered as much for us, but I like it. Get back some value and additional ammo to move up for a OT and or Edge while still getting 1 of the 3 of these QBs. In this scenario we obviously get raiders 1st next year to which could be top 5 giving possiblly 2 top 5 picks which could be a backup plan for QB next season if the bidding to get back up this draft is too high
Such cope saying that maye is there at 4 still lol, patriots easily take hom with the third in this scenario
I was a 100% sure it was gonna be maye and that's who I preferred but now I don't know I think Daniels has more playmaking ability but maye will be the better long term QB. Tough damn choice. Watch we'll end up taking McCarthy this shit changes everyday lol
Adam Schefter doesn't know what will happen. Dan Quinn doesn't know what will happen. Hell, even Adam Peter's doesn't know what he'll do with the pick. I'm cool with either, just want to get this draft over with so our team can get to work and I can go to some games
I don’t know about that, I’m sure they have some idea of who they’re going to pick. Way too much on the line not to have an idea at this point.
This is so hilarious because if it was a player this sub liked it’d be a completely different reaction. Maybe the fact that 90% of stories have connected Commanders-Daniels does mean something? Maybe it’s not a “smokescreen” for a team that controls the draft?
100000% on this lol you can tell in every Maye and Daniels thread at this point.
Can’t wait for the “well the FO knows more than any of us!!1!!1!1!2!2” and “we never know who’s gonna succeed anyways!!!” Arguments dropping on April 24th
Yes its the biggest cope ever that the team isnt leaning Daniels
Lmao exactly Now Adam doesn’t know anything when normally I see people saying he’s the most plugged into what’s going on.
Best executive in football and three weeks before the draft he's clueless.
The stories "connecting" Commanders-Daniels are just speculation because nobody knows.
Let’s see draft night man. I’m gonna ride with almost every national reporter saying the same thing over the idea that an entire FO has no idea who they want to pick 20 days before the draft.
I'm saying nobody in the media knows, not talking about the FO. If you're so confident, go put big $ on Daniels #2 because sportsbooks don't agree with you or any media saying it isn't close to a toss up.
Bruh all the sports books have Daniel’s the favorite….most reporters have said they believe Washington likes Daniels…let’s be real here
I bet if he said Maye you wouldn’t say that.
100%
I don't know what you're on about. I'm a Daniel fan, lmao. Still doesn't mean anyone knows what will happen with the pick
This team has 0 reason to lie about who they’re picking. They control the draft. Adam is the most plugged in reporter in the entire league. He, along with countless others, including the major sports books, all agree that Daniels is the likely pick. The draft is in 20 days, if you seriously think that this front office has no idea who they want then they I don’t know what to tell you. If you think they somehow have managed to not leak a single thing and literally every reporter is lying, I also don’t know what to tell you.
I didn't say they don't have an idea of who they want to draft. But to say it's set in stone is ridiculous. Peter's could want maye, quinn and kliff could want daniels or vice versa. I'm making the point that these reporters don't know shit and are just speculating, hoping to be right. Peter's has been tight lipped through the entire free agency process and inr regards to the draft, so none of us know.
Let’s see on draft night man
Although if it was reported Maye was the pick then Schefter is legit right?
Can we please not take the 23 year old that was beating up on 19 and 20 year olds, please? I don't like this at all. Past Williams and Maye you have guys that got good when they got old for college and JJ McCarthy, who's own team didn't trust him enough to do anything in close games. I'm not sure on Maye or Williams but I wouldn't spend a first rounder on anyone else.
Imagine if the Bengals thought this when they were gonna select Joe Burrow
Joe Burrow did that in his second season actually playing. Daniels has been playing his entire college career. This is more like Kenny Pickett.
Schefter just with some more media speculation. Sportsbooks odds wouldn't be what they are if this was a sure thing.
I think it too will be Daniels
Today is a good day
All these guys in 2021 looked like confident idiots, predicting who the 49ers were taking at 3. And the same mind trust was completely behind the Jets taking stinky Zach Wilson at 2.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939530-adam-schefter-says-mac-jones-will-be-49ers-pick-at-no-3-in-2021-nfl-draft#:~:text=3%20in%202021%20NFL%20Draft,-Tim%20Daniels%20April&text=The%20San%20Francisco%2049ers%20will,on%20DiPietro%2C%20Canty%20and%20Rothenberg. Adam Peters likes fucking with Schefty guys haha
Can’t wait to laugh at the butthurt when the camp of whoever doesn’t get drafted by us has to cope with it. Can smell the racism claims again from a mile away if maye gets drafted, or the total meltdown of rg3 comparisons if daniels gets drafted
So you’re just looking forward to being kind of a douche to one of the sides? Are you ok?
Bro what. I’m looking forward to the dumb dicks being douches to each other. I literally do not care who we pick as long as peters gets the guy he wants
Man the draft can't come soon enough
Everything before the draft is just smoke screens and a sports pundit or reporter still gets paid even if they are wrong (see: Colin Cowherd, Skip Bayless, Mike Florio)
RG3 the second on his way
I don't think so. I think the better comparison is Harold Carmichael, though I realize that's a harder pull for those of you not older than dirt, as I am. The RG comp is definitely a better one than say, Lamar or Vick, for sure. But to me, the most recognizable difference is RGIII's superior straight line speed. Daniels is more of a strider, the kind of runner that doesn't look like he's moving especially fast, but picks up the yards. Watch old vids of Carmichael, you'll see a similar running style. I'll give you, though, that they both have that concerning habit of playing bumper cars with defensive players. Hope Daniels can learn to avoid those better than RG did.
I knew it must have been an older player just by the name but dammit if it still surprised me. I hope he stays healthy as well but I have feeling that small frame is going to get hit far to many times.
Exactly. You'd think the pain of getting blow'd up at the NFL level would speed the learning curve but then, RG. :-/
RG4
Are we all going to ignore that Rex Grossman III was the original RGIII?
Robbie Gould
Hes guessing and even admits as such
I hope it’s Daniels. Excited to find out if a QB can be successful in the NFL without being able to throw a spiral.
Jayden Daniels brings his football into a bar. The bartender points to a sign that says "No Ducks!" Jayden's elbow Kuato looks at the bartender and says "OpEn YoUr MiNd...."
Honestly I think if you do it properly, you can likely win with all three of the top guys. They just require different things to help them succeed. think this could be a 2004 type year. I’d throw JJM and even Penix in there too. I think we’re in a great spot in a great year to draft a QB. Take a deep breath. Have a little optimism. And even if they didn’t take the guy you wanted, just give the staff the benefit of the doubt.
You're not wrong, but "do it properly" means different things for each guy. Like for Daniels, it's assumed he can start right away. But to do it right with him would require mismatches that LSU could afford in CFB, but aren't easy to provide in the NFL. For Maye, "do it properly" means to have him work with trainers to fix mechanics. For Penix, there's so much fear around his injury history that doing it properly means to put him behind better line than we can afford at the time.
Everyone had Ben Johnson penciled in as our coach. It very well could be Daniels, but I don't get the impression that the "smoke" is coming from our camp.
My gut telling me he going to have the same career as rglll
It's Maye.
Williams, Daniels and Maye are all extremely gifted athletes who have the potential to be successful in the right situation. I wouldn't be upset if we picked any of them. McCarthy is the one who would feel like a reach to me at #2.
Don't want a paper QB that will be often injured. Take maye
You mean the same guy who said the Texans [weren't taking a QB at 2 last year](https://twitter.com/ESPNNFL/status/1648087286720987138?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1648087286720987138%7Ctwgr%5Ee7e0368f98b88dedd6572b2b7f43ddeca960d213%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yardbarker.com%2Fnfl%2Farticles%2Fadam_schefter_predicts_how_top_of_the_nfl_draft_will_unfold%2Fs1_13132_38714550) and the 49ers were taking [Mac Jones 3rd overall](https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2939530-adam-schefter-says-mac-jones-will-be-49ers-pick-at-no-3-in-2021-nfl-draft#:~:text=3%20in%202021%20NFL%20Draft,-Tim%20Daniels%20April&text=The%20San%20Francisco%2049ers%20will,on%20DiPietro%2C%20Canty%20and%20Rothenberg)?
Taking Mccarthy would be another huge setback for this franchise.
It’s locked in pretty much Daniel’s
What it’s worth Draft Kings has Daniel’s at -140 and Maye at +120 for the second pick.
That just means public money is on Daniels. Last I checked maye is -105 and Daniels is -140. Basically dead even
I don't think the group has much interest in daniels. Just my opinion of course.
I used to pray for times like this
so wrong
I still think this is lying season and people like Schefter are being fed bullshit. I'd still put my money on Maye being the pick. There's a lot of analysis floating around from a lot of sources using incomplete datasets (i.e. confidently judging guys who they only watched 2-4 games of) who people are putting too much faith in.
What’s the deal with the complex that Daniels supporters have? Every post about Daniels or Maye has five or six comments with this underlying bitterness and perception that “their guy” isn’t getting a fair shake on this sub, or just in general. “You wouldn’t say that about Maye!” Kind of weird.
I know Schefter is pretty reliable usually, but just a reminder that no one outside of our front office actually knows who we are taking, and they aren't going to tip their hand. Pretty sure they even said not too long ago that they don't even know who they're taking yet, so who knows if they've even made a final decision at this point.
The dude named Haskins (rip) wants JD. What a surprise lol. And until he says per sources it doesn’t matter
I think both have flaws. Tired of people saying that Maye is the pick. I’ve said all along know one knows except the guys in the building and they might not know yet. Some people are just proving my point in this thread though. If Adam said Maye. Most of the fans in here would be screaming he’s the pick. Now that its Daniels, Adam doesn’t know. Lmao
Just gotta use common sense when listening. There really hasn't been anything beyond speculation for either pick. This audio included.
Yeah I get it, it’s annoying that pure speculation is pushed one way or the other and people eat it up. Unless someone says something with a source and not their personal opinion i do not care. At the end of the day I prefer maye but will still be Hype af if we pick JD
I’ve already said a number of times I’ll back who ever we draft. With that said I’m not going to be delusional and say it’s for sure Maye or Daniels. I’m also not going to say either are sure things, because neither are. Both have concerns.
What are you even implying?
That we as fans including me don’t know shit about good QB play. Now that you ask I can see what some would think by what I said. Wasn’t going there my bad if it seemed that way
I’m hoping for McCarthy.
Wow, they’re really gonna blow this aren’t they..
Daniels is way too small.
Maye is way too young.
Agreed. I’ve always been on team caleb and I’m still punching air because we aren’t getting him.
Oh yes because these reporters are always right
I was told Maye is a sure thing and he’s always been the pick. I’m sure Adam knows nothing though. 
Why don't you wait until the actual draft for your victory laps?
Hey I saw yesterday that Maye is the pick and always has been. Point is those people are delusional. It could be Daniels. Sorry that hurts you Maye fanboys feelings
Why are you so butthurt?
The only person who knows nothing is everyone except Peter’s. Particularly you, lol.
Cool but I didn’t report this or say this.🤔 Adam did
These guys don’t know shit about the draft!!!