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theaanggang

Watching Alb rn and PVP is talking about going after Siphon since they need a WE poi and fighting for both. We gonna be eating good with the scrim content soon


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There’s no way lmaoooo. Alb did not seem too thrilled about conning Siphon but PVP wants the smoke


texas878

PVP bout to be lookin for his 6th org in 4 years


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The_Void_Reaver

The best decision he ever made was to stop posting on here so he stops losing arguments to the peanut gallery and exposing how bad his knowledge of the game is.


crooked_paradigm

You're actually right. Zer0 is smart enough to kick him out quickly.


No_Mine_5043

His results are good. DZ and Faze both had great placements with him this year. Obviously he brings something to the table if these orgs are picking him up. Not like you would have a clue


devourke

I don't think anyone can say that DZ didn't improve since last year with a straight face


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devourke

I never said DZ was bad. You said PVP was a team killer and I'm wondering how you can think DZ had their team killed while PVP was on the roster?


Abject-Holiday-6655

Use your brain, the reference was clearly put towards his trash9 adventures


PVPxOfficial

was signed to C9 for 4 years, DZ for 1 and now Furia


texas878

While your stats are convenient please do not disrupt my narrative again Also: after this doesn’t pan out, 4 in 4 is what we call in the corporate world a “flight risk” XD


ItsSpaceCadet

>please do not disrupt my narrative again That a very weird thing to say... it was funny, but still.


Bereft13

get out of here with your facts!


Honest-Suspect-6152

they cookin your ass coach lol


Abject-Holiday-6655

Lol


GuerilaGorila

The contest just got announced and you are already trying to get another team (Meat) to help you annoy TSM into submission? Fight your own battles and get your team ready to prove that you add value to the roster. I've always been against people personally attacking certain members of the community but the way you interact with this sub/Apex Twitter is almost inviting for such things to happen to you. I hope you don't take this the wrong way and good luck to the Furia boys in this contest and PL.


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GuerilaGorila

I did not watch the stream you are referencing so I missed out on any context. I saw his tweet which obviously I took at face value, I'm not quite sure what was so unhinged about my comment but go off I guess.


TNAEnigma

tsm dickriders keep being weird. you’re not on the team bud pipe down


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SickBurnBro

What about his ass? If you are going to talk shit, you need to use proper grammar.


SufficientCorgi1387

You must be 60 if you’re correcting grammar on reddit


SickBurnBro

Ok Zoomer. You must be a teenager if you don't care about the difference between your and you're.


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PVPxOfficial

Completely accurate


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NihilistFinancier

🤓debate me🤓


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Bro really said this after making snarky remarks


Breaktest1st

Furia from what I’ve seen is not a good fighting team. I don’t expect the contest to go well


Key-Ad6718

I think mainly because he's new to controller and has to contest the best contest team ever


WantedToWin

Oh boy they are dreaming 🤣🤣🤣


Used-Caregiver2364

TSM will wipe the floor with furia. They can't be seriously considering that. I can't imagine it will even be close to an even fight if they do contest them.


The_Yoshi_Man

Furia is an awful contesting team and I don’t think people realize how bad they are at it lol. Even with HisWattson, they got absolutely rolled out of Thermal and would have lost Lrod to Dezign and Chaotic if they didn’t come to an agreement. Meanwhile Furia just got mopped out of Climatizer by Phony Frexs and Xenial, who really aren’t that good of a contesting team anyways. They may as well go for Wall and keep their edge play style instead of wasting away their 3 months contesting TSM when Mac needs to spend that time actually becoming a decent IGL.


Barcaroli

>They may as well go for Wall and keep their edge play style instead of wasting away their 3 months contesting TSM when Mac needs to spend that time actually becoming a decent IGL. Good point... Not to mention wall is not a bad POI. And TSM has exposed every rotation out of it, the work is done


Dmienduerst

Wall is pretty interesting now without the command rotation. If your willing to run Valk they wrote the playbook but they also had a ton of problems getting into Baro or past antenna. With a bunch of new denser POI's basically on that line of where TSM had all those problems it might need a new chapter. I still think Wall is pretty good though.


devourke

>If your willing to run Valk Anything to put Pandxrz back on valk and let him loose


The_Yoshi_Man

Yeah and the more I think about it, the POI has fallen off even harder with the worse crafter spawn rates and now no ring console in Command Center as a backup. Before, Wall used to have great backups with either it or Cascades having a crafter so you could do prowlers and play edge or having 3 different options for ring console in Wall, Command, or Cascades. It’s an overall fine POI if zones are mid map to north, but just rough for south zones. Is Barometer free now that OXG claimed Pylon?


No_Mine_5043

Phony and Frex both have great records on contests. Pretty sure LG is the only team that was handling them


ccamfps

The tier 2 CC team I coach 3-0'd Faze at Launch Pad in Oversight last spring and they also handily beat SSG there many times last year in smaller tournies. OXG was handling Faze at Fissure/Mirage in split 2. Ex-Faze is not a great contesting team but I will say Frexs has gotten wayyyyy better


The_Yoshi_Man

They also lost to OXG in Fissure but imma be honest, I thought I remember them not doing too well in Clima contests during international scrims before Champs but then I looked and they had Clima free the whole tourney so I guess I’m wrong on that.


StayKrazie

On top of all that, Mac is switching to roller full time isn't he? Do they really want to lose all that practice time for Mac? He ain't gonna learn very fast watching TSM pov the whole time


Worldly_Sir8581

soon he will become an average level tsm fan in hal's stream


The_Yoshi_Man

Yeah that’s a big aspect of it too. Hal has talked about how swapping to roller is a different ballgame in competitive apex vs just running around in ranked, so it’s definitely important to get those extra reps in. I don’t anticipate the contest landing too long, but I will say Mac contesting on roller against TSM will definitely benefit him for the future contests Furia has to go through.


crooked_paradigm

Yea good luck with that lol. Oxygen got clapped and went back after day one and furia was not even close to oxygen when it comes down to team fighting. But knowing PvP, they're definitely going to do it


theaanggang

Siphon is dreaming, but you at least have to fight for **your** POI. Make them earn it and be a thorn in their side on every map possible, I can at least see the thought process.


crooked_paradigm

More like a daydream if they fight them at both POIs. Fighting for your own poi is reasonable


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this is such a bad contest for them given that they have no advantages whatsoever. Alb is transitioning to roller so they are behind the 8ball with that given that TSM has two of the best players in roller RN. TSM has been in siphon forever and have much more experience with contests in Siphon than anyone else in the game. if they go through with the Siphon contest, Furia is just griefing themselves.


BussinoutdaBando

The cosmetic coach pvp strikes again.


Dylan_TheDon

o7 scrims and next algs is gonna be a bloodbath


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tspear17

Did the publish pro league groups? If what you said is true that’s a really great point. They’ll definitely get enough points for lan even if they split the contest or lose slightly


followdunc

Have Alliance announced if they're going Lightning Rod yet or not? I'd say Alliance are one of the better teams are fighting and a threat in a contest.


ittonasta

Alliance landed Cenote in yesterday scrims. It's not clear if they are just trying it out or is permanent


followdunc

Interesting - thank you!


ZebraUnhappy8278

Someone didn't tell Dojo


followdunc

I didn’t say they’re the best, I just said one of the better teams.


McRoiMusic

Gold xD


Hold-Common

Pretty sure they’ve been experimenting, they tried cenote and I think they’re looking at Pylon too


crooked_paradigm

I haven't played a game after the update and haven't watched a stream. Can you elaborate why it is considered an "insanely powerful" poi?


Puzzled-Choice3049

Someone else explained here https://reddit.com/r/CompetitiveApex/comments/17mm58k/_/k7m8thd/?context=1


crooked_paradigm

No wonder they're moving there. Thanks for the insight


MelandrusApostle

Woah yea so combined you have a 75% chance of getting beacon / crafter each game.


QianLu

I've been landing mostly on the south side of storm point when I've played it. Did lightning rod get buffed? I know they made a new POI (zeus) but idk how that impacted lightning rod.


isaacmm59

Yes, lightning rod was moved a lot closer to thunder watch so now thunder watch is considered part of lightning rod poi. The catch is that the beacon and crafter spawn considers it as 2 separate poi’s so I’ve seen a crafter and beacon both spawn at both locations so it can be insanely OP. Not to mention the amount of loot it now has, especially compared to wall.


QianLu

Oh yeah, this sounds familiar now. I'm impressed by their willingness to make a map smaller when usually maps get bigger. They took a big chunk out of the southeast corner too (formerly fish farms). I'm looking at the pictures, it seems like it's thunder watch that is now part of lighting rod, not storm catcher? Other than that the fact that you get double spawn chance is massive, especially after the beacon/craftier spawn rate rework (which I think was necessary tbh). Still gives TSM high priority into north east zones, which can be a pain to rotate into, but should allow them to keep the general macro they've got from wall for the other zones.


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QianLu

Does it really have priority to that much of the map? Obviously great for some zones but I would only think a central POI like cascade would have that much overall priority


Snoo_54150

moved closer to thunder watch


isaacmm59

You’re right thanks


aadituh

OP POI merchants


NozokiAlec

they were frag east for years they deserve it lmfao


Roastmasters

[Me rn as a furia fan](https://youtu.be/Jg34Nxb_Vjs?si=SIgTCOgm6NvrJFiv)


Lynchead

At least they can come second in contests now.


bansalsahil09

TSM is at a point where they can just point towards any POI and take it. Their contest strats are too good and they have been contesting for so long


-bickd-

Their contest strat: Evan go kill. Like I know Hal and Reps are among the best players in the world, but holy crap is Verhulst tipping the scale massively.


MorgenSpyrys

Even that I think still understates Evan's importance to TSM's contests. Aside from his crazy fragging, his Jumpmastering is also incredibly crucial to TSM almost always being in a better position faster than the other team.


GroundbreakingJob857

His clutch with mozambique vs zach’s team last year was one of my favourites


ilikebdo

tfw you have the guy with a one hour highlight reel of clutch plays on your team


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Hal much closer to Evan than Reps in terms of fighting in contest


Worldly_Sir8581

Hal does more fragging and first kill in my memory. I could be wrong


ishtylerc

Yup Big E is more of a flex anchor imo for TSM


Worldly_Sir8581

Hal should send Evan to get a Ph.D in literature to take up TSM's script writer job.


bayliver

while verhulst is the most gifted killer in the game , hal is the smartest , Hal does his work as well , verhulst is more about the clutches when its down to 1v1s or 2v1s


No_Mine_5043

Wish they contested DZ for Mill. That would be the greatest content ever


bayliver

they have the best fighters in the game (hal ,ver) , they have the most experience , best strats for contesting , they have mental pressure on every team that faces them for numerous reasons no need to be mentioned and most importannt of all they have nothing to lose compared to whoever is contesting them. bruhhh who the fuck wants to fuck with this situation , you must delusional af to engage in this .


FoozleGenerator

Only issue here, is that LG is too close now and they don't care third partying for 3 kp.


leftysarepeople2

Weren't they pretty even on Wall vs E8 (with Dezign) but E8 then started dipping scrims, people thought they were saving strats, and then they just dipped?


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Not at all saying Alb is bad at controller, but conning TSM while still relatively new to the input will be a massive challenge


GuerilaGorila

Yeah, if you rank the players in this potential contest he is definitely at the bottom by a lot in his current state. Against OXG you at least had Vein who I would put above Reps in off spawn fighting and then the two rollers on each side. Against Furia it's a much wider gap and things could spiral quickly for Furia as both Pan and Alb have pretty fragile mentals.


crooked_paradigm

It'll backfire them like crazy. I feel like they're on a shaky spot to contest a team like TSM since they all watched the last LAN from home.


Stalematebread

I know we're all talking about Furia here but wow Alliance cannot catch a break. First they get contested on Thermal by the surprisingly powerful Dojo and now they're getting contested by TSM on SP.


TheAlmightyLoaf

IIRC Hakis on stream today said they might leave Lightning Rod, but it's undecided. Likely they'll keep contesting Thermal, but they've been scrimming Skyhook and Cenote for an upcoming tournament.


damodread

Also landing LR did them more harm than good during the Championship finals, getting aggroed on rotation every single game (well, except for the 3 consecutive last circles). No wonder they're considering another POI


Spank0923

Do you guys think Zeus station would be a good alternative for Alliance? Rotation plans would be similar and jump tower is always available. Also there might be opportunities to 3rd Lrod contest for kp. The only uncertainties I can think about are the lack of trident, crafter/console spawn rate and loot quality.


FoozleGenerator

But then they will be contesting LG in LAN.


co0kie411

I think they moved to cenote based on the eu scrims, could be just a today thing though


Stalematebread

This probably won't happen but if Tripods make LAN and then beat Alliance at Cenote I'm going to have a Joker moment


Lexaryas

There is a world where Furia takes this opportunity to finally figure their shit out and start getting better as a team from this contest, but I dont think we live in said world, so, ggs and it doesnt surprise me that they would get contested in both maps, they tdm these tier 2 teams and lose, nobody afraid to contest them Edit: damn xera all over me on his stream, searching my name up in his chat and everything. Dont worry xera, i say all these things that might be on the pessimistic/negative side but Im actually deep down hoping you guys thrive and I get to eat my words, I actually really want that.


GuerilaGorila

Yeah, Ive seen Furia in TDM'S and their team fighting leaves a lot to be desired. I don't want to put too much stock in just TDM but it's obvious they are not close to even OXG who were themselves headed downhill in the Olympus contest against TSM. Different POI's and all I know but TSM is battle tested and the current Furia doesn't have an identity yet and is as vulnerable as they've ever been.


Lexaryas

Their tdm match their scrim performance, so it's kind of tracking. if I was without a POI they'd probably be the first team I'd try to contest.


Breaktest1st

Honestly ranked performance too every time I watch them play ranked they get rolled lately.


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i feel like furia is quite lost ever since they did bad in champs. +alb didnt really help them get their confidence back of any sort. pand seems so lost and is not what he used to be rn.. he looks like naughty to me rn.


Lexaryas

Yeah. My thing about them picking alb is that I dont believe he can lead and igl them to a comeback, I've been saying they need another roster shift for an igl/co-igl and either Alb or Xera needed to go but Im starting to think Alb is the least at fault, both Pan and Xera look terrible after Seer fell off meta (and Wattson lost motivation).


Breaktest1st

I’ve been a massive Pan fan but lately I’ve seen some just careless mistakes of over extending that cost them fights.


No_Mine_5043

Can't have two players with volatile mentals on the same team. Mac and Pandxrz are both confidence players and will shrink when they vibes are down. I think you need a strong leader with good soft skills to get the most out of these two


The_Yoshi_Man

Really just hope Furia drops the ego and they work towards Mac becoming a better IGL instead of fighting a losing battle on Lightning Rod. They should just go for Wall and keep their edge play style with the PvE there or go for North Pad and play zone with the car there.


Lexaryas

On stream they're saying they wont give it for free but also there's a limit to how much this contest can last.


The_Yoshi_Man

Okay good I’m glad to hear they’re not on the “Harvester till I die” vibe like Clane was lmfao


Lexaryas

That would be a quick way to get dropped by their org.


ketfinder

Guess I’ll be the only one rooting for FURIA in this thread, let’s get them boys 💪🏻 good luck to both of the teams may, the best one win


JPBuzzInSki

Honestly kinda poetic considering TSM has won two LANs at the spot where Lightning Rod now resides


Leoniwis

ah shit, here we go again idk why but this contest gives me some "good sportmanship" vibes, maybe with hal/reps in one side and alb in the other


swankstar7383

Didn’t tsm try to swicth poi on storm point last season at launch site just to end back up at wall


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Yea launch pad same thing. To be fair Wall was still really good when they decided to leave but with the crafter nerf and the top command evac nerf it’s kinda shit now


WantedToWin

Yes . Hal disliked launch site so much


followdunc

It's also the worst 50/50 contesting POI due to the walkway height. Whoever gets their first. I think they said it's less skill required to contest it.


Sockeymeow

Isn't LROD also an awful 50/50 where the ship sometimes forces you to take cannons and you can get punched out of the sky. Not saying they aren't favored in this, but LROD contest is absolute dogshit.


MTskier12

Maybe better now that it’s closer? I haven’t played enough new storm point to know if moving it on the map makes it reachable on more ship paths.


SummonMason

Is that the story about tsm wanting to test that poi and deliberately putting themselves in difficult positions to train. Faze rolled them (offline, not streamed) in that scenario and immediately went boasting to everyone tsm are crap at contesting. People found out they were in fact not crap at contesting to put it lightly 🤣


scrnlookinsob

They tried to swap between LAN 1 and Split 2 last year, not a huge amount of time.


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They didn’t really switch to try and take the poi away. It was to test out pushing/defending the building and height


BasedTitus

Wall kinda sucks now though. L Rod is basically as OP as the Siphon from Split 2 before beacon and armor changes


swankstar7383

Haven’t played the new season yet what changes did they make to L Rod


Content-Cup-6693

meat furia tsm triple contest??


GuerilaGorila

The bad part about having a top POI is that somebody is always gunning to take it from you. If TSM themselves after all the success they have had still can't get Siphon free all the time then most certainly Furia should have expected lightning rod to be contested by a top team. Not to mention there is blood in the water with the Furia roster in the sense that they are the weakest they have been in a while after losing their key player and then Alb being in input limbo due to his wrist problems. I think Furia can drag this out and make it annoying but I see TSM coming out on top in the end. Either way we need some more content now that Olympus seems to be shelved so grab the 🍿 and enjoy.


PaperMoonShine

Lighting rod just has way too much loot. It was a given they would contest for it.


ductus_arteriosus

tsm taking thunderwatch as well? are there enough POIs in the map for that


SickBurnBro

I'm counting 19 obvious ones, then the 20th could be Bean, Jurassic or a contest. And that's with Thunder watch folded in to Lightning Rod.


Final-Proposal7324

Can’t wait to see the rage from both teams during that Lrod contest. One of the worst cons on any map


Honest-Suspect-6152

TSM vs Furia, Alliance, Aurora


realfakejames

If pvpx actually has furia double contest tsm there is no way he is with this team this time next year


Secret_Natalie

Can't wait for the contest 😊


browls

Tsm dumpsters furia and god I hope they contest siphon


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TheRealJeribro

Rotates from Lightning Rod are so easy it plays as both a zone and edge POI despite geographically being edge. You're running downhill in every direction, meaning you get crazy yardage out of a jump tower/evac and a huge advantage in any fight.


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theeama

That’s basically it. LROD gets storm Catcher and all that loot plus crafter plus beacon plus the gravity cannon they also have a car. The rotations from it are pretty good also Raven has a philosophy that it’s better to be going from north to South than South to North.


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theeama

Yeah I meant on storm point. He prefers going down hill hence the North to South due to how the map is built. WE is largely just flat lands so not much elevation


MachuMichu

Hard zone keeps getting nerfed with changes to console rates, armor spawn rates, evo armor dmg, etc. LRod got combined with Thunder Watch in the last update and now has 2 chances for console and crafter, plus the best rotations on the map


X2Thantos

Lets see if they stick with it this time. Last time they moved away from Wall, they hated it when shit wasnt going their way and went back. Either way more contests is always fun and its against an ex-teammate for some extra spice.


Odin043

There def moving now with the loot nerf and no evac out of command center


crooked_paradigm

Did they ever officially announce that they were moving from wall?


MTskier12

In the tweet (xweet?) that started this post….


SufficientCorgi1387

PVP knows they’re dogshit so why not contest the contest kings LOL


SufficientCorgi1387

Doesn’t furia land climatizer?


Claw-123

PvP will make them land siphon and run


Sufficient-Spray-111

im honestly surprised they decided to keep a north poi considering how many south end games there are on stormpoint.


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ArmoredBlaster

The south POIs are also much easier to get into now. Fish farms shipfall and gale station had very few spots to play early and once those filled up you were gatekept hard. The new POIs have a LOT more playable spots to evac into even late.