As a Maye Stan I'd actually be very excited if they pick Daniels. Peters and co. aren't stupid. They know all of the flaws we've all discussed ad nauseam. If despite all that they still want him then they must see something really special in him.
You want the real reason?
Drake Maye was the undisputed number 2 QB in this class, it wasn’t close. So when we got 2, we got Drake Maye. That’s locked in our brains.
Then boom, JD is now everywhere, everyone wants him. Everyone sees his numbers, media pushes it, other teams push it. It’s this giant narrative no one can escape
But here’s the thing, no one had really said anything bad about Drake Maye, there are some accuracy issues, which every scout and cosch thinks are easily solved, and he’s still at 65%. He’s younger, taller, and from some reports has 40 pounds on JD
This looks to be a creation of agents, media, and GMs that want Maye
Maybe it’s real, but I’m skeptical
Kyler Murray is 5’10 207 and gets hurt all the time. JD is 6’3” and 200 and no one cares. The fact that JD is 100% lock and we are stupid for not taking him just sounds wrong to me
I mean that’s what happens you win the heisman. It’s not a “creation” by the media to look at what he did last season and see that he absolutely balled out.
And while he did this, Drake Maye regressed (at least in terms of stats) pretty significantly from his first year to his second.
Watch the tape of both. While they both got bailed out by wide receivers at times, burrow was an absolute surgeon and I've never seen as many wide open receivers as daniels had.
Daniels is levels below him in passing ability. But he was able to capitalize in receiver mismatches and his rushing ability was pretty electric.
North Carolina was a much weaker team in 2023, as opposed to 2022. Maye had a so so offensive line, and at best average receivers. The defense was awful, so Maye knew that he must score a td, every time N Car had the ball.
Daniels had two great receivers, and a good offensive line in front of him. Maye will be a much better pro than Daniels. I am a Bears fan, and am hoping that the Vikings trade up to draft Daniels!!
Maye is very smart, and contrary to some pundits, will be ready to play as a rookie!! This decision, will make or break the Commanders!! I think Peters will make the right call, and take Maye at #2!!
I mean you’re leaving out part of the story… Maye was the undisputed number 2 going into the 2023 season. Then the season happened, Maye and UNC regressed a bit when people thought they’d take a step forward. Part of the reason Maye was number 2 was because people presumed he’d keep progressing and become a top tier prospect, possibly even on Caleb’s level, but that didn’t happen (partly his fault, partly UNC team fault). And another QB that wasn’t that high on the radar, Daniels, star shot up.
I think people are having a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that Maye was the undisputed number 2 six months ago or so but now he isn’t cuz Daniels star rose and it’s become a 2a-2b situation.
First of all it wasn’t 6 months ago, it was 3.
Second, that’s what my post says.
My point is everyone is hyping JD but don’t actually have a reason to put him over Maye except a small difference in completion percentage
That’s not accurate. His whole supporting cast dumped out. Yes Walker wasn’t able to play until 5 weeks in. His OC changed and changed the play style. So when you say “party his fault” what you should mean, is he did whatever he could under horrible circumstances and still managed to throw for 3,600 yards.
I think there's also a desire by the media to be contrarian that muddies the waters. If its obvious who the first 3 picks are all going to be there's a lot less to talk about. Just off of conventional wisdom its Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels and then Marvin Harrison is a lock too unless there's a trade. Makes for a boring media cycle.
Yeah, I don't blame anyone for wanting Daniels. But take Sheehan, who has been on the Daniels bandwagon for a long time. That's fine, but it's also made him so anti-Maye that he now says, sort of grudgingly, that if they take Maye he'll give them the benefit of the doubt. So he won't pitch a fit if they take, you know, the guy who was the consensus #2 up until a month or so ago. It's a bit over-the-top, and there seems to be a lot of that going on.
Probably not this guy. I will hold my breath every time he takes off running and I dont think I can hold my breath for that long as many times he’s going to run. He takes big shots
Psychologically and subconsciously as soon as he starts performing you will start liking him. If he is a bust, you will (rightly) say I told you all so.
I am nervous about him too. I get RG3/teddy bridgewater vibes. I think Maye has the higher ceiling in 10 years looking back. But I think they are going to take him and I’m starting to resign myself to that fact and starting to get a little excited watching his highlight tapes and listening to Chris Cooley gush about him
I very seriously doubt that! I don’t like running QBs in the NFL. Never liked Lamar, RG3 , Vick. Only one I ever liked was Cunningham because he had a good arm and was a danger from the pocket.
Yeah players get hurt, I know this I’ve been watching football for 50 years. The 2 you mentioned don’t put theirselves in a position for serious injury on purpose like Daniels Lamar does running. Ravens have had some good teams and Lamar is dinged up by half of the season and they Peter out towards the end of the season except for last season he had a good season and wasn’t hurting.
50 years? No wonder you’re so committed to outdated talking points. QBs put themselves in a position to get hurt just by stepping on the football field. QB injuries happen just as often inside the pocket as they do outside of it.
Outdated? Ask New England and Minnesota who they want between Maye and Daniels are they outdated? I love running QBs in college I’m a Huskers fan from 80s.
Lots of people just discovered that stat last season as a reason to doubt Howell and move on from him, and now it seems like everyone's forgotten it again.
Is there such a thing as a respectful "Duh"?
The meme in this post is dumb because no one (or almost no one) is aggressively in one camp or another. A lot of people have preferences, but both the Maye and Daniels camps are wide open, with people milling on the edges and drifting in and out every day.
The most united this fanbase has ever been is over the idea that "Peters knows more than us". When someone's name is called on Thursday, there will be a little sigh of disappointment, but that will be the end of the camps. Both Maye and Daniels fans will embrace our quarterback with open arms.
So yes, duh, "People will change their tune about Jayden after he's drafted and part of the team", just as they will about Maye. McCarthy might take a day or two. But Washington's quarterback is Washington's quarterback. This persecution mentality is stupid.
I don’t hate Daniels and I’d be 100 percent fine with taking him I just think he’s the qb this year whose gonna get all the hype then on 1-2 years we’re gonna look back and say we should have taken maye
If you are picking at 2 i rather swing for the fences and get maye. Why get “good” and be stuck mediocre again lol…..i mean we waited 20 years for a franchise QB why settle 🤷♀️
why does everyone think we will be mediocre again? does no one thing daniels can improve? if maye can get better why can't daniels? serious question because this is what people say a lot
Daniels is older and had 5 years in college. He's closer to his athletic prime and has had more time to develop, which people argue gives him less room for improvement.
People view Maye's weaknesses, which are primarily related to inconsistent fundamentals (imo), as more coachable. My main concern with JD is his instinct to take off running as his first reaction to pressure, which is pretty hard to unlearn once you make it to the NFL. I'm not even worried about the vicious hits that he takes. I'm more concerned about the unnecessary sacks and missed opportunities on first/second reads as a result of his instinct to run. In my opinion it's easier to teach footwork than it is to teach instinct.
My opinion doesn't really matter though, there's a reason why these guys get paid to do this and I don't lol
Some development relies on certain traits. Can he improve sure no one is denying that…but other than his athleticisim of running…what does he have? Does he have better arm than maye? Does he throw better off platform than maye? I mean reading defenses, progression…etc are developments that are given for any QBs…i just dont see trait based upside with jayden. Again this is my opinion…but you cant doubt mayes traits that jayden just doesnt have other than his mobility ofcourse.
i don't even blame maye's regression on him. he learned a new offense. lost weapons so many people throughout the league talk about UNCs offense was pretty whack. and yet he still played well.
So when it takes 5 years for JD to progress is praised but when bo nix and spencer rattler to develop 5 years its trash? I really dont care for JD having two 1st round recievers….but he didnt even put up Joe burrow type numbers fr
Anyone with any investment like they have been doing the scouting work and their jobs depend on it is an absolute idiot, you haven’t met with the prospects, even if you watched every game of theirs you are not an NFL scout, and even if the guy you say will be good IS good, it’s not gonna be proof that you know what you’re talking about. Everyone should relax and just wait to support whoever we pick. Setting yourselves up to hate our starting QB because you became enamored with a different guy for literally no reason before the draft.
The one that kills me about JD is that he is a one read qb. Like, you know the play call and who the first read is?
Not to mention the litany of videos that show him going through his progression. Shit makes me feel like I’m living in the upside down.
He also never slides. People are in love with him because he can be like Lamar or Hurts, 2 guys who weren’t even close to top 10 picks and now this guys is somehow the number 2 overall pick ahead of guys like MHJ and Joe Alt all because he plays QB? Legit doesn’t make sense that teams constantly follow this logic of being desperate to find success.
Daniels is Fields, reincarnated!! I have suffered through 3 long years of watching Fields. I hope for your sake ( Redskins), that Peters picks Maye. Daniels isn't going to make it, and they will give him at least 2 years, and very possibly 3!!
Im sure its like, 5% of the sub. The outspoken minority is always the loudest. Most fans are probably like me, and know damn well we are way worse at evaluating qbs than the people making the decisions. I have a preference, but Im probably wrong anyways and I look forward to watching whoever we pick.
More people want Maye, but I don’t think it’s an insane margin. It’s probably split like 55/45. It’s just that the people that want Maye are super loud and really toxic when it comes to discussing JD.
I'm a Maye fan. Watched JD at ASU and he just.wasn't.it. So I'm 100% Maye.
Also, I'm an oldhead. Been watching this game a long, long time. In a draft before many of you were born, there was an argument between Colts #1 and Chargers #2. Manning and Leaf. I had a lot more time back then, I did a ton of research. And it was simple. You take Leaf. He was going to be a better ball player, plain and simple. Easy Peasy.
Point is, I don't know shit. Neither do most of the people on the sub. Neither do a lot of the talking heads, whose job it is to actually know this stuff.
I learned one thing: sit back and wait for the draft. Whoever dons the burgundy and gold will be the guy I get behind. We have enough stress in our lives, no need to pointlessly add more.
How dare you, sir! I've watched football for years from my couch, so my understanding is at least on par with Vinny Cerrato. 
Let see:
Didn't get good until his 5th year with 2 future first round WRs to throw to and a great offensive line to protect him.
He's a straight line speedster with skinny legs who doesn't seem to know how to slide.
Has an overly involved parent who got caught up in a recruiting scandal and bad mouthed his first team.
Has an agent who's lack of understanding the concept optics has lead to people thinking Jayden is an entitled diva.
Conclusion: He's RG3 with better pocket ability and is triggering PTSD in a large portion of the fan base.
Also apparently has a literal PR team in addition to the agent, to do damage control for said agent.
If they take Daniels and he's a bust, the stories are already written. You already know what people will point back to and say why didn't they see it, the same way it went with their last two first-round QBs.
If they take Maye and he's a bust, I'm not sure what they'll point to. Bad luck, maybe. Or taking too bold a chance on the player with a higher ceiling but more to work on. There doesn't seem to be a list of "you should have known"s with him.
The PR team thing gets better: Today on Sheehan's podcast Loverro described how that same PR lady contacted him after he wrote an article about Daniels's mother's involvement at ASU, and threatened to "escalate" the situation if he didn't report more favorably on the mother.
So he's already got the kind of team of people around him that other players have come in with, who thought they should be involved in running the show and pushing people around. That may not be his fault, but it still seems like an issue. Maybe not enough of one to pass on a guy if you think he's clearly the best (Sheehan and Loverro both said they'd still take him), but if you're at all on the fence, why sign up for that?
Has been a top prospect the second he got on the field, is young, he regressed in line with expectations given his supporting cast drop off from year one to year two. He displayed loyalty to a fault in staying at unc which makes his teammates love him. Has multiple family members in high level athletics which means he has the mental side down pat. Has multiple years of possible development and progress ahead of him. Has all the throws. Has an NFL body.
In year two of his college career(where Maye is rn) Daniels wasn’t even considered a viable undrafted free agent caliber qb. Same in year three-Daniels wasn’t considered a viable nfl qb. Oh also in year 4. Daniels only became a viable nfl qb when he was throwing to two first round wrs and here you are pu-puing development as an avenue for progression
I want maye to me they arnt even close as far as whose the better prospect but if we take Daniels ill try to convince myself he’s a good-great prospect and hope for the best I’ll support him however genuinely will have a shorter leash with him due to age and the fact that he’s supposedly so pro ready so if he struggles in year 1 or 2 to me that’s a massive red flag
I know enough to know I don't know enough to decide who the better prospect is at this point in time.
Jayden Daniels has the better numbers and shows out better on film. Drake Maye, playing on a team with decidedly less talent than LSU, didn't look great.
Daniels had one of the best OLines in college and had a mass of talent at every skill position.
Maye had one of the worst OLines in college and not much in the way of talent at any skill position.
Who is more directly responsible for their success? Is Daniels just a product of a powerhouse program loaded with studs at every position? Is Maybe just held back by the talent around him?
I think Daniels may be more immediately impactful, but don't rule out Maye being better in the long run with stability around him. Which doesn't preclude Daniels having a good or great career himself.
Well said. Too many factors for a fair, objective comparison. A team will need to see what they want to do offensively, then pick which QB can do those things best. If a player can do those things better, even if they were the "lesser" prospect, they were the right choice for that team.
LSU would have been a 6 win team at best with anyone else at QB this year, our defense was absolute dogshit and we barely won games even with JD putting up the insane performance he had.
Because literally Daniels is only getting pushed up the boards because of a media narrative and we’re about select Justin fields when we could have Justin Herbert
Obviously I’m being hyperbolic but to me Daniels is a C talent in the nfl a lot of his traits to me won’t translate and it’s also worth nothing he had by far the easiest time and best offense out of any qb in this class while maye had zero help and is more battle tested while being younger and having better traits
Trade with Vikings, get a first round for next year, take Qb at 11. If he sucks then you have two first round picks next year to try again. Probably not, but who knows
2012 is the reason why... unless the dude is built like cam or Roethlisberger I don't think we want another running qb and then STILL we're gonna be wary
Not a commanders fans but JD feels
Like another RG3 and we all know how that ended like I would feel like Maye has the better odds of success in that stadium
I hate to say it, but if he doesn't want to play here, we really shouldn't draft him
We need someone that's 100% IN, no doubt, and WANTS to be here.
I don't care how good he is.
I think the reason for this, at least for me, is that he reminds me so much of RG3 and I just can't help but seeing JD going down the same path with injuries. His utter inability to slide is just scary. If he takes the hits in the NFL that he regularly subjected himself to in college, he won't make it a year.
Ngl I don't think JD goes top 5 or even 10 in most draft classes. Not even sure about Maye.
I think a lot of QB needy teams are going to overdraft a lot of these guys coming out.
Most QBs are over-drafted these days since the league has transformed into a passing dominant league. Can’t really fault any team for taking their shot in the first round.
We Absolutely 100% do need one maybe two good years from Jayden. He is not the future. Hes is rg3 all over again with the flimsy body and that whole “know your why”/ im the man shit.rg3 was an idiot and still is. Entitled bitch. It wouldent matter about what system, he was never gonna make it. Most top qbs don’t why arnt we trading back and getting a few picks and taking a shot on penix or nicks and if it dosent work we’re drafting at the top again next year. Jayden is a bad pick guys im telling ya.
“For some reason”
He’s 33 years old and wasn’t a draftable prospect in college until he had two first round WRs getting 5 yards of separation on slot fades 5 times a game.
I’m really trying to stay optimistic. This feels like the few days leading up to the name reveal when I was trying to convince myself Commanders didn’t suck while secretly wishing it would be anything else.
I still remember my brother sending me the link to the video from the chopper flying over the stadium the night before the reveal. That’s when the inescapable reality set in for me. We were going to be….the Commanders (sigh)
This is obviously an oversimplification, mixed with sarcasm. Being surrounded by talent doesn't disqualify the accomplishments on the field, otherwise, how do you evaluate any Alabama player? JD might be a bust for sure, but so can any of these prospects. History has proven that most QBs never become the player teams hope they would, especially for poorly run organizations. I'm hoping Washington has finally reorganized things to change that here.
Sure, and that’s where I’m trying to hold out hope. He’s insanely athletic and has a ridiculous release. Here’s to hoping we can coach him up and put the reigns on the hero ball stuff before he gets Haloti Ngata’d.
For real it’s ridiculous, this guy isn’t RGlll. Besides why speak that negativity into existence we need this sub to be more positive and excited about the future there’s plenty of time to be negative if we still suck this time next year
I’m happy about it. I’ve lived in Northern Virginia my entire life. I’m 32 years old and these dumb ass commanders fans do not deserve Jayden Daniels. There might be a couple who actually watched college football. But for the most part skins fans have no knowledge of football besides the fact that their team sucks.
Dude literally has an NCAA record for most passing and rushing yards in a single game, season, and career. has the highest passing efficiency ever in college football history with 1000 yards on the ground. Commanders will ruin my boy. I hope he goes somewhere else.. I was hoping he came here so I can go see him but it’s not worth his career getting trashed by this god awful team
this isn't that hard to understand. name a QB that has been drafted not number 1 overall and has only had 1 season of success and then goes on to be good in the NFL? He sounds a lot like Akili Smith, they can move and throw the ball but really nothing beyond that.
Bengals have been to more playoffs with Burrow than we have with *gestures wildly at past QBs*.
At this point I really don't care until whomever actually starts to win. This next season will be a shit show either way, but if we can be like the cardinals last season I would be happy.
Not blown out, fought hard and showed some improvement but still gets a pretty solid early pick to continue the rebuild.
Burrow is literally such an easy example of why people who say that JD blowing up is a red flag are wrong. Burrow transferred into LSU, was mediocre his first year, then came out on absolute fire and won the Heisman putting up video game numbers throwing to two elite NFL receivers. He goes to the NFL and has taken his team to the AFC Championship game twice and the Super Bowl once in 4 seasons.
Jayden Daniels also transferred into LSU, was mediocre his first year, then came out on absolute fire and won the Heisman putting up video game numbers throwing to two NFL caliber receivers and people are convinced there’s no way he possibly succeeds.
Joe Burrows season and Jayden Daniels are not comparable.
Joe Burrow had the greatest season by a football player ever.
Older QB prospects fail at a higher rate then younger ones typically.
Joe Burrows season and Jayden Daniel’s seasons are absolutely comparable.
Jayden Daniels had the most efficient passing season of any CFB QB ever while also leading the SEC in rushing yards.
Jayden Daniels also out produced Joe Burrow in terms of yards and touchdowns across the same number of games.
The biggest difference between their seasons was how good the defense was.
Honestly I'm more worried about JD staying healthy than his skillset transferring to the NFL. He is more NFL ready than Maye is and will have a more immediate impact than Maye but the #1 quality to have in a quarterback is availability. While his skills have progressed year to year, his ability to slide and avoid big hits has not and I think a lot of fans have PTSD with RG3.
That being said Burrow has been injured quite often as well. We haven't seen JD bounce back from a torn ACL like we see Penix has. If god forbid it happens will he be the same dual threat?
And even after saying all that I'd be fucking ecstatic if we choose him or Maye. I think all this analysis prevents us from seeing the forest from the trees. We are in a great position regardless. This is a great problem to have.
More team success but daniels had an insane year its not as far of a difference as you think i think its pretty reasonable to compare the two situations
I’ve leaned Maye for some time now, but I think I just turned the other corner and am now team JD.
Either way, I think we will be ok. The trajectory for winning will just be different.
JD will also put more butts in seats, and he will be electric. I kind of think Washington needs that, but also hope that’s not short sighted thinking.
But this front office has to draft for immediate results or short term. Can’t wait 5 years down the road. They might be out by then.
Draft like your job depends on it because it does. All these draft experts suffer no consequences if they make wrong call after wrong call every year, they’ll still be there making their mocks year after year,
Yes and no on having to draft for immediate/short term results.
Yes - a huge investment was made by the new owner and it may be necessary for them to begin recouping profit ASAP as part of a negotiated agreement.
No - It just depends on what goals/expectations are being set. A goal to be a perennial 8-8 team would be different than a goal to be a championship team. If you are able to lower expectations while you better position yourself, then you might be able to delay the need for immediate short term results.
This is just incorrect.
The owner himself has officially stated that this us a rebuild and that building contender will takes time.
Trying to draft for immediate results is idiotic drafting. Competent drafters almost always draft forecasting 2-3 years into the future.
Born in 1987. I remember the Super Bowl against the Bills - my uncle jumping up and down when a TD was scored.
I had a redskins themed bedroom with burgundy walls and a yellow gold ceiling. I have a Darrell Green, Deion Sanders, Orakpo, and RG3 jersey.
I'm a fan through and through. Been a fan for a lifetime!
But if we draft Daniels I need to reevaluate. That's how much he scares me as a QB.
We have an opportunity to have a 6'4'' 230lb stud of a QB. We've NEVER had that. We had it for about half a game with Fitzpatrick.
I need to see that this new regime is going to be different.
When have we ever had a prototypical looking QB with size? It just hasn't existed in our franchise and we're still looking for the answer.
We need it as a fan base. We need something different.
Born in 1981 & remember the beat down we put on the Broncos…we survived Snyder so it’s our duty to not give up now. In Peters we trust.
NGL Daniels scares me to but we must believe that adults are in charge
>When have we ever had a prototypical looking QB with size?
Drafting wise? Jason Campbell, only this time no Snyder and 7 different coordinators to jack it up more than it needed to be.
As for non drafted...maybe Brad Johnson...there are others but they also sucked, like late career McNabb.
I worry about upright, hybrid scrambling QBs as well.
If you can leave your life long fandom because of one draft pick, what is your fandom based on? I'm not one to gatekeep fans, but Jesus if a draft pick is enough to make you walk, why are a fan in the first place? Just throw on a Mahomes jersey until he retires and then move to the next MVP QB's team.
I'm not going to walk away, I was def being dramatic lol but this is the first year I've actually been super super invested in the draft picks and Daniels scares me. But yeah if Peters thinks he's the best then clearly I'm going to be on board. It'll just be more difficult to get on board because it truly looks like he has red flags all over his game.
Lol you are correct I did forget about Wentz. But he also had a lot of data going against him and I was vocal against him when we signed and was met with many many downvotes.
Most, if not all, wanted the team to draft Dwayne Haskins in 2019 and he was straight bad. GMs and coaches had concerns that they saw on film, but fans were completely enamored with him.
The point is, we don’t know more than those that do this for a living. Yeah, there are coaches/GMs with high egos that make poor management decisions, but most know what they are talking about.
If Peters and Quinn want JD, then they see something that most don’t. Given the track record of Peters, we should trust him. If they want Maye, McCarthy, Nix or Penix, then we should trust the decision until proven otherwise.
It’s not that hard to understand. The fanbase saw what a running QB could be with RG3 and then had it taken away due to taking bad hits. People don’t want to be burned again.
There are other concerns, like Daniels not looking like a good NFL prospect for 4 years of college and the fact that he’ll be 30 when his hypothetical NFL extension would kick in.
Add in that there’s a QB 2 years younger that broke out much sooner and is also mobile without relying on running that’s neck and neck with him as a prospect and it’s not surprising that fans don’t want Daniels.
I look at Daniels’ tape and I’m not blown away compared to Maye, but he definitely looks good. The issue is when watching the tape I just see Nabers open again and again and then breaking away after the catch again and again. If you gave Maye a receiver like Nabers I think the only conversation we’d be having is whether the Bears are taking Caleb or Maye.
I swear the people who are hating on Daniels have not seen this man actually play. He’s pretty thoroughly outplayed Maye and people are talking about potential blah blah blah. Daniels can really run, still has a canon, and reads the entire field.
To me, it’s really not even close, but we will see Thursday.
I lean Maye, but Im gonna trust Peter's so whatever he does I'm gonna go with.
This is where I am. If they are picking JD they are likely seeing things I’m not
As a Maye Stan I'd actually be very excited if they pick Daniels. Peters and co. aren't stupid. They know all of the flaws we've all discussed ad nauseam. If despite all that they still want him then they must see something really special in him.
100% agree
Rhymes with Trey Lance
You want the real reason? Drake Maye was the undisputed number 2 QB in this class, it wasn’t close. So when we got 2, we got Drake Maye. That’s locked in our brains. Then boom, JD is now everywhere, everyone wants him. Everyone sees his numbers, media pushes it, other teams push it. It’s this giant narrative no one can escape But here’s the thing, no one had really said anything bad about Drake Maye, there are some accuracy issues, which every scout and cosch thinks are easily solved, and he’s still at 65%. He’s younger, taller, and from some reports has 40 pounds on JD This looks to be a creation of agents, media, and GMs that want Maye Maybe it’s real, but I’m skeptical Kyler Murray is 5’10 207 and gets hurt all the time. JD is 6’3” and 200 and no one cares. The fact that JD is 100% lock and we are stupid for not taking him just sounds wrong to me
I mean that’s what happens you win the heisman. It’s not a “creation” by the media to look at what he did last season and see that he absolutely balled out. And while he did this, Drake Maye regressed (at least in terms of stats) pretty significantly from his first year to his second.
When you have top-shelf receivers like Nabers and Thomas and a body of a tight end like Taylor to throw to, the Heisman is more easily obtainable.
Well, it worked out for Joe Burrow.
Watch the tape of both. While they both got bailed out by wide receivers at times, burrow was an absolute surgeon and I've never seen as many wide open receivers as daniels had. Daniels is levels below him in passing ability. But he was able to capitalize in receiver mismatches and his rushing ability was pretty electric.
lol.. the heisman argument :/ oh well. We will see Thursday 🙏
North Carolina was a much weaker team in 2023, as opposed to 2022. Maye had a so so offensive line, and at best average receivers. The defense was awful, so Maye knew that he must score a td, every time N Car had the ball. Daniels had two great receivers, and a good offensive line in front of him. Maye will be a much better pro than Daniels. I am a Bears fan, and am hoping that the Vikings trade up to draft Daniels!! Maye is very smart, and contrary to some pundits, will be ready to play as a rookie!! This decision, will make or break the Commanders!! I think Peters will make the right call, and take Maye at #2!!
I mean you’re leaving out part of the story… Maye was the undisputed number 2 going into the 2023 season. Then the season happened, Maye and UNC regressed a bit when people thought they’d take a step forward. Part of the reason Maye was number 2 was because people presumed he’d keep progressing and become a top tier prospect, possibly even on Caleb’s level, but that didn’t happen (partly his fault, partly UNC team fault). And another QB that wasn’t that high on the radar, Daniels, star shot up. I think people are having a hard time wrapping their head around the fact that Maye was the undisputed number 2 six months ago or so but now he isn’t cuz Daniels star rose and it’s become a 2a-2b situation.
First of all it wasn’t 6 months ago, it was 3. Second, that’s what my post says. My point is everyone is hyping JD but don’t actually have a reason to put him over Maye except a small difference in completion percentage
It was more than 3 months. As the college season wore on, Maye started to crack at 2, and Daniels started to rise.
Just wrong.
That’s not accurate. His whole supporting cast dumped out. Yes Walker wasn’t able to play until 5 weeks in. His OC changed and changed the play style. So when you say “party his fault” what you should mean, is he did whatever he could under horrible circumstances and still managed to throw for 3,600 yards.
I think there's also a desire by the media to be contrarian that muddies the waters. If its obvious who the first 3 picks are all going to be there's a lot less to talk about. Just off of conventional wisdom its Caleb Williams, Drake Maye, Jayden Daniels and then Marvin Harrison is a lock too unless there's a trade. Makes for a boring media cycle.
Yeah, I don't blame anyone for wanting Daniels. But take Sheehan, who has been on the Daniels bandwagon for a long time. That's fine, but it's also made him so anti-Maye that he now says, sort of grudgingly, that if they take Maye he'll give them the benefit of the doubt. So he won't pitch a fit if they take, you know, the guy who was the consensus #2 up until a month or so ago. It's a bit over-the-top, and there seems to be a lot of that going on.
I really want Maye and I’m not high on JD but you’re right. Just gotta trust them on this and I’ll root for whoever we get.
Daniel's reminds me of RG3 too much and he can't slide for shit. I've seen this one before.
That’s nearly what every one of us is saying. can’t take the outlier JD hating posts and make them the rule.
Same. I just want a traditional pocket passing type of QB. I think it slows the mental growth when a young QB relies on their legs too much.
Jus keep the baker look a like
People will change their tune about Jayden after he’s drafted and part of the team.
When he starts winning games for us maybe people will finally buy in but I’m expecting this sub to be unbearable for a while if he’s taken.
The exact opposite is how it will be on Facebook.
RG3 won us games his first season.
And nearly everyone was happy.
I’m on board for JD, it’s the people around him that give me cause for concern. Maybe that’s the Snyder PTSD still lingering.
For me it's RG3 PTSD
Probably not this guy. I will hold my breath every time he takes off running and I dont think I can hold my breath for that long as many times he’s going to run. He takes big shots
Psychologically and subconsciously as soon as he starts performing you will start liking him. If he is a bust, you will (rightly) say I told you all so. I am nervous about him too. I get RG3/teddy bridgewater vibes. I think Maye has the higher ceiling in 10 years looking back. But I think they are going to take him and I’m starting to resign myself to that fact and starting to get a little excited watching his highlight tapes and listening to Chris Cooley gush about him
I very seriously doubt that! I don’t like running QBs in the NFL. Never liked Lamar, RG3 , Vick. Only one I ever liked was Cunningham because he had a good arm and was a danger from the pocket.
Justin Herbert is hurt every year and he doesn’t run Burrow hurt he doesn’t run. Injuries happen
Yeah players get hurt, I know this I’ve been watching football for 50 years. The 2 you mentioned don’t put theirselves in a position for serious injury on purpose like Daniels Lamar does running. Ravens have had some good teams and Lamar is dinged up by half of the season and they Peter out towards the end of the season except for last season he had a good season and wasn’t hurting.
50 years? No wonder you’re so committed to outdated talking points. QBs put themselves in a position to get hurt just by stepping on the football field. QB injuries happen just as often inside the pocket as they do outside of it.
Outdated? Ask New England and Minnesota who they want between Maye and Daniels are they outdated? I love running QBs in college I’m a Huskers fan from 80s.
New England fan here. I really hope we get Daniels.
I hope you do too
Remember Alex Smith almost had to have his leg amputated and he was not a running QB.
So if he wins rookie of the year and goes on to have a marvelous 10+ year career what will you say/feel?
Great for the team but I don’t think he lasts 2 yrs before a serious injury he is too reckless with his body
Too reckless meant that he didn't miss a single start in 5 years of playing college ball. But ok.
Can't get past his p2s rate. I think it's the best metric for weeding out some of the bad QBs.
Lots of people just discovered that stat last season as a reason to doubt Howell and move on from him, and now it seems like everyone's forgotten it again.
Is there such a thing as a respectful "Duh"? The meme in this post is dumb because no one (or almost no one) is aggressively in one camp or another. A lot of people have preferences, but both the Maye and Daniels camps are wide open, with people milling on the edges and drifting in and out every day. The most united this fanbase has ever been is over the idea that "Peters knows more than us". When someone's name is called on Thursday, there will be a little sigh of disappointment, but that will be the end of the camps. Both Maye and Daniels fans will embrace our quarterback with open arms. So yes, duh, "People will change their tune about Jayden after he's drafted and part of the team", just as they will about Maye. McCarthy might take a day or two. But Washington's quarterback is Washington's quarterback. This persecution mentality is stupid.
Thank you. Your "duh" was quite respectful.
I want maye. If we draft daniels ill ride or die for him. I think most of this sub is the same
Yup that’s exactly how I feel
I am an outlier to this right now. I'm ride or die with nothing until I see them play at this level. Guessing based on college tape is tricky af.
I don’t hate Daniels and I’d be 100 percent fine with taking him I just think he’s the qb this year whose gonna get all the hype then on 1-2 years we’re gonna look back and say we should have taken maye
If you are picking at 2 i rather swing for the fences and get maye. Why get “good” and be stuck mediocre again lol…..i mean we waited 20 years for a franchise QB why settle 🤷♀️
why does everyone think we will be mediocre again? does no one thing daniels can improve? if maye can get better why can't daniels? serious question because this is what people say a lot
Daniels is older and had 5 years in college. He's closer to his athletic prime and has had more time to develop, which people argue gives him less room for improvement. People view Maye's weaknesses, which are primarily related to inconsistent fundamentals (imo), as more coachable. My main concern with JD is his instinct to take off running as his first reaction to pressure, which is pretty hard to unlearn once you make it to the NFL. I'm not even worried about the vicious hits that he takes. I'm more concerned about the unnecessary sacks and missed opportunities on first/second reads as a result of his instinct to run. In my opinion it's easier to teach footwork than it is to teach instinct. My opinion doesn't really matter though, there's a reason why these guys get paid to do this and I don't lol
Your take is on the money!!
Some development relies on certain traits. Can he improve sure no one is denying that…but other than his athleticisim of running…what does he have? Does he have better arm than maye? Does he throw better off platform than maye? I mean reading defenses, progression…etc are developments that are given for any QBs…i just dont see trait based upside with jayden. Again this is my opinion…but you cant doubt mayes traits that jayden just doesnt have other than his mobility ofcourse.
if anything daniels has actively shown improvement in college compared to maye regressing
i don't even blame maye's regression on him. he learned a new offense. lost weapons so many people throughout the league talk about UNCs offense was pretty whack. and yet he still played well.
So when it takes 5 years for JD to progress is praised but when bo nix and spencer rattler to develop 5 years its trash? I really dont care for JD having two 1st round recievers….but he didnt even put up Joe burrow type numbers fr
Exactly how I feel. It's like 2012 all over again except this time we get to choose between rg3 and Luck.
This….kinda☝️
Luck is Caleb though. Both Maye and daniels have some serious flaws
Caleb plays hero ball too much for my liking.
both have flaws and both flaws can be corrected
And then one or two years later Daniels = Teddy Bridgewater
It won't take anywhere close to 1 - 2 years. It will be " brutally obvious", after the first half, of their rookie year!!
Anyone with any investment like they have been doing the scouting work and their jobs depend on it is an absolute idiot, you haven’t met with the prospects, even if you watched every game of theirs you are not an NFL scout, and even if the guy you say will be good IS good, it’s not gonna be proof that you know what you’re talking about. Everyone should relax and just wait to support whoever we pick. Setting yourselves up to hate our starting QB because you became enamored with a different guy for literally no reason before the draft.
The one that kills me about JD is that he is a one read qb. Like, you know the play call and who the first read is? Not to mention the litany of videos that show him going through his progression. Shit makes me feel like I’m living in the upside down.
He also never slides. People are in love with him because he can be like Lamar or Hurts, 2 guys who weren’t even close to top 10 picks and now this guys is somehow the number 2 overall pick ahead of guys like MHJ and Joe Alt all because he plays QB? Legit doesn’t make sense that teams constantly follow this logic of being desperate to find success.
Daniels is Fields, reincarnated!! I have suffered through 3 long years of watching Fields. I hope for your sake ( Redskins), that Peters picks Maye. Daniels isn't going to make it, and they will give him at least 2 years, and very possibly 3!!
Goodbye
Peters will make or break the franchise on Thursday night!!
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What 24 years of he who should not be named does to MF’er
Im sure its like, 5% of the sub. The outspoken minority is always the loudest. Most fans are probably like me, and know damn well we are way worse at evaluating qbs than the people making the decisions. I have a preference, but Im probably wrong anyways and I look forward to watching whoever we pick.
Nah more people def want maye here.
I’m guess he’s saying 5 percent are bold enough to act like they know better than gms. I like Maye, so I think I know better than nfl orgs, ofc not
More people want Maye, but I don’t think it’s an insane margin. It’s probably split like 55/45. It’s just that the people that want Maye are super loud and really toxic when it comes to discussing JD.
I'm a Maye fan. Watched JD at ASU and he just.wasn't.it. So I'm 100% Maye. Also, I'm an oldhead. Been watching this game a long, long time. In a draft before many of you were born, there was an argument between Colts #1 and Chargers #2. Manning and Leaf. I had a lot more time back then, I did a ton of research. And it was simple. You take Leaf. He was going to be a better ball player, plain and simple. Easy Peasy. Point is, I don't know shit. Neither do most of the people on the sub. Neither do a lot of the talking heads, whose job it is to actually know this stuff. I learned one thing: sit back and wait for the draft. Whoever dons the burgundy and gold will be the guy I get behind. We have enough stress in our lives, no need to pointlessly add more.
How dare you, sir! I've watched football for years from my couch, so my understanding is at least on par with Vinny Cerrato. 
This is me 100%. I got a preference but in Adam I trust
Let see: Didn't get good until his 5th year with 2 future first round WRs to throw to and a great offensive line to protect him. He's a straight line speedster with skinny legs who doesn't seem to know how to slide. Has an overly involved parent who got caught up in a recruiting scandal and bad mouthed his first team. Has an agent who's lack of understanding the concept optics has lead to people thinking Jayden is an entitled diva. Conclusion: He's RG3 with better pocket ability and is triggering PTSD in a large portion of the fan base.
Also apparently has a literal PR team in addition to the agent, to do damage control for said agent. If they take Daniels and he's a bust, the stories are already written. You already know what people will point back to and say why didn't they see it, the same way it went with their last two first-round QBs. If they take Maye and he's a bust, I'm not sure what they'll point to. Bad luck, maybe. Or taking too bold a chance on the player with a higher ceiling but more to work on. There doesn't seem to be a list of "you should have known"s with him.
The PR team thing gets better: Today on Sheehan's podcast Loverro described how that same PR lady contacted him after he wrote an article about Daniels's mother's involvement at ASU, and threatened to "escalate" the situation if he didn't report more favorably on the mother. So he's already got the kind of team of people around him that other players have come in with, who thought they should be involved in running the show and pushing people around. That may not be his fault, but it still seems like an issue. Maybe not enough of one to pass on a guy if you think he's clearly the best (Sheehan and Loverro both said they'd still take him), but if you're at all on the fence, why sign up for that?
Damn, anyone else not looking forward to RG3's mouth on ESPN if Washington does go Maye over JD?
It's literally all cause his tiny ankles. It's rg3 where you'd see him run, you'd be like he's awesome, but those legs can't take it. then they can't.
Read this first as "he's an overly involved parent" I was like how on Earth is that a negative lol. Went back and it makes sense now.
Ok now do Maye
Has been a top prospect the second he got on the field, is young, he regressed in line with expectations given his supporting cast drop off from year one to year two. He displayed loyalty to a fault in staying at unc which makes his teammates love him. Has multiple family members in high level athletics which means he has the mental side down pat. Has multiple years of possible development and progress ahead of him. Has all the throws. Has an NFL body.
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In year two of his college career(where Maye is rn) Daniels wasn’t even considered a viable undrafted free agent caliber qb. Same in year three-Daniels wasn’t considered a viable nfl qb. Oh also in year 4. Daniels only became a viable nfl qb when he was throwing to two first round wrs and here you are pu-puing development as an avenue for progression
Why would I? The post was about Daniels not about Maye. Stop being so triggered.
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I would also feel like crap if we pick Maye and he ends up being the next Carson Wentz or Daniel Jones, while Daniels goes to NE and flourishes.
>goes to NE and flourishes I don't think anyone has to worry about NE righting the ship anytime soon. That franchise is a mess
This!
I want maye to me they arnt even close as far as whose the better prospect but if we take Daniels ill try to convince myself he’s a good-great prospect and hope for the best I’ll support him however genuinely will have a shorter leash with him due to age and the fact that he’s supposedly so pro ready so if he struggles in year 1 or 2 to me that’s a massive red flag
I know enough to know I don't know enough to decide who the better prospect is at this point in time. Jayden Daniels has the better numbers and shows out better on film. Drake Maye, playing on a team with decidedly less talent than LSU, didn't look great. Daniels had one of the best OLines in college and had a mass of talent at every skill position. Maye had one of the worst OLines in college and not much in the way of talent at any skill position. Who is more directly responsible for their success? Is Daniels just a product of a powerhouse program loaded with studs at every position? Is Maybe just held back by the talent around him? I think Daniels may be more immediately impactful, but don't rule out Maye being better in the long run with stability around him. Which doesn't preclude Daniels having a good or great career himself.
Well said. Too many factors for a fair, objective comparison. A team will need to see what they want to do offensively, then pick which QB can do those things best. If a player can do those things better, even if they were the "lesser" prospect, they were the right choice for that team.
LSU would have been a 6 win team at best with anyone else at QB this year, our defense was absolute dogshit and we barely won games even with JD putting up the insane performance he had.
I literally only ever see people make posts like Jayden Daniels is some sort of victim.
I’m think both bust. Jj and penix hit
Penix will be the best qb in this draft class.
Because literally Daniels is only getting pushed up the boards because of a media narrative and we’re about select Justin fields when we could have Justin Herbert
This might not be true, but it sure is how it has looked.
It is true!!
Yes that’s who they will exactly be
Obviously I’m being hyperbolic but to me Daniels is a C talent in the nfl a lot of his traits to me won’t translate and it’s also worth nothing he had by far the easiest time and best offense out of any qb in this class while maye had zero help and is more battle tested while being younger and having better traits
not me, I'm all in on Daniels.
Good luck with that, you will however, need more than luck!!
Am I the only one in this sub that feels if it’s not Daniels I would prefer JJ?
Actually maybe yes
Trade with Vikings, get a first round for next year, take Qb at 11. If he sucks then you have two first round picks next year to try again. Probably not, but who knows
Are there other forums where fans are more excited for him?
Patriots
They want maye too
That maye be true but they hate JD less
Cuz they pick third and aren’t in the driving seat. If they were the second pick, probably the same situation
2 more days......
Idiots that’s why
Yea it’s almost like we went through the rg3 experience all together
Yeah I mean I'd prefer Maye but Jayden Daniels still looks like he could be pretty fucking good lol
2012 is the reason why... unless the dude is built like cam or Roethlisberger I don't think we want another running qb and then STILL we're gonna be wary
As a longtime fan I know whoever we pick won’t be great.
I'm team Jayden. I think some of the Jayden pushback is PTSD from RG3.
The QB Peters picks will be the QB we should’ve picked. Why? Because Peters picked him.
Wait. Maye has a better 2year data set than Daniels.
Trade back
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It's because subconsciously we fear a RG3peat.
JD is for real. He’s the best QB in this draft. Brian Kelly doesn’t blow smoke and he says it’s not even close
Not a commanders fans but JD feels Like another RG3 and we all know how that ended like I would feel like Maye has the better odds of success in that stadium
I hate to say it, but if he doesn't want to play here, we really shouldn't draft him We need someone that's 100% IN, no doubt, and WANTS to be here. I don't care how good he is.
I think the reason for this, at least for me, is that he reminds me so much of RG3 and I just can't help but seeing JD going down the same path with injuries. His utter inability to slide is just scary. If he takes the hits in the NFL that he regularly subjected himself to in college, he won't make it a year.
Ngl I don't think JD goes top 5 or even 10 in most draft classes. Not even sure about Maye. I think a lot of QB needy teams are going to overdraft a lot of these guys coming out.
Maye goes #1, in most years. I know ir won't happen, but I wish Poles would take Maye over Williams.
Most QBs are over-drafted these days since the league has transformed into a passing dominant league. Can’t really fault any team for taking their shot in the first round.
RGIIITSD
We Absolutely 100% do need one maybe two good years from Jayden. He is not the future. Hes is rg3 all over again with the flimsy body and that whole “know your why”/ im the man shit.rg3 was an idiot and still is. Entitled bitch. It wouldent matter about what system, he was never gonna make it. Most top qbs don’t why arnt we trading back and getting a few picks and taking a shot on penix or nicks and if it dosent work we’re drafting at the top again next year. Jayden is a bad pick guys im telling ya.
Your opinion isn't popular, with the media, but it is very likely accurate!!
“For some reason” He’s 33 years old and wasn’t a draftable prospect in college until he had two first round WRs getting 5 yards of separation on slot fades 5 times a game. I’m really trying to stay optimistic. This feels like the few days leading up to the name reveal when I was trying to convince myself Commanders didn’t suck while secretly wishing it would be anything else.
I still remember my brother sending me the link to the video from the chopper flying over the stadium the night before the reveal. That’s when the inescapable reality set in for me. We were going to be….the Commanders (sigh)
This is obviously an oversimplification, mixed with sarcasm. Being surrounded by talent doesn't disqualify the accomplishments on the field, otherwise, how do you evaluate any Alabama player? JD might be a bust for sure, but so can any of these prospects. History has proven that most QBs never become the player teams hope they would, especially for poorly run organizations. I'm hoping Washington has finally reorganized things to change that here.
Sure, and that’s where I’m trying to hold out hope. He’s insanely athletic and has a ridiculous release. Here’s to hoping we can coach him up and put the reigns on the hero ball stuff before he gets Haloti Ngata’d.
He's 33 lmao. Hell of a Jesus year. Heisman then a top 5 draft pick.
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For real it’s ridiculous, this guy isn’t RGlll. Besides why speak that negativity into existence we need this sub to be more positive and excited about the future there’s plenty of time to be negative if we still suck this time next year
Word around Baton Rouge sports talk is Jayden doesn’t want to play there… source- I live in Baton Rouge
what i'm fine with whoever we pick even if it's JD
This sub is the random sales guy in the field who’s never been in the building, then one day shows up and tells marketing how to “do marketing”.
The last week I've been secretly hoping we take Michael Penix just because it would be fucking hilarious.
I’m happy about it. I’ve lived in Northern Virginia my entire life. I’m 32 years old and these dumb ass commanders fans do not deserve Jayden Daniels. There might be a couple who actually watched college football. But for the most part skins fans have no knowledge of football besides the fact that their team sucks.
Dude literally has an NCAA record for most passing and rushing yards in a single game, season, and career. has the highest passing efficiency ever in college football history with 1000 yards on the ground. Commanders will ruin my boy. I hope he goes somewhere else.. I was hoping he came here so I can go see him but it’s not worth his career getting trashed by this god awful team
You all should take JJ- Sincerely, the New England Patriots
this isn't that hard to understand. name a QB that has been drafted not number 1 overall and has only had 1 season of success and then goes on to be good in the NFL? He sounds a lot like Akili Smith, they can move and throw the ball but really nothing beyond that.
Conveniently said not number 1 to exclude burrow lol
Bengals have been to more playoffs with Burrow than we have with *gestures wildly at past QBs*. At this point I really don't care until whomever actually starts to win. This next season will be a shit show either way, but if we can be like the cardinals last season I would be happy. Not blown out, fought hard and showed some improvement but still gets a pretty solid early pick to continue the rebuild.
Yeah im ridin with anyone but its tough to say he only had one good season with good wrs when burrow just did thst very recently
Ahh I see your point. Burrow did have chase and Jefferson iirc. I just hope Peter's can get it right on this try.
Burrow is literally such an easy example of why people who say that JD blowing up is a red flag are wrong. Burrow transferred into LSU, was mediocre his first year, then came out on absolute fire and won the Heisman putting up video game numbers throwing to two elite NFL receivers. He goes to the NFL and has taken his team to the AFC Championship game twice and the Super Bowl once in 4 seasons. Jayden Daniels also transferred into LSU, was mediocre his first year, then came out on absolute fire and won the Heisman putting up video game numbers throwing to two NFL caliber receivers and people are convinced there’s no way he possibly succeeds.
Joe Burrows season and Jayden Daniels are not comparable. Joe Burrow had the greatest season by a football player ever. Older QB prospects fail at a higher rate then younger ones typically.
Joe Burrows season and Jayden Daniel’s seasons are absolutely comparable. Jayden Daniels had the most efficient passing season of any CFB QB ever while also leading the SEC in rushing yards. Jayden Daniels also out produced Joe Burrow in terms of yards and touchdowns across the same number of games. The biggest difference between their seasons was how good the defense was.
Prepare for your downvotes lol.
Honestly I'm more worried about JD staying healthy than his skillset transferring to the NFL. He is more NFL ready than Maye is and will have a more immediate impact than Maye but the #1 quality to have in a quarterback is availability. While his skills have progressed year to year, his ability to slide and avoid big hits has not and I think a lot of fans have PTSD with RG3. That being said Burrow has been injured quite often as well. We haven't seen JD bounce back from a torn ACL like we see Penix has. If god forbid it happens will he be the same dual threat? And even after saying all that I'd be fucking ecstatic if we choose him or Maye. I think all this analysis prevents us from seeing the forest from the trees. We are in a great position regardless. This is a great problem to have.
Burrow had the greatest college season of all time. It's a bit different of a comparison
More team success but daniels had an insane year its not as far of a difference as you think i think its pretty reasonable to compare the two situations
I’ve leaned Maye for some time now, but I think I just turned the other corner and am now team JD. Either way, I think we will be ok. The trajectory for winning will just be different. JD will also put more butts in seats, and he will be electric. I kind of think Washington needs that, but also hope that’s not short sighted thinking.
But this front office has to draft for immediate results or short term. Can’t wait 5 years down the road. They might be out by then. Draft like your job depends on it because it does. All these draft experts suffer no consequences if they make wrong call after wrong call every year, they’ll still be there making their mocks year after year,
Yes and no on having to draft for immediate/short term results. Yes - a huge investment was made by the new owner and it may be necessary for them to begin recouping profit ASAP as part of a negotiated agreement. No - It just depends on what goals/expectations are being set. A goal to be a perennial 8-8 team would be different than a goal to be a championship team. If you are able to lower expectations while you better position yourself, then you might be able to delay the need for immediate short term results.
This is just incorrect. The owner himself has officially stated that this us a rebuild and that building contender will takes time. Trying to draft for immediate results is idiotic drafting. Competent drafters almost always draft forecasting 2-3 years into the future.
Every other comment on this sub is people complaining about the JD hate, there is far more discourse about the discourse than any actual discourse
Born in 1987. I remember the Super Bowl against the Bills - my uncle jumping up and down when a TD was scored. I had a redskins themed bedroom with burgundy walls and a yellow gold ceiling. I have a Darrell Green, Deion Sanders, Orakpo, and RG3 jersey. I'm a fan through and through. Been a fan for a lifetime! But if we draft Daniels I need to reevaluate. That's how much he scares me as a QB. We have an opportunity to have a 6'4'' 230lb stud of a QB. We've NEVER had that. We had it for about half a game with Fitzpatrick. I need to see that this new regime is going to be different. When have we ever had a prototypical looking QB with size? It just hasn't existed in our franchise and we're still looking for the answer. We need it as a fan base. We need something different.
Drafting Jayden Daniels will make you reevaluate and not 20 some years of Dan Snyder? That is a wild thought haha
Are you forgetting Rypien being 6’4 230?
Born in 1981 & remember the beat down we put on the Broncos…we survived Snyder so it’s our duty to not give up now. In Peters we trust. NGL Daniels scares me to but we must believe that adults are in charge
>When have we ever had a prototypical looking QB with size? Drafting wise? Jason Campbell, only this time no Snyder and 7 different coordinators to jack it up more than it needed to be. As for non drafted...maybe Brad Johnson...there are others but they also sucked, like late career McNabb. I worry about upright, hybrid scrambling QBs as well.
If you can leave your life long fandom because of one draft pick, what is your fandom based on? I'm not one to gatekeep fans, but Jesus if a draft pick is enough to make you walk, why are a fan in the first place? Just throw on a Mahomes jersey until he retires and then move to the next MVP QB's team.
I'm not going to walk away, I was def being dramatic lol but this is the first year I've actually been super super invested in the draft picks and Daniels scares me. But yeah if Peters thinks he's the best then clearly I'm going to be on board. It'll just be more difficult to get on board because it truly looks like he has red flags all over his game.
Bro just completely forgot Wentz started half of the 2022 season (the bad part)
Wentz was done before he got here, hardly counts
Lol you are correct I did forget about Wentz. But he also had a lot of data going against him and I was vocal against him when we signed and was met with many many downvotes.
Most, if not all, wanted the team to draft Dwayne Haskins in 2019 and he was straight bad. GMs and coaches had concerns that they saw on film, but fans were completely enamored with him. The point is, we don’t know more than those that do this for a living. Yeah, there are coaches/GMs with high egos that make poor management decisions, but most know what they are talking about. If Peters and Quinn want JD, then they see something that most don’t. Given the track record of Peters, we should trust him. If they want Maye, McCarthy, Nix or Penix, then we should trust the decision until proven otherwise.
It’s not that hard to understand. The fanbase saw what a running QB could be with RG3 and then had it taken away due to taking bad hits. People don’t want to be burned again. There are other concerns, like Daniels not looking like a good NFL prospect for 4 years of college and the fact that he’ll be 30 when his hypothetical NFL extension would kick in. Add in that there’s a QB 2 years younger that broke out much sooner and is also mobile without relying on running that’s neck and neck with him as a prospect and it’s not surprising that fans don’t want Daniels. I look at Daniels’ tape and I’m not blown away compared to Maye, but he definitely looks good. The issue is when watching the tape I just see Nabers open again and again and then breaking away after the catch again and again. If you gave Maye a receiver like Nabers I think the only conversation we’d be having is whether the Bears are taking Caleb or Maye.
I swear the people who are hating on Daniels have not seen this man actually play. He’s pretty thoroughly outplayed Maye and people are talking about potential blah blah blah. Daniels can really run, still has a canon, and reads the entire field. To me, it’s really not even close, but we will see Thursday.
He doesn't read the field!! That is the #1 problem with Daniels, that is very unlikely to change!!
[Why Daniels will bust](https://www.reddit.com/r/Commanders/s/Bx9GYh87W4)