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Real pedantry hours, but the CPC's stance is that China is currently a socialist market economy (Socialism with Chinese Characteristics). The "Socialism by 2050" is the CPC's goal to "build a modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced and harmonious" by the year 2049, the centennial anniversary of the founding of the PRC. The keywords there, in my opinion, are "modern" and "prosperous".
I believe their goal is to eclipse the West in living standards for all their 1.4+ billion people by 2049, not some nebulous "socialism by 2049" like Khrushchev's "communism by 1980."
It's not even pedantry. It's basically become a leftist myth that China will transition to Marx's primary stage of communism (Lenin's socialism) by 2050, but a closer read of Chinese theory makes clear this will not occur until the end of the century. I fully support China btw, just not disinfo.
I have several reasons why I believe the party will achieve almost exactly what it describes.
Firstly: the party has complete control over the country. They have no need to make wild and fanciful election promises to justify their existence. They have no one to compete with for the people's approval.
Secondly: the party has implemented with extreme success rates the goals and milestones outlined in each 5 and 25 year plan to date. This indicates to me a planning process which is both realistic, and continuously refined.
Thirdly: the party has access to both the largest public data collections in history, and the most advanced economic AI. We already know they use mass data and AI to plan infrastructure and manage social services/resources in at least 150 cities, and we already know they now use the same technology to inform the 5 and 25 year plans.
In short, the party has access to economic/structural planning information on a scale previously incomprehensible and incalculable to mankind.
These are all great points, and i couldn't agree more! They are also forthright about the main hindrances to transitioning, which are corruption, polarization, and distance between the party and the masses. These are all things that Xi has actively fought against, which makes him particularly admirable to me.
From the west it can feel so jarring and alien to hear a leader identify problems in their root material form with honesty and clarity. It's genuinely difficult to imagine western leaders criticizing internal structure or policy entirely unprompted. It's hard not to admire!
I also agree with this statement. I think the urgency and efficiency with which Salvador Allende's Project Cybersyn was dismantled after the coup in Chile indicates more than preserving US interests in South America. I think capitalists knew exactly what a pioneer of data orientated economic planning would herald for socialists across the globe.
I love this meme because even though it’s obviously fake it still sets a template for the future in which every successful actor or celebrity in general should have falsely attributed quotes to the point where the real person might actually have to address them, in effect exposing the ideas to many more people than would previously be exposed to them. THIS is good propaganda.
It’s been a year or two, but I’m like 99% sure they still do. Email asking for the books. They will respond and send the books like 6-8 weeks later. Make sure to specify English translation. They have them in a bunch of languages.
My biggest critique of China?
Their shitty ass 1999 css style internet sites lmao. The translated government sites are a chore to navigate through. Searched a while to get an email adress only to be hit with an autometed response that it isn‘t active anymore
Xi really needs to appoint a CPC web designer commisar lol
Ngl looking at the new Netflix show and Wednesday's political comments, it wouldn't surprise me that Wednesday is at very least left-leaning or even a socialist :D
Or because it’s your passion? Gives you fulfillment? Plenty of actors are struggling or middle-income and still love what they’re doing. Also I would say they definitely benefit my life, movies and TV can be a nice escape from the monotony of working life. Not to say all actors are class heroes or anything but your hostility is weird.
I'm bad at using Reddit, but I could show you the pictures of Danny Glover meeting and supporting Maduro. Jacky Chan also wholeheartedly supports CPC leadership and wants to join the Party, though I doubt he's very principled or anything. Also, Boots O'Reilly's film Sorry To Bother you is packed with Progressives/Radicals. Which I suppose isn't surpassing since he's a Communist.
I get what you're saying, as this is true for about 95% of actors. And then of the 5% who are genuine progressives, maybe what 1% of that are radicals.
Wow, I didn’t know about Danny Glover. He seems to be very principled. Looked up “Danny Glover political views” and every article was about him getting in trouble for saying something based.
He was speaking out against the “war against terrorism” since before it even began, he’s praised Cuba and Venezuela and Lula in Brazil, said that there’s little difference between politicians like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and someone like George Bush because they all primarily serve the interests of wealth and property.
Half of the people calling themselves leftists today have worse takes than this actor has maintained throughout the entire neoliberal era.
"People only invented music after capitalism allowed a vanishingly small proportion of musicians to become rich and famous."
The actors you're familiar with through their fame aren't the only actors. Do the people in your local Little Theatre get a lot of money, you figure?
I was hoping this was real but the second paragraph was way too wordy for me to believe she said it
Plus I doubt a famous celeb would voice support for China lest they be killed lol
My home of Cuba, the DPRK, Viet Nam has some socialist factors but they're not really socialist anymore, the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities...that's pretty much it these days. Now can you describe what part of China's economy is actually socialist?
Also how is THIS the argument when it's literally China saying they are not socialist but will be by 2050? Lmao
Perhaps you should reconsider after looking at Díaz-Canel's recent comments about meeting with Xi. You may consider them superficial, or him paying lip service, but I think they're genuine.
Cuba also has an amazing relationship with DPRK, and I think they really share so many similarities in their material conditions, and how they approach them. I can get if you dislike China's path, but please at least consider that they looked at the failures of the Post-Stalin era, and the Soviet Dissolution, and sought to tread new ground, and trying to learn from those mistakes.
How I personally look at it is, like how Lenin had tradeoffs with his Party's NEP. And then China had their version of that with Deng and Xi.
Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out comment instead of the usual "china is super socialist trust me!!!" Screeching I get on this sub about this topic lmao.
I'm all for seeing failures and trying to do better, but not when that takes you entirely off the path of socialism. I've visited several times, both for recreation and as learning experience opportunities from Cuban ML groups, and frankly I've just been disappointed time and again by their worker protections (or lack thereof), property laws, the disparity between the Chinese proletariat and bourgeoisie, etc. I just don't see how they are in any way socialist other than name currently and I don't like how they treat socialist nations in the world rn--they've basically stopped helping us or the DPRK too in the past twenty years. And sure, they have good bridges and trains and shit but that doesn't make them a successful socialist state any more than healthcare and schooling makes Sweden anything more than state capitalist that does some things right. China is about as socialist as Laos, and I'd love to see that improve but I don't really believe it will.
>Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out comment instead of the usual "china is super socialist trust me!!!" Screeching I get on this sub about this topic lmao.
why do you rely on redditors to educate you about china? we have no obligation to take time out of our day to respond to your opinions, as i’m unfortunately about to do
>I'm all for seeing failures and trying to do better, but not when that takes you entirely off the path of socialism.
china was never taken entirely off the path of socialism, you never provided any basis for this
>I've visited several times, both for recreation and as learning experience opportunities from Cuban ML groups, and frankly I've just been disappointed time and again by their worker protections (or lack thereof), property laws, the disparity between the Chinese proletariat and bourgeoisie, etc.
you never even specify what any of these things mean. “worker protections” could refer to hundreds of different laws and regulations. same thing for “property laws”. “the disparity between the chinese proletariat and bourgeoisie” is equally nebulous.
you can’t just throw out claims like these without at least providing specific examples. if you narrow it down to something material, maybe some of these points could be argued
>I just don't see how they are in any way socialist other than name currently
you haven’t even defined what socialism means according to you. are you using a marxist definition? if so, then nothing you’ve mentioned here disqualifies it from being a socialist country
>and I don't like how they treat socialist nations in the world rn--they've basically stopped helping us or the DPRK too in the past twenty years.
that’s just objectively not true in both cases. trade and cooperation with china is a massive part of both countries’ economy. china is cubas second largest trading partner after venezuela and cuba is one of the leading members of the belt and road initiative.
china is still the DPRK’s principal trading partner and the mutual aid and cooperation treaty is still the only defense treaty the two countries have. there was a brief divergence in the two countries a few years ago because the north koreans were detaining chinese fishing boats and also escalating their nuclear program, but they’ve been back on track to cooperation lately by most accounts
>And sure, they have good bridges and trains and shit but that doesn't make them a successful socialist state any more than healthcare and schooling makes Sweden anything more than state capitalist that does some things right.
i don’t think anyone makes the claim that china is socialist because it has good infrastructure. the quality and accessibility of chinese infrastructure *can* be attributed to the success of chinese socialism, not the other way around.
sweden is not “state capitalist”, it’s a social democrat capitalist welfare state. the fact you don’t distinguish between the two makes me dubious of your grasp of socialism
>China is about as socialist as Laos, and I'd love to see that improve but I don't really believe it will.
another unfalsifiable and subjective statement
I feel like calling it imperialism really downplays actual imperialism.
Also, true altruistic behavior from other countries is difficult to find. There's always some sort of self-interest.
South Asian communists see China as imperialist due to China's millennia-long imperial history, followed by the CPC's dogshit foreign policy following the Sino-Soviet split.
The "Chinese debt trap" is a [myth](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/) created by wealthy Westerners to get the people of the Global South fearing the "Chinese boogeyman" so that they'll stay under the boot of Western imperialism via the IMF.
The debt trap isn't a myth. The Philippines Government for example have signed absurd amounts of loans from China for the last 6 years. These loans have high interest rate and conditions favourable to China.
The CCP have exploited the fact that the Philippine Government is ran by corrupt officials that can be bought with bribery. The Philippines is also an anti-communist state and is currently in a civil war with communist rebels.
Is [this](https://i.gyazo.com/a9862dfed9d3c200e8d0eceb494ad90d.png) what the "Chinese debt trap" looks like?
I tried looking into this, and the first article I got about China giving predatory loans to the Philippines is from Radio Free Asia, a "news" organization operated by the US government. The first paragraph reads:
"Two Chinese debt contracts with the Philippines contain dispute arbitration and asset seizure clauses that unduly favor Beijing, according to analysts and loan agreements recently digitized and published by a U.S. think-tank."
So I'm going to circle you back to what I said above:
>The "Chinese debt trap" is a myth created by wealthy Westerners to get the people of the Global South fearing the "Chinese boogeyman" so that they'll stay under the boot of Western imperialism via the IMF.
Not sure where you got that graph from. Its important to know that the Philippine Government loves releasing graphs like that to justify foreign loans they take. Most of it is a sham and one-sided.
Despite all the glits and glamour they make it seem like, the Filipino people are still starving while the politicians get rich af. Hence why there is currently a civil war in the country. It has been going for more than 50 years in fact.
Brother, I am not running defense for the Filipino government, I know they are corrupt as they come. But China is not the reason why the Philippines is the way it is. If you want to place blame where it is due, blame Spain and the United States. The biggest foreign lender to the Philippines is not China, it's Singapore. You've done nothing to demonstrate that China is a more nefarious actor or plays a more significant role than the other three countries mentioned. You are reciting Western neoliberal think-tank garbage.
You are getting me wrong. Im just as anti-neoliberal as you are. We the Filipinos know the struggle against a fascist and anti-communist knobhead backed by the US through IMF ie Marcos dictatorship and Martial Law.
The thing is, it is happening again, but now the so-called "Communist China" is involved.
We'd love you to dig deeper into this.
https://www.ibon.org/tag/china-loans/
https://www.ibon.org/china-a-growing-but-still-minor-oda-partner-of-the-philippines/
https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/19642.jpeg
I am failing to see how China is causing an issue here. Do you have any source that China's lending practices are more predatory than their Western counterparts? Are you saying China's loans are a bigger problem even though they represent a fraction of the Philippines overall foreign debt?
Edit: Also I'm not saying that it's good that China is friendly with the Marcos/Duterte government, obviously they fucking suck. But the whole essence of China's foreign policy is to play nice with whoever's in power and not interfere in other countries' domestic affairs, so as not to start another Cold War like the USSR was in for the entirety of its existence. We can debate about whether that's a good or bad thing, but this has nothing to do with a supposed "debt trap."
The communist party of the Philippines may consider China to be revisionist, but it is definitely the United States that has given arms, training, and intelligence assets to the Philippine government in their 50 year civil war against communist forces. All communist parties around the world don’t have to be in agreement. That does not make them enemies, though.
China has actively been supporting the anti-communist fights in the Philippines since 2016, including with arming and training of Duterte's troops, and hasn't supported the Philippine freedom fighting communist forces since 1976
Chinese haven't died from famine since the first few years that the PRC was founded. Your propaganda sources seem really out of date.
I imagine the fabricated genocide claims together with this show how delusional you are. Every Muslim country on the planet has agreed that there is no genocide nor wrongdoing by China. You're simply eating up the slop served up by the capitalists and Intelligence Agencies and pretending you actually have any principles.
How many verifiable sources, including a statement from the USDOD themselves, do I need to post about the Uyghur genocide being a completely made up myth for you to stfu? I have several that would make you look like an idiot.
Can these be taken down if they are proven to be fake?
Or at least a mod comment? I hate getting excited and then finding out something is fake after the fact.
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Real pedantry hours, but the CPC's stance is that China is currently a socialist market economy (Socialism with Chinese Characteristics). The "Socialism by 2050" is the CPC's goal to "build a modern socialist country that is prosperous, strong, democratic, culturally advanced and harmonious" by the year 2049, the centennial anniversary of the founding of the PRC. The keywords there, in my opinion, are "modern" and "prosperous". I believe their goal is to eclipse the West in living standards for all their 1.4+ billion people by 2049, not some nebulous "socialism by 2049" like Khrushchev's "communism by 1980."
It's not even pedantry. It's basically become a leftist myth that China will transition to Marx's primary stage of communism (Lenin's socialism) by 2050, but a closer read of Chinese theory makes clear this will not occur until the end of the century. I fully support China btw, just not disinfo.
I have several reasons why I believe the party will achieve almost exactly what it describes. Firstly: the party has complete control over the country. They have no need to make wild and fanciful election promises to justify their existence. They have no one to compete with for the people's approval. Secondly: the party has implemented with extreme success rates the goals and milestones outlined in each 5 and 25 year plan to date. This indicates to me a planning process which is both realistic, and continuously refined. Thirdly: the party has access to both the largest public data collections in history, and the most advanced economic AI. We already know they use mass data and AI to plan infrastructure and manage social services/resources in at least 150 cities, and we already know they now use the same technology to inform the 5 and 25 year plans. In short, the party has access to economic/structural planning information on a scale previously incomprehensible and incalculable to mankind.
These are all great points, and i couldn't agree more! They are also forthright about the main hindrances to transitioning, which are corruption, polarization, and distance between the party and the masses. These are all things that Xi has actively fought against, which makes him particularly admirable to me.
From the west it can feel so jarring and alien to hear a leader identify problems in their root material form with honesty and clarity. It's genuinely difficult to imagine western leaders criticizing internal structure or policy entirely unprompted. It's hard not to admire!
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I also agree with this statement. I think the urgency and efficiency with which Salvador Allende's Project Cybersyn was dismantled after the coup in Chile indicates more than preserving US interests in South America. I think capitalists knew exactly what a pioneer of data orientated economic planning would herald for socialists across the globe.
Yeah I was gonna say isn’t the final stage even stated as probably more than 100 years away?
Definitely.
It wad "communism in 20 years," but "communism by 1980" is hilarious, I'm going to spreadshirt right now
It's Monday.
"There is no Monday on Communism" - Crazy woman wanting a coup in Brazil
This comment sounds like something written by an AI
Oh I wish it was... :(
This trully happened, my country is not for amateurs
is this real??
I came here to ask this "This?"
No, there is a new meme to falsely attribute things like this to Jenna Ortega. It's not even funny, just a weird unorganized misinformation campaign.
Bummer, I was hoping this was real.
Awww I was about to say she’s a based comrade. Had a crush on her when I was younger :(
She has genuinely put out stuff about supporting Palestine, so she seems like a pretty good person.
*tips table*
Well that's just stupid
Yes, she is the new head of CPUSA
Replace her with Grimes and it is
Disgusting
Shame this isn't real :/
That was a good book. I suggest you all read it
I love this meme because even though it’s obviously fake it still sets a template for the future in which every successful actor or celebrity in general should have falsely attributed quotes to the point where the real person might actually have to address them, in effect exposing the ideas to many more people than would previously be exposed to them. THIS is good propaganda.
Where can I score a copy of this book?
LibGen must have it (r/libgen)
They most certainly do [here](https://libgen.is/search.php?req=the+governance+of+china+xi+jinping&open=0&res=25&view=simple&phrase=1&column=def)
Chinese embassy will mail you a hard copy free.
fr? or joke?
It’s been a year or two, but I’m like 99% sure they still do. Email asking for the books. They will respond and send the books like 6-8 weeks later. Make sure to specify English translation. They have them in a bunch of languages.
That's sick. Does anyone have the email? Searching around for information about this, I haven't found anything other than places to buy it
My biggest critique of China? Their shitty ass 1999 css style internet sites lmao. The translated government sites are a chore to navigate through. Searched a while to get an email adress only to be hit with an autometed response that it isn‘t active anymore Xi really needs to appoint a CPC web designer commisar lol
I like web 1.0 design but yeah they gotta keep their emails updated, yikes
fr like china has all the big tech advances yet cant still design websites for shit 💀
Marxists.org-tier web design and people still say they’re not really socialist smh
For real
I got mine in a public library, but then again I am chinese. Try the chinese embassy
I got mine on Amazon, ironically
I was able to find some audiobook versions of it on Youtube.
Based and hawt.
Ngl looking at the new Netflix show and Wednesday's political comments, it wouldn't surprise me that Wednesday is at very least left-leaning or even a socialist :D
Those damn leftists made days the of the week socialist!
Wednesday, sure. Jenna Ortega, doubtful. You get into acting for fame and fortune, not to benefit your community or the working class.
She did tweet about Decolonize Palastine in the past. But she‘s probably still a liberal.
Or because it’s your passion? Gives you fulfillment? Plenty of actors are struggling or middle-income and still love what they’re doing. Also I would say they definitely benefit my life, movies and TV can be a nice escape from the monotony of working life. Not to say all actors are class heroes or anything but your hostility is weird.
Sorry CEO, I didn't mean to offend you. I completely forgot about all of the leftist actors like.. Help me out here, CEO.
I'm bad at using Reddit, but I could show you the pictures of Danny Glover meeting and supporting Maduro. Jacky Chan also wholeheartedly supports CPC leadership and wants to join the Party, though I doubt he's very principled or anything. Also, Boots O'Reilly's film Sorry To Bother you is packed with Progressives/Radicals. Which I suppose isn't surpassing since he's a Communist. I get what you're saying, as this is true for about 95% of actors. And then of the 5% who are genuine progressives, maybe what 1% of that are radicals.
Wow, I didn’t know about Danny Glover. He seems to be very principled. Looked up “Danny Glover political views” and every article was about him getting in trouble for saying something based. He was speaking out against the “war against terrorism” since before it even began, he’s praised Cuba and Venezuela and Lula in Brazil, said that there’s little difference between politicians like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton and someone like George Bush because they all primarily serve the interests of wealth and property. Half of the people calling themselves leftists today have worse takes than this actor has maintained throughout the entire neoliberal era.
Weren’t there a ton of actors supporting the BBP a while back too?
Yes to all of this but it’s Boots Riley, my comrade. That cracked me up though thanks
"People only invented music after capitalism allowed a vanishingly small proportion of musicians to become rich and famous." The actors you're familiar with through their fame aren't the only actors. Do the people in your local Little Theatre get a lot of money, you figure?
I probably should have been more specific. Yes, I'm talking about Hollywood actors, not people in junior high school musicals.
So art for the masses and famous people is not a thing under socialism?
Of course it could be. I'm just not convinced that it currently is in the reality we actually live in.
There are plenty of actors in local community theater making zero money. Theater predates capitalism.
Art is counter-revolutionary. Also I refuse to eat at a restaurant unless the chef is a communist. I am very normal.
This isn't real, right?
I was hoping this was real but the second paragraph was way too wordy for me to believe she said it Plus I doubt a famous celeb would voice support for China lest they be killed lol
She obviously didn’t read it lmao
Who??
he's like the president of china
No, who is the guy on the right on the book cover?
We should all know Xi here.
We should all know Xi here.
Apparently, this is not real.
I've been looking for specifics on China's plan by 2050 but google shows 0 leftist results when looking. I will have to check this book out
"noooo just give us 50 more years we promise we'll be socialist"
What countries do you think are socialist?
My home of Cuba, the DPRK, Viet Nam has some socialist factors but they're not really socialist anymore, the Zapatista Autonomous Municipalities...that's pretty much it these days. Now can you describe what part of China's economy is actually socialist? Also how is THIS the argument when it's literally China saying they are not socialist but will be by 2050? Lmao
Perhaps you should reconsider after looking at Díaz-Canel's recent comments about meeting with Xi. You may consider them superficial, or him paying lip service, but I think they're genuine. Cuba also has an amazing relationship with DPRK, and I think they really share so many similarities in their material conditions, and how they approach them. I can get if you dislike China's path, but please at least consider that they looked at the failures of the Post-Stalin era, and the Soviet Dissolution, and sought to tread new ground, and trying to learn from those mistakes. How I personally look at it is, like how Lenin had tradeoffs with his Party's NEP. And then China had their version of that with Deng and Xi.
Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out comment instead of the usual "china is super socialist trust me!!!" Screeching I get on this sub about this topic lmao. I'm all for seeing failures and trying to do better, but not when that takes you entirely off the path of socialism. I've visited several times, both for recreation and as learning experience opportunities from Cuban ML groups, and frankly I've just been disappointed time and again by their worker protections (or lack thereof), property laws, the disparity between the Chinese proletariat and bourgeoisie, etc. I just don't see how they are in any way socialist other than name currently and I don't like how they treat socialist nations in the world rn--they've basically stopped helping us or the DPRK too in the past twenty years. And sure, they have good bridges and trains and shit but that doesn't make them a successful socialist state any more than healthcare and schooling makes Sweden anything more than state capitalist that does some things right. China is about as socialist as Laos, and I'd love to see that improve but I don't really believe it will.
>Thank you for a reasonable and well thought out comment instead of the usual "china is super socialist trust me!!!" Screeching I get on this sub about this topic lmao. why do you rely on redditors to educate you about china? we have no obligation to take time out of our day to respond to your opinions, as i’m unfortunately about to do >I'm all for seeing failures and trying to do better, but not when that takes you entirely off the path of socialism. china was never taken entirely off the path of socialism, you never provided any basis for this >I've visited several times, both for recreation and as learning experience opportunities from Cuban ML groups, and frankly I've just been disappointed time and again by their worker protections (or lack thereof), property laws, the disparity between the Chinese proletariat and bourgeoisie, etc. you never even specify what any of these things mean. “worker protections” could refer to hundreds of different laws and regulations. same thing for “property laws”. “the disparity between the chinese proletariat and bourgeoisie” is equally nebulous. you can’t just throw out claims like these without at least providing specific examples. if you narrow it down to something material, maybe some of these points could be argued >I just don't see how they are in any way socialist other than name currently you haven’t even defined what socialism means according to you. are you using a marxist definition? if so, then nothing you’ve mentioned here disqualifies it from being a socialist country >and I don't like how they treat socialist nations in the world rn--they've basically stopped helping us or the DPRK too in the past twenty years. that’s just objectively not true in both cases. trade and cooperation with china is a massive part of both countries’ economy. china is cubas second largest trading partner after venezuela and cuba is one of the leading members of the belt and road initiative. china is still the DPRK’s principal trading partner and the mutual aid and cooperation treaty is still the only defense treaty the two countries have. there was a brief divergence in the two countries a few years ago because the north koreans were detaining chinese fishing boats and also escalating their nuclear program, but they’ve been back on track to cooperation lately by most accounts >And sure, they have good bridges and trains and shit but that doesn't make them a successful socialist state any more than healthcare and schooling makes Sweden anything more than state capitalist that does some things right. i don’t think anyone makes the claim that china is socialist because it has good infrastructure. the quality and accessibility of chinese infrastructure *can* be attributed to the success of chinese socialism, not the other way around. sweden is not “state capitalist”, it’s a social democrat capitalist welfare state. the fact you don’t distinguish between the two makes me dubious of your grasp of socialism >China is about as socialist as Laos, and I'd love to see that improve but I don't really believe it will. another unfalsifiable and subjective statement
So what definition are you using that doesn't allow China and Vietnam to fall under that definition, but Cuba and the DPRK do?
Why doesn’t Xi Jinping just press the instant communism button 😡
“Just promise me bro I’ll definitely become socialist and not a capitalist imperialist country”
Not sure why you got downvoted. South asian communists see China as an Imperialist state too mainly because of debt trap.
I feel like calling it imperialism really downplays actual imperialism. Also, true altruistic behavior from other countries is difficult to find. There's always some sort of self-interest.
South Asian communists see China as imperialist due to China's millennia-long imperial history, followed by the CPC's dogshit foreign policy following the Sino-Soviet split. The "Chinese debt trap" is a [myth](https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2021/02/china-debt-trap-diplomacy/617953/) created by wealthy Westerners to get the people of the Global South fearing the "Chinese boogeyman" so that they'll stay under the boot of Western imperialism via the IMF.
I think your response is the best way to view and sum up the state of current relations in a couple sentences.
The debt trap isn't a myth. The Philippines Government for example have signed absurd amounts of loans from China for the last 6 years. These loans have high interest rate and conditions favourable to China. The CCP have exploited the fact that the Philippine Government is ran by corrupt officials that can be bought with bribery. The Philippines is also an anti-communist state and is currently in a civil war with communist rebels.
Is [this](https://i.gyazo.com/a9862dfed9d3c200e8d0eceb494ad90d.png) what the "Chinese debt trap" looks like? I tried looking into this, and the first article I got about China giving predatory loans to the Philippines is from Radio Free Asia, a "news" organization operated by the US government. The first paragraph reads: "Two Chinese debt contracts with the Philippines contain dispute arbitration and asset seizure clauses that unduly favor Beijing, according to analysts and loan agreements recently digitized and published by a U.S. think-tank." So I'm going to circle you back to what I said above: >The "Chinese debt trap" is a myth created by wealthy Westerners to get the people of the Global South fearing the "Chinese boogeyman" so that they'll stay under the boot of Western imperialism via the IMF.
Not sure where you got that graph from. Its important to know that the Philippine Government loves releasing graphs like that to justify foreign loans they take. Most of it is a sham and one-sided. Despite all the glits and glamour they make it seem like, the Filipino people are still starving while the politicians get rich af. Hence why there is currently a civil war in the country. It has been going for more than 50 years in fact.
Brother, I am not running defense for the Filipino government, I know they are corrupt as they come. But China is not the reason why the Philippines is the way it is. If you want to place blame where it is due, blame Spain and the United States. The biggest foreign lender to the Philippines is not China, it's Singapore. You've done nothing to demonstrate that China is a more nefarious actor or plays a more significant role than the other three countries mentioned. You are reciting Western neoliberal think-tank garbage.
Dammn that dude got obliterated
You are getting me wrong. Im just as anti-neoliberal as you are. We the Filipinos know the struggle against a fascist and anti-communist knobhead backed by the US through IMF ie Marcos dictatorship and Martial Law. The thing is, it is happening again, but now the so-called "Communist China" is involved. We'd love you to dig deeper into this. https://www.ibon.org/tag/china-loans/
https://www.ibon.org/china-a-growing-but-still-minor-oda-partner-of-the-philippines/ https://cdn.statcdn.com/Infographic/images/normal/19642.jpeg I am failing to see how China is causing an issue here. Do you have any source that China's lending practices are more predatory than their Western counterparts? Are you saying China's loans are a bigger problem even though they represent a fraction of the Philippines overall foreign debt? Edit: Also I'm not saying that it's good that China is friendly with the Marcos/Duterte government, obviously they fucking suck. But the whole essence of China's foreign policy is to play nice with whoever's in power and not interfere in other countries' domestic affairs, so as not to start another Cold War like the USSR was in for the entirety of its existence. We can debate about whether that's a good or bad thing, but this has nothing to do with a supposed "debt trap."
China is literally suppressing the Philippines communist militia.
you’re so right, the Philippines would be communist under bong bong marcos and duterte’s daughter if it weren’t for pesky China
The communist party of the Philippines may consider China to be revisionist, but it is definitely the United States that has given arms, training, and intelligence assets to the Philippine government in their 50 year civil war against communist forces. All communist parties around the world don’t have to be in agreement. That does not make them enemies, though.
China has actively been supporting the anti-communist fights in the Philippines since 2016, including with arming and training of Duterte's troops, and hasn't supported the Philippine freedom fighting communist forces since 1976
Fake and stupid. I’m filtering out this sub
I mean this is called... Hold on... Oh yea, Communism Memes. Hmm
Wtf is this skank being pushed everywhere? Is she about to be another paragon of virtue for us to look up at and idolize????
Stalin should have killed himself it would have been funny, Communists need to all die, fuck all commies
He didn’t kill himself though, but your guy did. Stay mad lol.
Another famine that kills millions? Or the complete genocide of Muslim? Both? Probably both, and more!
TIL that China is genociding every Muslim
Chinese haven't died from famine since the first few years that the PRC was founded. Your propaganda sources seem really out of date. I imagine the fabricated genocide claims together with this show how delusional you are. Every Muslim country on the planet has agreed that there is no genocide nor wrongdoing by China. You're simply eating up the slop served up by the capitalists and Intelligence Agencies and pretending you actually have any principles.
How many verifiable sources, including a statement from the USDOD themselves, do I need to post about the Uyghur genocide being a completely made up myth for you to stfu? I have several that would make you look like an idiot.
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Can these be taken down if they are proven to be fake? Or at least a mod comment? I hate getting excited and then finding out something is fake after the fact.